Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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November 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Last updated at 09:52am on 15th November 2007
Portuguese detectives are today accused of the most basic errors following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
Officers did not even collect the blankets, sheets and pillows the girl was sleeping on until it was too late, it was claimed today.
The rudimentary blunder meant that by the time police acted, more than 24 hours later, more than half of the possible forensic evidence was missing or had been contaminated.
A source at Portugal’s National Institute of Legal Medicine said: “We were only sent samples for DNA testing. It’s obvious it would have been good if they had sent us the blankets, pillows and even the mattress where the girl was sleeping.
“We might have found on those articles some important clues, and not just hairs, which were what was sent to the institute. Speaking hypothetically, there could have been fibres belonging to an abductor, or even a fingerprint.”
Other evidence disappeared
November 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I’ve been struck a few times lately by the so-called quotes from Clarence Mitchell which always seem to mention how the McCanns are keen to co-operate etc to ‘clear their names’ or as in Mikes last post:- “Kate and Gerry are deeply concerned this may never be resolved. They may spend the rest of their lives under suspicion.” WHAT ABOUT MADDIE?
Surely they should be deeply concerned that this may never be resolved because Madeleine may never be found - rather than worrying about being under suspicion themselves?
I’ve always firmly believed (like most posters on this forum) that the McCanns were not involved in Madeleine’s disappearance but were obviously in the wrong to leave the children alone. However, the sort of comments we keep hearing about them wanting to clear their names is not helping them at all. Even I feel quite angry with them when they seem to be focussing on their predicament instead of focussing on finding Madeleine.
Now is this selective reporting? Or is Clarence Mitchell speaking only about K & G and forgetting about Madeleine?
I cannot imagine that these comments are not an indication of their thinking generally.
While I’m posting I also wanted to ask if anyone had heard of any quotes from Kate’s mother about Valium? I read something on another forum but I don’t want to substantiate any rumour by repeating it when it’s probably made-up nonsense. Has anyone heard anything?
November 15th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
15th November 2007 By JERRY LAWTON Your Shout ( 13 )
MADELEINE McCann’s parents could remain suspects for the rest of their lives.
And the reason is that politicians have stopped the truth coming out, a lawyer claimed last night.
A solicitor reportedly acting for one of the couple’s holiday pals – who wants to change their story – claimed the police inquiry has been hampered by “political interventions’’.
He alleged Gerry and Kate, both 39, have received “far beyond normal’’ help from the UK Government, including calls from PM Gordon Brown, since Maddie vanished from their Praia da Luz apartment on May 3.
Kate and Gerry are deeply concerned this may never be resolved
The UK-based lawyer told Spanish newspaper El Mundo: “I’m afraid these interventions have been prejudicial not only to my client, but also for determining the truth.”
And last night it was revealed surgeon Gerry is a key Government medical adviser. Portuguese newspapers claim the public prosecutor will not let police ask the McCanns 100 questions they want to pose unless new evidence is found.
The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell denied they had had special treatment. But he added: “Kate and Gerry are deeply concerned this may never be resolved. They may spend the rest of their lives under suspicion.”
November 15th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Hi all
I have just been reading the posts over the last couple of days and it has made feel quite proud to be a part of this forum. The last couple of days has shown what I earlier said about us all being united. Isla your post regarding your own mother shocked me and I am truly sorry for you and your family, I really hope your mother managed to rebuild her life and gain some sort of normality. However, your post has brought to light the amount of people who care about you on here. We have grown this bond even though we do not know each other face’s let alone personalities.
Most of the forum’s are all about debates, but on here everyone seems main objective is finding Madeleine. I am not a good detective like some of you on here but you never know, us all working together and sharing our idea’s may bring Madeleine home.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:34 am
Isla
I can’t find the words to express what I felt when I read your post. Total shock-gutted-reeling-sick-repulsed-angry, they all seem too mild somehow.
It must have been very painful for you to learn that you Mother was at the hands of these evil men. Whoever he is and wherever he is I hope he ‘rots in hell plus much more’ I hope he is living in the evil that he inflicted on a little child , and hope anyone else that played a part in helping him to do what he did are also living a life of hell.
