Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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December 9th, 2007 at 10:07 am
Tycoon blasts Brown over missing Madeleine
By John Bynorth
A TYCOON who donated £100,000 to help Kate and Gerry McCann clear their names over the mystery of their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance yesterday criticised the Prime Minister for failing to publicly support the couple.
Stephen Winyard, who is worth about £30 million and has also offered a £1m reward for the four-year-old’s return, said Gordon Brown should have defended the couple after Portuguese police made them “arguidos” - or suspects in the case - three months ago.
The Monaco-based businessman urged Brown to hold a “ministerial level” meeting with Kate and Gerry, both 39, who have faced a barrage of allegations since their return to the UK after Madeleine’s disappearance from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz 220 days ago.
“This government was elected to look after its citizens,” said Winyard, 57, speaking publicly about his involvement with the McCanns for the first time.
“And it’s fair to say it’s a fundamental principle of our legal system that everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
“With that in mind, I would really strongly urge that Gordon Brown, who has previously been really supportive, accede to our request for a meeting at ministerial level.”
However, Gerry’s sister Philomena McCann, an Ullapool teacher who met Brown in the early stages of the campaign, told the Sunday Herald: “Gordon has spoken to Gerry, who has been quite pleased with him. Not everybody wants to do everything in the eyes of the media, and Gordon Brown set things in motion at the start.
“I don’t think anything’s changed, but the Prime Minister has to be very careful in telling other countries how to run their business.”
Winyard joined Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson to offer financial support to the McCanns after they decided not to use donations from the £1.9m Find Madeleine: Leave No Stone Unturned fund that was set up to help finance the search for the missing child.
Reports suggest that the couple could find out if they will be charged over the mystery or ruled out as suspects next month after suggestions that forensic tests on their car and apartment do not conclusively prove what happened to Madeleine.
Winyard said: “Both Gerry and Kate have been through an absolute nightmare and they’re facing some very difficult weeks with Christmas coming up.”
Downing Street refused to discuss the case.
December 9th, 2007 at 1:46 am
Hi everyone:
Hey Kirstie:
Yes, it would seem a bit odd to do that………. - especially it would really be odd if they did do something… to have gone thru with the entire media frenzy .. could you only imagine ?????? I sure can’t….
December 8th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
For now a police source says: “We do not have proof the girl is dead. If we had that kind of evidence we would not be considering the theory she was abducted. We are no longer sure that she is dead”
AND
“Portuguese police made an astonishing U-turn yesterday — admitting they have NO evidence that Maddie McCann is dead”
These Portuguese police are digging themselves further into an extremely deep hole. What on earth are they going to come up with next??? Why don’t they stop making such stupid comments and start looking for Madeleine if they now think that she is still alive. It really does beggar belief!!!
December 8th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
Hi Jean,
No problem, it just made me squirm a bit, as it has before when mentioned here. Maybe i am just being too touchy??! lol.
December 8th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Hi Kirstie
Sorry I didn’t mean to stereotype all ’single council house mothers’ I really didn’t mean it that way. But this example has been used before in comparison so that’s why I used it.
I feel so lucky that I haven’t had the experiences of some of you, my children have all been fit and healthy, although we did have a worrying time with Jack when he was 2 years old, and the specialists thought he had thyroid cancer, but it all turned out well in the end. I absolutely adore children, and I’m sure some mothers seem quite cautious of me when I walk past their children and make some sort of comment to them. That is why I feel so passionate towards Madeleine, she is such a beautiful little girl it really does break my heart to think what she may be going through. Just the thought of her being missing for eight whole months upsets me.
December 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Hi everyone:
Hey Kirsty:
Am here… should be doing ironing!! lol - yuck-
You won’t see me going near any malls …. after another shooting in one in the state of Nebraska!!! Doing everything on line!!
Board is quiet today .indeed….-
By the way.. was there anymore news of the AMerican girl that was found in Morocco???????
December 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Sorry Isla, forgot to say to you i am so sorry for the loss of your sons. How dreadfully sad for you to have lost your 3 boys.
How is your neice? I hope she is doing ok.
Where is everyone today, are you all braving the crowds to Christmas shop?? Urgh- very scary!! Lol.
