Having An E-fit Over Madeleine McCann
MADELEINE McCann in missing in Portugal.
Madeline McCann’s mother is appealing for help.
“Her face is frozen with grief and fear. She smells her Madeleine’s favourite cuddly toy. And never out of her grasp is a mobile phone which she wills to ring. The wait never ends.”
So says the Mirror’s Sue Carroll on the Mirror’s front page.
“Maddy’s mother shows the strain,” says the Mail. The Sun offers hope in “MADDIE COPS HAVE E-FIT”. And more headlines inside:
“SCRUFFY WEIRDO HUNTED OVER BRIT TOT”
“PROWLER SPOTTED BEFORE MADDIE TAKEN”
“Brit police send two paedo hunters”
The investigation is ongoing. But the Sun says Portuguese police refuse to show the E-fit image of the wanted man because it breaks the law. It’s an “E-fit farce”.
Only it doesn’t seem to be. Reading on we learn that Portuguese police have shown the image in Praia da Luz, the area near to where Madeleine went missing.
The Sun’s farce is the police’s decision not to let it see the picture and broadcast it back to readers many miles removed from the crime scene.
And the Sun is not alone in its criticism of Portuguese law. In “TEN BLUNDERS”, the Mirror lists the errors. It includes the decision not to show it this E-fit picture of the wanted man. Portuguese police have only shown it to locals, to those people who might have seen the man and seen what he did.
But concerned of Leicester wants to see, so too Bianca of Waltham Forest and Gwen of Plymouth. They want to see the face of the devil. They want to know.
And here comes Dep Supt Alan Ladley, the man who caught Sarah Payne’s killer, Roy Whiting. Ladley says that “basic coppering” might have found Madeleine’s abductor by now.
Like Madeleine, Sarah went missing on a family holiday. Sarah was found dead.
Madeline McCann is missing and we are led to believe it would have been better for mum and dad and Madeleine McCann had she been taken in Britain, preferably on Ladley’s patch. But not in Soham. Not there.
But whatever the paedo panic, instances remain rare, all the more so when a stranger is involved, as appears to be the case with Madeleine McCann.
The story features what the tabloids call “every parent’s worst nightmare”.
But this is an awful reality for Madeline McCann and Madeline McCann’s parents…
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May 18th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
i hope maddie gets home safe and sound at my club we prayed for her please return maddie
May 17th, 2007 at 12:19 am
I have to dissagree w/ “Mother 1″ post.Tots are too young to be left alone under any circumstance. Forget predators, tots are very curious, wander and you can have trajedy with a simple bucket of water.There is NO EXCUSE to leave a child alone who doesnt have the mental capacity to identify and deal with danger no matter how often you check on them. Just because a child isnt abducted doesnt mean he or she hasnt been or cant be asaulted when a parent isnt around. Parents should stop being so naive. Do they really think predators hang out at Bingo halls with the elderly? THEY ARE WHERE KIDS ARE. Id hate to know how many are at Disneyland on any given day… The McCanns were negligent and its not looking good for Maddie, bless her heart. Murrat and his encrypted computer. Wonder what he`s hidding.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
There are many comments on here that I feel seem to be pointing the fingers of blame but at the wrong people.
Yes, Madeleins parents were a short distance away enjoying themselves. But they left their 3 children in a LOCKED apartment, they were only a short distance away and were regularly checking on them - although I would never leave my daughter alone, I do believe Maddies parents did nothing wrong or at least did not put their children in danger. Their apartment was broken into by a predator who obviously wanted Madeleine. This could happen to anyone - anywhere. I’ve heard reports in England of children being taken from their beds in their own homes. Does this mean that their parents must have been negligent for putting them to bed???. The fact is - if a peadophile wants to snatch a child, they don’t seem to be too fussy on wether the parent is around or not.