I hope when the physical part of the nightmare ended, that your Mother got some sort of help and support to help her come through that terrible time in her life.
Thank you (for want of a better word) for sharing this with us Isla, it must have been very hard for you to do this. Isla if ever you need a shoulder, just ask mods and admin for my emails address, I dont mind soggy shoulders-honest!
Isla, what I know about paedophilia also takes me into a big dark hole, especially thinking that little Madeleine may be in that very dark hole. But I also know that my knowledge on the subject just tips the iceberg. We (the general public) are kept in the dark so much about missing children and what has happened to them. Most ppl think that paedophilia is rare and I get so angry when some celebrity says that on nation TV. when in fact it is a huge problem that grows every day day with the help of the internet. David Cameron is lobbying for tougher sentences for rapist - I find that unbelievable, I mean what sort of world do we live in when we have to campaign to put a rapist in prison!! The days of the cave man and woman were pieces of meat have long gone. But my point is why can’t some MP lobby for an end to these pathetic sentences given out to paedophiles and some even walk free. I think the reason these men get away with this is because there are thousands of them in ‘High Ranking’ positions, i.e. Police, Lawyer s, Judges, Medical ppl and the odd hundred or so billionaire thrown in and maybe a bit of royalty, and that why they get away with so much- they know how the system works!!! It would take a brave MP to take those guys on.
Hi all
I read that Gerry father was a labour MP in Scotland, so he could have politicians in his circle of friends and family and that could explain Gordon Browns involvement. Although I believe the help the McCanns are getting is down to them keeping Madeleiens profile high and public demand, and the govermnet does have an obligation to help anyone who has problems abroad especially if the country s know not to practice ‘human rights’. I personall thnk if this case wasn’t so publicised that Kate, Gerry or even both of them would be in prison by now having had a confession tortured out of them.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:31 am
14/11/2007 19:05
LONDON (Reuters) - Actor Chris Langham will be released from jail on Wednesday after winning an appeal against the length of his sentence for downloading child pornography.
The Appeal Court ruled that the 10-month sentence imposed on the Bafta-award winning actor was too long, and reduced it to six months.
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Langham, star of the BBC’s “The Thick of It”, had been due for release at the end of December.
The father-of-five was jailed at Maidstone Crown Court on September 17 after being convicted of having child porn images on his computer.
During his trial, Langham said the material was for research into a part for a TV comedy show.
Dame Heather Steel, one of the country’s top women judges, said that a prison sentence had been inevitable.
Nevertheless, she said that taking Langham’s explanation into account, along with his character, the court was satisfied the sentence could be cut.
Langham’s counsel, David Whitehouse, said afterwards the actor should be freed from prison on Wednesday.
Earlier, he had argued that Langham was not a paedophile who had downloaded the images for sexual gratification.
He was a serious writer who had downloaded it for the purpose of research, even though Langham accepted he had broken the law and been arrogant in doing so.
Whitehouse added: “He was writing about child abuse with admirable motives. He was looking at the images to do that the better.”
When asked by Lord Justice Gage why Langham had not pleaded guilty during his trial, Whitehouse said he had wanted the whole matter to be aired in court because he did not want to be treated as a Gary Glitter type of character.
Glitter, an ex-rocker was jailed in Vietnam for three years in 2006 for sexually molesting two young girls, before having his sentence reduced by three months last February.
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November 15th, 2007 at 12:06 am
My daughter has come back from Tunisia today, she has been on holiday with her boyfriend, his sister and her daughter, aged 2 and a half. She said to me that she can now understand why Madeleine was taken, because whilst they were away the little girl was the centre of attraction. Everyone, but everyone was going up to her, giving her presents, and making so much fuss of her. Even teenage boys and men. She said that they didn’t feel threatened by them, but they seemed to be fascinated with the little girl because she is cute, blonde and has a ’sunny’ personality. (Just as I imagine Madeleine to have been). What their motives would have been I shudder to imagine.
