Madeleine McCann: Seeing Is Believing
IS Madeleine McCann in Malta?
The Express reports:
EIGHT more sightings of missing toddler Madeleine McCann have been reported in Malta, police said yesterday.
The reports follow more than 20 other alleged sightings of the four-year-old on the Mediterranean island in recent days.
Are these sightings reported to the police or the papers? It might be her. Might not be. The Express says Gerry McCann is a “cardiologist”. And he’s not in Malta.
He says:
“If Madeleine is not found in the next couple of weeks we need to move out of the apartment we’ve been staying in as the family who own it are coming out for a holiday.”
The Mirror hears him add:
“We have managed to look at a few properties to rent in the last couple of days and I think we have found somewhere suitable to live until we return back to the UK with Madeleine.”
In Portugal.
The search continues…
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August 18th, 2007 at 11:56 pm
We’ve all heard the different views and seen the news. I follow this and other stories with children because I feel it is our duty as a part of the human race to protect all our children.
As a teacher, it is my 24/7 responsibility to be aware and attentive to the well-being of ALL children. However, this responsibility should be ALL OF OURS because to do NOT DO SO would be a disgrace to humankind and our own personal humanity.
These parents should’ve been reported as all parents who are witnessed neglecting/abusing their children because ALL children..yours and mine are OUR RESPONSIBILITY. Our children are vulnerable and they look to all of us for protection - and to be valued and protected from harm is to be mandated. They are our future.
Don’t you dare do nothing. If you see her…DO SOMETHING. Dont you dare look away.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
IVF? Evil? Sorry but that’s the biggest crock of crap I’ve ever heard.
August 7th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Madeline is an IVF child. The McCanns did a great moral evil here. IVF is evil for 2 reasons. It is an unnatural way to concieve. Further, it sometimes includes throwing away a few fertilised eggs and picking one to implant. Since life begins at conception, throwing away fertilised eggs is murder. The McCanns did great evil by using IVF. They abandoned Catholic moral teaching. Now, they return to Catholicism and Mass for ‘comfort’. They even went to Fatima.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:29 am
I posted one yesterday and it showed up about 4 hours later. On the right hand side facing you , there under the Twitterings you can contact Sepguy by clicking on ‘forums’
June 30th, 2007 at 12:36 am
i have had that prooblem just part of a post was sent or it just multi posted
June 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
Elyn, Anorak doesn’t stop free speech at all, but if there are a lot of links in a post, it tends to regard the post as spam and deletes it. I’ve been a contributor here for several years now both in the old format and the new, and it occasionally happens that a post won’t post - its technical mishap and it says on the Home Page to contact someoneto tell them.
Also this site is very busy, especially these threads about Madeleine.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
I think I had better be off too: I’ve just accused Baz of trying to score a point rather than make one, and I see the exact same tendency in myself. This case is not a context in which I feel comfortable enjoying myself on any level, and especially not on a petty level.
Elyn, I’ll certainly check back to see those links if you manage to post them and if you wish me to I’ll respond, but otherwise please accept my thanks in advance. You backed up your statement and I respect that.
Thanks to all who taught me something and apologies to any that I may have annoyed.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
omg the way you lot are picking at phrases and sayings have you all got the dictionary up ur ass. Next your be giving out spell checks.
Or have you already done that
June 29th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Baz, I’ve done you a disservice in the following exchange:
You wrote:
“So if it were not a measuring contest, then the McCanns can’t be the last people to be envied in the world.”
I replied:
“It’s possible people can be last-equal as well as first-equal.”
That was not an intelligent reply from me. You were exploring the logic behind an idiom that Sharon was employing, and your logic works when you compare her phrase to her other statement “not a measuring contest.” But I think in doing so you were scoring a point rather than making a point.
I think when Sharon used that idiom she was using it in the sense that most English speakers do, as in “The last thing I want to do right now is the washing-up” when in fact there are many other things the speaker might want to do just as little as the washing-up. It’s really just an intensifier: “I really don’t want to”; “The McCanns are really not enviable.”
June 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Baz, you write:
“Perhaps it’s now time to focus on other missing children so that they may be found too!”
Does that mean you also (like me) write letters to Amnesty International on behalf of these missing children? Or are you just telling Sharon to do something like that?
You also write:
“So if it were not a measuring contest, then the McCanns can’t be the last people to be envied in the world.”
It’s possible people can be last-equal as well as first-equal.
