Madeleine McCann: Watching The Parents
MORE no news on the Madeleine McCann case.
It is now a week since the three-year-old girl was snatched from a Portugal holiday resort.
The story has been distressing to watch on our TV screens. What it must like for the parents of Madeleine only a few can know.
BLAME
But their misery is far from complete. With no news of Madeleine, and the Portuguese police having no need to indulge the British tabloids with speculation and theory, Madeleine’s parents are the central characters.
And today’s front-page news, as reported by the caring Mirror, is: “THEY KNOW LEAVING KIDS WAS WRONG.”
Does the Mirror mean to say that Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry, now think they did the wrong thing in nipping out for a bite to eat and leaving the children in the apartment on what they thought was a secure resort?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns know that popping back regularly to look at their children and checking on their well being was less than perfect?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns realise they should not have left their children alone, just like it is wrong to leave a child in a hotel under the auspices of a baby monitoring service, to leave a child in the car while mum goes to pay for petrol, to talk to a neighbour over a garden fence while the children are indoors?
Of course this is not the Mirror’s view. Oh, no. This is Madeleine’s grandmother, Susan Healy, saying: “They know this was a mistake. But it wasn’t child neglect, it wasn’t not caring for your children.”
That she feels the need to say this is wrong. That the Mirror can lead with Madeleine’s grief-worn parents is pathetic and misguided. That the paper can talk of “people are asking why they didn’t make use of the crèche” at the resort or take the children out to dinner with them is wrong.
But the Mirror has news to write. And the police aren’t playing the game.
THEORIES
So the Mirror produces: “THE 6 THEORIES.”
Only six! Why this cautious approach? But it is all the Mirror has. And readers hear of the “PAEDOPHILE GANG”, the “LONE PAEDOPHILE”, the “JEALOUS MOTHER”, Madeleine wandering off and “DROWNED”, the “OPPORTUNIST PAEDOPHILE”, the “CHILDLESS COUPLE”.
But the Sun has more. It has 130 more. As the front-page headline screams: “MADDIE COPS HUNT 130 BRIT PAEDOS.”
The paper says “at least” 130 British paedophiles “might” have taken Madeleine McCann.
In “ALGARVE IS ‘HAVEN’ FOR PERVS”, readers learn that Portugal is a “magnet for sun-seeking perverts from Britain and the rest of Europe”.
Who knew that perverts get off on watching children at the beach?
Us And Them
But help is on its way. The Sun lists the British coppers who will go out there and see to it that justice is done. We, says the paper, are the only country with a sex offenders’ register.
All convicted perverts must inform the police of their desire to go abroad. At least 130 have. And the police are looking for them.
But – and whisper this – might it be that convicted sexual deviants don’t all tell the police what they plan to do? They are not monitored while overseas. And might it be that not all sexual predators are caught and make it to the list?
Among the policemans’ names is Detective Superintendent Graham Hill, attached to theChild Exploitation and Protection Centre. Hill is on the case. He has flown to Portugal.
Hill worked on the case of Milly Dowler. She was snatched from near Walton railway station, Surrey, in 2002. Her body was found six months later. Her killer or killers have never been caught.
Perhaps Hill’s experiences can help. Perhaps he’ll have more luck. Perhaps not.
Meanwhile, a family is distraught, and bearing up incredibly well under the strain and the merciless gaze of the newspapers…
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September 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
McCann Interview Question. About a week or so ago, someone put up an interview of the McCann’s and the comments were about whether the smile that showed up on Kate’s face indicated nerves or something else. K. McCann had been asked the question, the last question of the interview, “If Maddie could hear you, what would you say to her?” Then there was the strange (to me it was really strange) smile, the downcast look, and “I love you….” The interview was given very early on, I think it may have been sky news. Does anyone know where to find it?
September 16th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
eatmyshorts : I may have managed to answer one of the questions in my last post. Rferring back to your link http://findmadeleine.blogspot.com/, there is a sidebar on the left with comments from various people. One of those, calling him/herself “Name” says that the big, bald, dark guy is a police officer. Not sure if this is true but it would be ironic if Kate McCann photographed a man watching her daughter and would be later involved in the search for her . . . .
September 16th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
From the Madeleine website
The Fund would like to thank everyone for their kindness, support and generosity.
Madeleine’s Fund was set up to:
Find Madeleine;
Support the Family; and
Bring the abductor or abductors to justice
**even if it turns out the Mccanns are guilty?
September 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I was just lookin at the pic of the man watching the Mccanns. It says it is Gerry playing with Maddie and the twins…Excuse me, but dont the twins have VERY blonde hair? That other girl does not
September 16th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
should of added this to my last post.
