Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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January 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Karen, lol I think we all have days when we are incapable of constructing sentences both written and verbally lol !!! Fancy causing a ruckus on this lovely peaceful thread - shame on you
when you said you hope you hadn’t put anyone off….did you mean off you or off this thread ?lol 
If we knew whether Kate and Gerry knew RM previously then I think it’d make things a lot clearer. Perhaps the Pj’s think Kate and Gerry were involved with the disappearance and RM is their accomplice….who knows ??
There are so many possible scenarios and theories flying around ANYTHING is plausible.
Unfortunately, by keeping an open mind and sitting on the fence (so to speak) it normally results in a headache at the end of the day after reading the many conflicting newspaper articles and posts on Anorak !!!
Karen I agree it has become a mystery that all us ‘Anorakers’ are hoping to solve….you’re right, when one thinks about poor Madeleine being missing for 8 months it makes you feel physically sick and ‘IF’ the parents are innocent then we can’t begin to imagine the pain and living nightmare they are going through.
They made a stupid, unforgivaable mistake by neglecting their children but not even that act of selfishness deserves them to lose a child……it’s Madeleine that’s paying the price, not them.
January 6th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Karen,
It is sickening. I am not concerned with the parents or even RM, it’s what has happened to that little girl that keeps me coming here and looking for a breakthrough.
I don’t think anyone has been put off, but i am sorry that Maggie’s argy barggy has caused her to feel she can’t come and post here anymore. Everyone here is basically of the same idea. We want to know what happened to Madeleine. And for the most part it has been peaceful and the posters are really nice people. But we have had our own ‘to do’s’ before you joined us and i’m sure there will be more! Lol
January 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Kirstie
Sorry, about misreading your post. (I think I lost a few brain cells over Christmas).
I didn’t mean to invade your nice peaceful thread and cause a ruckus, I hope I haven’t put anyone off.
Anything could be true in this case - that’s what’s so infuriating. I tend to think of it as a mystery to be solved but every so often I remember there’s a real little girl involved and it makes me feel quite sick.
January 6th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Karen,
Sounds like it! Time will tell, as we know we cannot always trust what is printed in the press.
Oh, and Karen- i was telling you that Jean isn’t a bad person really Lol!!! i know that one flummoxed you a bit so thought i’d clarify!!
Also to add to your point about the pj not wanting to protect their tourism industry, you could turn your arguement around and look at it with the view that yes, although this case is being dragged on and on the fact that the cloud of suspicion lies with RM and the McC’s may tell people there is no predator lurking around the streets of PDL who is evil enough to snatch a sleeping child from their bed. Fear is a very powerful thing, particularly where our children are concerned. We do know however there are paedophiles everywhere unfortunatly, but there is nothing like it being brought to the forefront of our minds and putting the fear of God into people. So i n a long winded way, i am saying perhaps these 3 suspects have calmed the fear that people may have felt when Madeleine went missing??
January 6th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Paula
Does that mean the PJs think the McCanns and Murat are involved?
January 6th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Hi All
If this is true from the Glasgow Sunday Mail, it does not look good!
Madeleine Cops “Have Enough To Charge Parents”
Jan 6 2008 By Tom Warden
DETECTIVES probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann say they have enough proof to charge her parents.
Portuguese police plan to travel to the UK to grill the couple and seven holiday pals they dined with when Maddie, four, went missing last May.
But it is claimed they already have the evidence for a case against Gerry and Kate McCann and expat suspect Robert Murat.
A police source said: “Most of the elements of proof have already been collected. We just want to reconfirm the statements made by the McCanns and their friends.”
Yesterday a Portuguese newspaper claimed cops still hope to break an alleged “pact of silence” among the holiday group.
The McCanns have attacked Portuguese detectives for smearing them rather than hunting for Maddie’s abductor.
The couple, both 39, were named as formal suspects last September.
Murat, 34, is claimed to have been seen near the McCanns’ holiday flat the night Madeleine vanished.
January 6th, 2008 at 5:50 am
Kat
I seem to have completely lost the ability to construct a sentence. I hope my posts make some kind of sense?
January 6th, 2008 at 2:29 am
Kat
Sorry about that. Read your post, wandered off and did something else, came back and misremembered your post.
I think either they PJs genuinely believe that Kate and Gerry did it, or think that they’re lying to point that they need to be suspects or there’s pressure on them from the Portuguese press and people (but I would have thought that would be countered by the pressure from the British government which was helped the McCanns from the start).
