Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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January 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am
Let’s hope that something comes of the new reports that the private detectives are following up new leads in Morocco.
January 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 am
Hi Lauren
Re your post ……..
5834
Lauren Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
5818 Jean, Paedophiles dont live in this country in high numbers, is that what you are saying? You think there are less here than in Portugal, based on what? You think child abuse images are not viewed, filmed or sold in this country? Why, because we have a law that says its illegal to do so? I dont think the laws we have deter anyone who is this way inclined from acting on their vile urges. Just because we have laws in place, does not make the UK forward thinking per say. Because these vile acts are committed against children, every day, in this country. But what are we actually doing to fight to get these perverts kept behind bars where they belong? We should be shouting from the roof tops to get tougher laws set in place. It is not acceptable that children are being hurt, harmed, killed so that this filth can get their kicks. As someone said on here before, paedophilia is not something that can be cured, its a sexual preference. Therefore, how can a paedophile ever truly live in our community and never present a danger to our children?
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I completely agree with you.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
1. Mods and Admin said-You will accept it as final.
We are here to keep peace and order, those who choose not to accept this can leave the forum
If you job is to keep peace and order then you have failed. In my opinion you have taking the side of the core trouble maker and not given me any support at all. I have always accepted and maintained peace and order on this forum. This will be my last post on this forum so any reply won’t be read.
Let’s hope that 2008 will bring Madeleine home to her family where she belongs.
To all the posters who supported me, thank you.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Mods and Admin, re my post 5835. Could you please reply when you find time. Thank you
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mods and Admin
Have replied to your earlier post, its attached to it. Have also emailed you.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
5852 Mike, thank you for that. I know you and i have butted heads from time to time via our posts. But thank you for recognising that i havent been attacking against the McCanns, other than the comments i made regards leaving the children. I do beleive in innocence until proven guily, but equally for all suspected parties involved in this case. I have stated several times, i hope that the McCanns are not involved for the sake of the twins as they have already lost so much.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
5842 Re the Mods and Admins comment. The reason you gave, that no one knows for sure exactly what has happened to Madeleine, is the reason i am neither pro or anti McCann. All i am interested in, is the truth. I keep being accused of being anti McCann, which i have stated on several occasions i think is a stupid stance to take, unless you know them personally of course and have a reason to feel strongly either way.
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Mods and Admin
Lauren, the whole of the point of all discusssion is about what happened to Madeleine, or it should be. But in all the media and discussion forums she has become the collateral damage in all this. Her parents are not the focus, or should not be the focus. As you say, the truth and Madeleine should be.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
In defence of Lauren, although she can be a pain in the neck, (of course this couldn’t be said of me, lol) she has always said that in her view both the McCann’s and Robert Murat are innocent until proven guilty. As far as I can see her only criticism is for the McCann’s leaving their children alone.
And without raking over old ground and repeating myself, yes, we all know the parents made a mistake, none better than Kate and Jerry themselves and they must live with the consequences for the remainder of their lives. However, the reason their child is still the lead story in most newspapers and TV News is down to the extremely well orchestrated and slick campaign they are running, funded by generous public donations. Yes, their intelligence has given them an advantage over a less well educated couple, their friends are of similar intellect and together they have put together a sustained effort to keep the missing child in the forefront of the news. GOOD FOR THEM!! I too would employ every advantage I had if I were in a similar position. Don’t knock them for using their inherent skills. The innuendo and rumour must be excrutiating for them but they are now trying to get the focus back on finding their missing daughter and who can blame them. Let’s hope they are successful in their efforts, are reunited with their daughter (or at least have some closure) and clear their previously good names.
And hoping that this latest significant lead brings MADELEINE home.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Mods & admin,
The issue of soiled nappies and rotten meat in a hire car is truly gross, and if i’m honest was one explanation that raised an eyebrow with me! Not entirely sure i beleive that they would have transported such items- i imagine they would have to be unbagged and open as it were to leave traces?? Hmmm.
Hope my post was deemed ok, i certainly didn’t mean it to be libellous to anyone- even in my New years state of fag-lessness!!!!
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Mods and Admin
Those items were put up by the McCanns when the reports of body fluids came back from the Birmingham laboratory taken as a result of tests after the cadaver dogs were employed.
I agree they are disgusting, but saying nothing was a viable option
Libel is very difficult to define, which is why more than one of us makes the decision.