So if there was evidence and now there is not. Does that also mean there was child porn and crimminal records and next week we will find out that there were none? It seems there is no real info in this case. Maybe this week Murat and Malinka will be guilty and next week it will be someone or something else?
As far as that tall dark skinned man…..powder monkey had a point when he said he looks like he is looking toward whoever took the pic, or was he just watching a father playing with his children. Just because he is looking at them and smiling does not make him a child molester or abducter does it? Are we even sure the other pics of a tall dark skinned man are of the same man?
September 16th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
ok…so now the Mccanns are innocent and it’s Murat and Sergey Malinka AGAIN?!?!?! Like i said this case just keeps gettin odder and odder.
Now i guess there was NO evidence in the car at all?
September 16th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
eatmyshorts : if you read and understood my earlier posts you will realise that I am undecided as to the McCanns guilt in the death or disappearance of Madeleiene although I do feel that they are guilty of child neglect/abandonment, and said as much.
As for an earlier post of yours asking what happened to “innocent until proven guilty” I addressed that very issue regarding people, on various forums, who believed Robert Murat guilty from the day his name was first mentioned, and who continue to repeat the unconfirmed reports of child porn etc found on his computer. The same applies to comments about he and Serge Malinka having criminal records.
I would take your comments seriously if they were not peppered with needless insults. Andrew coherently refutes your insult regarding getting out more and I will try to add to that. I am 47 years old, married with a 12 year old daughter and am employed as a Scenes of Crime Officer. I have over 15 years experience of police work. It is that basis I use to offer my views on this disturbing case. As for getting out more, well, I have a number of non work related activities that I enjoy : photography, cinema, general socialising and, more recently, my daughter & I go Brazilian samba drumming. Great for getting rid of the day’s tensions!
I followed your recent links. The man in the photo seems to be looking in the general direction of the photographer but it’s hard to be sure beacuse of the sunglasses. I am unaware of his identity,however, as you obviously are from your posting, perhaps you’d care to enlighten me and what secrets act the Portuguese police are using and why. The other links that you provided are for newspaper articles that you have just regurgitated. All cover topics I have mentioned in my posts : the lack of evidence, the poor quality of the DNA traces reported to have been found, and the incompetence of the Portuguese police.
I remain still not totally convinced of the McCanns culpability should Madeleine be dead but, as I have said before, there seems to be some serious questions for them to answer. I have tried, as best I know, to proffer some possible sequences of events.
It would seem, therefore, that you and I have a number of views in agreement and I would ask you again, please don’t insult people. Put forward counter arguments or theories by all means, but insults will only mean your posts being ignored and any valid points missed.
September 16th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
for the lazy posters out there..
Madeleine McCann Report: Robert Murat Russian Pal Quizzed Over Porn
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By Nancy Streets
May 17, 2007
Madeleine McCann Case update - A computer expert, Sergey Malinka, linked to British suspect Robert Murat was being quizzed last night over missing Madeleine McCann. Police had confirmed they were to question a Russian male who had a ‘close’ business association with Murat. And yesterday morning police cars screeched up outside an apartment block and seven uniformed officers carried out a dramatic raid on the rundown fourth-floor flat owned by Malinka’s parents, Express UK reports.
Madeleine McCann Report: Robert Murat Russian Pal Quizzed Over Porn
That report claims that several links to pedophile websites, encrypted emails and messages were found on three computers removed from Murat’s home during a dramatic police raid on Monday. It was also claimed that video tapes showing depraved sexual acts and bestiality were also found at the Villa Liliana, where Murat lives with his elderly mother Jennifer.
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The UK Daily Mirror reports that Sergey Malinka, 22, helped Murat, 33, set up a website, and Murat made a phone call to Sergey Malinka shortly after Madeleine McCann disappeared, it was claimed last night. Portuguese state TV said they found out about the conversation after checking local phone records.
The investigation appears to have centered on Malinka, whose parents’ apartment is only yards from the church where Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry have prayed for her safe return. Moments after yesterday morning’s raid where police grabbed the Russian for questioning, eight other officers arrived and cordoned off the immediate area. Malinka’s parents refused to comment on what they knew about the operation but did confirm that their son was 22-year-old Sergey.
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Admitting that he helped set up a property website for Murat, 33, he said: “I don’t know what you mean. It’s definitely not me. “I’ve just had my residency papers approved and checks are always made for criminal convictions. I’ve none whatsoever. I did do some work for Robert. He wanted a website created and I got it together for him.”
