Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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December 30th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Hi swissmiss
Yes, I remember the very distressing Casa Pia case, and I also read that some of the ‘high ranking’ suspects were involved in the law change regarding child abuse. Apparently a paedophile can only be charged with one account of rape regardless of how many children he has raped at the time of his arrest, and it’s only been illegal in Portugal in the last few years to be in possession of child abuse videos or images. It was only illegal to sell them on but for a man to be in possession of this material was okay. Thankfully that law has now been changed but whether or not it will be taken seriously by the PJ will remain to be seen.
Sorry, I know I’ve posted the above info on more than one occasion-but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded just what a backward country Portugal and many countries like it are. There are some parts of Northern Africa that don’t have any laws at all and anything goes. Let’s all hope and pray that Madeleine isn’t being held in such a place.
What a sick world we live in where little innocent children are at the hands of these evil men (and woman) and all some people are bothered about is what colour jumper (and whether her earrings match) that Kate McCann is wearing and what class they belong to and how big thier house is.
December 30th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Hi all!
Before I forget.. just wishing all of you a very Happy New year! And hoping that it will be a Happy New Year and something finally good for Maddie!!! -
Yes, Maggie.. I know what you mean…. remember that story with the “Casa Pia”? I believe I read that high ranking people such as ambassadors were involved!!!! - Just makes me sick!!! -
Lauren:
Hope you’re right ! Wouldn’t that be really terrible if their friends were behind this ?????? Could you even imagine? But in this case..I’m sure anything could be possible!!!! -
December 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Hi all
Jean-5791-Swissmiss-5792
I’m not a believer in ppl like Brian Ladd but I have been visiting his site since finding out about him and I have to admit he has been right on a lot of things regarding Madeleine and other missing people, and at the end of the day he is helping to keep Madeleine’s profile high.
Being on the outside looking in it does make one wonder why they haven’t arrested RM and beat a confession out of him like they did with the mother who’s little daughter went missing (apparently that’s their style). But then again maybe they are too cowardly to interrogate a man especially one that is in the public eye. All this secrecy stuff and the fact that RM has not been arrested makes me think he is being protected along with his girlfriend/husband by someone very high ranking in Portugal who is the mastermind behind all this, or either they have no physical evidence to arrest him and they made him a suspect just because of a hunch’ which they could do before the law was recently changed. I’ve always said that the Portuguese police will frame the McCann’s, I just hope they never go back to Portugal while they are still suspects.
December 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Re 5785. SwissMiss. No, i dont think any of the friends are involved. But only time will tell.
December 30th, 2007 at 2:27 am
Hi All,
Thankfully, those reports about a body being found are apparently not true!!
From what I understand, the Portuguese legal system works differently, in the sense that they have to collect ALL the evidence they can before charging someone. After they have pressed charges, whatever evidence shows up later, is not admissible in a trial, therefore, even if they found, for example a body and did all their forensic testing on it, they would not be able to use it against anybody. Therefore, in my opinion, the PJ will have to be VERY sure that they have everything they need to proceed with charges before the actually proceed. This is why, I think, they are taking their time and will stretch it as far as legally possible (3 more months, and possibly another 3 afterward). It also, in my opinion, indicates that they DO NOT have everything they need to charge someone, either RM, the parents or anybody else.
I still believe that there is something more to his case than meets the eye. In my opinion, RM has some involvement in it (don’t know to what extend) and am not convinced the parents harmed the child. But, I do believe there is also a cover-up of some sort on the part of the T9s, either related to IVF/illegal adoption, etc. or related to something else. I even thought that the bunch of lies that they have apparently told everybody about time-lines, etc. could have to do with someone in that group having an affair with one of the others? The theory about someone taking revenge on the parents has also crossed my mind.
I believe the PJ guy leading this investigation will be thorough and, in my opinion is not corrupt. The whole World is watching him and his personal reputation is at stake (not only that of Portugal). If he manages to get to the bottom and the truth about this case, he will be a hero to many!
Brian Ladd is another story. I do not believe in premonitions, remote viewing, etc., but it is a fact that some major police dept. around the World have used psychics in the past to help solve cases with good success. That is a fact. Brian Ladd has apparently helped in cases of missing persons in the past, so it does leave me a bit perplexed. I do occasionally read his website about this case.