December 8th, 2007 at 10:09 am
Morning folks,
First of all i’d like to say thank you for the words of support and kindness. As Isla eloquently put it…you plunge into hell. You visit it for a while but i am lucky in that i had another Son who needed me and gradually pulled me through it in his own unknowing way, so i do understand that the McCs HAVE to function for their babies. I am also extremely lucky in that i went on to have 2 more Sons and a daughter. Like Isla i know where my Son is and i don’t like it either-this time of year is particularly hard, but iknow he isn’t hurting.
Jeannie you’re post from your lips to Gods ears was lovely. I echo you in that.
There is something i would like to mention that has made me feel quite uncomfortable. It is the stereotyping of single mothers and council estate families. There are thousands of one parent families around the country/world who through no fault of their own find themselves in that situation. A spouse might pass away or simply leave, a woman may flee an abusive relationship there are hundreds of scenarios. I was a single parent for a while when i left my ex, i have told you all about it briefly before, and ialso live in a council house. I am not a Dr but i have had a good education and my kids do not run the streets all hours of the day and night, they don’t play truant and they are respectful kids. I may not have the connections the McCs have but i would do everything in my power to make sure the world and his wife knew about any child of mine who was missing God forbid. I am like a dog with a bone when it comes to my children making sure their needs are met. That situation would be no different. I can see why the McC’s ahve orchestrated this campaign to find Madeleine, i think we would all fight our very hardest. Inevitably they have made mistakes in their plight to highlight Madeleines disappearance but then i guess they are not experts at the loss of their child, nor could they have envisaged the media backlash. They have found this out the hard way.
All i want is for her to be found safe and well, like everybody here and the longer this goes on the more dispair i feel.
December 8th, 2007 at 2:49 am
JUST ONE CHRISTMAS WISH…………
MADELEINE HOME SAFE AND SOUND………FROM MY LIPS TO GOD’S EARS.
December 8th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Hi everyone:
I just wanted to post a note to say that I’m truly sorry for all that the most have you had to go thru in life and / or lost someone precious in your life. That’s what I like about this board is… that people feel that they can post personal events/emotions on here .
Mike:
Any news of that document????? -
December 8th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Hi all
latest from B L’s
”DEAR BRIAN, This was posted on anorak blog site anonymously. Needs to be verified. This might explain quite a number of things.
GERRY MCCANN PROFESSIONAL LIFE - “Because Gerry McCann sits on a Government medical advisory panel.”
Not any old medical advisory panel. CORE is charged with the evaluation of radioactive contamination of this country by the release of uranium particulates from depleted uranium ordnance usage in the Middle East and elsewhere, as evidenced by the Aldermaston ’spike’ in background radiation of March, 2003.
CORE is also charged with preparation for the medical emergency caused by large numbers, probably most, of the 100 000 U.K. service personnel rotated through Iraq and Afghanistan eventually falling sick from uranium poisoning, and the impact on the population when much of the NHS budget is subsumed for this emergency purpose.
Dr. McCann is in possession of state secrets, and will be unlikely to be allowed to face trial in Portugal, or elsewhere.
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Thanks, will post it and see it someone can verify it.
Brian”
Hi Jean/Kat
Great how they can’t even get their dates right 10/13 (if the article is correct).
I understood where you were coming from with the baby story, Jean. I have used other examples for example of children being left outside of the home, out of hearing and sight of parents, for hours on end. Another senario that really p***** me right off is that of children of druggy parents who are out of it 24/7 - not outside the home checking every half hour, but inside hovering about like some demon who wont go away. Their poor kids are ‘home alone’ hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year. They don’t sleep well because they usually don’t get any fresh air/exercise/food/are cold/ so live in a twilight world wandering about in freezing homes at all hours of the day and night, searching for food (usually nothing in the cupboard to eat or rotten food), some too young to dress themselves, some lying with stinking nappies on for days on end, some eating their own faeces, older siblings hitting younger children, most wary and watchful and becoming expert, at a very young age, at gauging the parents moods when they emerge from their druggy stupor. Druggy party time for these children can be heaven or hell. Some druggy who has a love of children may give them a druggy hug or even feed them. Some druggy who has a ‘love’ of children may not be so nice at all. Some nasties (or in a nasty drug stage) boot them out of the way to loud guffaws from the parents or humilate/hurt them for hours on end in front of the druggy audience. These children don’t go on holiday, to creche, the zoo, toddlers groups, play tennis or swim. And hellish to think that there are thousands of them in the UK. Then there are the children who have parents who are alcoholics, paedophiles, sadists and morons to mention but a few. And then you have people who want to remove the twins from the McCanns!