Tuck Price, a friend of Murat, described Malinka as a “sweet kid” who fixed “everybody’s computers” in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.
He said: “He set up Robert’s website. Why police are searching him I don’t know, but it’s still distressing to Robert. It just points out they’re not looking elsewhere.”
September 16th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=12&num=13425
I would imagine it depends on what exactly the questions were.
If it were on the lines of - have you ever abused your children?…
until the TRUTH comes out we will never know.
The fact that the PJ are now changing their secrecy laws on monday does make one wonder why.
September 16th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
I think more than refused to answer it was couldn’t answer, I believe that one of the questions was how did Madeleine’s DNA get into the hire car?
Well she said she doesn’t know or it couldn’t have been in there and they said she couldn’t answer the question.
From what I have read it seems that the case against the McCann’s was all make believe, and that all of the evidence was not what they stated it was.
I hope that when the McCann’s are cleared that they take out a suit on the police and the media companies that caused them al of this heartbreak during a time they should have been concentrating on finding Madeleine.
I also feel that Joanna’s Mother may be telling the truth about what happened to her due to the way the Portuguese police have acted towards the McCann’s.
September 16th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I read that there are a list of questions that the Mccanns have refused to answer. If they are NOT guilty of anything (other than putting their good time ahead of their children) then why would they refuse to anwer anything?
September 16th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
They published the man and woman and small girl they thought was Maddie in Belguim and these people eventually came forward and proved it was NOT Maddie. They talked about a man returning a rented car with a car seat and NO child…again thought something was odd and eventually this man came forward and stated he had a pregnant wife and a small son. So that was confirmed. I still cant believe that this large dark skinned man is still in question. Like i said before if they really thought he was of interest they would of blown up the writing on his shirt or published more about him to either confirm he was involved or not. I mean in this case they actually have a photo.
I still think poor Maddie is no longer with us. Just a feeling. And it is a shame that a young girl went on Holiday and just vanished. Back to leaving small children alone. I know it has been beat to death but if the Mccanns would of been with their children this would not of happen to begin with. And no i am not saying they deserve it like some have posted. It just seems odd that both Mom and Dad had no problem with leaving them over and over again(until recently?) to go out with friends. Why not take the children with them…it was a FAMILY HOLIDAY…Or go out to eat earlier with the kids and then take the kids to the babysitting service so you can go out for a bit of grown up time? All these services were available. The Mccanns also stated that this would of still happen if they were in the room? How…unless the parents are drugged or something…how could someone come into their room(i would hope they locked the doors when they slept at night) Did they ever say why they left the kids with the door open? And why did Gerry check the kids and say that oh i didnt see Maddie on my check, i figured she was in our bed cause the twins bothered her? I would think a father would take a few extra minutes to go confirm this? Ok…now we are reading about the hair…was it there or was it not? We have no clue. What about the body fluids…if it is true…why would Maddie’s DNA be in the trunk of the rented car her parents had? I dont think the police are doing this to SMEAR the Mccanns and i dont think they have made all of it up. I believe there is some evidence. I do hope Maddie is alive and well…BUT something tells me she is not.
September 16th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
i totally agree with what you say “EMS”
September 16th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
I still believe that Madeleine is ALIVE.
I still believe tha Murat, Big dark guy, Luis Antonia, Michaela W…. and the boat owner who disappeared the night Madeleine was taken are the answer to all the prayers which go out for Madeleine every night.
Murat’s mother put her foot in it by stating ‘I would never lie for my son’ I know he was here. We decided to have an early night.
Nowhere does it mention WHAT TIME SHE WENT TO BED - if, like a lot of older citizens in places like Spain, Cyprus, Italy and Portugal (yes i have been) she probably went to bed around 8 - 8.30… her house is less than 3 minutes to the McCann’s apartment. Murat could have been out of the house and back before his mother had time to miss him. All he would need to do is ‘pop into” her room some time later with an excuse of - would you like a cup of tea?
She hasn’t lied - in her mind her son was at home the whole time.
The relevant authorites were sent this information a few days ago. Now I see that the big dark guy is appearing in the papers. Maybe someone at one of the many newspapers - doesn’t think I’m as crazy as some of the board believe.
The McCanns are guilty of leaving their daughter. Not harming or killing her.
Kate will show her tough, northern roots and fight all the way. And good for her.
