Madeleine McCann: Watching The Parents
MORE no news on the Madeleine McCann case.
It is now a week since the three-year-old girl was snatched from a Portugal holiday resort.
The story has been distressing to watch on our TV screens. What it must like for the parents of Madeleine only a few can know.
BLAME
But their misery is far from complete. With no news of Madeleine, and the Portuguese police having no need to indulge the British tabloids with speculation and theory, Madeleine’s parents are the central characters.
And today’s front-page news, as reported by the caring Mirror, is: “THEY KNOW LEAVING KIDS WAS WRONG.”
Does the Mirror mean to say that Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry, now think they did the wrong thing in nipping out for a bite to eat and leaving the children in the apartment on what they thought was a secure resort?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns know that popping back regularly to look at their children and checking on their well being was less than perfect?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns realise they should not have left their children alone, just like it is wrong to leave a child in a hotel under the auspices of a baby monitoring service, to leave a child in the car while mum goes to pay for petrol, to talk to a neighbour over a garden fence while the children are indoors?
Of course this is not the Mirror’s view. Oh, no. This is Madeleine’s grandmother, Susan Healy, saying: “They know this was a mistake. But it wasn’t child neglect, it wasn’t not caring for your children.”
That she feels the need to say this is wrong. That the Mirror can lead with Madeleine’s grief-worn parents is pathetic and misguided. That the paper can talk of “people are asking why they didn’t make use of the crèche” at the resort or take the children out to dinner with them is wrong.
But the Mirror has news to write. And the police aren’t playing the game.
THEORIES
So the Mirror produces: “THE 6 THEORIES.”
Only six! Why this cautious approach? But it is all the Mirror has. And readers hear of the “PAEDOPHILE GANG”, the “LONE PAEDOPHILE”, the “JEALOUS MOTHER”, Madeleine wandering off and “DROWNED”, the “OPPORTUNIST PAEDOPHILE”, the “CHILDLESS COUPLE”.
But the Sun has more. It has 130 more. As the front-page headline screams: “MADDIE COPS HUNT 130 BRIT PAEDOS.”
The paper says “at least” 130 British paedophiles “might” have taken Madeleine McCann.
In “ALGARVE IS ‘HAVEN’ FOR PERVS”, readers learn that Portugal is a “magnet for sun-seeking perverts from Britain and the rest of Europe”.
Who knew that perverts get off on watching children at the beach?
Us And Them
But help is on its way. The Sun lists the British coppers who will go out there and see to it that justice is done. We, says the paper, are the only country with a sex offenders’ register.
All convicted perverts must inform the police of their desire to go abroad. At least 130 have. And the police are looking for them.
But – and whisper this – might it be that convicted sexual deviants don’t all tell the police what they plan to do? They are not monitored while overseas. And might it be that not all sexual predators are caught and make it to the list?
Among the policemans’ names is Detective Superintendent Graham Hill, attached to theChild Exploitation and Protection Centre. Hill is on the case. He has flown to Portugal.
Hill worked on the case of Milly Dowler. She was snatched from near Walton railway station, Surrey, in 2002. Her body was found six months later. Her killer or killers have never been caught.
Perhaps Hill’s experiences can help. Perhaps he’ll have more luck. Perhaps not.
Meanwhile, a family is distraught, and bearing up incredibly well under the strain and the merciless gaze of the newspapers…
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September 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
So let me get this straight. They sedate the child and she accidentally dies - somewhere between 6.30 - 8.00 pm probably. The earlier the better really, in terms of a cover-up, one gathers. An incredible set of circumstances then combines to conceal this crime / misadventure. The friends instantly agree to cooperate without thought for their own families and careers and concoct an alibi for the McCanns. Someone called Murat who may/ may not have had geographical links to a McCann friend in the UK, ditches his livelihood and reputation to find some sailor with a yacht in order to transport the body in a bag, weighted down with stones, out to sea where she will never be found. Murat also involves his elderly mother, and a friend called Serge in the conspiracy, as revealed by (what?) emails etc.
Or alternatively, she is buried and/or stashed somewhere for 25 days by her parents, and nobody notices the smell, possibly because she is in the Church or buried in roadworks. So, how is she retrieved? She is then transported using the Renault Scenic, leaving behind trace evidence or more (but no odour), to be belatedly found (25 days later) by the PJ with British spaniels, yet nobody knows what happened before or then. PJ decide a prosecution is possible based on evidence explored by a UK lab - which never itself collected the evidence reliably in the first place. UK experts confess extreme doubts about forensic evidence. PJ changes its mind re culpability of the parents. Meanwhile, highly religious Kate apparently confessed to a priest, but still went off to see the Pope, and meekly agrees with Gerry to set up red-herring website, tour the world etc. Gerry, meantime, controls Kate absolutely, and thinks that the best way to protect Kate, the twins, and their careers, is to ’search’ for an abducted child they know is dead … because they were responsible.
