Madeleine McCann Not In Malta Or Morocco
FROM Paulo Reis in Portugal:
Portuguese CID spokesman, about Madeleine abduction: “The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz”
Portuguese authorities have dismissed as groundless all leads on sightings of Madeleine McCann in other countries rather than Portugal, namely in Morroco and Malta, said Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Portuguese CID, spokesman Olegário de Sousa (…) Further investigations are being carried out centered mainly on the area of Praia da Luz itself, said Mr. Olegário de Sousa. «The clue to this mistery is in Praia da Luz», according to other police source quoted by Diário de Notícias. (…)
Note: Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent.
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January 18th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
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Carmen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
MODS AND ADMIN
Daisy
No, it is not acceptable.
Good-bye
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Understood. Well, if that’s the case, you can count one less “pro” in this forum.
Good Bye All!
January 18th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Daisy
I once directed ‘Can’t Say No’ (who is anti-McCann) to the Morocco thread as a joke.
I’ve had loads of abuse on the Daily Threads from pro-McCanns - I’ve been called a dyke, a bitch, a snob and a troll not to mention the generalised abuse of the ‘YOU ARE ALL SICK SCUM I HOPE YOU ROT’ variety.
And I am right. Your book is wrong.
January 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Mods and Admin,
Firstly, may I ask where did I say that I wanted a thread closed?
Secondly, where did I tell you how to run this site?
I was stating an opinion, with respect, about earlier comments regarding the Morocco thread and the fact that it was considered “high maintenance”. I simply disagreed with that opinion. Is this not acceptable, I mean, disagreeing with a post by Mods and Admin?
My understanding was that I could address Mods and Admin with respect, without abuse, etc. on any issues. Is this not acceptable?
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Mods and Admin
Daisy, we have treated you with the utmost respect and without abuse
But the closure of this thread is NOT in your remit, and it is NOT for you to question decisions taken here on Anorak.
You must understand WE do NOT need YOUR permission/approval or agreement
But now you are very tiresome and disruptive
jj j17 16.30
January 18th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Karen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Daisy
You are wrong.
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Karen,
Because you say so? …. Not in my books!
January 18th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
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Carmen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Carmen,
Thanks for your reply. However, I disagree with you. I do actually post more regularly on the other thread, because it is more a debate than pure information.
If Anorak has decided to implement a website where many issues are discussed (not only the McCann case), I suppose you will get many different threads with many different inclinations on a particular subject. Isn’t that what these forums are about? I can’t find anywhere in my earlier post anything that stipulates that “I personally want a Daisy thread” or anything along those line, which indicates to me that you misunderstood my post.
I have seen posters on the other daily thread “chase” new ones off the thread because they have “pro” views and clearly direct them to the “Morocco” thread.
Anork’s administration is in its right to close any thread, but in my opinion it would be a shame to close this one.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
I had a Freudian slip on my second last post. I called the Daily Thread the Daily Threat - but still I’d much rather learn to stand up for myself than hide away in a self-help thread.
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Mods and Admin
Karen, I think Daisy is misreading it too, she seems to see the Daisy thread
January 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Daisy
You are wrong.
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Mods and Admin
Daisy
a hosting site called 20hosts run a reasonably costed facility, then you can have all the things you want the way you want them.
In point of fact this particular thread has been under review for well over a month, and we have spent more time on it than the other threads in the rest of the site, as Carmen has pointed out it is Anorak, not the McCanns personal angst place.
We are one of the busiest sites on the net and YOU think we should close our busiest threads?
January 18th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
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Karen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
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Karen,
Firstly, I have not been posting “for months and months” but only a few weeks. Secondly, the daily thread is mostly anti-McCann and insulting to many who sit on the fence or have other views of the case.
You may disagree with me and that’s okay with me.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Daisy
The Daily Thread isn’t majority anything ( or haven’t you noticed Garth and Coolandcalm and Skedgehammer and the rest?).
Everyone gets challenged on the Daily Threat and you have to sharpen up your ideas to counteract it. And that’s a good thing.
Also Ian and Will were both anti McCann and still fell out - and Garth and Sledgehammer and both pro and can be extremely rude to other posters.
Hideki was anti-McCann and was banned.
You’re using selective memory. The Mods were saying that this forum takes up too much bandwidth and makes libellous posts.
I would have thought the fact that you’ve been going for months and months would be a sign that the Mods are being fair.
January 18th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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Isla Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
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Mods and Admin
Isla,
Since your last visit things have changed with regard to the very serious issue of libel. Up to approx six weeks ago Anorak was registered with a US server. We have now moved to a more efficient server in the UK. We have much more stringent legal duties as a result.
Users of the thread were pasting large tracts using up our bandwidth. This was one way Anorak was affected ; the other issue is the responsibility of editing out all traces of libel from such pasting after posting, this could have been avoided by the posters concerned taking just a little care. They chose not to.
We had advised all members Anorak has, and always will have, the final say on what is published here. This thread was left to chart its own course but strayed badly when an opposition poster appeared.
This thread is not an exclusive club section of the site. There are no such sections. It has never has been the sole preserve of McCann supporters. We will not prevent anyone from expressing opinion no matter how unpleasant that may be to an opposition poster. We were very aware such a poster would not be popular among you, but we are about debate and freedom of speech for all.