Jean I will add my name to Sky re,. Madeleine. BL’s idea is good too.
Yes Jean the McCanns way of dealing with the disappearance of Madeleine was unprecedented in World history, so people have reacted in a way that many do when it is outside the ‘box’ with a lack of understanding and great suspicion.
Hi Maggie
Thanks for that. I’ve lost three children (sons) and not one day goes by that I don’t think about them, but I try to focus on my beautiful daughter and her two children. I just love them to bits. My whole life has consisted of many, many wonderful highs - almost magical in some ways and also some of the most horrendous lows - a plunge into hell. Kirstie outlined her feelings of hurting so much that you don’t even want to live, of being zombie like and I can relate to that, but I can also relate to the McCanns and their public behaviour. I also consider that not knowing if your child is alive or dead, who has her, where she is and what is happening to her is beyond human comprehension. I know where my children are. I don’t like it, but I know that they are not suffering.
December 7th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Hi All
Kat your post 5405 - Quote … The call between Gerry and O’Brien was made on the 10 June and yet the mobile phone data was secured in the 10 days after the 3rd ?!????
It’s funny, I noticed that too. How can the police talk about the call of 10 June, when they ’secured the mobile phone data on 13 May!!!!! Something doesn’t seem right to me, perhaps we are now brain dead, and we are seeing things that aren’t there!!! I think I may write to Mark Williams-Thomas and ask him how they have figured out what the significance could possibly be of a call made on 10 June with the data secured on 13 May. They must be psychics!!!!
As far as my post is concerned about the baby being smothered by the little girl, I just wanted to point out the fact that the McCanns are being continually crucified about leaving Madeleine and the twins, yet tragedies happen all the time. In this case the verdict was ‘accidental death’, which proves that not every parent can be accountable for such an outcome, and yes, I do feel exceptionally sorry for the mother because she will have that on her concience for the rest of her life, as the McCanns will for the drastic mistake they made.
There has been an outpouring of protests to Sky News about the discontinuing of the link to Madeleine. I hope everyone on here will add their voice to that, and hopefully Sky will bring the link back. They are the only channel that is covering up to date information, and if that goes we may not be able to get any other genuine news. Brian Ladd has asked Sky to call the link ‘Missing Children’ and give cover to every child that has gone missing, so that we can be informed about those cases too.
I really do wish that the fact that Kate and Gerry McCann have had all this publicity because they are upper/middle class people, who have influence, wealth, they are doctors, etc etc would not keep rearing its ugly head. The fact is that they are exceptionally well educated people, they have the intelligence to put into operation the wheels that started this campaign, via Gerry’s sister Phil, and Callum McCrae. I am afraid to say that the single mum/council house tenant would most probably not have had the know how of what to do and how to approach such a campaign. And the chances would be, in todays sophisticated policing, that her child would have been found within days, either dead or alive. She would most probably not have had to suffer the unending misery the McCanns are facing every day and night. It is an exceptional case because it has happened out of this country, and we as British citizens have had very limited powers to bear on the Portuguese authorities, especially with their stupid secrecy laws, which is making the case even more frustrating.
December 7th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Hi all
5424-good post.
Isla, so sorry to learn that you too lost someone precious.
December 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Hi Mike
Sorry, if that’s the right word. I see that you have already posted the Madeleine may be alive article. In other words seven months wasted in finding Madeleine and unbelievable hatred whipped up against the parents. On the bright side maybe everyone will ‘refocus’ on looking for this precious wee girl.
Hi Mod and admin
Sorry to seem dense, but what updates are you referring to? ”read todays update on Maddy.”
Hi Sally
Who knows what is going on behind the scenes? Maybe the PG, M3 ot CRG are onto something as we post here. Don’t give up on Madeleine being found alive. They could find her any day now.
Hi Kirsty
So, so sorry to hear you lost your beloved son x. I have lost children also and it never leaves you.
Hi Anthony
I’ll join you. I’m well and truly sick of the s**** too.
Hi Lauren
Let’s hope that Madeleine is found before 3rd January.