PJ say it’s down to a confession becuse the forensics are not trial-proof.
Well, I suppose it is JUST about possible. And I’ve not included half of the ‘evidence’ in this brief resume. However, the problem is that most of the ‘evidence’ does not relate to the rest of it. I’m not terribly keen on the McCanns myself - because they left their children unattended - but I have to say, this is getting beyond ridiculous.
PJ say they need a confession now. Some hope! Gerry is tougher than that, and he may well need to be. And no, I don’t have any connection with them.
It’d be easier for all of us if they suddenly threw their hands up and said, yes, we were responsible, and we’ll take the rap. But even if they are guilty, they won’t. And if they are innocent, why would they, with all this agony?
All this has been reported today.
September 15th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
The thing that gets me is how they simply gloss over that fact that they left two TWO year olds and one THREE year old alone in an apartment with the doors left open and went to eat at a restaurant not in an Hotel, not even in a gated complex but in the street!
And I am stunned at the number of people on this site that say we’ve all done it at times !?!
Have these people LOST THEIR MINDS !!!!
Anything could have happened to these children through a simple accident, to a fire, one of them being sick and choking on their own vomit, even before you consider something more extreme.
PARENTS do not leave children of this age on their own FULL STOP.
As a parent of three children myself one of whom is a three year old I know that you have to watch them at all times in case they swallow something, have an accident, or are put at risk in some other way.
Talking of the overdose theory four points occur to me.
1) Before doctors sedate or anaesthetise there is a period before this that you mustn’t eat or drink anything because there is a big risk of the recipient being sick.
2) How likely is it that these children who we’re told were routinely put to bed at six O’clock (while on their holidays can you imagine) were prevented from eating any snacks for several hours beforehand?
3) Could having sedatives night after night have had a cumulative effect?
4) Is it possible that, if the medication was purchased locally, instructions written in Portuguese might have been misread or misunderstood?
September 15th, 2007 at 9:47 am
I do not think they seem to be very nice. They look arrogant yet low class too and to be honest, they posess quite wicked faces. They leave 3 kids unattended alone to party. Not very nice people according to my standards…
Despite my face analysis prejudice, this does not mean they are guilty.
However, there is a mountain of evidence forming against them. Do not get emotional about them persisting. Portoguese police is doing their job..they just have a different style.
The truth will come out. Rest assure, the Portoguse would not push them unless ther was a reason. Data so far leaking from UK press indicates 99% they have somehing to do with it. Further, the police always knows more than what is indicated via the media….
September 15th, 2007 at 9:16 am
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September 15th, 2007 at 8:20 am
yrreg innocent 4eva
GOOD one!!
September 15th, 2007 at 8:14 am
Leave the McCanns alone.
They are 2 of the nicest people who wouldnt hurt a fly. They have lost their beautiful daughter and all you people can do is suggest they had something to do with it. Shame on you.
Me and Kate are now going for a walk to clear our heads…….
….oops.
September 15th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Well how about the possibility of alien abduction?
Madeline has either
a. Woken up and walked out the door only to fall in to a hole then get covered up.
b. Been abducted by someone who was clever enough to wipe a load of bodily fluid around the place and save a bit to wipe around the boot of the McCanns car several weeks later.
or
c. The parents in some way accidentally killed her and disposed of the body prior to phoning the police.
While there is no evidence to suggest a or b there is a mountain of evidence to suggest that c is the answer. My money is still with the alien abduction though.
September 15th, 2007 at 3:14 am
Hi Bond
i agree with you on all counts.
Yes, she could have fallen down a hole - that was my first thought. Hopefully the police checked BEFORE the road workers filled it in?
I agree that there is some time to go yet before they can get ‘concrete proof’
Kate does state in one of her interviews “I knew someone had been in the room because of the way it was left - and Madeleine would never have done that”
Done what?
Maybe she was referring to cuddle cat on a high shelf - I dont know and Im not going to speculate. - I’ll leave that to the press.
Thanks for your input. Much appreciated
September 15th, 2007 at 1:49 am
Hi,
Catt you are right but for what the media let’s us know everything points to them and Robert Murat since they are the formal suspects in the case.
