Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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December 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
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Hi Lauren!!
LOL - sometimes you can be hilarious you know !? :)- so let’s all try and bring Maddie back home ! We need to work hard because xmas is around the corner!!!!!!!! So do you have any ideas Lauren??
December 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Kirstie and SwissMiss, lol. Kirstie with your nodding and SwissMiss with you handing down your rope, not sure what i am meant to do with this rope, no answers on a postcard please, lol i dont stand a chance lol. Yes you are right, as is Jean, doesnt matter which way we come at it, we are all here for the same reason, Maddie, and all the other missing, neglected and abused children.
December 19th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Kate and Gerry McCann are completely innocent. There’s no evidence that I’ve read that shows that they’ve got any part whatsoever in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Ah yes, evidence. How much is there and how strong is it? That remains known only to Portuguese legal officials, suppressed for now by Portuguese law. When a Portuguese prosecutor declared that there is currently no plan to interrogate the McCanns again before Christmas, British papers claimed the police probe of the couple was “crumbling” or in “meltdown.” But by saying more evidence was needed, he was mainly reiterating what police plainly said last week: They don’t have enough evidence yet to charge the McCanns.
So most of the debate over evidence is based largely on leaks of varying degrees of reliability. In a vacuum of facts, it’s usually best to hold back. But given the fierce rivalry that defines the British media, holding back isn’t an option. So they’ve been awash with leaks, rumors and anonymous quotes. Much of the info actually originates with the Portuguese press.
British editors have seized upon the story because they identify with the McCann’s: They, too, are middle-class professionals, many of whom have children and have taken similar vacations. Everyone one of us just gets through the very best way we can and in a way that protects us and our families the best way possible. It is tough what anyone else thinks or believes. We know the pain we are feeling is very very real and those that would challenge us over our reactions are the very ones who would probably not cope at all ,God forbid it should ever happen to them.
Hi Swissmiss
I don’t know what to make of all the info in the document, if indeed it is true. I only hope that some day soon we will have Madeleine returned, and have answers to the events of that day in May when this evil crime against an innocent child was perpetrated.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:23 am
Hi all:
Mike:
Look at this article on about Isla’s doc……… about the butterflies and Beslan Russian. This is what came up….
Do you think that Gerry being involved on the advisory board had something to do with Maddy being abducted???????
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Today’s Russia, which inherited the massive Soviet arsenal, is awash in the means to carry out nuclear, biological or chemical attacks. It behooves Moscow and Washington to deny the Young Wolves
December 19th, 2007 at 2:01 am
The people who started that massacre were the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. It was on Wikepedia.com .
What would the connection be?
December 19th, 2007 at 2:00 am
Hey Mike:
What does Beslan have to do with Maddie? -
Beslan was the place where they had that horrible school Massacre I think in 2004 or 05′?
December 19th, 2007 at 1:46 am
Hi Lauren:
# 5608 - I actually had to laugh at it myself!! LOL -
I really honnestly can’t seem to understand you at times… sometimes you come out as being nice as you have been in this post.. and other times it’s like you’re a totally different person. But in any event…… - lets all pull together no matter how one feels about the Mcs you included and try and bring a poor little lost /sad/frighted /beautiful little Maddie back home to her parents… and like you call it .. you are welcomed in our core user group ok Lauren???????? - lol - and please… let someone else be the leader , which I never was really??? But I’m passing down my rope…:) –
December 19th, 2007 at 1:04 am
Let’s all have a bit of peace and goodwill again on this forum, and concentrate on the search for Madeleine. All this bickering gets us absolutely nowhere, and only results in bad feeling.
Yes, it was me Lauren that made that statement about the mother who left her children, but I was using it as an example of how easy it was to make a mistake. As a result of a thoughtless act the mother lost her baby, very similar to the McCanns do you not think?? But, dare I say, she had closure on her mistake, the McCanns haven’t. Madeleine is still out there somewhere, and she is suffering most of all, because of her parents lack of judgment.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Reply from Brian Ladd to Isla’s document.
I spent time reading the Isla’s document properly from beginning to end line by line (even though its very complex and hard to digest).
If we are to follow it and believe in its authenticity then we have to face a few things.
The plain fact that we are dealing with something way above and over our little heads. IF, this document got leaked onto the net, then there must be is a mole within the government (UK) that needs to be found and dealt with because this sort of info should not (or maybe should) be in a public domain. As well as explaining a why mm case has become so huge, it does slightly blow the lid on some serous world politics. This is a matter of UK national security as it clearly stated and am not sure we are equipped to deal with the magnitude of it. No wonder everyone is so scared including lisbon police.