January 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm
5845 Maggie I am not anti McCann. I am anti child neglect. I have never accused them of anything, as nothing has been proven against them. Other than the obvious, leaving the children alone, which has been covered several times. I have never said anything against the McCanns personally, as i dont know them. All i have commented on, are the facts as we know them.
January 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm
5848 - Mike
Thanks!
January 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
re post 5846.
DAILY MAIL 24 Hour News
Hunt for Madeleine switches back to Morocco as detectives chase ’significant’ new lead
Last updated at 14:28pm on 1st January 2008
January 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
5846 Mike
‘Hunt for Madeleine switches back to Morocco as detectives chase ’significant’ new lead‘
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When posting ‘quotes’ can you make sure you provide the source of that information so readers can check the veracity of the information themselves
January 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Hunt for Madeleine switches back to Morocco as detectives chase ’significant’ new lead
Last updated at 14:28pm on 1st January 2008
The hunt for missing Madeleine took a dramatic twist yesterday as attention switched back to Morocco.
Private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency working for Kate and Gerry McCann, have made another visit to the north African country to investigate a potentially important new lead.
Investigators are reportedly convinced that Madeleine, four, was snatched to order and is being hidden in the Rif Mountains.
A source close to the case described the new lead as “significant”.
Metodo 3 detectives have since returned to Spain, where the agency’s boss Francisco Marco has ordered a review of their investigation ahead of a new focus on Morocco this year.
He remains adamant that the North African country is the most likely place for Madeleine to have been smuggled to after she disappeared from the Algarve.
His detectives travelled there last month amid claims that they had narrowed down a region in the Rif Mountains where the four-year-old could have been held.
But the expedition is not thought to have given them a breakthrough in the case.
The agency has been silent about its operations in secret since Mr Marco was reprimanded by the McCanns for his public boasts that he would find Madeleine within six months and hoped to have her home by Christmas.
January 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
No- sorry admin I do not accept what you have to say about me as final. From the very beginning Laurens post have been fiercely anti-mccan yet she was never ‘told off’ for using the forum as a McCann forum. She has attacked each and every one of us –we ALL can’t be wrong! You may have told her to stop the bullying but is she taking any notice-no!
I make an observation/comment that she never acknowledged paedophilia and very rarely talked about Madeleine and that all her posts were anti- McCann, since then her posts are about Madeleine and child abuse with the same views as me, yet she is still attacking me. I refer to post 5839 (and that is just one of many). Lauren is NOT attacking the POST she is attacking the POSTER!!
I think you are being extremely unfair in your comments. Lauren is the trouble maker on this forum and you know it yet you choose to do nothing! What are you reasons for not reprimanding her?
I know you have the final say but that doesn’t mean you are right in your verdict and I also know you have the power to bar people from this forum and if you choose to bar me then so be it-I am past caring. This has always been a peaceful forum and that’s why I am still here, yet you allow people like Lauren to insult , offend and stir up trouble and expect us to say or do nothing- there are plenty of aggressive forums where trouble maker are welcome, why you allow them on a peaceful one is beyond me!
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Mods and Admin
You will accept it as final.
We are here to keep peace and order, those who choose not to accept this can leave the forum
January 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
5842 Mods and Admin
In my opinion, the whole sad story has become about manslaughter/murder. Some people are convinced that the child is dead, that she was killed by the mother and that there is a cover-up because of that. The small survey in the “Truth For Madeliene” website indicates about 72 % believe the parents killed her. Very few of us believe there could be another possibility, i.e. abduction. I personally don’t think she wandered off alone.
Cases like this, when there are children involved, evoke some strong feelings in the public and hence the posters get somewhat aggressive at times. Shouldn’t be, but they (posters) are hiding behind the annonimity of their user-name, therefore, some believe that they are entitled to abuse others.
January 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Mods and Admin-The whole of a paragraph in that post from you was telling someone off
Mods and Admin
I wasn’t ‘telling off’ anyone, just voicing my opinion. And to be fair if one is being personally attacked they have every right to defend themselves. Let’s face it these attackers are getting away with it with very little reprimand from you. As you can see I am still being attacked by the same person and the attack has nothing to do with Madeleiene - just stiring up troube as usual.
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Mods and Admin
Not true, several of the newer posters on this particular thread have been told not to bully. Attack the viewpoint by all means but not the poster.
As its a New Year could you all on this thread show some tolerance to each other.
And might we take this opportunity that Mods and Admin have the final say, it is NOT open for debate, and this is goingto be the final utterance in this matter.