The Police on both sides seem to be working extremely hard, and if it wasn’t for the media - Maddies face wouldn’t be in the public eye and none of us would know she was missing and wouldn’t even be writing these blogs and more to the point, probably wouldn’t have any appreciation of how larger a problem child abduction in Europe is!!. One point which has my FULL support is that the British Government and the EU should do more to ensure that this does not happen again. There should be some sort of ‘AMBERS Law’ for Europe. My daughter is 2 years old - It tears me apart inside when I watch her sleeping to think that someone would want to hurt her. We’ve had 3 family holidays so far and another one coming up in July - we should be able to go on a holiday and actually relax….. without my husband and I having to constantly stand guard and remind our daughter about stranger danger. Peadophiles should have no human rights, no ‘get out of jail free’ cards. In fact, throw them into a room full of us mothers, becasue I can tell you now - we would sort them out!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Being Portuguese, I can understand Paulo`s attitude towards the English media but their behavior is nothing new. Their false sense of superiorty has been going on for years, going so far as refering to Jose Mourinho as a coach from the third world, when he was hired by Chelsea FC.How this elitist mentality is supposed to help either country is beyond me.The portuguese really revere children and I dont know anyone who hasnt been touched by Maddie`s dissapearance.We all want her found.But the Portuguese have not and will not, let her down. Wish I could say the same about her parents.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
I hope and pray to god that this little girl will be found.if i ever found the person that did this i would ensure thay die a slow and painfull death.
i think the parents need to be stopped from being put to blame, yes thay left the children alone but to any1 who blames them…have u ever made a mistake.if you can put ur hand up n say you havnt i suggest it is then any only then u may start to critisize.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Maddie must be brought home to her parents NO matter what the circumstances are. Yes there are people out there going missing everyday, but the reaction and ways in which english and british people have been brought up as very protective people around family and friends, which is very true. It is a very rare case in the UK for a child to go missing i.e. abroad or in the UK itself …maybe once or twice a year
The sympathy/coverage/treatment/cash rewards are because she is a sweet little girl and the family need funds to keep the investigation going, did you actually watch the news on gmtv this morning?
over a million pound has been put into the investigation just to find this child because they will not help find her if there is no money involved…..
why are they not doing their job properly?
surely someone must have seen her by now, they cant exactly keep her in a room for this long or in a house? they must of taken her out somewhere or people have suspisions about somebody..
she cant just dissappear off the face of the earth.
So that sick foul pedo who has taken poor maddie needs either sterilised or there d*** chopped off no matter what they have done.
I bet even if something has happened to poor maddie I BET if the person who gets caught will get about 2 ASBO’s and around 8 years in prison + half off time for good behaviour. there is no question about that what so ever, because it is true.
The “top investigators” are not on the frigging case trying to find her
If they were the “best they have” why have they not found her?
they are obviously NOT GOOD ENOUGH! are they?
they aint releasig any information….? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONE!
this poor girl and poor parents are going through so much so why cant their family just be reunited?
is that so much to ask?
Whoever that sick arsehole out there who has taken maddie is better give her back soon safe and sound, ever looked at the pictures of her parents before and after?
that poor Kate McCann and Jerry are going through so much giving up all their time and effort going into the search for their daughter its unbelievable, yes anyone would do it….but why this family?
AND FOR GOD’s SAKE ON HER BIRTHDAY!
why not just let them be happy as a family on her birthday?
thats the last thing they need!
they want to watch their oldest child grow up to be a sweet loving girl as the family have said about her and this happens?
why can it not happen to people who deserve it? not a innocent family like the McCanns!
im going on now but Bring Madeleine home.