All of what i write below is based on thinking this document is valid ??- if it transpires that it is not genuine then please disregard what i say below, BUT read on for now because i have found a Belsen connection that might interest you in terms of validating your dreams.
MURAT
The main point is that it says there is absolutely no evidence that Murat is connected, but they do say he was ” a most convenient patsy”. I don’t know what patsy means but guess it is similar to ’scapegoat’, which kind of follows. They do say earlier in document that he got a tip off to wipe his hard drive though BUT this was more to do with narcotics connections it seems then this particular crime. I guess they are simply saying they have no evidence to say he’s involved - which is why your dream about him digging and burying evidence might still be important to follow up on. They also say he does not have a glass eye but does have a blind eye. Does he have to wear a contact lense for that eye to help his vision or is he totally blind in that eye or even does he wear a lense for the other eye. I have one friend who is blind in one eye and wears a lense for the other..
Meanwhile so many of your dreams point to him. I guess he didn’t quite appreciate what a mess he was getting himself into! Being british, he would perhaps have the confidence - if only on british soil/territory to tell the british intelligence and police what he DOES know. Whilst he remains in portugal he is stuck in a rut that is for sure. It might be something as simple as telling what he knows about Malinka… however, because you brian think he’s essentially got himself in a mess, I think he should be somehow brought back to the UK so he has enough protection and security to tell everyone what he knows..Murat is in fact our best bet because anyone above him is untouchable (so it seems) I guess thought that aint gonna happen if this document is to be believed?
BUTTERFLY/BESLAN CONNECTION
Towards the very end of the document (before biog info) it mentions quite clearly the Belsen connection I leave it for you all to read as I don’t want to be the one to rewrite explosive stuff (literally and metaphorically). Meanwhile Brian wrote:
“tattoo - look for butterfly — he has it, Besln School - Russia, they are in Portugal, human trafficking, stop, 49, M”
We’ve found the butterfly and it does connect to russia but given the belsen news in the document we know that really this connect us back to Europe - I can’t say more as again I don’t want to be the one to rewrite.
PHOTOS OF MADELAINE PRE-ABDUCTION
Photos of Madelaine were intercepted before she was taken to an email address in Belgium. They did not realise the relevance till after she was taken.
Question: I wonder if one of the pictures was taken by the man next to our bald man (thought to be D Marcellus Payne) hiding behind the climbing frame? As this picture originate from the Maccann website, the investigators should be able to get a date of when the picture was taken. They think the pictures that were emailed to belgium were taken on 29th/30th April. I also wonder whether he connects to the chain of events that lead to them discovering a smuggeling operation of kids from brzil and sao paolo
MAN AND WOMAN
They also say there was a team of a man and woman (like you drew in very first DD on this case) so let us assume those initials stand for those people although they seem to be so connected to a dark underworld we will probably never find out who they really were/are. That is unless someone can interview the bar staff where they supposedly got off the boat for drinks and supplies (again read document for this detail).
WHY MADELAINE? BECAUSE SHE WAS THE RIGHT PROFILE FOR THE MAN THAT WANTED HER SADLY….
It also says as they stopped off for a petrol top up at the infamous garage - THAT they asked for 15 hours including a 3 hour reserve, and DCCB (Direccao Central de Combate ao Banditismo, part of the Judicial Police in Lisbon) in Lisbon cut it back to 12 once “the magnitude of the BLUNDER in selecting Madelaine became apparent.”
That these people plus another man drove to a safe house within 25 mile radius of Valdepenas, in the Toledo Region of Spain, south of Madrid where shallow graves can be seen from satellite
THE BLUNDER
I think the blunder on surface is obvious - that the Maccanns were tenacious enough to use all their contacts and muscle to try to get their daughter back and create one massive stink - far beyond what the snatcher and local police anticipated when he put an order simply for any 5 year old english speaking blond child…. little did he realise he picked the wrong child.
The sub scene I think in terms of BLUNDER apart from political storm between countries is also possibly because of the freemason connection - this possible connection is actually not that important now but more interesting to see the masonic link once more. I now deduce that possibly the mason connection is simply that they are trying to help get her back for the maccanns. If you google the supposed author of the document , you’ll find he’s part of an international intelligence group that use the masonic eagle (white head) as their logo? Is that just coincidence? or do masonic orders run our world as we know it. Probably, and so what. Most of them are good decent people in our society. There are of course sickos and bad apples in every walk of life. Remember this before we place blame on a group as a whole.
