Madeleine McCann: Police Lose Evidence
THE police failed to seal off the crime scene.
Chief Inspector Olegario de Sousa says:
“The presence of so many people - especially in the room where the little girl slept with her brother and sister - could have at least complicated the work of the forensic team.
“At the very worst they would have destroyed all the evidence. This could prove to be fatal for the investigation.”
And only one suspect - Robert Murat. There was a stranger’s DNA in the room. Is it Murat’s? And even if it is, what would it now prove?
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June 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Karla: whilst we know little about the PJ investigation and probably have a lot of concerns, I did read somewhere that they the local (open ground?) areas and coastline/sea had been searched. This was part of the initial search which was called off about a week into the investigation. Generally the Algarve coastline is well visited, unlike the more barren interior.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
if madeleine wandered off and drowned in the sea….
do you know about the tide there? is a body comming back to the shore?
did they search on the beach, under the cliffs.
did the police do anything at all?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Times running out release her to safety.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1271064,.html
June 18th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
I feel sorry for this poor little girl who has missing for days. Properly a months to take or a year so who knows? We just hope that she will be found safe and well. This is much pretty cruel when a parents left their children on their own before the time will tells she is missing.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
The cost analysis shouldn’t be published anymore that the lost evidence comments.
Combine the comments on cost and the lost evidence and you get
“we gave out best shot but it was beyond our control”.
June 18th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
sorry what relevence does money have on a yougn childs life?
June 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Anybody read this?
http://www.observatoriodoalgarve.com/cna/noticias_ver.asp?noticia=14323
It all about the cost of the CID & forensic investigation….
June 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I find it hard to believe that the police could be so cruel and desperate to cover their own lack of coming up with anything. Any possibility that the media are being fed mis-information for some purpose? It cannot be good for the perps to know all about the investigation. Perhaps too much is out and they are trying to get control back again. Then again, perhaps i am being naive and they really are that cruel and desperate!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:42 am
This sounds like pretty cruel (and public) ‘buck passing’ on the part of the pj. I agree with Pixie girl - of course the first thing the family are going to do is search the room frantically. That’s just the first natural and necessary response in such a situation.
I’m in no position to judge the performance of the PJ (and I won’t) - it just seems a very inappropriate thing to say so publically at this point in the investigation. Such a statement sounds like they’re creating a convenient caveat for themselves.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:00 am
Did anyone else notice when Serge was interviewed early on in this case he said he was not in the habit of raping children/ little girls? That does not mean he is not involved, just that he claims to not actually do it.
Again apologies I was delayed in my response as I seem to have wiped 2 hard drives clear as the police knocked at my door just now!
June 17th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Sorry just read what I had written and I do seem to make it sound like I think that Russian bloke is holding Madeleine until he gets his instuctions. This was not my intent, his skills are more needed than that, appologies!
June 17th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
The Mccanns in their desparate efforts to search for Madeleine could have destroyed the evidence?? Maybe it’s the JP who have destroyed or ‘lost’ vital evidence not the Mccanns?
This paedophile world is full of violent corrupt people who allow this to continue so their own lives are allowed to remain ‘normal’ & enriched finacially. I’m sure if the Frenchman is involved in this he will be issuing out threats left right and centre - he will not doubt get more money as I’m sure Madeleines price has gone up through all the publicity.
IF YOU ARE HOLDING HER WHILST THE DUST SETTLES UNTIL YOU RECEIVE YOUR ORDERS TO MOVE HER I URGE YOU TO THINK SERIOUSLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU MAY HAVE DONE IT MANY TIMES ALREADY AND NOT HAD TO LIVE WITH THE PAINED FACES OF THE PARENTS CONSTANTLY ON TV, IN NEWSPAPERS & THE OUTRAGE WORLDWIDE THIS HAS GENERATED. REST ASSURED YOU WILL BE HUNTED, YOU WILL HAVE TO WATCH YOUR EVERY MOVE IN THE FUTURE AND TRUST NOBODY AS YOU WILL NEVER BE SURE IF THEY ARE INVESTIGATING YOU & YOUR NETWORK. MAYBE YOUR EMPLOYERS WILL DO AWAY WITH YOU ANYWAY AS YOU WILL KNOW TOO MUCH ONCE YOU HAVE PERFORMED YOUR CURRENT ROLE? A LIFE TO THEM MEANS NOTHING AFTERALL!
THINK ABOUT IT & DO THE RIGHT THING.
Also I read that most child porn sites are hosted in the US and Russia maybe there is a connection somewhere here?