I feel the same way as you Isla. I have never been affected by anything so much in my whole life, and I feel so helpless and frustrated that there is nothing any of us can do to help find this little girl. It really does make me so annoyed that people are wanting to make accusations against the McCanns (who are trying so desperately to get their daughter back), Gordon Brown, the whole of the British establishment etc, etc. All they think about are the logistics in the whole case, they don’t think about that little girl, who is lost and alone, confused and unhappy because she has been told that her mummy and daddy have given her away or some such story. All they want to do is ruin the McCanns and anyone else who genuinely wants to help them. They really do make me sick. People go on about the millions of other children who have been abducted, and why haven’t they been given the same treatment. Well, all I can say is that if the media and the child protection agencies put as much information out on every missing child as the McCanns have on Madeleine, then we would all band together and do something. But it seems as though other children are either found within a few days of them going missing, or they are murdered by their abductors, and their bodies are found not long afterwards. There has only been one case that has any resemblence to Madeleine, and that is the one of Ben Needham. Unfortunately, his abduction was in the time when there was no internet, no computers, no 24 hour news etc, etc. if there had been all the technology that there is today, there would have been as much publicity for him as we are now seeing for Madeleine.
Isla, I am so sorry about your mum. It must have been awful for you to discover what she went through, and I understand now why you are so involved with Madeleine. We must all work together until the truth is discovered, and she is safely back home.
November 14th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Hi All
Read this on Brian Ladd’s website. This was the first sentence of the report about Robert Murat …..
BUNGLING Portuguese detectives used Robert Murat to translate witness testimonies of the McCanns’ friends – despite having him under surveillance as a potential suspect.
His reply is as follows …..
Very strange, didn’t the McCann’s get to see the copy of their under oath testimonies in English print before agreeing or signing them? If not, why not?
Many believe that the McCann’s used Murat to help them hide Madeleine’s body…if this were true, why would he keep defending the McCann’s for so long for something that he had no part of, but could get live in prison if caught? If the police really thought this is what happened, I would expect that Murat would be forced (however they do this) to confess. They have a track record of using force and torture to make people see things their way, this is no secret. But Murat and the some members of the police are partners in crime…this is why he is treated so well…by the PJ and the local Press.
It’s also not a secret that child and adult smuggling goes on all the time in Portugal, along with a booming drug trade. If the PJ were hiding something that they did not want to get out, then this news report (which is true) could make sense…especially if Murat was also involved in the child/adult smuggling ring. I believe certain members of the PJ, Murat, his Russian friend, and possibly some hotel staff members are working together, and have been for some time. When the McCann’s arrived in PDL, Madeleine caught their eye…also one thing to remember, before Madeleine was taken, no-one had any idea how big of an event this would be to the world…especially the abductor. A child left alone…is the perfect target, as any number of circumstances could explain the disappearance…and the person who took Madeleine knew this…and the hotel very well.
The PJ’s main goal is to frame the McCann’s for accidental murder without a body. They do not want to have a tourist town with a child smuggler on the loose, nor will they allow themselves to get caught. I believe everything else that’s been printed, and will be printed by the Portugal Press, has been leaked for the sole purpose to create confusion and cover-up what’s really going on. Find the source of the press leak, and more than likely that person or persons have information that can solve the case.
Again, I believe that Madeleine is alive, and most likely not harmed…and still in PDL…and all it takes is just one hero to come forward with information.
Sadly, I still believe the fox is guarding the henhouse in PDL. This is my own personal opinion, and has been for sometime now…please do not let my opinions affect anyone reading this own point of view, or everyone’s work thus far on this case…I will always keep an open mind to any possibility out there.
Brian
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He still thinks Madeleine is in Praia da Luz or in the surrounding area. Everyone else, including Matthew whatever, have changed their minds so many times I have lost count. I really do wonder whether Brian Ladd is right!!!!
November 14th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Hi All
More bad news tonight that the girl in Bosnia is not Madeleine!
I can understand this man thinking it could be her and at least the police have followed this lead. Although, I hope they questioned why the man covered her mouth and shoved her into the car. Pray that the next sighting is the one!