January 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
5839
Lauren Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Lauren,
There are many forums everywhere, some are populated by people who are mostly anti-McCann, some by people who mostly sit near the fence (one way or another) and some where people mostly believe the parents have not been proven guilty of anything regarding the disappearance of Maddie ( … and I think most believe they acted irresponsibly when leaving the children alone.)
I have experienced myself in another Anorak thread (mostly anti-McCann), what people do if someone doesn’t agree with them, to the point that it became personal. “Closed mind” and “blinkered mindset”, as you put it regarding Maggie and others here, is, in my opinion, a shade of personal attack on a person. Why can’t we just respect the others viewpoints without such remarks?
I think we can all have our views and theories and not become personal. If we disagree, we should just accept it and continue with our discussions regarding the aspects of this case or related issues.
This case, so far, is not “black and white”. There are many shades of grey! You have chosen one and I have chosen a completely different one, and so have the others who post here or somewhere else. That is everybody’s entitlement!
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Mods and admin
This is the thing , what is it people are accusing the McCanns of? - leaving their children exposed to danger , yes. But other than that does anyone KNOW what happened. It could be abduction, it could be that Madeleine fell and fatally wounded herself, she may have choked or wandered off and came to grief as a result.
People say ‘they did it’ other say ‘they didn’t’ but did or didn’t do what?
January 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Jean-5818 and 5839
Please please don’t respond to the bit about me, honestly it’s not worth the agro. This is not about me and my past posts are really not that important to get sidetracked away from the real issue here which is Madeleine.
The post below is about the search for Madeleine:
I have said many time on this forum that I believe the McCann to be innocent of any involvement in hurting Madeleine apart from the obvious. I still believe them to be innocent and I do all I can to support them! The reason I support them is to give them the strength to carry on their search for Madeleine, if the McCann’s end up in prison or in any mental state that stops them from looking then Madeleine will be forgotten, swept under the table and will end up just another anonymous statistic, and I also believe that if they did not have the twins to consider they would probably be out there physically looking- but in reality that is not possible.
That is my opinion and if certain persons don’t like it –tough!
January 1st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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kirstie Says:
January 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Kristie,
If GM allegedly publicly stated that he is MM’s biological father, it is not necessarily a fact. We would need to see paperwork (although papers can be forged), blood types and whatever DNA there might be of Maddie to ascertain who the biological father is, which I don’t believe has been published anywhere. Anyhow, all this is just speculation and another of many possibilities surrounding this case, in my opinion.
If in fact RM’s sister runs an adoption agency, this, in my opinion, could also be a possible link? Illegally obtained children for wealthy parents is not something new in the World. We have all heard of it in the past.
I really hope that the PJ are “leaving no stones unturned” in this case and that they get to the bottom of this soon.
January 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Jean, re 5818. In answer to your post and your comment about Maggie, show me one post from Maggie that even considers the parents of Madeleine McCann may have been involved in her disappearance. Hence, my comment about a closed mind. Of course Maggie isnt the only one with this blinkered mindset. How can you be interested in the truth if you have already decided who is guilty and who is innocent? Isnt that up to the police and the courts to decide, based on evidence? I am not saying that the McCanns are involved. I dont know, who is involved. But there are way too many people on here, that do use this forum as some kind of support group for the parents of Madeleine McCann. The McCanns are after all official suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, just the same as Robert Murat. Ok, innocent until proven, yes, proven, guilty. But doesnt that also extend to Robert Murat? And as far as i am aware, he hasnt been proven guilty of anything, to date. We can all speculate. But as all 3 are official suspects, there is no reason why this speculation should stop at Robert Murat because certain posters on here cannot stand anything negative being implied about the Kate and Gerry McCann.
And before anyone rushes to assume i am some kind of fan of Robert Murat. I dont know anyone involved in this. If Murat has, as it has been alleged, child abuse images, on his pc. Then he is scum as far as i am concerned. But also, how can i also be in support of people who left 3 children alone night after night, so they could go out and party with their friends? I am not a supporter of child abusers or people who neglect their children by any means.
January 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Lauren 5835- No they can’t.
Mods & Admin,
i have just re-read my post that is awaiting moderation and i honestly don’t think i put anything down that was libellous. I wrote suspected (or was that your edited version???? i am seriously confused Lol!) paedophilia (re RM pc) and only if’s concerning the guilt of RM and the McC’s.