But if you’re off, as you say, you’re probably not reading this.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Elyn Says:
June 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
The site does not like http://www.com addresses. If you have more than one, you seem to get “moderator message review” message.
I have found that the way to get around that is to remove the http// and .com from the Internet address in the body of the post. If someone wants to check your link, they just have to cut and paste to make the link live (or Google it).
June 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
[# Sharon Says:
June 29th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
snip...
It’s not a contest, Baz, and just because the world is full of suffering people, this does not make the McCanna any less pitiable. They receive just as much pity from me for their loss as anyone whose child or children are missing. It’s not about discounting their pain because others are also in vast quantities of pain. I don’t think it’s a measuring contest.]
So if it were not a measuring contest, then the McCanns can’t be the last people to be envied in the world. I have no doubt that you are a compassionate person; so how come I don’t see you irate at the plight of other suffering people or even parents of other missing children either? Perhaps it’s now time to focus on other missing children so that they may be found too! If you were a mother with 5 kids, you’ve so far neglected the other 4.
No need to call me vile and smarty-pants and all that. I just wanted to point out some very lopsided arguments here. I’m off.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
[# hal Says:
June 29th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Thanks for that. Before the counter was disconnected (and I forget whether it was hits or visits, but I think it was visits), the total being bandied about was 180,000,000.]
You’re welcome, and unfortunately, many people confuse ‘hits’ and ‘visits’ or do not know the difference. There’s almost no way the MMI site has handled 180 million visits, that’s about 2.5x the population of the UK. The case is very much a “niche market”. That, or the figure is reported as such to gain even more publicity ugh.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
I am Cher my Daughter is Strawberry
Sharon
she has read your post and she said She is sorry that she posted without reading properly she didnt know the case and she only read a news report she found through typing the name because somene brought the case up.
I agree with Molly on the point f i dont think the McCanns are cold because they havnt broke down and cried its because they seem to be acting like it is someone else going through this and they are part of the team trying to get someone elses daughter back, they havnt actually spoke of the arrests other than to say the police are taking Madelienes case serious (isnt this stating the obvious?)
But i still want to say i dont believe that they should be arrested for anything they made a mistake still and because of that mistake this has happened, they didnt meaningfully go out to hurt Madeliene and they wouldnt of covered up an accident i still think Madeleine wondered out of her apartment to an oppourtunist kidnapper.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Murihiku, hello again. Well, I just tried again. Hope my original comment passes ‘moderation’. We disagree on the McCanns but that’s okay, I’m just sorry to see (what appears to be) censorship on this site. I’ll leave now with hopes I’m not being stifled for the information I provided. (btw, no technical problems for me other than on*this* site.)
***Attention Mods: If you have a problem with my comments I have provided you with a legitimate email address here. I would most appreciate knowing why you refuse to print my comment. If you already have, apologies in advance.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
*third and last attempt at posting this:
Following are links which I am providing for those questioning the McCanns and even for those not.
New Forum, only a few days old, already 2000-plus comments WARNING: not flattering to the McCanns
http://missingkids.makeforum.org/
i On Global Trends: Madeleine McCann (Mike Hitchen blog)
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Wallet found! Gerry ‘pleased’…
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1689
Wallet found! Gerry ‘pleased’… (*This wallet caper of Gerry’s ends any doubt I believe he’s a liar.)
prior McCann thread was 2000 pages, this one is up to 400-plus pages
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1140
Court TV (Americans, mostly. Highly active forums. Interest is dwindling but for differing views I favor this site for crimes and court case discussion.)
http://tinyurl.com/2sop2p
My opinion about the McCanns is not important. It will not find Madeleine. However, I do highly object to her parents as I view their ways and means to finding their daughter as completely unethical. It’s not only their odd and very arrogant behavior but their actions that are offensive to me as a parent but also as an advocate for other missing children whose parents wouldn’t use a crime upon their child as an opportunity to get rich quick. The McCanns have scammed now an unreported amount of money on the back of their missing daughter who they don’t even appear to be interested in searching for anymore (were they ever?). If I were a donor funding this couples new life in a foreign resort area, I would kindly ask the McCanns to update that fund total as often as Gerry blogs — which is almost daily. After all, believe or disbelieve their motives their benefactors deserve to know the status of that fund. Especially since it’s the Fund (aka ‘campaign) that is most important to Gerry and Kate.