Please everyone visit this site; http://www.MadeleinesLaw.com
Hi Anthony I agree with your post, I can not see the Portuguese showing the shower curtain to the public when they could not even show the pjama’s which Madeleine was wearing. Like you said I do not think they want her to be found. If she is found alive it will contradict all their theories. how sad for poor little Madeleine.
Hi Isla, I hope that you are feeling better now! The whole case is so depressing, But it must be worse for you as you can personally relate to some issues addressed on here, but, like some have already said we are all united here for the same reason. This why I like this site, I feel so strongly about this and feel so much for little Madeleine. When I come on here I am communicating with people who feel exactly how I do. I hope the energy of all our prayers (or for those of you who are non believers, our hopes) will bring Madeleine home soon.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Last updated at 21:40pm on 14th November 2007
Hopes that Madeleine McCann had been found in Bosnia have been dashed after police tracked down the local girl behind the apparent sighting.
Tea Dedic, three, was found by detectives after the Daily Mail provided them with the number plate of the car she was apparently seen being bundled into.
The blow to Madeleine’s parents follows similar disappointments in June when there were reported sightings of her in Malta and in Belgium.
November 14th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Hi All,
I see a slow news day. Maybe a good sign. Hope anyway.
Sorry Isla to hear about your mom. What a burden to carry. Hope her life has been a good one since. Cannot imagine. Now I can see what drives you on this subject. I know how you feel. I,too have felt depressed lately about this case…just going around in circles. None of us here no any truths except Maddie is missing. My heart goes out to her where ever she may be. Praying for Madeleine that she is found safe and soon.
November 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
http://www.baby-grace.org/
hey all:
I just found this site on bg….
November 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
#4900 Hi Annie1,
Although I’m very doubtful that BG is Madeleine I’m not ruling the suggestion out completely. As for Kate and Gerry not making any statements regarding Baby Grace then if it is true it does seem very out of character for them.
#4901 Hi Steph,
As much as I’d love to go over to Portugal and kick some arses I wouldn’t know where to start….
As for confirming whether baby Grace and Madeleine are one of the same you’d think that the simple answer would be to see if the child has a coloboma. However I’m sure it would depend on the advancement of decomposition as to whether they could identify the iris. I’m sure DNA results would’ve come back by now.
I think if Kate and Gerry had an inkling that it could be Madeleine either one of them or a representative would be over in the US like a shot. It’s almost like they ‘know’ it definitely isn’t her which doesn’t make sense…..
Could it be:
1. They know who took Madeleine and the reasons why they took her and are 100% certain she won’t come to any harm.
2. They had something to do with her disappearance
3. They’ve had inside information to confirm Baby Grace definitely isn’t Maddie.
#4903 Hi Isla,
I’m so sorry to hear your awful story about your mum and what she (and you) have had to live with. All this with Madeleine is dragging up painful memories for you both….hugs x.
November 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Hi Susan F:
Nice to “see you” again! -
Woaw that story sounds awful.. but hope so for Maddie…… she’s ok!! -ugh - this case is surely driving me and everyone else here nuts. I can’t sleep at night anymore because of it! How far is Bosnia from Morocco or Portugal? -
We need to confirm if baldy in the pic, is def. a cop or not. Then if he is… then I think we probably know she might be with him. - just a thought!
November 14th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
hello everyone
i’m not so sure the bosnia one is a hoax. the man got in touch again and also a local shopkeeper verified his story if its not madeleine then it is still dodgy so hopefully they will look into it. the man hasn’t wanted any publicity at all so what would be the point of him making such a cruel hoax? i know there are some sick people in the world but i’m praying it’s true. i pray constantly i so think the first sighting in morocco was madeleine i just hope and pray that she is still alive and being looked after. i said in one of my very first posts that i had seen an article in a mag about a child that was abducted and was found 3 months later hidden in a cupboard a peodophile had the child but hadn’t touched him. apparently they get the child to trust and love them first so lets hope madeleine hasn’t been touched please god.
to the people that have madeleine please find your conscience and let her go home to her family i’ts the right thing to do,
November 14th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Last updated at 15:25pm on 14th November 2007
Fears were growing today that the mystery over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will never be solved unless dramatic new evidence is found.