Now that she has admitted what she did was wrong, imo she will come out with guns blazing. Exactly as any one of us would do if someone accused of something we know WE HADN’T DONE.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
This is just nuts!!! First we are told they are not allowed to tell us anything about anything. So who told us there was bodily fluids and hair in the trunk, and then that it matched Maddie, and now who is telling us that the hair was on the seats NOT in the trunk and does not match Maddie.
I guess we are not to believe anything about this case until Maddie is found alive or dead. And according to SOMEONE the case could be solved…but they may never find Maddie.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=482007&in_page_id=1811
the highly competent pj looking for Madeleine.
seems to match the highly competent evidence. NOT.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482049&in_page_id=1770
holes beginning to appear in the evidence against the McCann’s.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
prison nurse….
There are some on my google search when asked about the sedatives.
If the police have hair samples from Maddie and checked them for drugs…then they can deny it all they want. The hair samples will tell the truth. I’m not sure of what it would take to be able to test a hair sample from the twins?
I’ll keep looking for that one vid. It was close to the end where they aske Kate to speak to Maddie.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I did do some youtube searching after the last post and did not see the one you mentioned however on the others you would think they would seize the opportunities to plead with their abductors whenever they had that camera lens in their face. I know I would. What better way to pull at someones heartstrings and on international tv. My impression was they don’t like to look into the eye of the interviewer or the lens for too long when Madeleines name comes up. There’s a lot of thanks for those giving support to them. They obviously need it but for what reason??
September 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Prison nurse….if you google the mccanns you will find some vids of them early on. I was trying to find the one of them when Kate was asked to speak to Madeleine as if she was listening…have not found it yet.
Also on the large dark man in the photo…it says something on his shirt…i would guess that someone has blown this up to see what it said by now?
September 16th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
How odd it is that someone was “watching” Madeleine or as the Mccanns tell us “paying her special attention”. How odd also that the Mccanns didnt seem to think it was important enough to report it at the time. NO…they dont say anything until Maddie is missing!!
It seems like that is how it is in alot of the Mccann and friends stories…..they know something is odd, BUT they dont take the time to do anything about it AT THE TIME!!!
September 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Would anyone here be aware of any accessable videos of the Macann’s in the first few days of the apparent abduction either of them making a public appeal for the return of their daughter or of them being interviewed by the press? I’ve only been able to find one video of them interviewed which was just prior to 100 days since madeleine’s disappearance. Curious to see the body language and what they had to say soon after May 3rd.
September 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
http://findmadeleine.blogspot.com/
scroll down and take a look at the big bald dark man in the picture Kate McCann took. He is seen watching Madeleine and her siblings.
How ironic that he is a friend of Murat, LA & MW….. and the police are witholding information on him under the secrets act.
And how ironic would it be if Kate had actually photographed one of Madeleine’s abductors. If there is a God - It’s about time you showed yourself.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Thankyou and well said ‘eatmyshorts’.
I didnt see the error of my ways until you pointed them out. I havent shaved for what seems like days, my white string vest has not been changed this week and I have got ciggie burns on todays copy of the sun. I live on my own in a council bedsit cause my wife left me but at least I get me giro tomorrow…
……or am I a Building surveyor with 3 kids 14, 10 and new born. Do I have a loving home and a wife and children who adore me. Do I have an honors degree and professional qualifications.
I am just off to the lakes with the kids and their friends for a sunday trip out in the Chrysler Grand Voyager. I think that justifies I have some form of life. Hopefully eat my shorts you have a better idea of the people who are making the comments. Not angry, unintelligent morons. I wont criticise you for having a different opinion than mine but please get an opinion. I refuse to make snap judgement based on how you appear because saying you are probably single, living with mum and dad, probably working as Assistant Manager in Toys r us after getting a few minor GCSE’s, that you are angry because you do more work than your Manager and could do his job blindfolded……. would just bring me down to your level.
Your comments have made me realise that I should be a viewer of this thread and not a contributor until such time as some real news breaks.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Far more people kill their children than are abducted and these people almost always will either try to conceal what they have done or will lie about the extent of what they did having played a big part in the death. People have an amazing ability to downplay or deny what they don’t what to admit (many murderers actually think they are the victims) even in the face of the most obvious and incriminating situations. I’m not talking here of those that know they’re doting and responsible parents who’s child has had an unfortunate accident but rather those that are downright negligent and abusive resulting in death (if the Macann children were drugged and left alone imo they fit into this category) as well as those that intentially murder. I am not saying the Macanns must be guilty but we must put aside the stereotype of nice professional people being incapable of such a thing when the facts are affluent and professional people are smarter in covering up their illegal activities and masters at portraying an image to the world (possibly literally in this case).