Hi Maggie
I suspect the mobile phone ‘evidence’ will be like all the rest such as ’sedatives’, ‘Kate’s diary’, ’swinging’, ‘the Bible’, ‘GM’s computer’, ‘Gerry not Madeleine’s biological father’, ‘cadaver dog behaviour’ and ‘DNA’. I’m patiently waiting to hear that there were NO inconsistencies in the T9’s statements. If anything they will probably be minor, not sinister and relate to difficulty in remembering exact times, because people don’t always watch the clock, especially if they don’t expect anything untoward to happen.
Hi Jeannie
PRAYING FOR MADELEINE TOO xxxx.
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Isla, the updates that appear every day on the Home Page
December 7th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Hi all
I see they are now saying there is NO PROOF THAT MADELEINE IS DEAD!
Hi Mike ‘5407′ brilliant post.
Hi Jean
Your post was so sad and reminded me of something that I was once told by a doctor in my family. She said that she and her colleagues often knew or suspected that many young children, especially babies, were accidently (or otherwise) killed by siblings. Sometimes the parents were aware of what had happened and sometimes not. In many cases, after much deliberation with regard to the consequences for all, the death would be officially recorded as a cot death or accidental. Your article highlights that parents (some) need to be reminded that dangers to young children aren’t always from inanimate objects.
Hi all
It’s interesting to read about the different thoughts, opinions and concerns that so many posters have had and held about the case, over time. I’ve also come across some issues that have disturbed me too and just for the record would like mention them now (listed to save time).
I’ve been concerned about:
The children being left alone, period. Forget about choking and so on, it’s just unbearable to think that a child would waken and, say, cry and that there was no adult there to instantly comfort them.
The door of the apartment being left open in the event of fire (if that’s true), as that would mean that this eventuality had been considered and anyone with a modicum of sense would know that a child wouldn’t be able to get out of that apartment alive.
The comment about their situation being akin to the adults eating in the home garden. That may have been more acceptable, if there had been no road running between their table and the apartment. My daughter and I have gardens where the distance from our homes to the rear of our gardens is further than the distance from the Tapas Bar/apartment, but the difference is that we don’t have a path running through our gardens where strangers wander backwards and forwards willynilly.
The twins being left at the creche without the protection of an (related) adult (if that was the case).
Some (2/3) of the photographs of Madeleine that were released, because they would be extremely attractive to paedophiles.
The twins faces being shown in photographs, television etc. because it makes them a target for abduction and additionally can be used by paedphiles to make videos. I’ve swithered about even mentioning this but they could then be shown to Madeleine.
That more wasn’t made of the reward money on posters.
After stating my concerns I have to say that, I’ve never had any doubt that the McCanns are entirely innocent in relation to Madeleine’s disappearance. I think that many of the things that they have done have been as a reaction to constantly changing circumstances, such as hiring a legal team to set up and monitor donations; hiring PR people when the Media interest/’leaks’ became too much for them to deal with and leaving Portugal, after saying they would never leave without Madeleine, because it had become detrimental to the twins and so on. As to their travels, I reckon they were desperate to get as much publicity as possible for Madeleine/get to as many people as possible. The meeting with the Pope being of the greatest of importance to them for reasons already mentioned and also that they hoped the Pope could bring about some kind of miracle. The twins being put in the creche I suspect was an attempt to keep them in a routine and maintain some sort of normality for them, especially as their mother (and others in the home) must have been clearly upset, often. Additionally, I think that GM comes across as being arrogant and uncaring due to his personality type, a characteristic of which is to be proactive normally. In this traumatic situation it came to the fore acting as a mental mechanism to prevent him from ‘going under’. However, it has left people with the feeling that he is callous and manipulative, such as being seen standing in front of a flip chart. I think that he loves his wife and children dearly, is normally demonstrative, is guilt ridden and devastated. I remember watching him standing on the tarmac at Faro Airport and his suffering was terrible to behold. I cried the tears that day that he was struggling to hold back. I got the feeling that it was just totally unbearble for them both to be leaving their child behind and they felt that they were betraying her (maybe again). People have said (not necessarily on this forum) that the McCanns are unemotional in general (which I don’t agree with), but people are complex creatures in normal situations and even more so when hit with trauma. The Payne’s reaction when Sarah went missing is a very similar case, especially in relation to showing/or not emotion in public. Someone mentioned the Jon Corner video, but wasn’t that being made for some missing children group?