The new witnesses (sisters) did report in a newspaper article that they had given this information about RM to the police back in May, so, all the speculation in other forums that these two women could be lying to help the parents, is in my opinion rubbish. I wonder why though the police didn’t follow this up initially? Where they so convinced that the parents could be the guilty ones and therefore dismissed any other possibility? BAD!
December 30th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Article from the Daily Post …..
30th December 2007 By Jonathan Corke
KATE and Gerry McCann want to return to Portugal to re-ignite interest in the case of their missing daughter Madeleine.
They will meet with advisers early in the New Year to work out “the best way forward”.
But first they want their status as official suspects lifted.
The hunt for Maddie has virtually been dropped from news schedules in Portugal.
And a close friend of Kate and Gerry, both 39, right, says a return to Portugal may be the only way they can keep locals interested.
It will be the first time they have been back since they left on September 9.
The friend said: “Kate and Gerry have always said they will do whatever it takes to get Madeleine back.
“And if that means returning to Portugal, that’s what they will do.
Kate and Gerry’s lawyers are working very hard on that and will continue to do so Clarence Mitchell
“They can’t let things drift. Although a lot of what has been written and said about them in Portugal has been rubbish, it is important the case is still news. Kate and Gerry’s view is that they can’t allow people to forget about Madeleine.” The McCanns will also relaunch the website designed to help find the four-year-old.
Meanwhile their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the suspect – or “arguido“ – status must be lifted before they return.
He said: “Kate and Gerry’s lawyers are working very hard on that and will continue to do so.
“There has been some hostility towards them in Portugal and all the time there is this cloud hanging over them.
“With the arguido status, a return could start up another media frenzy.”
He added that Kate and Gerry – who are currently staying with relatives in Scotland – are hoping to be re-interviewed by police in Britain next month to “correct any misconceptions”.
December 30th, 2007 at 1:01 am
I still think that RM is involved somehow in Maddie’s case. Having read about Portugal’s so called secrete laws, it seems to me that RM of course knows this… he might have friends in the PJ no doubt about that… their secrete laws makes detectives not allowed in etc……. who ever has done this to Maddie has probably done this before……. and knows his/her way very well in PDL and elsewhere in Portugal. The reason probably that RM wanted to do the translation to begin with is to be sure to be kept first hands on top of the investigation . And I truly believe that these so called sightings are being made by the kidnappers themselves to try and move Maddie from wherever she is now to let the media turn to another area. Notice that there haven’t been any so called sightings for awhile…
December 30th, 2007 at 12:47 am
Hi All
Once again paragraph below is from the Brian Ladd website. If you would care to read every single page of his website on Madeleine Lauren, I think that the word ‘crap’ is rather too extreme, especially when he has been proved to be right on a lot of facts that have come out after he has posted the info. I think the concensus of opinion is that the evidence points squarely in the direction of Robert Murat, who is the person Brian Ladd has pinpointed right from day 1. This of course is my opinion!!
We have been hearing recently that the Portuguese authorities want to keep the arguido status on Mr & Mrs McCann for a further 3 months and then 6 months because the reputation of the Portuguese police and justice system is at stake considering this case concerning missing Madeline McCann has international attention and they do not want to make mistakes.
If that is the case then why after 8 witnesses saying that Robert Murat has lied about his statement have they not arrested him and interrogated him about why he lied, and also his mother who has lied for him.
What does this tell the world about Portuguese justice and their police forces competence to solve a crime based on the facts that are right in front of their eyes - If you was a policeman, lawyer or a judge then is this not a mistake of unimaginable magnitude that the whole world can see?
What reputation can the Portuguese have when they allow this corruption to continue?
I wonder what Robert Murat knows about high ranking Portuguese officials?
If it is true, this is not a case of 8 moths later witnesses appearing from no where, these 2 new witnesses made lengthy statements to Leicestershire police in May shortly after they returned from their holidays.
The incompetent Portuguese police investigation is what has forced them to come forward now because nothing had been done concerning their damning witness evidence that puts Robert Murat and another person at the scene of the crime the night Madeline was abducted, the night he told the police he was sitting in the kitchen with his mother all night and did not leave the house.
Is it only me who thinks that there is something seriously wrong with this investigation, an investigation that has 2 innocent people living under a henious dark cloud while their innocent 4 year old daughter is missing?