Its the talk of the country and i watch the news every morning and hope for her safe return as she is a lovely toddler which does not deserve anything like this.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
I’m very skeptical whether an overweight black girl from a working class background would get nearly the same amount of round-the-clock-coverage/sympathy/treatment/cash rewards.thousands of people including children go missing each year,why this constant Big Brother style up-to-the-minute coverage focus for this one child? Don’t get me wrong i genuinely wish her well,and feel for her parents but the massive media coverage is if anything making me more unsympathetic.if you cant get where im coming from,see this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
May 14th, 2007 at 10:27 am
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May 13th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
British media coverage is increasing its racist, biased and distorted coverage of Portuguese police, in what concerns to Madeleine McCann abduction. Most recent contribution to this shameful behaviour has come from Sky News. Today, Sunday, at 12:50, a Sky News journalist, reporting from Algarve, said that the disappearance of Madeleine has started a “new debate about safety of children in Algarve”. The last case of abduction of a foreign child, in Portugal, HAPPENED 17 YEARS AGO !!!!!!!! Sky News remark is a preposterous, false, manipulating and racially charged statement!!! You can check on the “Polícia Judiciária” (our CID) web page of missing persons (http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/htm/pessoas.htm).
There, you’ll find 58 PICTURES OF ALL MISSING PERSOSNS IN PORTUGAL (children, adolescent, adults) DURING THE LAST 15 YEARS (cases still open, from a legal point of view) ONLY EIGTH ARE CHILDREN, ONLY ONE IS AS FOREIGN CHILD (Madeleine McCann). I would appreciate if the News Editor of Sky News, could broadcast similar data about UK, in order to allow viewers to decide, with fairness, if the debate concerning safety of children should be about Portugal or UK? I’ll help with some statistics from “UK Police National Missing Persons Bureau”
(http://www.childrescuealert.com/about/stats.htm ):
1 - “(…) The average number of missing persons reports received each year by the Bureau (…) on the last four years”, for “(…) persons missing for 14 days or longer” is:
a) Under 14 years - Reports received = 378 (male + female)
b) Under 14 years - Reports cancelled = 254 (male + female)
It means that, ON THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF 124 CHILDREN HAVE DISAPEARED, EACH YEAR, IN UK !!!!!!!!
One more detail:
About manpower being put in the search of Madeleine, let me tell you that, according to Polícia Judiciária, they SENT MORE 200 HUNDRED CID OFICCERS IN ALGARVE, within the 48 HOURS FOLLOWING MADELEINE DISAPEARENCE. Polícia JudIciária (our CID) HAS AROUND TWO THOUSAND INVESTIGATORS. It means that 10 PER CENT OF ALL PORTUGUESE CID INVESTIGATORS WERE INVOLVED IN THE SEARCH OF MADELEINE. And I’m not counting the hundreds of police from PSP (our city police) and GNR (our rural police), Maritime Police and SEF (Frontier’s and Customs Police)
Paulo Reis
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May 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
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May 12th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
I hope you find madeleine soon.But i am 12 years old. and i hope you
have a lot of faith finding madeleine she is so pretty and hope you find madeleine.love jenaika
May 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
I can not sleep, thinking about what has happened to Madeleine and the stress on her family. I returned from Fuerteventura two weeks ago and was very distressed at seeing a poster displayed everywhere of a of a young boy who went missing from Gran Canaria. How many children dissapear and do not get the the publicity thoughout Europe.
I agree with the general concencus that these people who perpertrate these evil deeds need to be dispatched
May 12th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW PIG SICK I AM TO HEAR OF THIS DISAPPEARANCE ! IT MAKES ME GO COLD WITH FEAR !MY THOUGHTS REALLY GO OUT TO HER PARENTS !
May 12th, 2007 at 9:46 am
For Jackie…
Your comments are fair and logical. I have never left my child alone while I “popped out” and I never will because it’s my job as a parent not to. And yes, it’s devastatingly sad to think that this was a completely preventable crime.
However, and as I mentioned in a previous blog above, this has not become a question of who is to blame and which country is better at all, although yes there are elements in the media and members of the public who seem to have pointlessly embraced the blame game. Many of the comments are just human reactions to the horrifying abduction of a little girl and the foolishness of her parents coupled with reactions to the litany of media articles surrounding it.
I also completely agree with you that people should stop going on about how pretty she is in a way that implies the crime is made worse by this very fact. It’s certainly somewhat deranged. All children are equally precious regardless of aesthetic appeal, coloring, racial origin etc. Which leads me to a question I’d like to put out there…Do any of you think that the reaction to Maddie’s abduction would have been the same if she was an English child of black, Middle Eastern or Asian origin??