I would like to point another theory but I also don’t have any clues, abduction seems out of scene because there are no indications other than the disappearance. No footsteps, fingerprints, dnas, there was a sighting of a man, but it seems of zero value, because the witness remembered that a little bit late in the story. That is the only true fact we have. She disappeared. So, all we can do is suppose. Leaving the Mccanns out of scene, these theories can be “she went out of the room and fell down in some hole, pool, water well …………” and not much more, I don’t know, aliens ?!?!
I am affraid we’ll have to wait, be wise and not believe in the things in the media because they might not be true. Surely some things can be true, but as we have to “fish” the things for ourselves, I think information in the media is not consistent. It looks like there are the pro Mccanns and the against Mccanns, the media are only taking profit from that “war” and each side feed their believers with a little bit of information one day, immediately the other side refutes, so, as intelligent people will can only wait.
Because other way we can be convicting innocent people in advance and they are innocent until irrefutable proof appears. Or, the other way, we may be supporting people as innocent and if in the end they are guilty we regret it.
This will last a long time, let’s suppose “irrefutable” proof appears, on one side or the other. Then it will be time to refute proofs, people will start debating what can and what cannot be considered as proof.
Sorry this is so long, makes it hard to read
ThanX
September 15th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Gosh.. busy time on the wires. From what I have read. No-one is interested in a theory. Someone picked up the Porn. mentioned on Murat and Malinka’s sex offence. IF that is not the case - (and like you people,) I get my information from the net many different sites - from employee records to weird stuff… lots of weird stuff out there. - then strike those two things from my ‘theory’ and you still have that - a theory.
Also - I DID NOT SAY that the woman upstairs informed the police. She told the staff at the Ocean Club.
‘But thanks for the input - at least YOU replied’
And… at least I had a theory, like the rest of you, I’m not perfect but I’m willing to put ideas out there which may or may not help.
Where I live the press on Madeleine is made of of many ‘gutter’ channels and the BBC world service.
The ’sensationalism’ and the complete fabrication of things on this case has me wide-eyed. I don’t believe Kate and Gerry harmed Madeleine - other than leaving her alone.
I believe this is the biggest cock up since the Lindy Chamberlain case.
I also look forward to coming back here to say ‘i told you so’
ANYONE have a theory other than the McCanns killing her!
September 15th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Hi,
I have been reading this forum for some time and in many messages DNA is mentioned, following the recent developments in Madeleine Mccann case. It seems to be at the top of the debate, so I thought we can try to understand better how forensic analysis and genetics works. Is is a very simple explanation, you can try at:
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/features/forensics/
ThanX
September 15th, 2007 at 12:22 am
My wife and I can relate to the McCanns on two points.
I am the father of different sex twins born three years after our eldest girl. My wife and i conceived by a form of IVF. Twins now 12 and daughter 15. I havent poured over the details that have been dripping out over the months but have always listened out in the hope of some good news. I have taken more interest since the naming of the McCanns as suspects as this came as wrecking ball to my beliefs in the case.
From the off we both believed that the McCanns had nothing to do with it, never even entered our minds until they had been made suspects.
I hate to be judgemental but ( here I go) given the parallels between us, from an experience whilst on holiday abroad back in 1997 my wife was not comfortable even sitting on the patio whilst the kids had afternoon nap in the room. “what if someone came in from the other door into the apartment, even a maid, innocently.the kids would be spooked” My wife always quoted the Ben Needham case whenever we went abroad especially.
Whilst on holidays at that age and for a good few years to come. We always had the kids with us to eat out, it was part of the holiday, we wanted them with us. They might be flagging in the pushchairs come the end of the night (12ish) but that didnt matter. For safetys sake and to enjoy a family break, we wanted them with us.It just seems a bit early to be putting the kids to bed whilst your away doesnt it ? The kids are on holiday too arent they ?, kiddies discos etc to be had.
So please, let my concerns over the McCanns choice of evening parenting be the only reason for me to be critical of them, people do things differently i keep telling myself. Please let it be the only thing that they have done differentley.
September 14th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Error No 3
Is it really true that Kate McCann contacted her friend in GMTV before contacting the Police?. Wouldn’t they be aware, in light of Kate McCann’s statement
“they have taken her ”
That to subsequently allow their friends to trapse around the apartment and contaminate potential evidence could render any potential investigation “untrustworthy”.
But again, let’s not forget, these are loving parents, who were so desperate for children that they couragesly paid and endured the IVF programme to create the perfect family. And on the night of the abduction they were traumitised, but at least noticed that the local PJ’s inexperince of dealing with child abduction.