I think the PJs think the story of that night doesn’t add up and they’ll keep them suspects till they tell the truth.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Kirstie
Er, thanks for saying I’m not a bad person really. The point only got laboured because Jean started or ended her posts with questions?????? and I’m not one to ignore a question.
Besides, I still don’t understand why anyone would agree with such a violent post.
Kat
My point was that if the PJs wanted to save the tourist industry pursuing Kate and Gerry is not the way to do it. It’s dragging the saga out and Kate and Gerry do have a fanbase and the support of the British Press. Whatever motivation the PJs have - it’s not tourism.
January 6th, 2008 at 1:42 am
hi all
Just thought I would post the following article
I wonder why they are so convinced Madeleine is alive, brings hope as they must have some information to lead them to believe this. Hope the new year brings Madeleine home.
PARENTS HAVE ‘NOTHING TO HIDE’
DAILY STAR SUNDAY
6th January 2008
By Jonathan Corke
KATE and Gerry McCann have pledged to hand over anything Portuguese police want from them, insisting: “We have nothing to hide.”
Detectives are desperate to get their hands on Madeleine’s cuddle cat toy and Kate’s diary.
It is claimed once they have those items they will have enough evidence to charge the couple over their daughter’s disappearance.
But we can reveal the McCanns aren’t worried.
According to their spokesman Clarence Mitchell they are simply focusing on finding the four-year-old.
Mr Mitchell says investigators working for the couple are receiving new calls every day, which is helping them piece together what happened to Madeleine.
He said: “There have been several hundred calls now since they made the Christmas appeal for information.
“We still don’t know where Madeleine is but are convinced she’s alive.”
Mr Mitchell said Kate and Gerry, both 39, are more than happy to co-operate with police.
He added: “At the end of the day the police won’t have enough evidence to prosecute Gerry and Kate because they were not involved in Madeleine’s disappearance in any shape or form.”
Detectives took a photocopy of Kate’s diary while she was in Portugal but are said to need the original for any potential prosecution. But Portuguese newspapers have leaked extracts in which Kate describes Madeleine and her two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie as hyper-active and “hysterical”.
Police also want to examine Madeleine’s cuddle cat toy, which she left on the bed of the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz the night she vanished.
A close friend said: “If the police want the diary and cuddle cat then that will be dealt with by Kate and Gerry’s lawyers.”
Portuguese detectives are due to travel to the UK later this month to re-interview the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, and the pals they were dining with when Madeleine vanished.
Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha yesterday claimed police hope the fresh interviews could break an alleged pact of silence between the holiday pals.
Reports said detectives believe the group formed a “strange unit” because they had left children alone in their rooms while they dined out
January 6th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Thanks Kirstie - The bickering will end now on my behalf. Lets just concentrate on Madeleine.
January 5th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Hi Everyone,
I am of the same opinion as Kat. I would never take my kids to Portugal again either and i am not a McCann fan, nor am i prone to leaving my kids alone. I am most definatly on the fence with this case as i think it would be silly not to keep an open mind. There are many things that have made me raise an eyebrow re the McC’s and an abduction/paedophile theory too. I think it is frightening that Paedophiles (portugese) are not registered there and this should be reviewed as a matter of urgency. I know they wander wherever the hell they like, namely wherever our children are but this is one situation that is too lax.
I do think that the McC’s could be arrested wherever they are but being in Portugal right now would detract the attention from Madeleine i would say, because the support there for her parents has waned somewhat….they would be in quite a precarious situation should they go back to PDL. And i don’t mean from the PJ.
I am so unsure about what to think about the parents involvment or a lone or a network of paedophiles either. In one way i hate the thought of her having being at the hands of such evil scum for such a long time, but the other scenario is equally repugnant. I am not sure we will ever see MAdeleine again, but whatever happens justice needs to be done for her. I do not think the PJ can afford to cock this up with the whole world watching….whatever they have on any of the arguidos i bet it will be watertight before they take any of them to trial…if atall. I am quite sure they feel the weight of the world on their shoulders trying to solve this case and want to find out what happened to her more than we give them credit for….as Olegario de Sousa said they are Mothers and Fathers too!
Jean and Karen, please can you ladies agree to disagree in an adult fashion? I don’t think labouring the point on this or point scoring is the right way forward. I feel it for Jean right now, because she has been here from way back and i have always valued her input. Karen, she is not a bad person really! I understood where she was coming from, but also i understood why you were so annoyed by the post. I too think he went a little bit overboard but i understood the vein of the thread. I know you are both very different in your opinions and that is fine, neither of you is right or wrong in voicing them.