May 12th, 2007 at 9:42 am
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May 12th, 2007 at 9:10 am
FIRST OFF… lets get something straight.
You’re all looking for someone to blame over this, allow me to point you in the right direction- THE PARENTS.
I’m so surprised more people are not mentioning it, surely it’s what everyone is thinking but afraid to bring up? EVERYONE I have spoke to in real life’s first words upon hearing the news were- where were the parents? Why did they leave such small children ALONE, in a FOREIGN land??!!
This is akin to leaving a baby in a bath and that baby dying. They are probably blaming themselves and they are right to do so. Yes it is harsh, but the simple fact is children this young should NEVER be left alone, let alone in these circumstances.
Before you all start suggesting every paedophile in the land and talking about new laws perhaps you should consider the simple matter of good- nay- DECENT parenting, responsibility, and COMMON SENSE.
For all we know, and it was considered at first.. the little girl could have woke up in the night and wandered out looking for her parents
PLUS, all you people need to stop mentioning how pretty etc she is. It’s really irrelevant, and she is no more deserving of attention or sympathy due to her “prettyness”
There are plenty of people more worthy of sympathy (talking about the parents here, not the unfortunate little girl) and help, those who DO NOT GET THEMSELVES into the trouble. THIS WAS A PREVENTABLE CRIME. Full stop.
The abductor and possibly killer if there is one is CERTAINLY responsible, but they looked for an easy target or took advantage of a situation. I would not be surprised if they were watching their “routine” and went when they knew the parents would be gone and children alone.
Also do not be so quick to jump to conclusions that it was a male paedophile… you’re simply looking for ways to backtrack ..
I told you, how to prevent this was EASY, the parents should have been looking after their children!
I actually think if it was not for the intense sadness of the situation, not to seem cruel, but I believe the parents should be held responsible in some way, perhaps even be charged.
Would it come under some form of NEGLECT??
Sorry, but you do not leave kids that young on their own, and if my reply seems harsh sorry, but don’t let your sympathy for the family/girl (or anger at the criminal) get in the way of seeing the facts. Honestly?
It is not Portugal’s fault, it is not the resort’s fault, it’s not the police’s fault.. there ARE bad people in the world, that can’t be helped, but this WAS preventable. All we can do now is wait and see.
May 12th, 2007 at 8:01 am
For Millie
Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying and yes I completely agree with you that pedophiles should not be able to move from country to country and yes they should have their every move monitored. As a new mum myself Maddie’s abduction has got me so angry that maybe I am being overly sensitive about things. I feel physically ill at the thought of anyone ever taking or unduly touching my little one.
It’s frighteningly disheartening to know that these beasts who prey on children are able to travel freely and when they are caught they receive such pathetic jail sentences.
All my life I have rallied against the death sentence, now I am not so sure of my own convictions anymore. Anyone who abuses children for short lived physical and mental gratification relinquishes their right to participate in regular society ever again.
Maybe the authorities in countries where there are known pedophile hot spots should issue travel warnings against traveling to these areas with children so that at least parents know the risks.
Again Millie, my apologies.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Something is seriously wrong with our society, child after child and still nothing changes. We’re quick to blame the parents, but shouldn’t we be able to leave our kids in their own beds without a disgusting excuse for a man coming along and snatching them? Shouldn’t they be allowed to play out in the fields without being snatched. No, because they’re not safe in the local super-market, out in the open or in their beds on holiday. The evil filth we allow to live next to us don’t care, they have the protection not innocent little kids.. why arn’t these sickos castrated?
