Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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January 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Daisy, i agree with your comment, that regardless of what happened to Madeleine, it is the parents who are ultimately responsible as they left the children alone.
Just read the post on the other thread regards the cctv showing that the tapas9 were not telling the truth about the frequency of their visits to their children. This to me is disgusting. Isnt it bad enough they left their children without now lying about it? If this is true, they are hindering the investigation by not telling the truth as regards to the real time Madeleine was actually last seen. How is this helping to find the truth as to what happened to that little girl. There is a lot that has been alleged about how this bunch have conducted themselves that makes me so very angry. This is not a time to be worried about reputations. They have been shot to pieces as far as i am concerned the moment they decided to leave the children alone. It is the time for telling the whole truth and helping to find Madeleine and what has really happened to her.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Hi All,
Good post, Paula #5944. I feel the same way. I see grieving parents for their missing child. I maybe wrong but I also don’t think they harmed her. The theories are abound and that comes from not REALLY knowing the facts. I am beginning to wonder if we ever will. I wish the PJ would open the file, maybe not to the public but to someone with fresh eyes and no stake in the outcome. Still here PRAYING FOR MADELEINE”S SAFE RETURN.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
post 5945 from Daily Mail 24 hour news
January 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Portuguese police ‘to seize diary from Kate McCann’
Last updated at 15:10pm on 4th January 2008
Portuguese police are planning to visit Britain to seize Kate McCann’s updated diary, it was claimed today.
They will arrive this month to interview Gerry and Kate McCann and the friends who dined with them on the night Madeleine disappeared.
Gerry McCann and his wife Kate at the couple’s home in Rothley, Leicestershire. Portuguese police are planning to come to Britain to seize her diary
Police ’still think McCanns killed Madeleine by accident’ - and they will be suspects for 20 years
Detectives have applied to examine the diary, which contains Mrs McCann’s thoughts over the eight months since her daughter vanished in the Algarve.
Officers took it without Mrs McCann’s permission in the summer, made a photocopy and then returned it. She has been updating it ever since.
Portuguese police outside the McCanns’ apartment in Praia da Luz on the day after Madeleine (below) vanished last May
Portuguese police, in a series of leaks in the summer, suggested the diary was important because it showed Mrs McCann’s unbalanced state of mind - a claim dismissed as a smear.
Sources close to Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley in Leicestershire, point out the diary was only started after Madeleine vanished aged three from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and contains no relevant information to the inquiry.
Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha claimed that letters requesting police seize the diary a second time would be handed in today at a court in Portimao and could be executed this month.
Police are also understood to have applied, as expected, to extend the judicial secrecy surrounding the case, preventing access to the inquiry to both the McCanns and Robert Murat, the only official suspects. All three deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
A source close to the McCanns said today: “If they want access to the updated diary, they can ask her for it but it is a matter for Kate to decide. It is very personal property.”
January 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hi All
I would have thought that the night of May 3rd they would not have searched the village themselves as they would have been busy with the police but, they would also have needed to stay in the complex incase Madeleine was found and returned. After the first night they probably realised that she could be out of Portugal and thought putting all their efforts into a media campaign was the best way, as I see it they have done everything which they think best in the search for Madeleine. As for only employing M3 when they were made suspects, I did read that this was the time when they realised that the PJ were not actively looking for Madeleine, so they then hired someone who would.
As I do not know the facts, I realise everything is possible and anyone could be involved. I do try to keep an open mind, but my theory is still that the parents were not involved and that she was probably abducted. Sometimes I can understand why people think the parents are involved but as I have said before, all I can see when I look at them is pain and desperation. Others see different, we all want to know what happened to Madeleine, we all try to think up theories and have our different ideas of who is responsible.
January 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
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Daisy Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Mods and Admin,
Keeping a very open mind is correct. However, in my opinion, having left the children alone, would make the parents ultimately responsible, regardless of what really happened to the child. If the child was harmed (not accidentally) during hours when the parents were with her, that would be even worse!
January 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Kat
It would be the sensible thing.
I am keeping a totally open mind on it, but if Kate and Gerry were guilty it would explain why they couldn’t put much energy into a practical search and haven’t been able to cry - but have put massive amounts of energy into surface things like media appearances and did show emotion when directly accused of being responsible.
However, it could also be repressed guilt over leaving the door unlocked and denial about her being dead (if you don’t look for a body, you can’t find one).
January 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am
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Kat Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Hi Kat,
Brandonflours copied this info, which was posted originally by someone else in the Mirror Forums. This last person has apparently some insider information, because other info he has posted in the past has been accurate, according to other posters. That’s all I know about the source.
We all know that there is incessant speculation about what happened to Maddie, and that what has been reported in the news/papers might not be totally accurate, therefore, the inconsistencies do not help to paint a clear picture of this case. Whether MW said this or that, we don’t really know. Or alleged statements about the kids being in creche, we don’t really know if that is true either.
In the end, it seems more and more likely to me, that a beautiful little girl has apparently died and the ultimate responsibility would apparently fall on the parents. So tragic!
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Mods and Admin
Bearing in mind what the PJ will know that secrecy laws determine we don’t know.