January 5th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Afternoon all,
Re: # 5965
Karen, I’m not a Kate and Gerry fan yet I’m boycotting Portugal….I wouldn’t take my three young children there despite the fact that they are never out of my sight. I’m also fully aware of the number of Paedophiles the UK has and how they are at liberty to form Paedophile networks and although there are restrictions on them living next to schools etc they have favourite hotspot areas in which they live and the majority happen to be touristy areas. IMO it’s ridiculous, the police and Social services are fully aware of this and yet do nothing. ECHR has a lot to answer for….not everyone deserves the right to privacy or be protected.
Re: #5956
Jean, in my opinion the Portuguese could easily bring charges to the McCanns regardless of whether or not they are in Portugal so I’m not sure why you think the McCann’s are afraid to enter Portugal.
I also don’t think it’s about saving the Portuguese tourist industry, I agree with Karen that if the Pj are as corrupt as people make out they would’ve ‘fitted’ someone up by now and the whole sorry case would be over. They could’ve also released the arguido status of all three and closed the investigation into Madeleines disappearance but the public prosecutor has chosen to extend it (according to media reports) so they must be happy with the evidence they have got so far and are hoping to obtain more.
Once again we must keep an open mind…Portugal has a secrecy law so the mere fact that we haven’t heard anything from the Pj’s doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t doing anything(we hope !!) they may simply be adhering to their own rules !
As for starting a renewed campaign in Portugal that would be easy enough to achieve without the need for Kate and Gerry to physically be there. Helping to Find Madeleine volunteers initiated the leaflet drop in Morocco so a similar campaign could be started in Portugal.
All my personal opinion of course and I’m happy for people to debate it….x
January 5th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Jean
Under what name? No Jeans posted that day.
And all countries have paedophiles. The only people threatening to boycott Portugal as a holiday destination are Kate and Gerry fans - it would be much, much easier for the PJs to drag in the nearest mentally retarded loner.
January 5th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
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Karen Says:
January 5th, 2008 at 4:38 am
Jean
If it was about saving the Portuguese tourist industry the PJs would fit up a local paedo. It wouldn’t be difficult and all this would be over.
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No they wouldn’t - they would be extremely foolish to do that because it would be admitting to the world that Portugal has paedophiles on the loose, and what would that do for the tourist industry. No, they are intent on getting the McCanns no matter what it takes!!! That’s why they can’t go back to Portugal to search for their daughter, which is an absolute crime in itself. The Portuguese authorities are putting their tourist industry first.
If the McCanns go to the European Courts the Portuguese authorities would surely have to give details of all the evidence they have against them. If I was them I would take that action as soon as possible. This would then force their hand.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
5960
Karen Says:
January 5th, 2008 at 4:32 am
Jean
You were on the forum that Garry Drinkwater posted on, which is the forum he was slagging off - you should have posted and said you agreed with him on that forum.
Instead you posted it on this forum. You praised him for his nerve in slagging us off - you didn’t have the nerve to do the same. That’s sneaky.
If it had been a reasonable post, I wouldn’t have bothered - but it was borderline psychotic.
Also, you may think the case has to be discussed in absolute reverence - but others don’t, others think the media coverage (not Madeleine) deserves some questioning and some ridicule.
Anorak is a satire (which means - to criticise using humour) site about the Media.
I don’t think that we’re moron scum who deserve to rot in hell for posting in the spirit of Anorak.
Is that clear?
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How do you know that I didn’t post on that forum???? In actual fact I did!!!
January 5th, 2008 at 11:04 am
January 5th, 2008 at 4:38 am
Jean
If it was about saving the Portuguese tourist industry the PJs would fit up a local paedo. It wouldn’t be difficult and all this would be over.
January 5th, 2008 at 4:32 am
Jean
You were on the forum that Garry Drinkwater posted on, which is the forum he was slagging off - you should have posted and said you agreed with him on that forum.
Instead you posted it on this forum. You praised him for his nerve in slagging us off - you didn’t have the nerve to do the same. That’s sneaky.
If it had been a reasonable post, I wouldn’t have bothered - but it was borderline psychotic.
Also, you may think the case has to be discussed in absolute reverence - but others don’t, others think the media coverage (not Madeleine) deserves some questioning and some ridicule.
Anorak is a satire (which means - to criticise using humour) site about the Media.
I don’t think that we’re moron scum who deserve to rot in hell for posting in the spirit of Anorak.
Is that clear?
January 5th, 2008 at 3:21 am
Good article, Slyfox…really good points.
Jean, #5956 Totally agree and then they could verbally defend themselves which might not bode well with the PJ.