And finally just to cover my points of concern, such as leaving their children alone. I think that they were obviously familiar with parents using baby monitoring services (listening outside doors for a cry) and abandoned that (maybe concerned about strangers knowing they were out) in favour of personal checks plus T7 friends listening outside doors for children crying. Their children were probably great sleepers who rarely woke up, the McCanns probably cleared away dangerous objects and so on, the door being left unlocked (if it was) was for easy access for them (not the fire theory) and they felt that the complex/PDL was a very safe place for children. Still no excuse I know but I reckon we would also find, as everyone who knows them personally attests to, that they had never done anything this before and were always the most loving, caring parents.
My points of concern about photographs and so on would probably not even enter the McCanns minds, because they had no idea of paedophile behaviour/motives. Sad to say the McCanns are probably experts now.
Ultimately my position is one of believing that the McCanns should be considered to be innocent until proven to be guilty. If they are guilty, I will be able to live with myself because my opinion/actions haven’t been detrimental in anyway in relation to Madeleine’s plight/parents grief. On the other hand, I couldn’t live with myself if I pre- judged them to be guilty and in doing so compounded their misery and detracted in any way from Madeleine being found.
Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: British Police want to quiz Foreign Office envoys & Clarence Mitchell
British Police want to question Foreign Office envoys and McCann spokesmen
Alex Woolfall, Sheree Dodd, Clarence Mitchell, David Hughes and Justine McGuiness are some of the personalities that may be questioned, soon, by British Police, in order to clarify specific details of the movements and contacts of the McCann couple, their friends and relatives, in the weeks following Madeleine’s disappearance, according to sources from Leicestershire Police. These details are considered “important” to help Portuguese Police to collect more evidence, after investigations in UK produced a new set of informations, given to the PJ team that has been in Leicester, recently. But another inquiry is under way, to find out exactly what was the role of some of the elements sent to Portugal by the Foreign Office, after reports to the British Government raised suspicions about the intention and purpose of several contacts between some of those envoys and the Portuguese authorities.
British Government wants a quick end
The British Government may deny authorization for further questioning of the McCann couple, and suggest instead that formal charges are brought against them, as a way to force a quick end for the case. This possibility was considered as “strong”, yesterday, by sources close to the legal advisers of the McCann, while UK Media referred the British Government involvement in the investigation as a reason for Portuguese police to fear further political interference. Clarence Mitchell, then adviser in the Prime-Minister’s Office, revealed on June that Gerry McCann and Gordon Brown had regular phone contacts and it was the British Prime-Minister pressure, allegedly, that took Portuguese police to issue a description of a suspect seen carrying a child, on the night Madeleine vanished. Request for these kind of interviews would be granted almost immediately but, as the Daily Express put it, “everyone is aware this is a very special case for many reasons” and Portuguese police “have been aware of a political shadow hanging over it.”
McCann don’t want to return as “arguidos”
After PJ and Leicester Police met, last week, the McCann legal team requested access to the files of this case in the possession of British police, in order to be allowed to refute the evidence contained in the files given to British police and the results of the specific investigations that took place in UK. The lawyers advised the McCann not to came back to Portugal, as formal suspects, and they are planning to argue that, with the new Portuguese Penal Code, it would not be possible to name the McCann as formal suspects, with the existing evidence.
The work of the British Police special team that was at Praia da Luz, in August, was videotaped from beginning to the end, and copies of those videos were sent to Forensic Science Service. PJ detectives that followed those searches, with Keela and Eddie, the two specially trained dogs from South Yorkshire Police, had “every single detail of those operations recorded on video, including the collection of the samples sent to FSS”, according to a source from the Public Prosecutor’s Office. “News from British Media about cigarette ashes found in those samples are just fabrication”, a source from FSS confirmed: “The samples we received were very small and with a high degree of contamination by house cleaning products, but we were able to get a good amount of results.”
Source: Gazeta Digital
Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
http://gazetadigital.blogspot.com/
December 7th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Hi all
Post 5415
Thanks for the clarification, although I think it’s an easy mistake to make. I cant always remember where Ive been when I make mobile calls.
December 7th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Kirstie-5417
I’m truly truly sorry you lost your son
December 7th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Hi All,
I haven’t posted in a while. I see it is the SOS with the pj and their flip flopping theories.