The point now is justice for Madeleine, and keeping a very open mind is the best way forward that there is no miscarriage of justice
January 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am
RE: #5937 Karen,
I totally agree about the search parties. If that was me, either myself or my husband would’ve searched PDL high and low whilst the other one cared for the younger children.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
#5929 Daisy,
What I’d like clarified is where Brandonflours or the OP get his information from ? Do you happen to know the source ?
I thought and could be wrong that the MW complex has stated that Madeliene AND the twins were at the creche on the 3rd and they had high tea and were collected at 6pm.
Also, again correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t someone claim to witness Gerry playing with Madeleine on the 3rd ?
Brandonflours explanation does indeed make sense of the arguido status of K&G and RM being implemented and retained.
I feel sick even contemplating that Madeleine could be dead….poor child…..but what is worse is if the McCann’s were indeed responsible and have been putting up this charade for 8 months.
RE: #5938 Karen: I agree that if that theory is correct it would certainly explain the parents behaviour.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:31 am
It’s completely possible the McCanns did it. It would make their behaviour more comprehensible.
But because it would be such an unusual and highly sensational explanation, I’m not discounting anything else.
It would be more normal if it was an opportunist paedophile (horrible as that is).
January 4th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Swissmiss
They admitted they didn’t do any real searching on the night, they stayed in and other people did it.
The police were crap in this case, but that doesn’t mean the McCanns couldn’t have arranged search parties to search the village, the beach and the hinterland for at least a few weeks after Madeleine went missing. Then they could have arranged to talk to as many people in the village who might have seen something at the time.
But almost from the start Gerry talked about the wider political agenda, as if they point of the publicity was to keep her in the headlines rather than actually find her.
They only hired M3 after they were made arguidos and everyone knows it’s the first few weeks (actually the first 48 hours) that really count in a kidnap.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:14 am
ps:
Also.. notice that no one has posted since Sept on that Romigen website with the encryped coded messages……. I find that really strange too……..
January 4th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Hey Daisy:
I know… you know… when I first came on this forum… Lauren could testify to that..:)- I was against the Mcs… for leaving their children by themselves.. but they are now suffering from that mistake as we all know… however.. I had a change of heart because of all that I have read so far and from that article that Mike or Isla had posted about that document from Shrimpton yet to be authenticated………. - in that document it points out that she could be on the Iberian Peninsula. Again.. none of us really know what happened… - it’s possible that only the Mcs know what happened… but like you said.. and I’ve said .. can you even imagine if they did do something to her and do all of this media frenzy? Can you only imagine how many people would personally go after them ???????? - If their life is hell now can you only imagine what it would be like then? I truly don’t think that could be possible.. well anything is possible right?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:07 am
Hi Karen: (and welcome…)
What do you mean by real practical searching? They did hire a detective agency Metodo3 to search… What I don’t understand is why the agency has never searched for a person before and it states it on their website .
January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 am
If the McCanns are guilty - it would explain the unreliable time line and their preference for media coverage over real practical searching.
But I tend to think it was a burglar or someone working on the complex.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:30 am
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Swissmiss Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 2:09 am
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Hi Swissmiss,
I don’t know what to think!!! The majority of people (about 80%) now believe the parents are responsible for her disappearance. Most in other threads/forums also believe it happened the way it has been described in that post, or at least in a very similar way.
I just find it so hard to believe that parents could allegedly do something like that and then go through this whole charade to cover it up. It’s beyond my comprehension!
But, it might have happened the way they say. I still think there is more to this and that there is some sort of “secret” that provoked this cover-up. It looks like though my theories of an abductor are being squashed quick quickly.
I suppose we won’t know until someone is charged with something.
I have to go now, but will be in touch later.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Hi Daisy:
OMG! I just read that post… I hope it isn’t true… - what do you think about it?????
January 4th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Obviously the reason R.M. has been kept as a suspect is to keep him quiet and not allow him to tell the press of what he knows. He has obviously, being a suspect, been party to information and interviews and will know the line of questioning. If he were to be released from suspect status, then the ones who are involved would read about the lines of enquiry in the media if Murat was given the opportunity to speak out - which I believe he probably would immediately his status as suspect was removed if only to allow himself to be seen in a much better light - understandable.. However - imagaine to deluge of media reports and quotes from the McCanns if they were removed as suspects. I get the impression that the one reason they want the status removed from themselves is to be able to re- establish their status in life. If suspect status was removed from both RM and the Mc.s - I really do think that both parties would spout out consistantly to the media and by doing so would put all hopes of finding Madeleine completeley out of the window. I just wish they would all just shut up, not speak to the press, not give interviews and just let the police get on with their job.
January 4th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Hi Everybody,
I’ve just read something quite important on another Anorak thread regarding what is believed to have happened to Maddie:
Please read it! ( Page 42, post 836 by Brandon flours says:) link below:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/178982.html?cp=42#comments
January 4th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Jean
Will you please re-read the post you wholeheartedly agreed with?
How many nice people do you know write like that or agree with it?
And since you hate the forum I post on and didn’t tell us directly but did tell your fellow posters on here - sorry, that makes you a sneak.