The concerns emerged today in reports from Portugal suggesting that police are being prevented from re-interviewing Kate and Gerry McCann because there was not enough new material to justify questioning them again.
The news raises the prospect that the McCanns - who are official suspects and the main focus of the Portuguese investigation - will remain under a cloud of suspicion indefinitely.
Some sources suggest that despite rumours that the investigation is stalling, the current apparent lull in police activity does not mean that the case is crumbling.
Reports today from the Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas claimed that Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, the public prosecutor in charge of the case, said he will not authorise further interrogations without stronger evidence.
A source quoted by the newspaper said: “The new analysis of the evidence, carried out by the team that took charge of the case, has confirmed all the suspicions that exist but nothing more.
“If a body does not turn up or unless somebody comes forward with a credible lead we continue increasingly without any chance of closing the case.”
Senior officers are reported to believe they will struggle to build a better case against Mr and Mrs McCann, who strongly deny that they had any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, told reporters that the couple hoped to be cleared as soon as possible so that police could concentrate on searching for their daughter.
The Portuguese police might give up, but we will never give up on Madeleine.
November 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Mike:
Did they take DNA on the shower curtain? -
November 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Hey Mike:
What about that COP with DNA results. OMG. Wouldn’t surprise me at all! That’s why the pJ probably have been acting the way they have!!!-
Maybe baldy in the pic is a cop like you’ve mentioned before I think. Could he be the one who took/has Maddie?? He always looked strange in that pic with that bag on his shoulder. What kind of man walks around with that kind of bag on a holiday resort anyway??? - Do you walk with that kind of bag Mike? I don’t think so, or you Anthony?? -
November 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Who knows what to believe anymore. As far as I am concerned there are only two FACTS relating to this case and that is that Madeleine McCann was reported missing around 10pm on May 3rd 2007. The timetable of events or who did what when was never presented by any of the T9 as an OFFICIAL statement. The timelines were ‘leaked’ information from the Portuguese Press. So we have no idea as to what went on that night.
to isla i could throw a few facts into that statement as well,if the bag of clothes is genuine then it means that the pencil case is a big clue as to where she went as you cannot play with a pencil case when you are packed into a plastic bag in a fridge,it means that they had her in a place after she was taken and gave her the pencil case to play with,it was a while before she left playa del luz,i have always said so she was taken to a local house.you also cannot play with it if you are stuffed into a dead dog and burned in an incenarateor,the dog has to be 6 foot long to take her body,
madeline mccann is probably if she is still alive hidden in a house a few hours drive from where she was taken,the police should show the public the shower curtain and see who recognises it and the pencil case and clothes as well to jog peoples memory,they have did nothing other than silence everyone involved in the search for madeline mccann,
i think that the police do not want her found in portougal as it will bring disgrace on portougal,you do not know what to belive as there is so many lies being told about what happened that night may 3th and the next few days,i know that she will not be found i have said this all along as the people in the pj are not capable of either finding her or anyone else in conection with her abduction,
i know who has her, a chap i call beige trousers and what way he went down, by the supermarket after that you can only guess,
guess and wait i suppose but i must say this as well,the campaign that the mccanns have run is badly flawed also and has resulted in the postion that they now find themselfs in,
mondonto3 i hope are on a no win no fee basis as they have been at it with a lot of resursources and have found nothing.
the next few weeks are going to be fraught as the police must say something and the mccanns must do something or madeline is lost to0 us all.sometimes i wish madeline mccann was a rare statue so i could feel indifferent to her rather than looking at a child that is either alive or dead and her searchers are dopes who cannot find the nose on their faces and they are controlling her investagation.
small prayer for the child that someone involved in her kidnapping makes a mistake.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Hi everyone:
Hey Isla:
Sorry to hear about your mom……. - I am with Kirstie …. eventhough we have never met each other on this board, I feel connected to a lot of them and vice versa. We are here for ups and downs and it really does help! If anytime you need to talk do not hesitate . Someone once posted not to put personal info on here… - so if you’d like to get in contact, like Kirstie said, feel free to ask June for at least my email as well! - -
What exactly do you mean by : To some extent it has been my life’s work and well, you don’t really want to know what I know. I love Madeleine McCann and her parents and would fight tooth and nail to find her and to help them, but I am finding it increasingly difficult to keep this going. It sounds like you know them personally???
