Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Lauren:
I’m just going by post # 5908. That’s all!!! - so please don’t try and read something into it .
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks for the welcome jeannie are you the moderator?
i thought that robert was made argudo so he couldnt talk now they are saying he will get a million pounds when he talks
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Mods and Admin
Mabel-lucy,
Welcome to Anorak, hope you enjoy your visit and return also.
We do have a lot of other threads going, which are much busier and livelier also.
But the format will be changing very soon, and there will be only one thread available to post on, and the best of the posts put up for Backlash.
For quite some time I was solo Mod, but we now have two more: Duncan R and Carmen, both very fair and reasonable people. June
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Hi Mabel-Lucy
Welcome to the forum.
I don’t believe they have any more evidence against the parents then they do RM. If the evidence was that good against them, why haven’t they arrested them? It is all inconclusive to my understanding, that is why I asked. Also, if they did not have any evidence against RM, why have they held him so long in this status? None of this makes sense to me
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
5911 SwissMiss, who says there is more evidence against the Murat than the McCanns?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
swiss miss
it said that next to my name for a while but now its gone - dont know
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
even if robert was there and lied that he wasnt it doesnt mean he had anything to do with madeleine it might be that he was up to something else he didnt want to own up to. if he really was there when these people say he was there then what did he do with maddy when he was having a cigarette and before irish man claims he saw him walking down to beach carrying maddy. he cant have just put her in a bag and hung around having a cigarette can he.
seems to me that if six people say they saw him there it proves hes a liar but also proves that he couldnt be the person who moved maddy so unless pj can prove that the reason he lied was because of something else illegal and charge him with something different then all these witnesses actually mean he will be released.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
HI Mabel-Lucy and welcome to the forum !:)-
what do you mean “waiting for the moderator? Where do you see that?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Hi Jeannie:
I know.. I don’t understand that either… how can his status be changed immediately and not the parents? Don’t the have more evidence on Murat then they have on the Mcs?? - - Also…. if the Mcs had something to do with Maddie if she did die as far as the blood on the walls are concerned. If she had died.. wouldn’t there have been more blood?? I don’t think she is dead… -I just wish that Cuddle’s cat could talk especially now!!! - I truly hope that Maddie has been put into a family for adoption and not the other part……. knowing for a fact that a lot of people are looking for Maddie’s “type” blonde hair. I work for a legal adoption agency and most families who come thru us that’s what they are looking for.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
what does it mean ‘waiting for moderator? havent done this before have i done something wrong
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
5908
jeannie
would this be because they haven’t got any evidence against robert but they have against the prime suspects kate and gerry?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I am confused as to why it seems that RM’s status can be changed so much easier than the parents, as the evidence against all them seems to be inconclusive at best. Any one have any thoughts on that??
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
HI everyone:
Hey Mike:
I just read your article # 5901. That’s the first time I heard that Murat is a father of 2 ?? - Who is the other child??? It’s always has been referred to him as having one child only?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Susan f
Totally agree with your post regarding RM.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
how can they even think of releasing murats status when so many people are prepared to blow his alibi apart? they say there’s no smoke without fire and in most cases its true, so he should stay a suspect until they are absolutely possitive he is telling the truth, but why would so many people accuse him of lieing? and what a nasty calculating person he is if all he can think about is how much he can earn out of it, i’m sorry but i really believe he knows something. hope everyone had a good christmas and new year, madeleine was always in my mind and my only wish for 2008 is for her to be returned to her family, i shall keep praying and hoping. bye all.
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Mods and Admin
There does seem to be a question of mistaken identity, the barrister quoted hasn’t sworn it was him.
I think a lot of people would agree its dreadful to make money from such a tragedy
January 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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Karen Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 am
Jean
I mean you’re a vile person.
You agree with someone who thinks we should rot in hell for posting on a forum even though we all have different ideas and opinions and have the guts to defend and explain them.
You’re glad someone had the nerve to be nasty - but it wasn’t you, was it. You quoted the post on your own forum expecting no one from our forum would see it. That’s sneaky. You’re a coward.