Who within Portugal has the heart and the strength to make the right decisions and steps to free these parents from their Portuguese enforced living hell, if not look forward to the European courts of human rights and a considerable multi million pound damages suit for the torment that has been enforced upon innocent people that breaches their human rights.
8 witnesses saying someone is lying is pretty damning evidence dont you think, so what does this do for the reputation of the Portuguese police and justice system.
My thoughts:
Arrest and charge Robert Murat, arrest and charge his mother or cut a deal for the sake of finding out who else was involved in this crime and if you find out Murat’s girlfriend and her ex husband are involved then the one to crack will be the ex husband for the sake of the daughter.
And do the right, just and honourable thing and remove the arguido status from the parents before the end of the year and let them go into 2008 free to fight for the return of their daughter.
Let us hope and pray that 2008 will be the year of miracles.
Didn’t I tell you, that you are very fitting for Robert Murat Mr Francisco Pagarete, no wonder your not available for comment, lets just hope that the reason you are not available is because you and your client are now preparing for the inevitable.
Let us hope and pray that Robert Murat does not do a Fred West on us before the truth is told.
December 30th, 2007 at 12:02 am
Hey Daisy:
I just saw that post you mentioned earlier……. I tried to google info.. but found nothing/zip! If it were true you would think it would be all over the net! -
December 29th, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Thanks Mod and Amin. ….
December 29th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
I’ve been googling madly to see if there’s any news on Portugese sites. Thankfully there’s none. I think it was most likely a hoax from some bored twisted silly little prat!
Am i glad though!!!
December 29th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I have been searching the news channels and i have heard nothing about a body being found. Has anyone else tried, or found anything??
My stomach is in knots here.
December 29th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Been doing the rounds of the forums today, reading the latest theories etc and I’ve stumbled across a really interesting website which has loads and loads of photos I haven’t seem before (the McCanns, Murat, rental car papers etc).
Sorry if I’m repeating info you’ve all already seen but I thought it was worth letting you know just in case you haven’t.
http://www.exposay.com (then type ‘madeleine mccann’ in the search box).
December 29th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Hey Lauren:
So you don’t think that there could be that possibility ? -
December 29th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
SwissMiss, i would think this is just another theory in a long list.
December 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Hey Lauren:
I just think that Maddie’s case could possibly be a case of revenge…? Obrien used to work in Kate’s dept. I believe and he and Tanner had to move to Exeter because of his malpractice allegation. I read all of this at one point but of course I would need to find that article again ……. or you could probably just type his name and malpractice on Google and it might come up. I might be wrong of course… and this is just another theory…….
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Modsand Admin
I have added the word allegation to malpractice,just to be on the safer side
December 29th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
SwissMiss says: I also heard that Tanner/Obrian also had their kids thru IVF………. weird……
SwissMiss says: Anthony / Mike or anyone else… :
have you found out anything else about the 2 malpractices on Obrian and I think was it Oldfield? and /or the IVF treatments??
Why do you find this weird? What relevance is either of these events to Madeleines disappearance
December 29th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Anthony, agree 100% with your comments on Brian Ladd. Absolute crap!
Absolutely devastated reading Daisys post about a body having been found. I really hope this is not true and as Kirstie has already said, there is no body, Madeleine or otherwise.
December 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Oh God Daisy i hope not! I don’t want any child to be found, Madeleine or otherwise!
Anyone heard anymore on this?
I do know -correction- had heard via the press that an old barn was being searched and two areas of interest were to be excavated. An old mine shaft and an area of disturbed earth. Whether this is true or not is another matter????
Praying this is some sicko’s idea of a joke. Disgusting as that is.
Also the Amsterdam connection, the McCs spent around a year there with Madeleine when she was a baby. As for Italy i hadn’t heard about that before only New Zealand where they had lived before they got married, i think.
I am with you Daisy, i too think RM has something to do with this!! If he doesn’t smoke or never has then he can pretty much prove the sisters didn’t see him on that night but if he does then it doesn’t look any better for him than it was anyway.
I had heard he and Malinka had wiped their hard drives…that in itself should ring alarm bells with police? Also if he was put under surviellence on the 4th May why on earth was he allowed to translate interviews with the friends???? how ridiculous if they suspected him of involvment somewhere. He seems to have more restrictions on his movements than the McCs though, says something! (imo)
December 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
—- BODY FOUND??? —–
I was reading comments on another forum about an hour ago and someone posted that he/she had just read a thread in the Mirror UK forums that a Portuguese radio station was reporting:
“a body of a child had been found near a dilapidated barn/farm house, but unsure of gender”
Don’t quote me on this, because it could all be a bad joke from a poster at the Mirror, but also, it could be true?