June 17th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
mcCann´s please please hurry looking for your little girl as time is the enemy! You are in a position of being able to arrange good care for your twins and you are financially privileged for an active search. I´d check every lead, I´d offer money, I´d contact all potential witnesses (Mrs. Olli; Mr. Toscano…) myself or through a private detective. Keep in mind that somebody is/was in the village that knew or passed on the info (a passive pedophile, via Internet? Perhaps the current suspect - could he as translator destroy evidence during the first hours after the snatch?) about you as a possible target. On the Internet you can find lot of information about the hints and backgrounds. Like a blog cited on anoraks forum on June 5 with names linked with this tragedy or the theory of the Frenchman that passes on the kidnapped child after 1-2 months…(In Morocco they speak French…). The question is, on what site do all these clues meet?
Time is the enemy. Also when you get little Maddie back alive she´ll need therapy after a traumatizing event. God knows what she is going through. Likely she´ll recover from any trauma with special care but the fact that she´s alive will be a great relief for the family. So the kidnapper should let her go now, that is the only thing the world is hoping for in this case. Psychologically, I don´t even understand why pedophiles tend to hurt their victims, as that obviously is not the main purpose but only causes even more suffering for the families? I guess parents generally would rather have a traumatized child back than a dead child. In Madeleine´s case that definitely is the vital option the world is hoping for!
June 17th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
If you dont have a DNA database, the DNA is only of value when you actually catch the abductor(s). Why isn’t there one in Portugal? One assumes this includes any one charged in connection with ‘paedo’ activities - the usual suspects. So, if the PJ want to do a basic ‘paedo’ DNA check , they have to visit every possible suspect in Portugal and ask for new DNA samples to compare?
Our former Home Secretary (Charles with the ears) was exited over the small matter of releasing rather than deporting foreign criminals, which although not acceptable, is nowhere near the league of this one. (no, this is not a case for reinstating him when John Reid exits).
One presumes that the stranger DNA they did find has been checked against UK (and other European county) databases? Anybody read anything on that?
The reason all this comes to mind is that its not clear what they are doing with what evidence they do have.
June 17th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
what the report said was that the McCanns had disturbed the scene by searching the room..
ummm get in room notice 4 yr old missing?? what would you do
and it seems the room was contaminated because the jp didn’t take the abduction claims seriously and allowed staff etc to enter the room to help look.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6761669.stm
June 17th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Ted: The MacCanns may have confused the scene but they, unless they cleaned the apartment, didn’t actually remove DNA evidence.
June 17th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Fair comment Anorak. If Murat were guility in relation to Madeleine’s disappearance, he would have taken every opportunity to have had a valid reason to have been in the appartment. By all accounts, if he has been there that happened at the earliest on Friday am - sometime after the PJ arrived. So there is no excuse for PJ to have not contained the scene by then. Murat has certainly acted suspiciously over something. Only question is what?
The main tabloid articles on this topic also talks about windows and doors being opened etc, does this mean we are back to square one regarding whether the doors were unlocked/open or otherwise. According, to KM’s “internal door slamming when she opened the door” quote, it implies all windows and doors were initially closed. What is so stupid about all of this is that the evidence/honesty about doors is critical. If they were locked at the front but unlocked on the poolside where access is limited to guests then surely it narrows the search (or security at the resort is questionable). If both doors were locked, then either entry was forced, locks were picked or someone had a (pass)key. Seems that the ‘legalised’ secrecy over this case is the perfect blanket for covering incompetence.
Before someone tells me about the UK detective (sorr, name?) who said Madeleine could have wandered off, exactly what evidence was he relying on to make his comments? If it was what he was told by the PJ then its well meaning but of uncertain value.
Other still current tabloid articles are talking about the non-existent house to house search - UK property owners never being contacted nor their empty apartments close to the scene ever being searched. The place is full of these…..
This case is running riot all across Europe and beyond, and the local police haven’t done a proper sweep of even local property?
So far I have tried to not criticise the investigation due to lack of knowledge on what the PJ were doing. For this to come out now, is a green light for the abductor to sit tight and not worry. Doesn’t that kind of pull the rug on any pressure which might have been brought to bear by all the Team MacCann and media effort?
Sorry, but this whole ‘offical’ investigation looks like a total bloody joke.
The MacCanns have £0.75m to spend on finding Madeliene. Forget the spin doctor (sorry campaign manager, BTW whats Alistair Campbell doing these days?) and get one or more investigators that they can trust to start knocking on a few doors. Nothing like a couple more indians and one less chief?
June 17th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Anorak - you’re dead wrong mate. Don’t take news reports out of context. Olegario de Sousa said the family destroyed the evidence in the hours before they even called for help. The PJ had nothing to do with that!
June 17th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
That he had been in the room?