ACTIVITY IN FARO REGION IN RUN UP TO 3RD MAY
This para basically informs us that Mark Warner were not made aware that several children had either been abducted or had survived abduction attempts leading up to Madeleine’s abductions.
CONCLUSIONS
It seems that if she IS still in Belgium that the only way we are going to get her back is if the Belgians find and release her themselves as it has been clearly explained that to go in and save would not be possible.
I am therefore sad to conclude that this document if genuine paints a picture even darker than I ever imagined and really its now up to the politicians and police and whoever to fight it out and negotiate behind closed doors.
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I still have no word on that document, it does seem an awful lot of work to be a fake, but it’s possible that it is.
Will post your comments too.
Brian
December 18th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Lauren, i’m trying…. i really am….but i just can’t stop nodding!!!!! lol.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
SwissMiss, just reading through your post again. Dont think i have referred to you as a bully. I know that you have been called that in the past, but i think i am right in thinking thats not a word that i have used to describe you. Im not sure i have implied anything like that about you. I dont think i have suggested that you dont have a happy life. Not sure where you have got that idea from. As far as i know, i dont actually know you and have no idea as to what kind of life you lead.
I can understand why anyone would want to do whatever they could to find Madeleine. Im not sure i would ever describe posting on here as relaxing and having a great time. But im sure we all have our own motivations and reasons for posting on here. Mine of course, are to be as disruptive and as argumentative as i can (this is a joke on my part, but no doubt people are nodding in agreement as they read this, you there, stop nodding, lol)
You obviously have made a lot of friends on here, so i wouldnt worry too much as to what you think, i think of you. You cant please everyone all the time, believe me i know that lol
December 18th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
SwissMiss, he has to explain why he doesnt come on here? Im not sure he has to explain himself at all. Peoples real lives away from here, change and move in different directions. I dont think that means anyone needs to explain themselves. No one knows where their lives are going to lead them. And as with the case of Isla, sometimes tragedy strikes out of the blue.
December 18th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Lauren:
what have I ever done to deserve your treatment towards me? Maybe just my change of mind the way I think about the Mcs now? I’m only here to try and help put peaces together to help bring Maddie back. Not that I need to clarify anything to you but I am not here to backstab anyone including yourself. I’ve never been a bully in my life quite the contrary! - I have a happy life and I only come on here to try and relax and have some great time with people you think you can trust a little to help bring Maddie back . It is also odd that Brasil doesn’t come on and explain himself why he doesn’t come on the board anymore…
December 18th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Mike, how is your post a response to what i said to SwissMiss? Whats your point? Again, all of your information coming from the media, who are not interested in the truth, just in selling newspapers by whatever means they can.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Lauren post 5597.
SwissMiss, you could list as easily as many discrepancies against the McCanns. The thing here is the PJ have made a huge cock up as regards how they have handled things, if Murat was a suspect, why was he allowed to be a translator or privy to information that is/was fundamental in this case.
The Sun (16/12/07
Murat sat in on police interviews with vital witnesses including the Tapas 7 – the pals dining with the McCann’s the night Maddie vanished. The oddball Brit expat was also used as interpreter when cops spoke to other witnesses who later pointed the finger of suspicion at him. Last night a friend of the Tapas 7 said: “They are all furious – they thought Murat was a legitimate part of the investigation.
The Sun (03/12/07)
Yesterday it was claimed police used Murat as a translator — giving him access to the crime scene —
as he was a long-time informant.
Sunday Mirror (02/12/07)
The private detectives from Metodo 3 (M3) are also investigating a tip-off that Murat had connections to the criminal underworld and was working as a police informant.
Daily Mail (28/05/07)
It was confirmed by a source close to the Madeleine McCann investigation that ‘potentially significant evidence’ was found on suspect Robert Murat’s computer. None of it made any link to Madeleine.
But the source said: “Things were found, including paedophile stuff, and that’s why he remains of interest in this inquiry.”
December 18th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
# 5601- Same here Lauren..
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Kat - apologies, if youre not one of the people who go on msn and have had negative discussions about people who have posted on here :
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I’ve never had any negative discussions about people on here so not sure who you are referring to……….. - by the way.. there has never been any negative discussions about people on the board.. on MSN ONLY ABOUT MADDIE!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
5601 - Lauren, apology accepted….x
December 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
Kat, SwissMiss, i dont know if Murat, or what his involvement may be, i alson dont know if or what the McCanns involvement may be, if any. I dont know who has taken Madeleine or what has become of her, i wish i did. I dont want to start accusing anyone of her disappearance, nor am i interested in starting hate campaigns about anyone. I would just like the truth to be known and Madeleine to be found. Im not one really for speculation, so dont really want to get into blaming anyone, especially as its not really known what has happened to Madeleine.