Mike Hitchen, blogger from Australia, pretty much sums up my feelings about the McCanns. Also, the commenters to his blog — most I agree with. But you decide for yourself (if you care to visit). I especially was drawn to one entry in which Hitchen puts a plea out to anyone who may know something about Maddie’s disappearance and thought to myself, why doesn’t Gerry have something similar on his site? Now Gerry doesn’t even want to be bothered by tips or information which says he’s only out for one thing - $$$)
Excuse me - but you know something don’t you? ~Mike Hitchen
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Lastly, I’m not here to take insults such as I’ve seen dished out here to other commenters. For the record, I am not ‘jealous’ of the McCanns Retirement Fund or their status (I’m American and over here we don’t give a flip if you’re a professional or not — if you report a child missing most likely you’ll be asked to take a lie detector test which of course isn’t admissible in court but, nevertheless, it’ll probably be offered from Day One of such a crime. (Polygraph tests and testers have become more reliable in recent years albeit the value of their results depend largely on who is doing the testing.)
June 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Sharon - I suggest that you check the label on your Mother’s medication, where it will most likely say ‘This medication may cause drowsiness. Please do not drive or operate heavy machinery’.
There are a few anti-depressants which do not have drowsiness as a common side effect - but if you would care to re-read my post you will notice that I did say “particularly beta blockers and tranquilisers” which are the main culprits for slow reaction times. Beta blockers and tranquilisers are the only medications which have an immediate effect on depression and anxiety… Anti-depressants take anything from 2 to 4 weeks to begin to have a theraputic effect so cannot possibly account for any drug induced calmness from the beginning of this case. I am well aware that all medications are not the same - my husband suffers from chronic depression, social phobia, panic attacks and severe anxiety as a result of an abusive childhood and please believe me when I say that over the years we have encountered most of the drugs on the market for such conditions, from straightforward anti-depressants right up to and including anti psychotics and I am better informed than I would choose to be about their various uses, side effects and characteristics as a matter of necessity.
As for trial by media - well I’m afraid that it was ever thus… even before the days of the tabloid press, cases of all kinds were discussed, evidence weighed and personal judgements made - Homo Sapiens have enquiring minds - it is what keeps technology developing and life moving forwards.
In this particular case the McCanns fed and nurtured the media beast until it came to heel and parroted every word from their mouths - hardly the press giving them a hard time surely? The fact that people have still noticed anomalies and contradictions despite an effective media blackout on anything negative at all shows just how incongruous these inconsistencies are.
As to the McCanns’ behaviour - it is at the end of the day not their lack of tears or passion which leads me to think them cold, nor their appearances, but rather a sum of behaviours, actions and inactions…. That is my opinion - as you say I have not had a child disappear, but equally nor have you so we are both as well qualified as each other to judge, regardless of whether our opinions match or not.
LoL Cher! I do so like to debate things, as you know… would you believe that I spend my working hours arbitrating disputes and soothing ruffled feathers caused by others ???!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Yes, I did ask you for links, and no, I didn’t see an answer from you. Did anyone else? I’m really sorry, Elyn, if you tried to reply and weren’t able to (and thanks for responding to my request)–but perhaps if the site keeps freezing on you, it’s a technical problem and not a censorship one? The site is working fine for me.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Cher,
I was addressing my post to Strawberry, maybe you are one and the same, however:
No one’s comments offend me and by all means, post as you please. The fact is, I am very familiar with the Chamberlain case, having studies it very closely, and also, in Australia, that woman is something of a national icon - at least she was when I was growing up - the fascination with her, the torment of the poor woman, was incomparable. She gave birth to her baby whilst in prison for the murder of Azaria. The baby was taken from her as soon as it left her body. She was hated. She was jeered. She was maligned and castigated in cartoons, in tabloids, in the papers.
The Australian media absolutely DESTROYED her. And Itruly believe she is innocent. I was too young to follow the trial when it occured, but in hindsight, I think the entire country was ashamed of how they treated the woman. And you know what, I don’t find her a very likeable woman. I never have. But just because I don’t necessarily find her warm, friendly, etc, soesn’t mean I think her possible of anything monstrous. She received an absolute shedload of money in compensation, in fees to tell her story in an autobiography..So what? The woman spent 5 years rotting away in the hardest femals prison in the country. She lost 5 years of her life. Five years of bonding with her new baby. She lost her husband; the stress took a toll on their marriage that was irreperable.