November 14th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Hi Annie1 I don’t think Baby Grace is Madeleine, maybe just gut feeling as I still believe that Madeleine is still alive, but also Madeleine’s hair was a lot shorter. They say baby Grace’s was half way down her back, but on the photograph of Madeleine by the pool with Gerry taken the day she disappeared, her hair was quite short and in a bob. I know they say bodies shrink, but surely not that much. I also agree with Jean that there would be a big difference in a body which had been dead for 2 weeks to one of 6 months.
Maybe Kate and Gerry have not stated their sympathy as yet as they do not who the family is, or maybe they could be waiting for confirmation that it is not Madeleine. Also they have sent sympathy before to families of lost ones, but they cannot to them all. Unfortunately, it happens too often.
Hi Isla hope you are feeling better now, so sorry to hear your story about your own mother. This must have had quite an impact on your child hood. Also how is your niece now? Hope she is getting stronger.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Last week we revealed how the white carrier bag was found in a lay-by near Faro airport, about 50 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz where Maddie disappeared on May 3
The clothes inside were tested at a UK forensic lab in Birmingham. Its report shows two hairs contained sufficient information to compile a strong DNA profile.
Police are now working on the theory that whoever dumped the bag — which also contained a pink and blue pencil case with heart motif — could have snatched Maddie.
Meanwhile, mystery fingerprints found on shutters of the McCann family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz have finally been identified — and they belong to A COP.
Bungling police wasted weeks checking this clue before British experts asked if they had eliminated all the police.
Officers who attended the scene were eventually rounded up and fingerprinted, revealing the culprit’s name.
November 14th, 2007 at 11:35 am
Here is Matthew James for today if anyone is interested
‘Insights around a simple question - what next, what can perhaps be expected to take place around the mystery in the coming weeks?
Ok. What we have is an interesting crystal casting pattern tonight. A clear cut ‘wheels within wheels’ outlined here.
Starting at the top of the working with the Flaming Sword … a square of FOUR connect with regard to where MM is kept safe and alive. Two linked directly and in regular connection with MM and her custodians. Perhaps family links with the custodians for this link is as close as that.
Now, extending from this square of four … TWO of there four link into a trapezium comprising FIVE members. Four contacts around an inner ONE. The inner one appears to relate to the Giver of Staves … a hand of the unicorn.
The central stone may be small … indicating only a tiny part in the actual day to day of the mystery .. but the fragment is that of quartz … a stone that generates and receive energy and information. Therefore the central stone plays a part in that group of five of which two are linked into the four who are responsible for the locality of MM.
One of these four is extremely perceptive … psychic even … depicted by a large fragment of Quartz which hides the face of the Giver of Staves … perhaps the Priestess or the Magician … more than likely the hand behind the hand … the spin behind the Giver …. the handler and the one who tells the Giver what it is he must say ….
Leading from the stones which represent the members who are part of both groups is a tiny lump of Fool’s Gold … one of the members (one whom is in both groups) is apparently responsible for leaking false information and fuelling the illusion … because this trail leads to the ‘path of the moon’ what I have been using as the description for the speculative media of the last few months. Thus someone here has a direct link with the media and is ‘leaking’ information and thus controlling the entire thing …
Interestingly one of the group of five also has an indirect link to the media outlet and also appears to be of ill health … chest condition like asthma or bronchitis….
Also a point of note that the Moon image is now reversed … as the theme of the media now has inexplicably changed in recent months. It will continue to do so …
The most valid part of note which appears in line with the focus is the Prime of Weapons with the Five of Weapons with the Two of Staves …. this trio has the indication of some kind of resolution … perhaps even the letting go of the hostility … and the setting free of MM in the future position ….