You’re glad you don’t know me? Think how glad I am not to know someone who thinks I’m a terrible person for objecting to being called moron scum.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Mods and Admin
You may think so Jean, but we did not like the violence expressed in the post concerned. The poster is an unknown to us, a one- off sensationalist.
There are very rarely insulting posts towards Madeleine, any that have been made have been removed immediately on sight. People who judge her parents as neglectful are not insulting anyone, least of all Madeleine, infact the greatest insult to her is that she seems to have become the ‘also ran’ in this sorry saga.
And may we remind you this is not ‘your’ forum, it belongs to Anorak and is subject to closure at any time
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Thanks Mods and Admin for ‘your support’. Ever since I have posted on here my opinion has not changed about the McCanns and Madeleine’s plight. During this interminable time that this sad case has been going on you have made comment about other peoples name calling so how about supporting me - you cannot surely agree that Karen can go along freely calling people vile, sneaky and other names, and not make any comment to her. You may remind me that it is not ‘my forum’, I have never been so presumptuous to think that, but you must surely draw the line at personal verbal abuse that is not called for.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Hey Lauren, buddy! :)-
I had to laugh at your last post… I think it is again yet another language barrier!!! lol-
So…… instead of you always having questions to my posts… let me ask you.. what is your intake about what happened that dreadful night???? - - can’t wait to hear what you have to say!!! -
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
5922 Swissmiss, i am always twisting your words round at times? Not sure i get that, am i always doing it or just at times?
Not sure i have ever twisted anything you have said, questioned maybe, not twisted.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
msn uk news
pa.press.net - 03.01.2008 17:04
Madeleine probe file to stay secret
The secret file detailing the Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is unlikely to be made public “for some time”, a lawyer for the girl’s parents has said.
It is understood the dossier could have been published under new Portuguese secrecy laws that can see court files reopened eight months after the start of an inquiry.
Madeleine vanished from her family’s Praia da Luz holiday apartment on May 3 last year.
But lawyers acting on behalf of the formal suspects in the investigation - the girl’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, and British expat Robert Murat - said the court file would not be made public.
It is understood prosecutors need more time to make their case.
The publication of such a document can coincide with decisions on whether to prosecute suspects in an investigation, and the legal milestone produced fresh speculation about the inquiry.
According to Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha, detectives in the Algarve produced an interim report to coincide with the eight-month mark.
The report is said to name Mr and Mrs McCann, from Leicestershire, as prime suspects in their daughter’s disappearance. But it is also said to include the possibility Madeleine, aged three at the time, was abducted.
The report was dismissed by the McCanns’ advisers as “pure speculation”.
Edward Smethurst, the lawyer conducting the McCanns’ defence, said: “We have received no information to suggest that the court file is going to be opened and indeed we believe it’s likely that it will be some time before the court file is
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Hi Mabel-Lucy,
Had to chuckle at that one….No I am not the mod….just a poster like you. I leave that job to June.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Lauren:
Sorry if it came out to be an attitude. You always seem to be twisting my words around at times…. - I was only referring back to Jeannie’s post. So sorry if you thought I had an attitude. It wasn’t meant to be one… :)- so I guess I didn’t understand your question in your post. Probably language barrier again ! lol- so all cool??? :)- I was only just wondering from her post why it seems to be geared more towards RM’s status release then the MCs. is there something that I missed? You might be able to enlighting me maybe? Well I’ll be checking the board a little later …..-
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
June, i like the sound of this new format. When will it start?
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Mods and Admin
Its been in the plans for a while, before we moved last March and changed the format,we never anticipated the Madeleine McCann scenario on here, and the immediate problems have been the site crashes we have experienced. The host server has now been changed to one that can cope with our needs- at some points our postings have been in excess of 1500 per day.
For those of you familiar with the old Anorak, we used to post and hope we’d be printed in Backlash, then posters got too numerous for that and a forum was planned, this works really well, and most of the original punters post there. Its planned that the new Backlash will be selected from there.
The thing to understand is that we are Anorak, a satire site mocking and taking the p out of the red tops.
It used to be that Anorak could moderate things himself, AGW and some others were around too.
Then the Madeleine story took off, it was assumed, wrongly that we were a support forum for the parents, but we were not, we are and were here for peoples Opinions, whatever they may be.
In the summer I got appointed as Moderator as things were getting ‘difficult’ between posters, gradually others joined me, as after the move to the UK libel issues became very important,but ultimately we shall be here to select good postings for Backlash. For some reason the Forums which is under AGW’s auspices doesn’t need moderating in the classical meaning, and we hope that atmosphere shall continue.
Bit long winded, but thats it.
We are here for every topic presented in the media
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Mabel-lucy, im sure once the arguido status has been lifted, all 3 of the suspects will be able to talk as much as they like. Im sure this no talking rule only applies whilst they are official suspects.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Swissmiss, Do i detect an attitude? I was merely asking where have you read that there is more evidence against Murat than the McCanns? Im not really aware of what official evidence there is against either of the 3 suspects, because of the PJ code of silence. I know in the media, there have been a lot of allegations against all 3 of them, not sure if any of those allegations of evidence are based on any fact.