Just because I don’t find someone to my taste personality wise, this isn’t enough for me to cast suspicion over them.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Murihiku, was it you asking for links yesterday? Sorry,this site keeps freezing up and even scrolling up to read comments is difficult. I did, however, manage to provide the links to sites that contain differing views on the McCanns. Not all, but a few. Well, anyway, I’ll check back to see if my first posting got through.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Elyn,
what are you talking about? Were you screened? I find that hard to believe after some of the stuff I have read on here.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
“Comments now being screened here?”
Elyn, what did you mean? Did you post something that didn’t get on the forum?
June 29th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Comments now being screened here? Interesting! However, not surprised, considering what I’ve heard about the bia British media.
Thank God I live in the USA where stifling public opinion would be met with an outpour of criticism. Especially, in a case such as this where the parents of a missing child are using methods completely original, not to mention financially beneficial. Well, I’ll check back later to see if my last comment was deemed worthy enough to be printed. But honestly, no big deal if it isn’t. The internet now is teeming with criticism of the McCanns, it’s impossible to stop.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
I made this assumption from what i read and that is all i didnt understand how the brother wasnt woke by the dog as i did say i wasnt aware of these storys and what i read didnt say that the brother saw the dingo in the tent just that the baby was taken.
Sorry that you got so upset and next time i will think before i post
June 29th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
THANK YOU MURIHIKU!
Someone else who finally GETS what I am saying! I never said the McCanns were nice people, I never said they were fabulous parents. I do not know enough about them to make these sorts of decisions.
What I do know is that before casting my doubt on them, I like to consider things carefully like yourself, and I find looking at other cases where people are judged by their behaviour/coldness/looks, etc, very relevant.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Thanks for answering one of my questions, Cher. You answer it well and I appreciate that you took the time to do so.
The other question, about the “band wagon” is not answered so well: “And your band wagon is a figure of speach meaning before you start to critize me, and tell me how i am acting”.
“Before you start to criticize me, and tell me how I am acting” is not the definition of bandwagon.
Also, I’m sorry if you felt that I was criticizing you: I was asking you to clarify your thought, but I can see how such a question might come across as a criticism. And I don’t think I was ever telling you how you were acting, was I? I apologize if a lack of clarity in my writing made you feel that I was.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Those who are interested in cases where there was a wrongful conviction based in part on the “weird” behaviour of the accused may wish to research Guy Paul Morin.
According to one source on the internet (and this is a source on the internet, so give it what validity you wish):
“One juror who was interviewed on television said she found Guy Paul guilty because he didn’t look her in the eye when he was on the witness stand.”
The link to this article is http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/108574
You can find more facts and less opinion on wikipedia.
Note that in this case it was the police and jurors whose “gut reactions” to the accused were at fault; not so much the general public’s.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Baz:
The McCanns indeed are, in my opinion, the last people in the world to be envied. Along with ALL THOSE OTHER poor suffering people you mentioned. Do you think that someone who loses one child is in LESS pain than someone who loses two? Or someone who loses a child and is also starving, or sick?
It’s not a contest, Baz, and just because the world is full of suffering people, this does not make the McCanna any less pitiable. They receive just as much pity from me for their loss as anyone whose child or children are missing. It’s not about discounting their pain because others are also in vast quantities of pain. I don’t think it’s a measuring contest.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
*I’ve had trouble with site today, apologies if this shows up twice.
Gerry’s wallet returned! Too funny. Guess the ‘dirty animal’ had a heart after all.
READ the facts as reported by Gerry himself and bits and pieces of his tall tale just don’t add up.
Following are links which I am providing for those questioning the McCanns and even for those not.
New Forum, only a few days old, already 2000-plus comments WARNING: not flattering to the McCanns
http://missingkids.makeforum.org/
i On Global Trends: Madeleine McCann (Mike Hitchen blog)
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Wallet found! Gerry ‘pleased’…
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1689
Wallet found! Gerry ‘pleased’… (*This wallet caper of Gerry’s ends any doubt I believe he’s a liar.)
prior McCann thread was 2000 pages, this one is up to 400-plus pages
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1140
Court TV (Americans, mostly. Highly active forums. Interest is dwindling but for differing views I favor this site for crimes and court case discussion.)
http://tinyurl.com/2sop2p
My opinion about the McCanns is not important. It will not find Madeleine. However, I do highly object to her parents as I view their ways and means to finding their daughter as completely unethical. It’s not only their odd and very arrogant behavior but their actions that are offensive to me as a parent but also as an advocate for other missing children whose parents wouldn’t use a crime upon their child as an opportunity to get rich quick. The McCanns have scammed now an unreported amount of money on the back of their missing daughter who they don’t even appear to be interested in searching for anymore (were they ever?). If I were a donor funding this couples new life in a foreign resort area, I would kindly ask the McCanns to update that fund total as often as Gerry blogs — which is almost daily. After all, believe or disbelieve their motives their benefactors deserve to know the status of that fund. Especially since it’s the Fund (aka ‘campaign) that is most important to Gerry and Kate.