Mysterious blue tennis bag, Kate’s diary and now again cuddle cat……yeah, whatever….
the mystery lies in PDL alright…..let’s start with the PJ.
Hoping that Madeleine is safe and well.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:25 am
5955
Slyfox Says:
January 5th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I’m having an anorak relapse…into…the anorak abyss (-:
This pro link is very curious. It was either posted here or on the mirror forum - my computer crashed and I can remember where I copied it from. So apologies if it’s on here.
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mr-mccann-sports-bag-theory.html
See what you think. For me the bit that really stood out was around para 16-18ish. The para when he/she talks about the airport security and the previous para talking about the blue tennis bag.
They are totally unrelated to eachother in terms of story but linked together by the author.
If you get me drift.
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Hi Slyfox - As you say, it would be interesting to see whether Gerry took the bag through the East Midlands airport on his way to Portugal. But as per usual, leaks seem to come out and then five minutes later are not mentioned again, such as the bundle of clothes and the investigation into the ‘mine shaft’ and the shallow grave. What happened to those ‘important’ discoveries?? I wish the focus could be taken off the parents and put back on the most important person in this - Madeleine. How on earth can they say that the McCanns killed her in the apartment, and yet in the next paragraph they say that Robert Murat may be involved in her abduction!!! I think confused is rather a mild way of putting things, and that’s just the Portuguese police.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Hi Slyfox
Thanks for providing the link to that very interesting article with some very good points.
Hi Jean
Also good point in post number 5956
Does anyone else feel that we are going round and round in circles here? I wish the PJ would just get on with looking for Madeleine.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:04 am
My thoughts on the reason the Portuguese police have kept the arguido status on Gerry and Kate McCann is that if they were lifted the probability of them both going back to Portugal to search for their daughter is exceptionally high. The Portuguese authorities want to avoid this at all costs, because it will then bring everything back into the limelight. Things have now died down in Portugual and the chances are that most of the people have forgotten about Madeleine. If the McCanns were allowed to go back into the country the unrest would start all over again. Keeping them as arguidos will stop them from going back, because they are afraid that they could very easily be taken into custody, and charges brought against them, however flimsy. If they were released from this status they could go back and continue their campaign. None of this is about Madeleine, it is about the Portuguese tourist industry.
Robert Murat is not being released, because he was in on the interviews and knows too much.
January 5th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I’m having an anorak relapse…into…the anorak abyss (-:
This pro link is very curious. It was either posted here or on the mirror forum - my computer crashed and I can remember where I copied it from. So apologies if it’s on here.
http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mr-mccann-sports-bag-theory.html
See what you think. For me the bit that really stood out was around para 16-18ish. The para when he/she talks about the airport security and the previous para talking about the blue tennis bag.
They are totally unrelated to eachother in terms of story but linked together by the author.
If you get me drift.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Yet another message. I know that a great many of you do not believe in psychics, but surely they are worth listening to because they seem so convinced that she is alive, and seem to know the area she is being kept in. Surely this little girl is owed that, for someone out there to ask questions and follow some of their leads. Anything after eight months is worth a try……
Hello Brian,
finally, Kates mother Susan sent you an email. So thats good news, because it means that the McCann or people around them read your pages. The absurd thing is that I today wrote a long article about MM case, after seeing a new BBC-documentary called Mystery of Madeleine McCann. Susan is interviewed a couple of times in this one hour long program. You know I have followed the case, and I have sent you drawings and emails about the case. And I read today that the McCanns still believe Madeleine is in Morocco. I have had the same dream as I had in the end of May. Madeleine was abducted, put in a boat, taken to Morocco and is hidden in a small place in the mountains in North Morocco, near El-Bioutz. Metodo 3 is still searching in North-Morocco. I know that you think M is in Robert Murats house, and maybe you are right, but I cannot help, after all this years with clairvoaynce, seeing that she is in Morocco. She is in the hidden houses, and there is a religious aspect here, I dont know why. I must, again, ask you to post my email, hoping that people in Morocco is willing to help. But I do doubt that Moroccan people are reading your site. Today the news said that Kate and Gerry will remain suspect. Like you said in one of your dreams. Its difficult for them to live with that, but its even more sad that Madeleine willl never be found if nobody search for her in the right place. I have seen, since the end of May, that she is in Morocco, in the North, she was taken by boat, probably May the 5th, to Ceuta, and then to the RIF mountains, to El-Bioutz or nearby. Kate and Gerry got nothing to do with this case, everybody should understand that. Whats difficult to understand is 1) if paedophile took her, she would have been found now 2) if a couple who “only” wanted a child took her, its very difficult to understand why and how they could do it.