May 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
This is a messge for Sonia:
I think you completely missed my point when I said that I was shocked that the Algarve is considered a paedophile haven. I am fully aware that the UK has a paedophile problem, as has every country in the world. We are all in agreement with this. My point is that by not having a sex offenders list and not even attempting to monitor the movements of known sex offenders any country will become a hotspot for any paedophile to go to. This has been highlighted by this case as many UK paedophiles as well as other European paedophiles consider Portugal a place that they can go to because it doesn’t have any such law or policy. You are taking this personally as if I am trying to say that the UK does not have a problem which is not at all what I have said. My point was that every country needs to read from the same page and that is that paedophiles should not be able to move from country to country and the only way of discouraging them from doing that is by having a sex offenders register and monitoring their movements as much as possible. That is why the Uk was able to produce details of all its offenders that had travelled to Portugal within the last month.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Yes, everyone who berates the parents for leaving the children while they dined have a point; but so too do those who enjoy some time-out away from their children. In an ideal world, it should be ok, but the world is far from ideal. So the problem is, time-out but at what cost? No-one could have foreseen this happening- it’s why we’re all reeling with the shock.
According to the press, the baby-sitting service had to be booked in advance (before arrival at the resort) and the listening service was stopped by the resort managers, but guests were not told of this until their arrival. (yet no-one points the finger for what’s happened at the resort for withdrawing the service!) Let’s put it in perspective- a family holiday where the parents pay the extra money to stay in a resort that provides additional services to give them some time-out with peace-of-mind. They arrive to find that the service has been withdrawn. Is it such a big step to go from a lsitening service to checking on the kids every half an hour? But does a listening service really provide any sort of security? Even with the service, if someone were to get into the apartment, couldn’t they stealthily lift a child if armed with some chloroform or some such thing to stop the child from crying? Who would be any the wiser? Don’t you think that this sicko would have taken the child anyway?
A recent TV interview with a convicted paedophile asked whether there was anything we could do to protect our children from the likes of him. He said that short of chaining the child to the mother there wasn’t, paused for a moment’s thought and then said,”No- I’d take them both.” I think that chilling statement puts it in perspective.
It’s human nature to want to blame someone, but this is no-one’s fault other than the perpetrator. This wasn’t a random event. They were watching that resort, watching that family, and waiting for an opportunity to make their move. I’ll bet they’d have made a move whenever they could, and if they didn’t get a chance at Maddie, they’d have gone for their second or third choice some time thereafter. If they were determined to take a child, it was going to happen. To whom or when - those are the only variables.
Please- let’s stop pointing fingers -at the parents or the police force, or whoever- and start pulling together to get this beautiful, precious little girl back to her parents. There’s a phenomenon sweeping the States at the moment called “the Secret”. It’s been the focus of Oprah, Larry King etc, and basically it teaches us that we can have anything that we want if we follow some simple steps- visualisation for example. How about instead of using it to meet the usual self-centred requirements we use it to a greater good, and start focusing our minds and hearts on a positive outcome to this situation- little Maddie being returned safe and well to her parents. It feels like there’s so little we can do, but we won’t know what effect it can have until we try it. Casting blame never helped anyone or any situation.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
This story is the biggest in the news in 2007! Its sickening, how can anyone in the world want to hurt such a cute and innocent little child it makes me sick! I can’t begin to imagin the grief her family are going through just wondering where there little girl is and whats being done to her, the poor little thing, shes only 3 years old she will be missing her mummy and daddy so much its her birthday on Saturday 11th May and shes been gone 8 days up to now its unbearable to think what that poor little girl is going through and im shocked that they havent found her yet!
I really do hope she is found and alive.
I hope everyone around the world is preying for poor little Maddie!
May 11th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Anorak i`m sorry how i said that i just feel too irritated about this all situation,there are sex offenders everywhere unfortunately,and you are right finger pointing is no good,i just want to see this little girl found,i`m a mother too and i cant even imagine how horrific this must be for the parents,i hope they catch this evil people only if i could lay my hands on them i would do some
irreversible damage to them i hate the fact that sex offenders can be aloud to be anywhere and we dont even know when they are watching our kids.Once again ,sorry for saying that i know i was wrong.