Mike Hitchen, blogger from Australia, pretty much sums up my feelings about the McCanns. Also, the commenters to his blog — most I agree with. But you decide for yourself (if you care to visit). I especially was drawn to one entry in which Hitchen puts a plea out to anyone who may know something about Maddie’s disappearance and thought to myself, why doesn’t Gerry have something similar on his site? Now Gerry doesn’t even want to be bothered by tips or information which says he’s only out for one thing - $$$)
Excuse me - but you know something don’t you? ~Mike Hitchen
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Lastly, I’m not here to take insults such as I’ve seen dished out here to other commenters. For the record, I am not ‘jealous’ of the McCanns Retirement Fund or their status (I’m American and over here we don’t give a flip if you’re a professional or not — if you report a child missing most likely you’ll be asked to take a lie detector test which of course isn’t admissible in court but, nevertheless, it’ll probably be offered from Day One of such a crime. (Polygraph tests and testers have become more reliable in recent years.)
June 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Again Murihiku
If you read back far into this forum you will see that at one time i was in a sparring match with Molly, and as i have sat and read what is being said in the news and on here and in genral the way the McCanns are acting, I have come to see that thier could be things i was wrong about.
And so in afew posts back i had a type of joke with molly that we are actually agreeing with each other, and again today it seems someone else has taken over the sparring match with Molly That is why the LOL.
Also at one point near to that post someone actually blamed princess diana for taking Maddy!!!! so yeah the line this has turned into a real good game of who done it AT THAT TIME was meaning the forum had turned into a joke.
This is a really sad time i am shocked that a child on her holidays has gone missing.
I will be honest at first this really did upset me to the point of tears and when they got that letter saying she was burried in scrub land i was heart broken, and when they said thier had been sightings of her i was over joyed But i dont know Madeleine i know of her.
I wont say that this has taken over my life and i cant cope or say that i cry all day for her or have spent my days thinking of her, but i dont take pleasure in reading these posts and following the case either the only pleasure would be that the child gets returned.
But yes at a few posts i have laughed because they were so ridiculous.
And your band wagon is a figure of speach meaning before you start to critize me, and tell me how i am acting
June 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Strawberry:
You display much ignorance when you say that it seems far-fetched that a dingo stole a baby. This is actually not uncommon in the Australian outback. (I am originally from Australia). In fact, Ayers Rock, the place the baby Azaria was stolen from, was notorious for wild dingos becoming uncontrolable and approaching children. Campers in the area were told not to feed the dingos roaming around, or leave food out for them, for this reason: they were becoming notoriously brazen. Animals in the bush in Australia, as in the wild in many countries, attack children all the time, let alone defenceless new-borns.
Strawberry, Lindy’s conviction was overturned, there was absolutely NOTHING to suggest she did it. The reasons people suspected her? She occasionally dressed her baby in a black dress that she had herself sewn; this made people think she was weird. She and her family were members of the 7th day adventist religion - (her husband was a pastor) people thought this was weird. The Chamberlain’s were found to have a small child-sized coffin in their garage. This was used as pat of Michael Chamberlain’s (the father) Quit Smoking program, where partakers were asked to throw their cigarettes into the coffin. symbolising an end to smoking. A substance thought to be blood was found in the Chamberlain’s family car that they travelled to the outback. This was the basis for the entire prosecution’s case. That Lindy ran to the tent away from the BBQ, picked up Azaria, took her to the car, slit her throat, and disposed of her body. In minutes. It was in fact not blood in the car, but a car fluid.
It was all BULLSHIT, Strawberry. How can you make a comment like that when you know nothing about how common animals attacking children is? And a newborn?! Easy dinner for a wild dog. In fact, the brother in the tent claimes to have seen a dingo in there. NOT his own mum picking up the baby. The mother went into the tent, saw a wild dingo at the tent’s mouth, shooed it away, heard it dragging something. Then she looked for her baby, in a few seconds saw that Azaria was not there and immediately starting screaming, ‘My Baby! A dingo’s got my baby!’
Strawberry, do a little more research before, in 10 minutes, casting doubt.