Bereft at the notion that their little Madeleine had been taken by either a desperate childless couple or a sick peodophillic ring, the McCann’s took matters in their own hands! and so the campaign began……
“Find Madeline Campaign”
Indoing so! the wheel of spin rolled ………..
September 14th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Sorry but I must have pushed the wrong key and my post is not finished !
September 14th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
I am glad to note that posters have at least, now begun a more logical, less antagonistic line of debate. I have followed the case quite closely since the news broke in May.
From the outset, The McCanns sought to direct major failures aganist the Portugese Police?, why? on May the 4th Madeline’s grandmother was publicly berating the police for failures?. But why ?, If the McCanns’ version of events are accurate, they knowingly left their three young children alone and as a consequence Madeleine was “abducted”.
Error No 1.
If you all recall, they, through their family members (who are allowed to talk) suggested that leaving the children was a one -off !. It later transpired, via media speculation ,that in terms of their own account of events, for a predatory peodophille to have had the opportunity to remove Madeleine, it could be suggested that a pattern of behaviour was clearly evident.
Error
Is it really true that Kate McCann contacted her friend in GMTV before contacting the Police?.
September 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
what the hell
Is Madeleine Hidden in the church grounds?
Under the church?
Under foundations or the road works along the road to the church?
Cut up and flown out of the country due to Gerry not being searched by customs(this wouldnt smell much would it, Derch)?
Or is she thrown into a bag with bricks and dumped out at sea?
These are a few of the things the media have said has happened to her in the last 3 days!!!!
Come on does this not ring as a guessing game from the Media and everyone is playing along with them.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Sorry I got that link wrong. it is:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/14/nmaddy214.xml
September 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Here’s a link posted about 6 hours agohttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=OBIBTXOOLQJQFQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/09/14/nmaddy214.xml
My favourite line is another Gerry classic: “There are large craters in every one of these theories, in these ludicrous accusations.’
“As far as Kate and I are concerned there is no evidence to suggest that Madeleine is dead. We are 100 per cent together on this, not one grain of suspicion about each other.”
September 14th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
New evidence is coming out that seems to incriminate further the McCanns: Traces of sedative are said to be found in Madeleine’s DNA.
If they have not killed her, it looks like they have at least sedated her…
Isn’t that serious enough?
(read the daily mail) Quote: “Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham, sent to Portugal last week, are understood to give “indications” that Madeleine had ingested drugs.”
Would you sedate you child??
September 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Then there’s the convenient “Trial by media” trick let’s not forget!
No doubt Gerry and Co. if (when?) charged will cry “The right to fair trial” as their Human rights abuse scenario, citing they can not have a fair trial anywhere in the World due to all the coverage. That doesn’t take a £x,ooo’s per Year top Q.C. to calculate.
Add that to the allegeded “contaminated evidence” (it’s a sure claim they will make “Reasonable doubt” is the onus of responsibility on a Jury or any Judge not to convict. Which is undoubtedly what they will repeat until you are sick
To use that in the opposing situation I’m in “reasonable doubt” that the McCanns are innocent let’s put it mildly. Lucklily it’s not a benchmark for their conviction. Heresay and opinion rightly isn’t evidence, but the rest of it certainly is. “opinion” can be admitted when it’s given by an “expert” then when it’s widely accepted as being therefore “admissable fact”
I think Gerry’s laptop may reveal goodness knows what. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s posted half the “messages of support” on their own website, and half the supporting quotes in blogs all over. That’s just pure speculation, but wouldn’t surprise me if it was true.
It would be interesting to hear those telephone calls to family and chums… Read the Dairy and what their emails contained, ….No doubt we will find out my patient friends. I think it potentially reveals they are inconsistant, and quite possibly just plain old fashioned guilty liars
September 14th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Well done Andrew for the most readable post in days. A bit light hearted maybe but better than the mile long messages left by the know all women on these pages.
1538 Sandra says ” We love you Madeline”
How on gods earth can you say this. You dont know her. Sorry, but this kind of over exagerated wording bugs me no end.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
yeah i read about that too i didnt find it on any of the news sites though or see it in a paper do you know where it was what paper?
I have made it sound like i think it is all a smear campaign though thats why i have answered you, but i dont i just dont see what is being classed as evidence is crediible thats all.
So many things seem to be so far out or have been said then retracted or proved to be wrong, even the new thing about sleeping tablets one paper says yes it is true then you have other experts saying that the DNA evidence wasnt enough to have got those sort of details from it.