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Karen - I had no need whatsoever to copy this post. I think the comments in it are relevant to some of the posters on OTHER FORUMS who just make sad and petty comments about Madeleine and the situation she is in. As numerous people on here have made comment before about the insulting comments made on other forums, I thought, wrongly apparently, that this comment by this man would be of interest. I am not a vile and sneaky person and I think that you are completely out of order to make these statements. You do not know me, and after your comments I am quite pleased that I don’t know you!!!!!
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You may think so Jean, but we did not like the violence expressed in the post concerned. The poster is an unknown to us, a one- off sensationalist.
There are very rarely insulting posts towards Madeleine, any that have been made have been removed immediately on sight. People who judge her parents as neglectful are not insulting anyone, least of all Madeleine, infact the greatest insult to her is that she seems to have become the ‘also ran’ in this sorry saga.
And may we remind you this is not ‘your’ forum, it belongs to Anorak and is subject to closure at any time
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
DAILY MAIL 24 HOUR NEWS
The McCanns bring in cold-case detectives to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance
By DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN - More by this author »
Last updated at 00:48am on 3rd January 2008
Kate and Gerry McCann have hired a former Met Police officer to carry out a “cold case” review into Madeleine’s disappearance.
Noel Hogan, a former CID detective, has spent hundreds of hours interviewing British witnesses in the case.
He has also gone through each witness’s existing statements line by line. Among those he has interviewed include the socalled “Tapas seven” who were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz last May.
He is also thought to have taken Kate and Gerry McCann through their own statements in minute detail.
Mr Hogan spent eight years in the Met where he reached the rank of detective superintendent.
Since 1986 he has run his own detective agency in Surrey, Hogan International, which claims to have extensive experience dealing with missing-person cases.
Mr Hogan had been investigating one of the 7/7 suicide bombers before the terror attacks in 2005 after the man’s bank became suspicious of his spending patterns.
When contacted by the Daily Mail, Mr Hogan confirmed that he had spoken to many of the holidaymakers now back in Britain.
He said: “I have been reinterviewing a number of the witnesses that were out in Portugal at the time.”
He added that his investigation would tie in with the enquiry being conducted by the Spanish detective agency Metodo 3 in Barcelona.
Since four-year- old Madeleine’s disappearance, well-wishers have contributed over £1million to the fund to help find her.
The McCanns have spent much of this money on Metodo 3, which is being paid £50,000 a month to lead the search for their daughter.
However, the couple are understood to have become increasingly disillusioned with the firm, after its head detective Francisco Marco made a series of wild public statements.
Police make the initial search of the McCann’s holiday apartment
Mr Marco claimed to know for a fact that the missing toddler was being kept in North Africa and would be home by Christmas.
But yesterday a source close to the family said that Kate and Gerry were keeping faith with Metodo 3 in spite of their concerns.
But the source confirmed that they have also authorised the employment of Mr Hogan to coordinate the UK end of the investigation.
The McCanns’ official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, declined to comment.
Metodo 3 are currently trying to re-interview an Irish family who said they saw a man carrying away a child on the night Madeleine disappeared.
Martin Smith and his family-from Drogheda in Co. Louth, told police about the sighting - which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner.
They described a barefoot child and a man wearing beige trousers walking towards the beach in Praia da Luz, about 400yards from the McCanns’ holiday apartment.
However, they said that the man was definitely not official suspect Robert Murat, whom they had met before and would have recognised.
Mr Smith even flew back to Portugal to give evidence but said he had not been contacted by police since making a statement in May.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Hi Jeannie
I heard a couple of days after Madeleine went missing that someone had seen a child being carried towards the beach but I can not remember their name. This is just like the news of Robert Murat trying to hire the car in a hurry. They are both stories which were reported a while back, nothing much said and then they come out again months later. Probably due to the M3 now investigating (hopefully) everything. However, it is good that these stories come around again, at least it is keeping Madeleine in the news. Although the press have at sometimes not been kind to the Madeleine’s family, so far they are not allowing Joe public to forget her. Lets hope these continues until she is found, especially as now they appear to be back on the abduction theory.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 am
Daily Mail 24 hour news
Madeleine: New police report names Gerry and Kate McCann as prime suspects
Last updated at 09:18am on 3rd January 2008
Gerry and Kate McCann’s hopes of being cleared over their daughter’s disappearance were crushed today after they were reportedly named as prime suspects in a new police report.