Kat - apologies, if youre not one of the people who go on msn and have had negative discussions about people who have posted on here.
December 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
5595 – Lauren, it’s your prerogative as it is mine to keep what you do in your ‘real life’ for children and their plight private.
Just because someone is happy to share their experiences doesn’t mean they are looking for gratitude or a ‘pat on the back’, they simply feel comfortable enough to share it with their cyber friends. Due to negative experiences in the past online I now know to keep my private life secret and not divulge too much on forums.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Just out of curiosity, Lauren… are you for or against Murat?? - and why??
December 18th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
5592 - Lauren, it’s not a secret who I’m related to on here. Not that it makes a difference anyway as they’ve got their opinions and I’ve got mine - and they are different.
As for MSN I have never had a conversation with anyone other than my relatives on there so your statement saying that anyone new coming on here doesnt stand a chance in hell, cos we’re ALL slagging them off on MSN is not true…..
I have never been an ardent supporter of the McCann’s and yes they are suspects however, and I may be wrong in saying this but I believe the reason the letters of support are being written by others is because in this country people are ‘innocent until proved guilty’ and so far the Portuguese police have provided no evidence and have not charged the McCann’s with anything….
For your information, I won’t be waving a banner either saying the McCann’s are innocent because like you I don’t know that for sure……I like to have concrete evidence before I pledge my support and similarly before I condemn someone to a hate campaign.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
SwissMiss, you could list as easily as many discrepancies against the McCanns. The thing here is the PJ have made a huge cock up as regards how they have handled things, if Murat was a suspect, why was he allowed to be a translator or privy to information that is/was fundamental in this case. If the way this case had been investigated from the off had been handled differently. Instead of the PJ being stuck in this mindset that they were not looking with a living person, maybe the outlook for Madeleine McCann may be very different right now.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
I for one Lauren happen to work for a Charity group.. in helping children in orphanages……
December 18th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Kat, what i do for charities, children causes, is private to me. I dont need a pat on the back from anyone for doing any of the things i do. If i only did things, so i could tell people then i wouldnt be doing it for the right reasons. Just cos i dont wear a tshirt with what i do emblazoned across my chest, does not mean that i dont do anything at all. Nor does anyone coming on here, saying they have written a letter in support of the Mcs or saying they are sending gifts to the Mcs, mean that they do anything more for any other needy causes - does it?
December 18th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
speaking about Murat, Lauren… what is your theory about him then… so you can clear this up maybe?? - I for one, think it is really odd that he was there at the scene and trying eager to be the interpreter. While at beginning, apparently he called his ex-wife really nervously a few hours before from the news report. And, why did he rent a car from 12-15 May ? And put his ex-wife’s address there? Isn’t a bit weird ? And now… from another news report… he was being the interpreter again during the Tapas 9 reinterrogation?? Him still being a suspect? How can that be? On another weird case, from the US in Aruba about the Natalee HOlloway case… the 3 last people to have been with her keep on being named suspect and being put in jail . Now released again??? I don’t get it…….
December 18th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
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Quote from Lauren “It seems to me too many people jumping on this bandwagon because its in the news. What about all the thousands of missing children? Abused children? Homeless children? Starving children? What will they be getting this Christmas? Anyone writing letters about that? Sending gifts and wishing them well for Christmas? No i thought not, and why? Cos theres no kudos on that is there?”
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Lauren, what exactly are you doing for these children?
Why do you feel the need to be so negative particularly towards the ‘core users’ on this forum?
Reading previous posts on here it’s obvious that the plight of all children who go missing or are abused is at the forefront of our mind. Some of us regularly donate money to children’s charities, some of us have volunteered as operators for Childline, some of us already work with children, some of us are going through the fostering process to help give children a better life…..and yet you still feel the need to be insulting towards everyone. The ‘core users’ on this forum are the most honest and decent people you will come across and don’t deserve the backlash of your venomous tongue.
Even after the despicable comments you made, Swissmiss has come back with the offer of friendship and a handshake…..why?…..because she’s a lovely, kind soul who has always been warm and welcoming to everybody on this board especially newcomers. I know when I arrived she made me feel very welcome.