So this is why i am so against what is being put into the papers and on the news, the McCanns have been found guilty before they have had a chance to prove they are not.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Andrew…..Thanks for a good laugh….i think we all need to step back. Whatever happen to poor Madeleine has affected us all. I look forward to reading the news daily to see if there is any REAL news on her disappearance.
Oh and what will poor Gerry do without his laptop to continue his life blog?
September 14th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
A person…sorry i didnt mean YOU said it was a smear campaign…it seems the Mccanns think it is.
The other day i found it very unsettling when the Mccanns said something like find her body…..prove we killed her!! (dont remember the exact quote…sorry)
September 14th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
I wonder if Gerry’s busy formatting his Laptop computer?
“Or ooh-err then I accidentally dropped it onto a super electro-magnetic sledgehammer and accidentally completely erased everything. Silly me. Butterfingers!”
Don’t be silly! It’s obviously perhaps tomorrows News Headline:
“McCanns £650,000 home burgled. Gerry’s laptop, Kate’s diary and Madeleine’s cuddle cat are amongst items stolen”
A family friend reports seeing an unknown generic Man carrying what looked like a pink kid’s toy and something small like a book shape, and maybe a slim white rectangular thing like laptop”
HUNT NOW ON!! Gerry allegedly is quoted as saying “If anyone knows the whereabouts of this Burglar, please give generously to our 3rd fund” called: Leaving no evidence behind.
“The fund will in no way be used to cover our tracks and have more holidays… Um I mean defend ourselves, um I mean to look for our Daughter Madeleine. nearly forgot about her for a minute. No, I mean we will look for her. I mean, we never stop that we do. How that naughty burglar ever got past the barrage of coppers and journo’s is beyond me… it’s a set up I’m telling you all YOU’RE ALL MAD I TELL YOU, ALL OF YOU, YOUR STICHING ME UP YOU LOT I’ve got no comment I say, No comment”
Damn right Gerry, you tell em. I will donate £40 to fund 3. It’s clearly all smears.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Star i am not saying that 2 countrys are trying to smear them what i am saying that over the last few days so many lies have been printed in papers how do these papers get away with this they do it by stating a source leaked it, If the portuguese PJs are leaking information i would be very shocked as they are not allowed to speak about the case. So i am saying that i believe that the things we are reading are all ploys to sell more papers like the media often gets things wrong.
Tommy the reason i mentioned the IRA is because Andrew stated that he would rather support them than the McCanns as the IRA have a Bona fide cause, As i have had friends of mine killed due to the IRA i took this as a joke to thier memories the IRA were terrorist no other word for them. That has nothing to do with Madeleine but i felt that i had to say that as it annoyed me.
Andrew i am a female my real name is Cherry and i am not sitting on any fence other than the truth, if they have killed Madeleine then they deserve what they get but the evidence that is being posted in the papers, has not been proven as crediible. So untill then i believe that they are innocent untill proven guilty.
I called you naieve because you read something in the papers and that was that the McCanns are hung drawn and qaurtered. If i got you wrong then i am sorry but that is how it sounded to me.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Tommygun : not just the McCann family & their supporters, but all those people who have had Murat tried and convicted for months. I wonder how they feel now when it seems only a matter of time before the McCanns are charged and he has his suspect status removed and is exonerated?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
What have the IRA got to do with the price of cheese?
September 14th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
The net is closing in!
There are going to be quite a few members of the Mccann family with egg on their faces!
Gerry’s sister really should think before she speaks in future, she seem to have an awnser for everything!
GUILTY!!
September 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Sorry to everyone that’s going to read this. Yeah ‘a-Person’, I’m so naieve for having my own rational free thinking mind. I’m also so naieve I know nothing of European History or Politics either. I’m so naive I reveal my feeble inarticulate mind on an internet forum. I’m also so naieve I don’t have a name, or an easily recognisable gender either.
It doesn’t take much to work out which side of the fence you’re sitting on. The “easily swayed, emotional, and I’ve probably got some vested interest somehwere even if I can’t work it out, or even admit it myself” side
You want to stand back and read what you just wrote. It doesn’t even make sense to be quite frank. I’m not going into the why’s and wherefores of the Irish struggle as it’s off topic and everyone knows that. You just exposed yourself as a troll if anything. You are entitled to your opinion, which to me at his moment, seems arbitary and irrelevant
My opinions are kept as “general” as possible, It’s types like you that make them “personal” Quit whilst you are ahead. That’s all the advice I can offer you.
May I remind you that the thread is “Watching the Parents”
And not:
“Blindly supporting the McCanns in the face of mounting evdence and have a personal pop at people”