Madeleine McCann: Watching The Parents
MORE no news on the Madeleine McCann case.
It is now a week since the three-year-old girl was snatched from a Portugal holiday resort.
The story has been distressing to watch on our TV screens. What it must like for the parents of Madeleine only a few can know.
BLAME
But their misery is far from complete. With no news of Madeleine, and the Portuguese police having no need to indulge the British tabloids with speculation and theory, Madeleine’s parents are the central characters.
And today’s front-page news, as reported by the caring Mirror, is: “THEY KNOW LEAVING KIDS WAS WRONG.”
Does the Mirror mean to say that Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry, now think they did the wrong thing in nipping out for a bite to eat and leaving the children in the apartment on what they thought was a secure resort?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns know that popping back regularly to look at their children and checking on their well being was less than perfect?
Does the Mirror mean that the McCanns realise they should not have left their children alone, just like it is wrong to leave a child in a hotel under the auspices of a baby monitoring service, to leave a child in the car while mum goes to pay for petrol, to talk to a neighbour over a garden fence while the children are indoors?
Of course this is not the Mirror’s view. Oh, no. This is Madeleine’s grandmother, Susan Healy, saying: “They know this was a mistake. But it wasn’t child neglect, it wasn’t not caring for your children.”
That she feels the need to say this is wrong. That the Mirror can lead with Madeleine’s grief-worn parents is pathetic and misguided. That the paper can talk of “people are asking why they didn’t make use of the crèche” at the resort or take the children out to dinner with them is wrong.
But the Mirror has news to write. And the police aren’t playing the game.
THEORIES
So the Mirror produces: “THE 6 THEORIES.”
Only six! Why this cautious approach? But it is all the Mirror has. And readers hear of the “PAEDOPHILE GANG”, the “LONE PAEDOPHILE”, the “JEALOUS MOTHER”, Madeleine wandering off and “DROWNED”, the “OPPORTUNIST PAEDOPHILE”, the “CHILDLESS COUPLE”.
But the Sun has more. It has 130 more. As the front-page headline screams: “MADDIE COPS HUNT 130 BRIT PAEDOS.”
The paper says “at least” 130 British paedophiles “might” have taken Madeleine McCann.
In “ALGARVE IS ‘HAVEN’ FOR PERVS”, readers learn that Portugal is a “magnet for sun-seeking perverts from Britain and the rest of Europe”.
Who knew that perverts get off on watching children at the beach?
Us And Them
But help is on its way. The Sun lists the British coppers who will go out there and see to it that justice is done. We, says the paper, are the only country with a sex offenders’ register.
All convicted perverts must inform the police of their desire to go abroad. At least 130 have. And the police are looking for them.
But – and whisper this – might it be that convicted sexual deviants don’t all tell the police what they plan to do? They are not monitored while overseas. And might it be that not all sexual predators are caught and make it to the list?
Among the policemans’ names is Detective Superintendent Graham Hill, attached to theChild Exploitation and Protection Centre. Hill is on the case. He has flown to Portugal.
Hill worked on the case of Milly Dowler. She was snatched from near Walton railway station, Surrey, in 2002. Her body was found six months later. Her killer or killers have never been caught.
Perhaps Hill’s experiences can help. Perhaps he’ll have more luck. Perhaps not.
Meanwhile, a family is distraught, and bearing up incredibly well under the strain and the merciless gaze of the newspapers…
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October 5th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Socrates: The fact is, as we said at the beginning of our discussion, that the aspiring speaker needs no knowledge of the truth about what is right or good… In courts of justice no attention is paid whatever to the truth about such topics; all that matters is plausibility… There are even some occasions when both prosecution and defence should positively suppress the facts in favor of probability, if the facts are improbable. Never mind the truth — pursue probability through thick and thin in every kind of speech; the whole secret of the art of speaking lies in consistent adherence to this principle.
October 5th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Andrew says: thanks
(logged in, hides my name)
October 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Has anyone else seen that screen about Anorak wasting time on the wibbly wobbly web, copyright on low quality audio?