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Quote from Lauren “ Maybe you core users, yes i know, so 3 months ago, should restrict your activities to msn and give some fresh blood on here a chance, rather than the same old, poor Kate and Gerry every five seconds. Maybe you core users, yes i know, so 3 months ago, should restrict your activities to msn and give some fresh blood on here a chance, rather than the same old, poor Kate and Gerry every five seconds.”
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As Mods and Admin have already said there are other threads……
Every day there are Madeleine threads being posted on Anorak so why you feel the need to come on this one with your negativity is beyond me.
If the ‘core users’ were to restrict their activities to MSN this particular thread would die a death within a few days.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Kat, SwissMiss has told my friend Brasil who you are related to on here. So i am well aware of the relationships that are formed on here, in real life and on msn. Anyone new coming on here, doesnt stand a chance in hell, cos your all slagging the new person off on msn and i have been told that by someone i know and trust.
Maybe the phrasing, of the reason people are sending gifts was wrong. But there are letters being written in support of the McCanns, for what reason? They are suspects for a reason as is Murat. They need to be found innocent, if that is what they are.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
SwissMiss, how can anyone be certain of the true facts of this case? The media havent and dont report the truth. The McCanns and their friends have appeared to have told lies or at least not the whole truth (if what you read is to be taken as truth). And what has come from the PJ has been confusing to say the least.
Why is this case different in your eyes? Because the Mcs are now famous? The facts, a child went missing, whilst left alone. The time of the disappearance isnt clear, as we have to go on what the parents say is the last time they saw her alive, and as they are official suspects in this, one has to keep an open mind. So all we know is Madeleine went missing, the hows and wheres are not known as yet. The only thing that appears to be different in this case than any other, is that the parents were not made suspects from the get go. Its usual in most missing people / murders where there is no clear idea as to what has gone on, the people closest are the people suspected. Im not saying that is fair, its just procedure.
Someone on here the other day, i think it was Jean, apologies if it wasnt Jean. Made a heartless comment about a woman whose 6 month old baby died after being left alone with her 3 year old daughter whilst she took a bath upstairs. The comment made was, when will they ever learn (words to that effect) Yet has she ever made that comment about the Mcs - i think not, that leads me to ask why? Seems only certain people on here are worthy of your sympathy and understanding.
This forum is so riddled with theory and counter theory. People who you think are innocent, people who are guilty. Murat has been questioned by the same police force and found to be a suspect, yet with him the PJ are right in their suspicions, but with the McCanns they have got it completely wrong. Doesnt that sound biased to you. How can the PJ be so right with Murat and yet so wrong with the Mcs?
Any child that goes missing, is kidnapped, is hurt, or starving is heartbreaking. Any family having to live with a this kind of loss, is heartbreaking. But until the truth is known, i wont be waving a banner shouting that the Mcs are innocent - how the hell do i know that for sure. If i knew for sure who was involved in this, i would be shouting it from the rooftops. Hopefully for he sake of their other 2 children, the Mcs will have had no involvement in Madeleines disappearance, and even better for them as a family, Maddie will be found and soon.
December 18th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
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Quote from Lauren “What i dont like on here, is the mutual back patting when either one of you core users, writes a post singing Kate and Gerry McCanns praises for neglecting their children and the subsequant letters, gifts etc you send in support of this”
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Lauren, what on earth are you talking about….??????????????????????????
Sorry but I seem to have missed a few posts from the ‘core users’….
Firstly in which posts are they singing the praises of the McCann’s for neglecting their children?
Secondly in which posts are the ‘core users’ sending letters, gifts supporting the McCann’s for neglecting their children.
December 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Lauren:
I understand where you are coming from this… I totally do…….. - this is the first time that I’m on a case like that , really following it… etc…….. I also know saddly enough that there are so many other missing children that do not get even their picture in the newspaper!! - I wish I could help ….. if you have any thoughts .. please send them my way. Maddie’s case is not like your usual kidnap case… something is about this case…….. - I just don’t get what it is…… - if you want to email me directly feel free to do so . Sometimes again, I’m saying this…. - but when one writes , things that you are trying to say do not come out as you meant to say it. By all means…. just to rest you at ease…… there is no camp/bullies amongst people here…… no one has rejected you on here, Lauren.. just the way you react at times by turning things around… I for one, at first yes had different thoughts about the Mcs… but none of us know what happened ……….. I’ve only speculated like most others have as well…. and I”m talking about what I’ve learned/read from the media which you know is not always true… so if you don’t mind.. let’s shake hands and bring your thoughts included together and help to bring poor Madie back?? PLEEEEEEEASE??