The Nine of Weapons is the blind faith and the hope in the most recent times because relations have been frayed in certain quarters … the comms via the Giver of Staves have been muted and strained it seems.
The Fool and the Hermit … relate to much planning and careful consideration in recent times. The re-emergence in the Fool Image has always been the intention in accordance with this entire working.
There appears the disbanding of some significant group or committee associated with this working …. surplus to requirement now it will be dissolved. There is also a sense of simplifying things … and less being reported now in the news ….
The energy of the trio of the 5 of Weapons, the Prime of Weapons and the 2 of Staves feels near ….
What of interest would the Giver of Staves reveal in a statement or in an interview because clearly it will not be the terms of the safe release of MM … because those negotiations will not be leaked to the news …. I wonder what then will make the news perhaps at the end of this month?
November 14th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Morning All,
Firstly Isla how are you feeling this morning? Thank you for sharing this very personal and very heartwrenching story, although i am very sure it is only the tip of the iceberg but you know, we here have become bonded in our quest to know what happened to Madeleine and i hope you do feel you can share any worries or anything else….anytime day or night, you can find my email here or ask June for it, i have big shoulders…. I hope your Mother has found some peace.
Annie1, hello and welcome! I don’t nkow about BG being Maddie because i am pretty sure we would know by now if it was and although i think the McC’s are not sharing everything they know i do not envision them dumping their daughter uncerimoniously into the sea in a plastic container from Heulva or anywhere. They are very Religeous people and if anything i would imagine (this is worst case scenario) IF they were involved somehow in the death of their daughter then they would ensure some sore of farewell…but then there is nothing as queer as folk, who knows really???
Kat, i am glad it is not just me thinking theres something amiss with all of this. My mind was wandering and the thought came to me that could it be possible Gerry (or even Kate for that matter) were working for the Government in intelligence services or even to go so far as to say double agent type thing?? I know a lot of people say he is controlling how about, merely controlled?? his manner is a trained one and maybe not just because he’s a Dr.?? This is very political case and i have to ask myself also why are they being afforded this attention?? Of course if s/he is involved with the government in some way we will never know!
I pray she is being treated well, and will one day come home….
November 14th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Maybe the Bosnia sighting is for real and the police/Investigators are trying to keep it quite, not sure ehy though they have told ud plenty in the past, I also had the feeling that Kate and Gerry know more than they are saying in the last interview on Spanish TV Kate saying she thinks Madeleine is in someone house somewhere apparantly Gerry said to her not to speak before the microphone came off ….. he is scared she is going to say something …. but I don’t think this has anything to do with them killing her more to do with what Kate screamed … “They have taken her” I think that Gerry is a bit of a control freak and will do anything to keep something he has done a secret, whether that is a gambling problem, refusing treatment to someone because of money, or having had an affair,
November 14th, 2007 at 3:32 am
Maggie where would you start with Russia and children? You would think that it was a country that was more civilised than most. Paedophilia; well to know of what goes on there would mean your heart would be truly broken and your soul would be virtually destroyed - in one word babies. I think that my heart has been shredded and my soul is nearing total destruction. I am at my wits end. I can’t sleep at night and I can’t begin to tell you what I know about paedophillia the world over - Russia would represent the caring mother country in contrast to others. To some extent it has been my life’s work and well, you don’t really want to know what I know. I love Madeleine McCann and her parents and would fight tooth and nail to find her and to help them, but I am finding it increasingly difficult to keep this going. I’m worn out with my knowledge and by my lack of being able to do anything to help, although I have helped many people over time. But oh, to being able to re-cognitise your mind and memories.
My own mother was handed over to a ‘VERY, VERY, VERY high ranking paedophile ring’ when she was aged 4/5. She was educated privately (on her own - one non-sexual story was about a regular punishment, if she didn’t comply, of being left for hours sitting on a very high stool with her legs dangling and forced to watch the hands of a clock go round) and brought up on a massive, very private Scottish estate (on her own). She looked uncannily VERY like Madeleine and never knew who she truly was until she was about to be married. She had absolutely no memory of her past with regard to her mother or father. That by the way is a resume of a resume of her nightmarish existence. Worst still who do you go to for help? Who would believe you?