December 29th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
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Swissmiss Says:
December 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hi Swissmiss,
Re: Murat saying his daughter’s name was “Madeleine”, please read article posted by Mike:
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Mike Says:
December 29th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Re: Tanner IVF - Yes, I have heard that many times in another forum and also, that their daughter was born the same day, same year as Maddie. I don’t know if it is true, buy I have heard it several times as if it is an actual fact.
I don’t think I have ever in my life heard of a case as complicated and twisted as this!!!!
December 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hi everyone:
Hi Daisy:
When did Murat call his daughter Madeleine???? Is there an article to that info??
I also heard that Tanner/Obrian also had their kids thru IVF………. weird……
December 29th, 2007 at 11:49 am
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maggie Says:
December 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Hi Maggie,
I totally agree with you about serious criminals (sex offenders included) having to surrender the passports and be stuck in their own countries. Why do the authorities facilitate their “hunting” by allowing travel?
December 29th, 2007 at 11:46 am
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Swissmiss Says:
December 28th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Hi Swissmiss,
from discussions in other forums, I believe it is pretty much established that the 3 kids are IVF children, or so it is alleged. I believe that this more a case of illegal adoption/surrogate/donor that just IVF. The McCanns spend some time in Amsterdam and Italy, I believe. Does anybody have any information about this, dates, etc.?
December 29th, 2007 at 11:42 am
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kirstie Says:
December 28th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Kirstie,
Australia’s immigration policy is very tough. It took a good 18 months process for me to get my resident visa, with inteviews, full police check and full medical, x-rays, etc, apart from the verification of qualifications, etc., and this was 22 years ago, when terrorism wasn’t such a big issue as it is now-a-days.
December 29th, 2007 at 11:38 am
Why would Murat say that his daughter’s name was Madeleine??? Was he paving the way to be seen with someone called Madeleine in the future sometime, passing her as his daughter??
This guy is strange … and in my humble opinion, involved with her disappearnce!
Did anybody also read that he wiped out both hard drives from his computers before his belongings were searched? Forensics can still retrieve deleted files from computers.
December 29th, 2007 at 11:34 am
I had not realized until reading that article posted by Mike today that when Malinka called Murat’s mothers home, there was no answer! It all looks very suspicious from my point of view.
I wonder, why didn’t the police in the beginning pay any attention to these two sisters’ reports? Of course the speculation is that they are coming forward now (which appears not to be the case as they say they spoke to the police long time ago) to help the McCanns. If the article is correct, and they reported what they saw and Murat’s behavior way back then, I see no reason why I should doubt these two women.
December 29th, 2007 at 11:27 am
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maggie Says:
December 28th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Maggie,
Thanks for the links! Now I can see this guy is not the same as the one in the playground photo.
December 29th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Robert Murat was under close police surveillance since the morning of May 4, the day after Madeleine was abducted
The main suspect (and only one, until now) in the Madeleine McCann abduction, Robert Murat, was under close police surveillance since the morning of May 4, the following day to the child disappearance. From that moment on, all of his movements and contacts were monitored by investigators of Polícia Judiciária (PJ - Portuguese Criminal Investigation Department). On the early hours of that day, after the first journalists arrived at the local, Murat was near the Ocean Club and talked with several of them.
Casually dressed, with jeans, blue plastic sandals and a blue and white chequered shirt, Murat took the initiative to talk with two Portuguese journalists, saying that he knew very well Madeleine’s parents, that they were both doctors, and he was “deeply disturbed with the abduction, because he had a three year old daughter who, by coincidence, was also called Madeleine”. His daughter, as was later revealed, is called Sophia.
During that day, Murat seemed to be everywhere, helping British journalists with translations, buying water in Batista supermarket to take to the GNR policemen guarding the area, asking if there was any news about Madeleine and even giving some predictions, like: “They will never find the child, probably she is already in Spain”, one the first Portuguese journalists at the crime scene told Gazeta Digital. These kinds of comments were also reported by British journalists. Next day, May 5, Saturday, he followed the same pattern. That day, around 7:00 pm, a Portuguese journalist saw him sitting at a table of Batista’s supermarket terrace, chatting with a young man – the Russian computer expert Sergei Malinka who was also questioned by police and is a witness in this case.