Weird. Hacked??
Mods and Admin
bandwidth
October 5th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Anonymous, I take it then that, other than a shared surname, there is nothing to link Gerry and/or Kate McCann to Castle Craig? What about the McCanns connections to the U.S. & U.K. governments you mentioned before or the “dirty secrets” you also mentioned? I agree with you that all possibilities should be explored, but surely there has to be more than a common surname, otherwise the Portuguese police will spend their time investigating anyone called McCann. A fruitless exercise I imagine.
October 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Leicester Square?? I think you would be living in Mayfair Powder Monkey.. definately one of that group. I think you may be on to a winner…
October 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Yeah, that was me… My name didn’t show
October 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Dearest anamacara, I was being blatantly rhetorical. Explaining a “Joke” makes is so much more unfunny. Then again perhaps just reinforces it. Thanks.
Who said I’m a high class detective? How do you know I’m not? Do you see me discounting logic or possibility? Do you see me buying into the hype? do you see me accepting weak defences to relevent logical probable likelyhoods or possibility?
Maybe you are somehow connected to the McCanns? To the untraied eye it would appear like that from the unwaivering “support” you seem to be showing.
(Trying to discredit logical theory, or possibility, or just personally attack)
Without actually stating any theoretical reason why they couldn’t possibly be involved. We all know they are possibly involved. Statistics and the Team McCann contradictions will reinforce this point.
By the way, if you are upset by the fact that I don’t seem to be showing you much repect, perhaps that’s because you haven’t earnt any. Unlike Star, Xtrish, Powder Monkey and the rest of the posters. Respect isn’t something you demand or are owed. Not that I disrespect anyone, especially if they are unknown to me. Someone has a pop at me, I have a pop back. That’s how it works. Have I ever personally accused anyone of being anything in here first?
I (We) are not closed in mind as you seem to claim.
“hypocrisy in believing some stories and not others.” That makes no sense at all.
What are we to do? Believe everything? … Or note patterns forming all sources whilst weighing up probablity and possibility? That’s not actually believing either in case you wonder. It’s a process of elimination. Eliminate possibility. Eliminate culpability, based on facts. Thyat’s how you work towards guilty or not guilty.
There is a difference between not guilty and innocent.
The Day you’re suspected of a crime with some tangible evidence is the day you lose your innocence in most people’s minds. Whether you are found guilty or not. That’s where Clarence mitchell comes in. He’s a professional liar some may say. His job is to win your mind, your opinion, and distort facts to obtain that result.
I know which sort of stance I’m taking. The one that doesn’t sway to emotion or propaganda. The day the McCann’s start co-operating as they claim, and start telling some consistent coherent facts (too late)… That is the day people will take note and put some credibility in what they “claim”
I’ve not convicted or directly accused anyone of anything. I’m not saying they are guilty of murder or manslaughter, or guilty of desecrating Madeleines body, or conspiring to pervert the course of Justice, or intefering with witnesses and evidence, or fraudulently obtaining money by deception, or neglecting their children, or administering noxious substances unlawfully, or obstructing police in the execution of their duties, or breaching the secrecy laws in portugal, or unlawfully allowing a private investigaton, or conspiring to committ perjury, or being old fashioned guilty liars.
I have however said I don’t see how they shouldn’t be suspected of any of those things, and by proven fact relating to previous cases of this nature there is a high likelyhood that they have committed some of these offences.
What have you got to say about that? Likely to be not a lot apart from “you’re mad” this is “ludicrous” or other generic inarticulate random meaningless statement.
If you’re working for the McCanns I’m surprised they haven’t asked for their money back. I just find it hard to believe that a random member of the community would be dismissing logical possibility, and the exploration of theory.
If these “random McCanns” are not linked, then fine, they aren’t. How you can come here an instantly dismiss it as being stupid? That is wrong.