The couple had hoped to have their arguido status lifted on the eighth-month anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance from their Algarve holiday flat.
But instead they are facing up to the possibility that they may never clear their names after learning police still believe they killed the four-year-old by accident and disposed of her body
The McCanns bring in cold-case detectives to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance
Madeleine suspect Robert Murat tells police: ‘Charge me or clear me’
According to Portuguese daily Correio da Manha, the new report which blames the McCanns for Madeleine’s death will be handed in later today.
The paper claims the couple could also end up being charged with perjury and wasting police time by asking police to help find their daughter.
The interim report is thought to be part of a prosecution request to extend the eight-month deadline against the McCanns and fellow suspect Robert Murat.
Public prosecutors are planning to make the request to keep police files on them secret later today when Portuguese courts resume their work after the festive break.
The theory Madeleine was kidnapped, top of the police list of hypotheses when expat Murat was made an official suspect on May 14, also forms part of the Policia Judiciaria report.
Robert Murat’s lawyer has said it would be ‘cruelty’ if he is not cleared over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
But Correio da Manha claims it was only because he was still an arguido - and the idea Madeleine was abducted has lost credibility during the police investigation as evidence pointing to the four-year-old’s death has emerged.
The paper said formal requests for UK interviews with the so-called Tapas Nine would also be handed in later today to court officials in the Algarve town of Portimao.
British police are set to be asked to interview Gerry and Kate’s friends first before turning their attentions to the McCanns.
A decision on whether to clear the couple and Murat, 34, or charge them is not expected to be taken until after the fresh interrogations have taken place.
A source close to Portuguese investigators said: “We will not be in a position to conclude the process until the formal requests for interviews have been carried out.” Under a new Portuguese penal code, official suspects can apply to see case files against them after eight months and ask to be cleared or charged.
But the deadline, which in the Madeleine McCann case is expected to run out on January 14, can be extended by a judge at the request of public prosecutors.
Last night Gerry and Kate McCann, 39, were warned they could face a lifetime of suspicion.
Antonio Martins, President of the National Union of Portuguese Judges, said: “The problem at the moment is that no-one knows what type of crime was committed.
“If it was homicide, suspects can still be tried for up to 20 years after the crime was committed.
“If it was kidnap, 15 years.”
Antonio Cabrita, President of the Faro Lawyers’ Association, described the January 14 deadline as “merely indicative” as none of the three official suspects in the Madeleine McCann case were in custody.
He added: “On January 14, the Public Prosecution Service can close the inquiry, shelving it or making formal accusations.
“If one thing or another doesn’t happen, the process doesn’t finish.”
The McCanns believe their daughter was kidnapped on the orders of a paedophile gang and is most probably being held in Morocco. They deny any involvement in her disappearance.
Dad-of-two Robert Murat also insists he is innocent.
His lawyer Francisco Pagarete has said it would be a “cruelty” if he is not cleared and allowed to get on with the rest of his life as soon as possible.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:03 am
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Jeannie Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 am
Jeannie,
I read about it today in another forum, but never seen anything about this family before.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 am
Hi All,
I got this for MJ site. Wonder if anyone heard this before? New to me.
Thursday, January 03, 2008
Irish family’s Maddie quiz
Private detectives hunting for Madeleine McCann are to quiz an Irish family who may have been the last to see her alive. (The Sun 3rd January 2007)
Martin Smith, his wife and children told cops they saw a man carrying a little blonde girl in Praia da Luz on the night Maddie vanished. Investigators from the Metodo 3 agency hired by Maddie’s parents Gerry and Kate are preparing to travel to Ireland to interview them.
The family, from Drogheda, Co Louth, believe they saw the man taking the sleeping tot down to the beach at the Portuguese resort. The Smiths were leaving Kelly’s Bar — 400 metres from the McCanns’ apartment — between 9.50 and 10pm on May 3 last year. They flew home to Ireland the next day, but when the times of Maddie’s abduction were revealed, the family remembered seeing a man, 5ft 7in to 5ft 9in tall and dressed in beige, carrying the child. Significantly the description matches that given by Jane Tanner, 37, a friend of the McCanns.