But on Sunday, according to Portuguese journalists, Murat seemed to have vanished. Most of them say they never saw him, but some say that he was there, sporadically, and adopting a lower profile. After Sunday, May 6, he didn’t showed up, at all. British Press reported that he went to UK, for a couple of days, and then back to Portugal. Gazeta Digital has learned that Portuguese police was able to get extensive and detailed footage of Murat’s movements and contacts, while he was among journalists and police officers or inside the Ocean Club, during those days.
On May 15, Polícia Judiciária revealed at a Press Conference that they had a formal suspect, a male, 33 years of age, and that he was released, for lack of evidence, but was under a restraining order from the court – meaning he can’t leave this area (“concelho”, a Portuguese municipality). Searches at his mother’s house, where he lives sometimes – sources told Gazeta Digital he has several houses in Algarve – produced a lot of apprehended material that is being analysed at the Portuguese Police Scientific Laboratory. British Police - which has several experts working with the Portuguese police - was informed about the material, but analysis is being done only in the Portuguese Laboratory. Results of the most important analysis were expected today, May 19, according to SIC, a Portuguese TV Channel.
Murat was taken to Polícia Judiciária headquarters in Portimão on May 14 and went under interrogation for 14 hours. About the night Madeleine disappeared, he said that he was at home with his mother, and had dinner there – an information that was confirmed by Jennifer Murat.
But police detected several phone calls from Murat to a few friends, asking them if they have been together at that night, also according to CM. Another detail is the fact that Sergei Malinka called Murat, at that night, twice – first, his mother’s home number and, as nobody answered, his mother’s mobile – between 11:30 and 11:40 pm.
December 29th, 2007 at 9:24 am
By Caroline Gammell
Last Updated: 2:56am GMT 29/12/2007
Two British holidaymakers involved in the search for Madeleine McCann have claimed a man they thought was Robert Murat, the first formal suspect in the case, was outside the apartment on the night the little girl disappeared.
The 33-year-old property developer has always maintained he was at home when Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3 and has denied having anything to do with her disappearance.
But it has been reported that two women staying at the same resort claimed to have seen the man resembling Murat, who is an “arguido” or formal suspect in the case, smoking a cigarette only yards from the McCanns’ apartment.
They also claimed they saw two blond, tanned men acting suspiciously near the McCanns’ holiday home on the afternoon before Madeleine went missing.
Annie Wiltshire an her sister Jayne Jensen said they tried to tell Portuguese police at the time and then tried to speak to police in the UK without success.
They were not on the original police list of potential witnesses because their apartment was not in the same block as the McCanns’.
They finally spoke to the British authorities two months ago.
The details were passed onto Kate and Gerry McCann’s private detective agency in Spain, Metodo 3, but have only just emerged.
The women, both thought to be in their 40s from Aylesford in Kent, were on a two-week holiday in the Algarve at the same time as the McCanns and became friends through tennis.
They were staying in an apartment nearby and on the day Madeleine disappeared, they say they saw two men in a neighbouring apartment acting suspiciously.
A source close to the investigation said: “The sisters saw two men wearing trunks, standing on a balcony, whom they had not seen before. They just felt that they looked odd, but didn’t do anything about it.”
Later that night, Madeleine vanished and the women helped with the search. The following morning, Mrs Jensen is said to have remembered seeing a man smoking a cigarette outside the McCanns’ apartment.
On the evening of May 4 - after Murat had volunteered as a police interpreter - the sisters were having a drink with a third friend discussing the case when he is said to have walked past.
“He doubled back and asked them if everything was alright,” said the source.
“They asked him for a drink and he joined them briefly. He was wearing a navy blue t-shirt and jeans and was very sweaty.
“He said he had to go for a shower because he had been in the same clothes all day, but Jayne claimed she had seen him in a striped shirt and trousers earlier.
Mrs Wiltshire showed a Portuguese police officer the apartment where the two blond men had been staying, but it was empty.
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “These women have given a statement and we are very grateful to them for the information.
“We continue to appeal for any witnesses who have not yet come forward to do so.”
Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley in Leicestershire, remain arguidos in their daughter’s case