I understand your point on the returning of the pc speaking volumes, but the same could be said for the returning of the McC’s hire car? something that has been strongly critisised in the press, but something people who do not believe the Mcc’s innocence could think about also perhaps? Could it be the pc was returned to moniter the emails incoing/outgoing as the car was fitted with a tracker ….allegedly!
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Mods and admin
I am unable to clarify points of law on here, its now up to Admin.
We were not discussing the hire car, but the contents albeit unknown of Murat’s computer, and that was the reason I pulled your post, no other. As we are liable for what you post, we have the right to withold it until we are agreed on the point at issue. The point I made about his computer being returned and he wasn’t arrested should clarify the legality of what was on the computer. The McCanns haven’t been arrested for the contents of the boot of the hire car either, albeit soiled nappies and rotten meat would be pretty disgusting if one hired the car after them?
January 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Kate and Gerry McCann were devastated when they were told posters featuring their daughter Madeleine were being taken down from shop windows in Praia da Luz.
The story has also dropped out of Portuguese newspapers and is rarely featured on television.
Now the couple say they are prepared to go back to the Algarve resort from where Madeleine vanished nearly eight months ago.
They are also ready for a new round of media interviews to get four-year-old Madeleine back in the public eye.
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But first they hope they can soon persuade Portuguese police to remove their status as “arguidos” or suspects.
Kate and Gerry, both 39, expect to be interviewed by detectives next month. If police clear them they would be free to return to the Algarve for the first time since September 9, without having a cloud of suspicion hanging over them.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “We’ve said from the outset that they would go back if it would help the investigation.
“At the moment we just want to concentrate on getting the arguido status lifted so that it’s no longer a distraction to anyone in the search to find Madeleine.
“If their arguido status were lifted we would review everything and we’ve said all along that there are reasons why they might go back to Portugal. They have friends there, there are religious sites they would like to visit and of course there is the link with Madeleine and the need to keep her disappearance in people’s minds.”
A friend of the couple said they hoped to persuade the man in charge of the police investigation, Paulo Rebelo, to clear their names within weeks.
He added: “The most likely next step is that the police will come to Britain to speak to Kate and Gerry and their friends.”
“If they did go back at any point they would make it clear they were going back of their own volition not because they were being summoned.
“But if they were cleared as arguidos then it would change everything.
“They would be cleared in the eyes of the judicial system and technically in the eyes of the world, although they realise that there will always be some people who view them with suspicion. They would be free to speak about the case and to carry out any publicity work to appeal for help to find Madeleine.
“Of course, they hope that the police interviews in Britain will help that process and that they will be eliminated from the investigation.
“They are ready and waiting and will welcome them. They just want to get on with it so they can convince Paulo Rebelo that he hasn’t got a case against them.”
The couple are desperate to keep publicising the plight of their daughter, who disappeared from their holiday apartment at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz on May 3.
There was a huge response to Kate and Gerry’s TV broadcast just before Christmas, when their private investigators took 347 calls with potential new leads.
There has also been a new publicity blitz in Morocco, where the Kate and Gerry’s team believe Madeleine may have been taken.
More than 11,000 posters featuring Madeleine’s photo and details are being sent to remote towns and villages in the north African country.
Schools, supermarkets and medical centres will also get the posters, which are printed in French and Arabic.
The McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and maintain that she was abducted.
Ex-pat Robert Murat, 34, the first person to be made an arguido in the case, hit back yesterday at new claims he was near the apartment the night Madeleine vanished.
He has always maintained he was at home with his mother Jenny, 71, that evening.
But sisters Annie Wiltshire, 58, and Jayne Jensen, 54, from Kent, claimed he was smoking outside the main reception of the resort 30 minutes after Madeleine was reported missing.
Murat’s mother yesterday dismissed the new allegations.
She said: “People who say he was outside Madeleine’s apartment that night are telling lies.”
January 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Hi All,
nothing like a new years knuckle rapping to get the day started!
I am sorry if my post seemed libelous(sp) but i thought i had put, ‘apparently, if, alleged’ etc that sort of thing, because i know we cannot trust all that we read in the press. I am aware that so much about RM, SM, KM, GM may be a load of mince, and the only people who know what is right and what’s not is them. I think my post showed that i was not making assumptions nor libellous remarks but more stating IFS. Which is all we have, ifs and maybes!