I hope you will post this Brian, all of this is from my dreams and visions in an awake condition.
Anna
reply
Hi, many people read my pages, sadly the people that have the power to do something, are not. I have slept with dozens of maps under my pillow, to include Morocco…and nothing yet. If I were a detective, Morocco would be number one on my list only because of it’s know human and drug trafficking ties with PDL and other cities in Spain and Portugal…even the PJ admit this is their main area of expertise…but my reason here is to use my dreams and my readers to help solve open cases. My dreams keep leading me to the same place…PDL…and the police are somehow involved. I really don’t see why it’s not to hard to believe that organized crime rings still exits in today’s society…and human trafficking is real, and the internet is the new storefront for these individuals to sell their goods. Another thing to remember…Robert Murat had child pornography on his computer…and I’m willing to bet, members of the PJ did too…this alone is a big deal…at least for me it is.
Brian
January 4th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Message sent to Brian Ladd from a close relative of Kate McCann’s …………
Dear Brian
I had a call from Kate McCann’s Mother so upset about a video, that you
had posted on your site,stating that you were happy to do so.
Firstly: Kate and Gerry have not had warrants issued for their arrest.
Secondly: That video is full of inaccuracies. The only questions Kate
refused to answer are the ones her lawyer told her not to. She was angry
because she didnt then and hasnt nowanything to hide.
Thridly: the babysitting servoce offered was to check on the children
every half hour so they did themselves. If Warner holiday complex felt
that this baby sitting service was appropriate that the resort was safe
enough to do this. why would the Mccanns feel that it wasn’t. It was not
de;iberate neglect. It was being badly advised and making a judgement that
turned out to have tragic results. You are American and probably can’t
imagine how it could be safe, but believe me Greece, Portugal, spain all
have these sorts of arrangements and 99% of the time they are okay.
You are listening to people who think they know it all ,but only know what
they read in the papers which are full of lies and mis
reprepresentatiions. Because of this many people lives have been ruined
and reputations torn to shreds. So as well as dealing with the
disappearance of a dearly loved child they have to deal with all the
accusations and downright lies.
It was not just three of the McCanns friends that saw Murat that night.
Several people have come forward since to say that they saw him
Also a family saw a blonde child being carried to the seafront about the
same time Madeleine went missing.
So Janet tanner is not the only one that sw that
Gordon Brown is not a personal friend of the McCanns ,perhaps he unlike a
lot of people felt some sympathy for their plight. It is eight months now
and no one is any nearer to knowing what happened to Madeleine. But it
does not help when someone like yourself who at the least should try to be
unbiased starts showing vdeos like this
If you would like some more imformation about anything Sue healy is
willing to give you it. It isn’t sensational like most of the rubbish that
gets spouted because incase people have forgotten. Kate an Gerry are still
bound by the Portuguese secrecy laws and are not allowed to defend
temselves but istead have to take all the flak thrown at them.
A child disappeared a moth before from Gran Canaria and he has never been
seen since. The difference is although his Mother was not there. No One
has accused her of killing him .
rose Howard
January 4th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Apparently this was on another Anorak website which was dated in May. It was then picked up by a person who follows the Brian Ladd site and posted there……
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Noone Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
How far you all are from seeing the wood for the trees.
Not one of you are on the right path to really knowing what happend to Madeleine.
It take months of research to locate the real players in this kidnap case and it is far more politically motivated then you all realize, after all the twins Godfather is high profile on the the TV media/political stage.
Yes the Mccanns are silent, secrative,frightened, perhaps because they fear their other children may be next in line, for the people involved are more (extreme) then you could ever imagine!.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Karen - What is this comment about??
And since you hate the forum I post on and didn’t tell us directly but did tell your fellow posters on here - sorry, that makes you a sneak.
I haven’t a clue whether you post on other forums. I came across the comment I posted by accident, and posted it on here because I believe that there are other forums I have briefly looked at that make silly and sick jokes about Madeleine’s plight and don’t discuss the situation in the serious manner it should be.
I repeat I am not a sneak, or anything else you care to call me. All I am interested in is justice for Madeleine. That will now be the end of my involvement in your comments.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
5942 Karen, good points.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
5947 Jeannie, as you say we dont know the facts. So we dont know what we truly see when we look at the McCanns or what they are grieving for. You can never say they are completely innocent as they are guilty of neglect. However what ever else they have or havent done, remains unknown. To us at any rate. I dont see there is enough information to be able to say with any conviction either way as to what the McCanns real involvement in their daughters disappearance is.