May 11th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
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May 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Fatima - your people? What child sex offenders are a British illness? Point-scoring and finger-pointing - no good to anyone…
May 11th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
# Gord Tryon Says:
May 9th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Ten Blunders? The parents made the first blunder when they chose to vacation in such a backward country?Well look witch nationality the mosters are?They are British so dont blame Portugal for this.Its your people that did such thing.
May 11th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Sorry to burst the proverbial bubble- i work with sex offenders -its my job, i am trained to deal with only them…
i have had sex offenders that have lost their testicles through medical issues- then have gone on to offend…
cutting their balls off is a nice idea i guess, but it dont work… the most important sexual organ is the brain… thats the thing we need to sort…
i agree re legislation- sex offenders should not be allowed to travel abroad - period.
it would not stop them offending in their own country of course…
no offence- we dont have the death penalty for murder or treason, so for ind. assault? its fantasy… locked up forver? wont happen… they dont keep murders in prison for more than a few years…
i dont like it - i have 4-kids…
May 11th, 2007 at 11:13 am
my hearts do go out to the parents of maddy , and yes it is easy to blame the parents but they will have the rest of their lives to live with the fact it was there decision to leave the children ,the other coupes with them were there children also left alone ? however it is about time legislation was changed so that people like these that prowl on our children are dealt with appropriatly and not allowed to fleet from one country to the next. i personally think they should be castrated and locked up for our little ones safety . we can all pray for her safe return and hope she has not been harmed .
May 11th, 2007 at 10:18 am
Totally agree with what Simon says. I regularly holiday abroad in a child freindly safe environment (supposedly) and would NEVER leave the children for one moment. That is why tour firms offer granny places after all. I do bring the childrens grandmother as well so there is always at least one and usually 3 adults watching them. You cannot trust anybody.
I am appalled that Lee regularly does this and it never fails to amaze me each year that my children are befriended by unsupervised children. Is this a purely English phenomena? For the last 4 years running I have had concerns about childern being left to their own devices in the complex we have been staying in. On one ocassion a young girl was left sitting by the pool alone until after midnight when her boozed up mother and friends returned still clutching drinks.
I am sorry if I seem heartless or self righteous but I firmly believe that children are the parents responsibility, at least until they reach maturity and even beyond that. A small child in a foreign country or at home is defenceless and parents should NEVER forget that. I would never put my stomach before my childrens safety, never. If they cannot rely om me to safekeep them then what can they rely on?
I pray to God that the agony for the McCann family comes to an end soon, Madeleine is a truly gorgeous little girl. If nothing else perhaps this sad story will prevent other children being placed in the same situation in the future.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:48 am
Im sorry but if you take kids on holiday then you stay with and look after them.
I took my ex partner and her three kids on holiday last summer and it never ever crossed our minds to leave them unattended for any second of any day….we did not go out on the piss or for a meal at any time because we had the children with us.
If i wanted a holiday where i could take the missus out for nice quiet meals then i would have arranged for the kids to stay with their father or grand parents.
I chose to take the kids with me so i stayed in every night with them.
Simple fucking choice, you have kids they are a responsibility, going down the road, round the corner or out of sight checking on them every 30 minutes is not acceptable.
Any parents here, would you be happy thinking your child awoke in a strange uncomfortable enviroment and cried for 30 minutes looking for comfort while you were out on the piss/having a meal.
Sorry, they left their kids unattended, anything could have happened, they were not there because THEY chose to go and have a meal…..they could have cooked a meal and eaten it in the apartment but THEY chose to go out.
I dont suggest for a minute they deserve what happened to them, but when the whole situation is brought to a conclusion then they have a huge amount of blame to face.
When you have children you accept a responsibility, one that means that you no longer can chose to do whatever you want, when you want. The requirements of the offspring should always come before your own.
May 11th, 2007 at 8:13 am
as to lee’s comments… ‘What Maddie’s parents did, was what we would have done’
i wouldnt mention that to social services if i were you, as you might be eating a lot more ‘child free’ meals in future.
children are not accessories to be discarded when they are inconvient…
i fret when i leave the boys in my locked car whilst i go to pay for fuel…