September 16th, 2007 at 4:15 am
[eatmyshorts] I’m personally teetotal, but take on board your approach.
Nobody wants to “win arguments” here, surely everyones interested in finding Madaleine, and moreso recently the true reason for her disappearance. Note the name I am using. not “Maddy” so now, just who is using a tabloid mentality here?
My common sense is quite obvious for all to see hopefully? I don’t call people names such as Moron… especially only to follow it with the type of thing you’ve written
I’m using logic based probability in my opinion, not emotional outbursts. I detect anger coming form your quarter, please tell me I’m mistaken?
I seriously doubt I could find Madeleine. Dead or alive. Ask The McCanns, it looks like they might know more than us. I’m not the one with Drugged DNA of my daughter in the boot of a hire car allegedly. I’m not the one parading myself on T.V. i’m not the one contradicting myself every day,
I’m not the one refusing to answer 40 questions down the Police Station
I’m not the one hell bent on hoodwinking the World AND profiting
I’m not the one hiring a P.A. and a Q.C.
If you’ve a valid point to make about us, why not state something reasonable instead of “you’re this you’re that’”
such as: Reasons why we are so wrong. I’m very interested to hear your theories on how the McCanns are innocent, apart from from all I can see which seems to be “blind faith” coming from your post.
Are you a Catholic? a McCann? A paid representative? or freakier still…
Madleine herself!! You’ve sure got a 4 Year old’s dialogue goin’ on from what I see, and you sure love momma and pappa too (for some unknown reason)
Allegedly
September 16th, 2007 at 2:15 am
I give up !!
Between JOhn O,, Andrew and Power Monkey with a few other linear nose bag posters who look no further than their tabloid headlines - where is your common sense?
Most of you come across as dimwitted morons, and that is a compliment.
Grow up - get out into the big wide world and Misery loves company and you do seem to have found each other.
I hear all of you badmouth the McCanns - IYO - then with the same breath - aye but I hope Maddy is found and Elvis ……
You dont want Maddy found - you want to use her name to win your arguments.
Get those big mouths of yours to do something positive to get something done to FIND Madaleine - Dead or Alive.
Sitting at home with your beers and tabloid mentality is of NO USE WHATSOEVER.
September 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Vera: perhaps they are on medication to help them through the days,this would make them un rational and inconsistant
ME: Would that shock us, prescribed or not?!
Vera: By the way i do not live in a world with fields of white fluffy bunnies, and real marshmallow clouds, but i do live in a world where there is some parents that kill their children, but thank god these are in the minority
ME: Actually the NSPCC’s own statistics were “nearly 80%”
So I’m afraid Childrens deaths are usually a MAJORITY. Stats are from their website. not my faithful imagination.
David Ike: “I’m a bit crazy”
ME: Yeah, but scaringly quite accurate on things sometimes
Alice: they stood a good chance of losing everything
ME: What’s with the past tense?
Allegedly
September 15th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Powder - I think that the most obvious senario in the case of an accident would, for professional medics, be to panic - as their whole careers and reputations would be on the line - if, say for instance, they had both given her sedatives (one not knowing that the other had) - then apart from dosing up the kid, they had left her and the other two alone for what could have been anything between 2 and 3 hours depending on which report you read - then of course they would panic. If they came back and found her lifeless, there would be instant panic - they had lost a child, so if the circumstances came out as to why this had happened - they stood a good chance of losing everything - jobs, reputation and the other two children. Nothing would bring back Maddie if that was the circumstances, so they had nothing to lose by lies. It still sounds a bit far fetched that this could have happened and that they were able to hide the body for days on end without someone getting the drift of it.
September 15th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
If in my world of fluffy bunnies, and marshmallow clouds, i would presume if gerry and kate are totally innocent, they have had their world tipped upside down, and all they have to cling on to is denial, and that maddie is alive, perhaps they are on medication to help them through the days,this would make them un rational and inconsistant,
I do not agree with any one leaving their child or children under any cicumstances, but surley this does not mean they should suffer the death of the child, or the accusations that they are experiencing.
IF! they are innocent,does it not make you wonder that the person who does know what happened to maddie is getting away scott free,
I personally believe that the mccanns had nothing to do with the disappearance of maddie, but they had left the children before and they were being watched.
By the way i do not live in a world with fields of white fluffy bunnies, and real marshmallow clouds, but i do live in a world where there is some parents that kill their children, but thank god these are in the minority