It’s a POSSIBILITY that’s all. noboy’s saying they ARE. All possibility must be looked into. That’s what “Leaving no stone unturned” really means
Whether you’ve got Copyright on that or not.
LTD company?? I ask you..
Unless of course you have one of these closed minds you speak of.
October 5th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Andrew, my friend, if I guess (as in Cluedo) that it was the parents, in the bedroom, with the sleeping tablets, do I go straight to Leicester Square & collect a £1 million fund???
Anancamara, no doubt you’ve read Anonymous’ posts. Does the nurse you mention work at Castle Craig by any chance? Can she shed any light on what Anymous has posted?
I’m really intrigued by what Anonymous has said so, if you’re reading this, Anonymous, please refer to my post 2125. I look forward to your response.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Oh, and my friends sister’s neighbour is called McCann and she is a nurse in Scotland and went on holiday with her husband to Malta this year… perhaps she s in on this too……..
October 5th, 2007 at 11:37 am
I didnt say my son said it to me …..I thought you were a high class detective…
October 5th, 2007 at 2:16 am
Hold on.. just noticed something…
(yawn) Ha ha! you’re a success!!
Take a chill pill? so even your own Son thinks you need to calm down? interesting! Oh, hold on I responded to you TWICE! does that mean you’ve “fired me up?” wow it must!
I notice the amazing contribution you’ve made here today… yes NONE in over 24 hours. your last contribution was:
2119 : “Hello - well I for one dont think people should be having a laugh on this particular forum.”
Errm sorry to tell you but this isn’t one of the morose sites. It’s irony and humour as well as speculation. Perhaps that concept is difficult for you to graps.
The seriousness took it’s toll on me this week, so injected a bit of humour. sorry if it doesnt meet your approval. Yeah everyone, let’s all mope around because some middle class idiots got in a pickle!
Let’s hear more of 2119:
“I have no idea like most people on here but I dont think having a laugh on this forum is the general idea and I dont understand the hypocrisy in believing some stories and not others.”
You mean having an OPINION? oh yes sorry. It’s not McCann approved to its banned. Now I see. Thanks (yawn) Thanks for tipping us off the fact you believe you have no idea. I for one may be inclined to agree.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:57 am
No, i think most people would see it as a nice break from messages like yours
October 5th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Oh dear! Andrew is clearly a tad bored in his semi-retirement….go play somewhere else Andrew, I m sure there are more rewarding sites than this, - unless of course every measly response to your nonsense fires you up….take a chill pill, as my son would say…
October 4th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Hi, everyone had a good day? Good, that’s what I like to hear! Been busy today and unable to contribute towards your entertainment misery! “Hooray” you cry.
Cheers! I Wouldn’t have it any other way.
Right, my mate Powder Monkey first… Compliment’s dont come often so will assume you are taking the p155
Full time opportunity? Sod that! I’m strictly part-time/retired!
Which leads swiftly to the most important topic today.
I think we should become characters in a board game where we all guess what really happened, and who was involved. It’s like Cluedo meets Monopoly. I’m copyrighting this baby before the McCann’s can, you know what they’re like.
There’s an infinite amount of variables, would keep any Police force, internet forum, “moroccan gang” “Gypsy family” “Christian” “muslim” or any Government Minister entertained for hours. Anyone really, no matter how clever they are.
I’ve upped the reward for “passing GO”, and put loads more “Get out of Jail free” cards in for that totally authentic feel. Each “Team McCann” member earns money the more they dodge questions, avoid arrest, create “Leaks”, change existing statements, make up lies, or do TV interviews.
You can also “Take a chance” and increase your odds of getting caught.. or clean away, but nevertheless still EARN MILLIONS!!!
Break the Law as much as you like! You soon realise that you are virtually unstoppable. But, can one of the other players eventually take you out and be the winner??
Have YOU got what it takes to be a player?