Just makes me sick to think what a mess this whole case has been and poor Madeleine out there waiting to be found. The press just hungry for any old trash to sell their papers and the pj can’t make up their minds whether or not she is alive. Just so much of nothing….and we wonder why Madeleine hasn’t been found?? Poor baby didn’t have a chance with this lot of so-called detectives. PRAYING FOR MADELEINE.
December 7th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Portuguese detectives investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could conclude their inquiry as soon as January 3, the lawyer for the first suspect in the case has said.
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Francisco Pagarete said a public prosecutor would decide early in the New Year whether to charge his client, Robert Murat, or the young girl’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
Under Portuguese law, at that point the evidence-gathering process will end and the prosecutor will either formally accuse one or more of the three - all “arguidos” or official suspects - or shelve the case, he said.
Mr Pagarete predicted this was most likely to happen on January 3, exactly eight months after Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
The other possible date is January 14, eight months to the day after Mr Murat was named the first arguido in the child’s disappearance, he said.
Mr Pagarete said: “On that day we will know what is going to be the public prosecutor’s choice. He either accuses according to the evidence they have already gathered, or according to the same evidence he files the case against my client.”
He went on: “It is the end of the inquiry for all of the defendants - the inquiry has to finish at the same time for everyone. At that time we will see all the decisions for all the defendants. I’m certain it will be either the 3rd or the 14th.”
The lawyer said he believed it was “not possible” for Algarve-based prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses to request additional time to gather evidence.
“I think there is no legal way to go around the situation and say we need more time,” he said.
Mr Pagarete said Mr Murat was “not afraid of the result of the inquiry” because there was “nothing against” him. Mr Murat and the McCanns strenuously deny having any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Kirstie,
Im sorry to hear that you lost a little one.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Now Portuguese author claims Madeleine and the twins were NEVER in holiday apartment
Last updated at 23:04pm on 6th December 2007,,,,
gerry did it with the tennis racket and hid her in his suit bag before selling her body to gyspys,,,
i am sick of the shite from the pj,anyone else feel the same way.
ok no more lauren bashing as she is not a trool,a little bit angry but arent we all,so knock it on the head as it is getting us no where,
the mobile phone evidence is interesting but i want to see proof not the story from the pj as they attempt to get the mccanns to crack.
if i think of anything i will let you know.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Hi guys,
Kat- yes i think it’s fair to say i’m on the fence with this. There are so many things that niggle me either way. I have no idea what the latest mobile phone records will show but i am hopeful we will know what happened to Madeleine sooner rather than later. It isn’t impossible for us to have been scammed by all of this you only have to look at the papers right now to see the depths people will go to….it is just so disgusting and stomach churning to think about, the reality would be like a punch in the stomach for all of us, and poor Madeleine…what has she had to suffer??
Lauren, the reason i am a little wary of reactions of Kate more so is because i do know what it is to lose a child. Yes my circumstances were wildly different as my Son was stillborn so i didn’t have him for almost 4 years, but the grief i felt, the pain the utter dark despair was horrendous. I couldn’t function, didn’t want to get out of bed cried all the time and just walked around like a zombie (i’m told!) so how it would be to lose a child or not know where that child was would be enough to see me break forever probably. I know everybody reacts differently to situations, but all this talk about being Dr’s and it’s their training doesn’t wash. So what, they’ve become completely de-sensitised to their own children even??? I just don’t know what to think.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
As I prepare my house with decorations for christmas I do it with a heavy heart thinking about Madeleine, where she may be and whether she is being lookeed after, my thoughts have also turned to Metro3 a few weeks ago they believed they were closing in on the kidnappers now nothing again I wish they would pull something out of the hat and let Madeleiene have the christmas she so deserves and the rest of us have a celebration “Madeleine is home” my prays will be with her again this evening
December 7th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Re 5414. The big deal about this conversation between Gerry and O’Brien is, Gerry claimed it took place one place and they have found out that he was further away than he said he was. Either he is mistaken, or they want to prove he has lied and if he lied about this, what else has he lied about and what is he covering up. But you have to take into account, that this story may be completely bogus and this hasnt happened at all, as with so much of the so called reporting that has gone on throughout this case.