Mr Smith, who has already spoken to Portuguese cops over the sighting, said yesterday: “I’d talk to anyone to move this investigation on. I think about Maddie every day.” He added: “I found the Portuguese cops not to be the most efficient bunch.”
His wife Mary, 59, said: “We saw a man carrying a blonde child. It was just such a normal thing to see in a holiday resort — we didn’t think anything of it at the time.”
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:31 am
Daisy
I had the nerve to personally insult Jean, I was only speaking my true feelings and I wholeheartedly agree with myself.
I wasn’t referring to my own forum of course.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:19 am
Daisy
No one pretends anything is fact. We’re not even allowed to any more because the server has changed and we could be up for liable.
If you agree with Garry, fine, I thought he was a typical McCann fan troll.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 am
Melanie
Most people don’t read blogs.
If there is a trial, it will happen in Portugal.
The McCanns made themselves into celebrities so (if they were on trial - which I don’t think will happen) then the ribbons and P.R. would be just as distorting, in fact more so, than blogs (esp. as the blogs have been denounced in the British press). The British press have annoyed the Portuguese with their racist rhetoric, so that’s a factor - but the British government would intervene if the trial was deemed unfair.
Murat could be in trouble if it’s him - but I don’t think the PJs will touch him without sold evidence (not after all the trouble the McCanns have caused).
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 am
What really bothers me is how do they choose jury members, when there has been such a lot of speculation with regard to this case. If someone was called to sit on a jury in this case - would they have to submit details of any comments made on forums such as this? Everyone has built up an idea of what happened to Madeleine and how and why and by whom. These forums fuel speculation and certain ones who post leave an impression. I think that it would be very nearly impossible for a jury to be formed which did not include anyone who had been fed information and speculation through the numerous blogs - maybe it should be like an X factor vote - everyone phone in to say guilty or not guilty - eliminate supects every Saturday night and the proceeds of the phone calls go to the appeal
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:47 am
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Karen Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
Daisy
Jean wholeheartedly agrees the other forum is scum - I suspect that means she assumes she’s better than us.
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Karen,
I’m not Jean and don’t know what she thinks, but agreeing with the content of a particular post doesn’t necessarily mean you agree with its exact wording. I also agree with most of Garry’s comments, but not the way he has presented his opinion.
Anyhow, everyone has his/her opinions and we just have to deal with it or present our case to them for further discussion. My point in the end is that I do not agree with insults of a personal nature. I do not agree with some of the language and I do not agree with pretending something is FACT when in reality most of it is speculation.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
Daisy
Jean wholeheartedly agrees the other forum is scum - I suspect that means she assumes she’s better than us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 am
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Karen Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
Daisy
What do you mean take it or ignore it? That’s the same thing.
I’m going to disagree with it, and tell the poster I disagree with it.
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That’s your right, to disagree I mean. You can reply to him, that’s also your right.
What I meant with “take it or ignore it” is exactly that. You have the choice to ignore what someones says or get into a heated argument with that individual.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
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Karen Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 am
Jean
As Aristotle said the attraction of Tragedy is the vicarious catharsis and the pleasure of knowing it didn’t happen to you.
On this forum you might protect your ego with the idea that you’re searching for Madeleine or comforting the parents - but you’re ghouls, tourists in their pain - just like we are. Only we admit we’re curious and nosey and want to know what happened - so I think that makes us slightly better.
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Karen,
I have to say something here. No-one is better than anybody else!!
We are all concerned about the fate of this little girl and we are all discussing the case in different ways. We are all wanting to know the truth and see the culprits punished, whomever they may be!
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
Daisy
What do you mean take it or ignore it? That’s the same thing.
I’m going to disagree with it, and tell the poster I disagree with it.
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 am
Jean
As Aristotle said the attraction of Tragedy is the vicarious catharsis and the pleasure of knowing it didn’t happen to you.
On this forum you might protect your ego with the idea that you’re searching for Madeleine or comforting the parents - but you’re ghouls, tourists in their pain - just like we are. Only we admit we’re curious and nosey and want to know what happened - so I think that makes us slightly better.