I also know through my studies and work that all children suffer from childhood amnesia which means they have very few memories pre-5. If Madeleine isn’t found soon she may have no memory of her past life at all.
Sorry everyone about ‘off loading my personal baggage’ and being a bit (very) depressed tonight. I’m sure that by tomorrow I’ll be back on form and focussing on Madeleine.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:15 am
Hi Annie1,
I don’t believe that BG is Madeleine and am praying that she isn’t and do hope that this poor child’s identity will be solved. As far as the possibility of it being Madeleine, I guess anything is possible. Now according to the police reports in Texas, the child appears to have been dead about 2 weeks. If that is so, then there is no connection with the McCanns and Huelva Spain, as I think there would be a big difference in decomposition between a 6 month dead body and a 2 week dead body. Not saying that it still couldn’t be Madeleine but if only d**d 2 weeks, well that would put the parents as victims and not suspects.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:10 am
Hi everyone:
Hi Annie1- welcome-
omg - I hope it’s not true thatBG will turn out to be Maddie!!! - Cant’t they see in her eyes if it is her??? - Can they find out who that plastic bin belonged to?? -
I thought that Bosnia sighting was a hoax… why are they still writing it in the papers?????-
Hey Kat:
ugh- what a case ! Driving me nuts… and I haven’t been able to close my eyes litteraly at night just because of it! - I want to do more research.. but now I’m feel that I’m at a halting point not knowing for sure if BG is Maddie…… - Kat, Can’t you j ust go over there in Port and kick their b… off??? - :)- and get this case done with ??? - before May 3rd of next year hopefully this case will be done with in a happy ending.. because I don’t know how I will be with my daughter’s birthday which is on May 3rd!!!!!!!!!!! - -
November 14th, 2007 at 1:22 am
There are no conclusive results yet as to whether Baby Grace is or is not Madeleine. I have a very strong feeling that it will be her. I have followed the posts of a chap on another site who has given very conclusive information with regard to the shipping routes between Huelva (where the Mcs visited on the 3rd Augst) and Galvaston - there are several ships which go regularly on that route apparently. I find it strange that the McCanns have not made any mention of B>G> but in the past have sounded their sympathy with regard to other missing and abused children. Even though it has been suggested that there are remarkable similarities in B>G> and Madeleine they have made no statement either through their huge family network or through C.M.
November 14th, 2007 at 1:04 am
Hi all
I was just about to go to bed when I saw the following article
WITNESS CONFIRMS MADELEINE ‘SEEN IN BOSNIA VILLAGE’
Wednesday November 14,2007
By Martin Evans in Praia da Luz
A WITNESS came forward last night to accuse Bosnian police of lying over a suspected sighting of Madeleine McCann near a famous Catholic shrine.
An unnamed Northern Irish pilgrim claimed he had seen a blonde girl being pushed into a car against her will in Medjugorje near Mostar.
He said she was with a swarthy, foreign-speaking couple. Yet, as the man tried to silence her, she yelled in an English accent: “I want my Daddy”.
He said he reported his suspicions to local police 12 days ago, but they are still denying it.
Last night local shop assistant Marina Dugandzic, 39, backed up the Irishman’s story.
She said a tourist came into her shop and was very animated, asking if any English-speaking locals could help him because he was having difficulty getting police to understand him.
She said: “He did not mention the name of Maddie McCann or tell us his name.
“However, he said that he had seen someone pushing a little girl into a black VW Golf with Bosnian number plates.
“Our colleague Monika Pandza, an English language professor, translated his words.”
She said the father of six, from Fermanagh, even gave police the number plate for the car the couple sped off in.
He had told her: “I was about to speak to the child when the man put his hand over her mouth and shoved her into the car.”
But Bosnian police still deny receiving the tip-off.
Spokesman Mario Bosnjak said last night: “Every single policeman in Medjugorje has denied receiving any kind of a report regarding the British girl.
“It is possible he spoke to a customs official or a security guard. They have similar uniforms.”