October 4th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Andrew. So sorry, how could I even suggest other forums would be like this one? All good forums need an Andrew! Could be a full time career opporunity for you if you want one :))
October 4th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Hello, Anonymous, regarding this Castle Craig that you mention both here and on the Gazeta Digital forum - I assume it is you as that “Anonymous” also mentions Castle Craig (link kindly provided by Alicia). May I ask what evidence you have that this establishment is connected to the McCanns? Is it just the same surname? Surely McCann is a common enough name? I looked, briefly, at the Castle Craig website and the only commonalities I could find, apart from the surname, are that there are doctors involved and the establishment has a contractual link with Glasgow - Gerry McCann’s place of birth.
As you say, Castle Craig offers help to people suffering from alcohol and/or drug abuse, which I’m sure you’ll agree, is a worthy thing to do. In your comments to Paolo Reis at Gazeta Digital, you say that patients of Castle Craig include service personnel from Iraq. Again I’m sure you’ll agree that is a worthwhile thing and applaud their efforts. May I also ask, in what way does this have any relevance or bearing on the disappearance of Madeleine and the conduct of her parents?
Apart for links showing such evidence, I would also be grateful if you could provide links or other evidence regarding the McCanns connections to the U.S. & U.K. governments as you claim they have. I assume this evidence will also enlighten me as to the “dirty secrets” you say the McCanns have.
I’m not saying you are wrong, mind, just that I’d be very interested in reading further on those links.
October 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
The Mccanns made themselves look guilty….They refused to answer questions, they were quoted…’Find Madeleine’s body and prove we killed her’: McCanns’ challenge to police, their friends think they have an answer for everything, Gerry thinks the “abductor” was in the room WITH him and didnt bother to check?
Gramma says the “abductor” drugged her? If Madeleine really was a sleepwalker, then wouldnt there be evidence of her needing meds to stay in bed? Her doc should be able to confirm this. These people are unreal…too many things DONT add up….They set up an account for people to pay their bills and an online STORE….they want to run the show…..Poor Madeleine, will she EVER be found?
October 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
This child is missing too:
http://www.findsammyosborn.co.uk/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/yourlife/kidsandfamily/tm_method=full%26objectid=19478911%26siteid=89520-name_page.html
Quote:
“MISSING: THE FACTS
THERE are around 210,000 reports of missing people every year in the UK - 140,000 concern young people.
TWO studies estimate that between 10 and 11 per cent of young people will run away before the age of 16.
A MAJORITY of the 100,000 young people who run away every year are aged between 13 and 15.
THE number of child abductions recorded by police has recently been as high as 1,000 of fences a year.”
What about them? Shouldn’t the British tabloids be seeking justice for these Childs too?
They should seek justice for Madeleine and to the all the missing children.
October 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
McCann legal team is carrying out a private investigation, “interviewing every witness they can find to the events of May”, according to the Daily Mail. “The lawyers will give their defence dossier directly to prosecutor Luis Bilro Verão. They hope that Mr Verão will compare their evidence alongside that gathered by the Algarve police, and throw out the case.”
A friend of the family, quoted by Daily Mail, said that the McCann legal team, which includes the President of Portuguese Bar, Mr. Rogério Alves and the Chairman of the Human Rights Commission from the Portuguese Bar, Mr. Pinto de Abreu, “will make a direct approach to the Portuguese prosecutor’s office. They will say, ‘This is what we have got. We advise you not to go any further’.”
I know that they are innocent until it’s proven that they are guilty;
I know that they have the right to defend themselves and to choose their lawyers;
However, they don’t have the right to offend Portugal;
They don’t have the right to obstruct an investigation;
They don’t have the right to advise the public prosecutor about the charges that perhaps will be made…
They should focus on trying to find Madeleine and to defend themselves as normal and decent people.
De McCanns do everything possible to avoid responsibility. They even hire a gang of lawers and send ultimatums! Every single day they make it more difficult to believe they are ‘not guilty’! This is not the way grieving innocent people react. They really look more and more like criminals running away from justice with money and influences. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY !
October 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
The McCanns have powerful links with the US and UK governments. Lots of money flow into their hands because they work in rehabilitation of drug and alchool addicts in government places (and their families)
So the McCanns hold many dirty secrets and are putting pressure on their partners to cover for them.
Who is Peter McCann, owner of Castle Craig?
Is he Gerry’s uncle?
Was he the one that run away on the 4th of May from Praia da Luz?
The one that has a house in Malta where there was a sighting ?
Why the delay of the Leicester police in interrogating the witnesses, they have the questions many days ago ? What are they waiting for ? Pressure on the Portuguese police first ?
Detectives in charge of Madeleine’s case criticised, yesterday, Leicester Police, because of the delay in questioning several of the McCann friends. Portuguese authorities sent a formal request to Leicester, asking local police to question Jane Tanner, Russell O’Brien, Diane Webster, David Payne and other members of the so called Tapas Group. The questioning is considered important for the investigation, following the last developments, after the final batch of analysis were sent to Portugal by Forensic Science Service. What I they waiting for, where does the pressure come from ?
The McCanns are cold and arrogant to tell investigators what is the right thread to follow.
This team has so many tentacles trying to bomb the Portuguese police force.
It is systematic work, not amateur work. Intelligence services probably creating a crises between the men that are in charge of the investigation.
Hamlet: “Though this be madness, yet there is method in it.”
Shame on the UK (once more)
this is the sadest case ever…
October 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
while checking Gerry’s blog for any NEW info…i found this
Welcome To the Madeleine Online Store.
I find it another odd thing…..making a store for Madeleine? some shirts and bracelets and how to get the posters and some screen savers for your phone…
I dont know…seems they are grabbing at straws now, the parents want their suspect status takin away (wonder how Murat feels…has he been officially cleared yet?) Seems like when we read something new about them(the questions into their trip to Spain now) they come up with new stuff to do or say.
October 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Hello - well I for one dont think people should be having a laugh on this particular forum.
Also, I dont understand how contributers believe solidly in some things that are reported - ie: the McCanns wanting a 4th child (via a family member and - The Mirror…) and yet the same people refuse to believe other things reported in the same way… such as the fact the McCanns say they are innocent…
I have no idea like most people on here but I dont think having a laugh on this forum is the general idea and I dont understand the hypocrisy in believing some stories and not others.
October 4th, 2007 at 11:23 am
I have been in other anorak foruns relating to this case,decided to move to watch and I watched this today, strange.
http://gazetadigitalarquivo.blogspot.com/2007/10/whos-afraid-of-mccann.html
October 4th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Hi anamacara, I did not realise this forum was to help find Madeleine, I always thought this was “Watching the Parents”, and believe me, this has been a great subject for study. It is the first time in the world we are witnesses of such a wide campaign to find a little girl, and it all started in her parents. So I believe they deserve to be watched, for the good of for the bad, because they started their propaganda and “sold” a story to the world. This propaganda could help bring Madeleine home, in the first days, but after sometime I think it had the oppositte effect. With such publicity, IF she was abducted, most certain she was killed. So basically the mccann’s propaganda in the present is only to save their image and remove the “official suspects” status. To find Madeleine there is the official website, the two polices, Interpol, Europol, etc, and I don’t think they come to internet foruns to look for evidence or ideas on where Madeleine might be, dead or alive.
So this foruns are not supposed to “achieve” anything in this particual case, they are just to discuss, that is why they are called “discussion forums”. Nevertheless, each one participating, can achieve many things, like reading from other people and respecting their ideas and thoughts, put the brain to work in several directions at the same time and not only one, learn about many human nature characteristics, get a little more culture, practice typing, practice english, get more analytical and sometimes get a good laugh
Of couse EVERYBODY would like to contribute to find Madeleine, or even find her, but…hello ??!! Earth calling …!! This case is on for so long and will be for much more, that we cannot let our lives be tormented in such a deep way, life goes on, and EVERYDAY THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ARE MISSING FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD !
If you have some ideas or know something you should contact the authorities contribute to the mccanns fund, please, don’t think of posting it here, ok, it would be useless. Once in a while remember that there are OTHERS missing, but their parents have no money, no government connections and are not propaganda experts. Like George Orwell wrote - “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. …” My, he was right!
Muddied waters are good for us to learn about certain dark sides of the human nature, I like to discuss and move in muddied waters :), they make me grow as a person and learn the best ways of not falling into them.
Well, anyway, like you said before, will all have a life, a job, (or more than one) why not get back to it ?
Let’s work pals !
Have a nice day
Later on we’ll get back on our Muddied Waters Lane, see ya !
October 4th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Good morning to you all, it’s always nice to “read” you, and Andrew, about the jogging I ‘m glad you mentioned it, because I discussed this subjects with some friends sometime ago, (not on forums) and some have an interesting theory about that. I must say again that I am not pro or against Mccanns, although my next words will make me look like against. I prefer to call myself a “thinker” on the case. The theory is based on the accident on the apartment, something happened that was fatal. The need to hide the body was urgent because the children were sedated, so reporting the accidental death to the authorities would put them into big trouble. The body would have to be preserved and one element is very good for that and for clearing the odors: sand, especially wet sand with sea water. So, somehow they had to hide the body near the beach, in the beach or another sandy soil. The jogging issue starts after, because they did not jog before, so the jogging meant they had to go daily “check on things”. Later they had to move the body when they heard about the dogs. I find many unexplained things in this theory, like when did they move the body the 1st time, did the dogs detect corpse odor in the way to the beach, they used to go and pray during the night when there were no journalists, the church is near the beach, but this would be very risky indeed. This could only be done with help form other people.
and he has all that covered. He has records from all of Mr Mccanns posts in his blog, and in some messages, one can see that, the jogging only came after as a need to stay fit and practice some exercise to get more relaxed in the middle of that great ordeal. Which is understandable, of course, but as some may suspect, it could also be for other reasons. Mr Mccann mentioned many times in his blog, that they managed to do some jogging that day, but sometimes refers, “today we could not make it to the hill”, because of time, or media, etc. It looked like their jogging had a specific path they had to follow and sometimes they could not reach their goal, “the hill”. Could this be some kind of hill they run to look around for something ? Or run away from something ? Hummmm
This is only to say you have a point there Andrew, the jogging only started AFTER, I have a friend who has followed this case since day 1, almost like if he was a detective
October 4th, 2007 at 3:16 am
“I also doubt that any other forum is different to this one.”
No other forum has US in it?
You lucky people
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Anacamara, I doubt that anything anyone has posted on here, (whether from you, me or anyone) has actually helped find Madeleine. People are just discussing events, theories, etc. Sometimes that goes off topic, sometimes a posting raises a point no-one else has discussed or thought about before. That’s the nature of the beast. Some of what is posted here is, by necessity, pure speculation. I doubt very much that anything I post here will bring the conclusion of this case one minute closer. I doubt that anyone else on this forum can say any different. I also doubt that any other forum is different to this one.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 pm
This may sound a bit strange but does anyone know if the mccanns used to go jogging before madeleine’s disappearance?
Imagine if, by some deep rooted subconscious psycological phenomenon they were actually unaware or in control of, their Jogging is a physical manifestation of their subconscious desire to be (or the fact they ARE) running away from something?
Well hey, they are employing “Psychics” So that’s licence for anyone to say anything. At least mine makes SOME sense.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:51 pm
2110 this topic is “watching the parents” not “bring madeleine home” if you want that useful blog go to
http://www.findmadeleine.com
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Hi powder monkey.. “another day, another donut” as they say. not a bad day not a good one… That’s got to be good news I guess!
“white raisins” of crystal clarity you are referring to. It was corrupted to include full breasted mature women of equal age, wine and hashish.
you’re right about the frineds holding out if they knew they were telling lies. In most cases at least one link in the chain would break. It’s a matter of applying enough pressure till it happens?