I am also sorry if my defending Maggie was seen as a personal attack on Lauren but it really does seem to be that certain people stir it up in anticipation of a reaction and when that reaction does come it is them who are told off. I am quite shocked also by that. I just feel because people are subtle in their provocation doesn’t mean they are above knuckle rapping themselves imo. It is awful to feel like you have to watch your every word and apologise for whatever you say when in defense of oneself or another.
Daisy, interesting point about RM’s mother providing an alibi for herself….hadn’t thought of it that way. Again, just a thought, not jumping to any conclusions here.
Also, aren’t sperm donors anonymous, or at least untill the child reaches a certain age? (in the UK anyway??!) I am not so sure the donor or the recipient would be aware of each other or any resulting babies, unless of coarse this is a private arrangment. Anyway i am sure i read that Gerry had to publicly say he was Madeleines biological father because speculation was so rife.
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Mods and Admin
The wording has to be in legalese, so it cannot possibly be misinterpreted. Your post will be put back later when its been reviewed
January 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Mods and admin re Maggies post 5829. In this post Maggie states that you have received complaints about me from other people posting on here? I have never seen anyone on here actually complaining about me to you, via a post addressed to you. So how would Maggie have knowledge that people are complaining about me to you?
January 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
5818 Jean, Paedophiles dont live in this country in high numbers, is that what you are saying? You think there are less here than in Portugal, based on what? You think child abuse images are not viewed, filmed or sold in this country? Why, because we have a law that says its illegal to do so? I dont think the laws we have deter anyone who is this way inclined from acting on their vile urges. Just because we have laws in place, does not make the UK forward thinking per say. Because these vile acts are committed against children, every day, in this country. But what are we actually doing to fight to get these perverts kept behind bars where they belong? We should be shouting from the roof tops to get tougher laws set in place. It is not acceptable that children are being hurt, harmed, killed so that this filth can get their kicks. As someone said on here before, paedophilia is not something that can be cured, its a sexual preference. Therefore, how can a paedophile ever truly live in our community and never present a danger to our children?
January 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
hi everyone:
Hope you all had a nice evening last nght -
Happy 2008!
Oh my goodness Daisy… no I never read anything like that about RM having done that. Could that be possible??? Is that why his daughter looks so much like Maddie? And she truly does……. she is the only so far tha really ressembles her. (just my opinion)
Mike, are you able to find something out?????
January 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Daisy-5830
I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that RM sister runs an adoption agency in Exeter. Exeter does seem to crop up from time to time. But apparently it’s all legal and above board, or so it seems. I’m not sure if this is true or more speculation from the media.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Mod and Admin
I wasn’t aware that I was lecturing people, I’m just given my opinion on how I feel about things.
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Mods adnAdmin
The whole of a paragraph in that post from you was telling someone off
January 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I have mentioned before that I sense there is more to this than just the disappearance of a little girl. I have speculated about illegal adoption/surrogate/donor before. Also, there are allegations that the parents knew RM, although the father has apparently denied this.
Recently I came across a comment on another forum (unfortunately have not been able to find a link to the speculation) that maybe the connection is that RM could have been a sperm donor to the couple? Also, someone mentioned in another forum that allegedly the parents had a row before May 3 and that KM went to see RM at his house. Does anybody have any information about this?
If RM’s mother is providing him with an alibi, what is there to say that she might also be involved in this and therefore providing an alibi for herself by allegedly saying that her son was with her the evening in question? She appears, in my opinion, like the matriarc of that family.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Mods and Admin
I’m quite shocked that you felt you have to reprimand me. I have never said this was a support group for the McCann’s’ but it’s inevitable that they will be talked about and in my opinion they should be supported and like it’s been said many times we are all entitled to that, nor have I asked anyone to leave the group -just wished and hoped they would.
I don’t want to ‘attack’ anyone on this forum nor do I want to be attacked. Most of us on here are civilised and can agree to disagree in a friendly and adult like manner.
All of laurens posts to me have been aggressive which started after I supported Isla when she was being attacked by the very same person, and you yourself have received quite a few complaints about her posts in the past, not from me might I add. From day one she has been rude and unpleasant and very much attacked the poster. I’m sure by now you know how I feel about the law and child abuse, yet post 5815 is a personal attack on me because everything that is written I agree with, yet she chose to attack me. Also an opinion is not about being right or wrong it’s about one having an opinion-yet I got attacked for that.
From time to time you have to intervene on this forum and sometimes it’s with regards to some aggressive person trying to cause trouble, and that person is not me!