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read todays update on Maddy, theres quite a few posts on the topic of who says what , who believes what etc its been running from 8.45 this a.m.There are a also a real mix of cynics from both camps, and the debate is very lively and expectation on both sides of what shall happen or not too
December 7th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Hi all
Post-5407
I won’t be joining any hiss mob either!
Kat-5404
You’re not the only one totally confused! I wonder what the big deal is about Gerry talking to O’Brian and why the calls weren’t analysed before now. I have horrible feeling we will be sitting here next December hoping and praying that Madeleine will be found.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Re 5412. What gets me about the PJ is that they are now doing this U turn, saying that there is no proof she is dead, but on the same hand there is no proof that she is alive. Yet how they have been allowed to conduct themselves in this way, is beyond me. How can you accuse someone of harming or killing a child with no body to prove a crime has even taken place? With all the messing around and time wasting they have done, its just so upsetting to think they may have ruined Madeleine’s chances of being found alive, by their incompetence and buffoon like behaviour. They have done no favours for their country at all.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Now Portuguese police admit: ‘There is no proof that Madeleine is dead’
Last updated at 14:27pm on 7th December 2007
Portuguese police admitted today they have no evidence to show Madeleine McCann is dead.
A senior source close to the inquiry said: “We do not have proof the girl is dead. If we had that kind of evidence we would not be considering the theory she was abducted.”
The admission amounts to a U-turn. For six months officers have been convinced Madeleine, who was three, died in an apartment in Praia da Luz and her parents disposed of the body using a hire car rented 25 days after she vanished.
Change of heart: Detectives admit they have no evidence that would prove Madeleine died in her holiday apartment and parents Kate and Gerry disposed of her body
But following a meeting with the Forensic Science Service last week, Portuguese detectives have conceded they have no proof to support the theory.
“We are no longer sure that she is dead,” a source told Daily Mail sister paper Evening Standard.
The revelation comes as police prepare to reinterview Kate and Gerry McCann, who remain official suspects over their daughter’s disappearance from the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort on 3 May.
Friends of the couple who were with them at a tapas bar when she vanished will also be questioned.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Mods and Admin, cant find your defintion of a troll anywhere. And i think its reasonable to shout when being called names and under attack from people who cannot even take time to read my posts properly before having a knee jerk reaction, because they can see Kate, Gerry and something negative all in one sentance. Im not here to join a Kate and Gerry fan club, nor am i here to a Kate and Gerry lynch mob. What i am interested in, is the truth and finding Madeleine.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Kat, what can i say, hindsight truly is a wonderful thing. No matter how hard we try as parents to be perfect, i guess we cant be perfect. And we all have our own ideas as to what being a perfect parents means. Its a difficult one to comment on. I personally think in the case of the child being suffocated, yes it was a tragic accident, but one that could have been avoided. Im not sure many people would want to leave a 6 month old baby alone with a 3 year old, and trust that nothing bad will happen. My mind would be racing with all the things that could possibly go wrong. But we all think about things from a different standpoint. I am over cautious some would say, over protective and a real worrier where my child is concerned. But thats just me, and the way i try my best to me the best Mum that i can be. Always very sad when a baby or a child loses their life.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Mike - thanks I’ve received the document.
Lauren - from the start I’ve always been sitting on the fence lol and change my mind several times a day. I hope to god that it doesn’t have anything to do with Kate and Gerry because I’ll lose all faith in humanity if it does. You’re right there have been many twists and turns…crikey it’s like being on a rollercoaster. I keep telling myself to stay away and just wait until Madeleine is found or the ‘truth’ comes out but I can’t help myself coming on here lol.
I keep trying to think how I would’ve reacted if I’d been in K&G’s shoes. I believe that my other two children would’ve stayed constantly with me, my husband or their grandparents. I could not send them to a creche (but that’s because they’re not used to that kind of environment anyway - my children are glued to my side and hate being away from me !!!)
With regards to Jean’s post…she may have come across a bit hard on the mother, in my opinion it was a tragic accident and no-one was to blame.
Again I tried to put myslef in the poor mothers shoes ‘would I have gone and checked if the baby started chuckling and then stopped?’ and the answer is probably not. We could go on and on about best parenting practice but to be honest how many parents are perfect and how many parents make silly mistakes which they regret and feel awful about afterwards ? Hindsight is a wonderful thing !