Regrettably, the new arrival brought out the very worst in some and we we had to fire warning shots which were ignored by the longer term posters, the newcomer was not giving anyone grief in disagreeing with them, it was her right, but attacks which followed and also the continuing need for us to heavily monitor this thread for libellous material has forced us to the point where the thread is too high maintenance. We have other priorities and if this thread is to be a running sore it will be cut out. There is no pro or anti anyone feeling among the administrators (that includes Moderators) . They are observers if they spot anything which is harmful they must step in to prevent it. No poster or administrator for that matter is bigger than the concept of Anorak.
j.j. j171630
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Mods and Admin,
Although I didn’t have the pleasure of exchanging views with Isla due to her ceasing to post here some weeks ago, she seems to be a balanced human being and I read her last post now with great interest.
But, with all due respect, I would like to comment on Mods and Admin’s most recent post here.
I can tell that the job that all Mods have is not an easy one and you all must be quite dedicated to Anorak. I do however disagree with the remarks that Mods do not take sides in this sad case. I think that some Mods are quite fair with their remarks, but some are not!
This thread was mainly “pro”, but as soon as someone posted views that were different, and therefore some “attacks” were directed at that new poster, it seems that Mods decided it was not acceptable. I’m at a loss to understand this stance, considering that on the other current thread, where most are “anti”, anybody who dares to post a view which in someway might be more inclined to believe in the concept of “not guitly until proven guilty”, the attacks are vicious! They go on and on, and only since the introduction of the yellow/red card system very recently, this practice has been brought under some control. But, in the many warnings that Mods and Admin may have given some posters on the other thread, I have not read any that threatens to close the thread down because it has become “high maintenance”.
More abuse has been thrown at new posters on the other thread than any I have seen in this particular one. In my opinion, Mods and Admin, have been unfair with their comments regarding the posters in this thread. Yes, some posters go overboard with some comments, but it has been nothing compared with the insults posted on the other thread.
It seems to me that the reason this thread is now being considered as too high maintenance is because it is fairly peaceful, fairly “boring” (for lack of other suitable expression) and therefore there is no real “debate”. There is more an “exchange of information” here rather than “confrontational speculation” like in the other Madeleine thread.
In closing, Mods and Admin will of course have the last say in all these matter regarding posting and libelous comments, but I believe the bottom line for this differential treatment by Mods and Admin is just the nature of the thread itself and not the nature of the posters, i.e. this one is not as “exciting” to read!
If you were to balance both threads and compare what is said in both, the other thread would be much more “deserving” of “closure” for all the abusive, sick jokes, nasty remarks about individuals involved in the case and posters themselves, but that won’t happen, in my opinion, because it is “entertaining” to the readers and posters.
I wish you all a nice weekend.
(… and thanks DuncanR for all the smilies!)
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Mods and Admin
Daisy, if you have any complaints about any of us , take it up in the forums in the proper manner.
Everyone has an Opinion on the state of affairs over Madeliene McCann, but a lot of sites would have removed you for even quesioning the Mods and Admin
let alone for telling them how to run their site.
And to prove we are not the type of people you describe , I am leaving this post here, but taking it up with Admin.
Thankyou for your ‘input’
jj j17
January 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Jean
You can put your theory down all you have to do is make sure you say it’s in your opinion and not a fact. Try using words like maybe, possibly, it’s unlikely but….
And it’s fine that you don’t agree with me - but is there any need to imply that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is evil or moron scum - and all the other insults you’ve agreed with?
In my opinion you come across as a rabid right-winger, who can’t stand debate.
January 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am
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Karen Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Jean
What, being balanced and pointing out that anything could be true or untrue - that’s creating more evil?
When did ‘Thou shalt not criticise the McCanns but thou shalt slag off Murat’ become the 11th commandment?
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Karen - You are entitled to criticise the McCanns for all you are worth, I just don’t happen to agree with you. I also happen to think that there is more to Murat’s story than has been reported in the newspapers and that is my opinion. I haven’t ’slagged’ off Murat the newspapers have done that. There are two theories why Murat hasn’t been relieved from his arguido status, one is that he is more involved, and two that he is being protected for some reason by the police. I know what my theory is but I can’t put it down on here!!
January 17th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Hi Isla - How good to see you posting again. Hope you will continue and this site will be able to continue discussing Madeleine in an adult way!!
Mods and Admin - Don’t know whether this will be permitted, but have found this web site where a forensic artist named Stephen Mancusi has ‘aged’ Madeleine and the quote below is what he has said alongside his impression. This is so sad, that beautiful little girl if found may never regain her sparkle, but with a lot of love and tlc she has a chance.
Madeleine McCann
Age Progression
“If Madeleine McCann has been abducted, most likely her appearance has changed. First of all, this tragic ordeal would have taken her brightness away. Now that a year has past, I think that sunny little girl illustrated in so many of her pictures would have faded. We are looking for a child, which may be showing a little more age then four years old. She most likely will look tired and un-kept.”
Forensic Artist Stephen Mancusi
January 17th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Isla
Anorak used to have an American server and wasn’t liable for liable. Now they have a British server they can be sued.
You can all still pass on information - all you have to do is make it clear that it’s unproven and may be untrue.
It’s not that difficult - I don’t know why you all feel you have to leave.
January 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hi all
It would seem that the forum is in now it’s death throes. Anthony, as ever insightful, saw the writing on the wall. I suppose it had to happen sooner or later. I had hoped it would have been sooner, that is with Madeleine being found alive.
Although I haven’t been posting due to family commitments/problems, I have followed the posts since I left the forum. I’ve been surprised by the mods approach towards a number of individuals. It seemed clear to me that a particular poster was deliberately disrupting the forum by hounding one poster after another in particular, laterly, Swissmiss. I’m sure that Anthony could clarify that for us! I’m also astonished at the mods stance in relation to libellous posts. Many individuals, in particular myself, have been cutting, pasting and posting articles from many newspapers and so on for months with no comment being made at all.
It has also been pointed out that this forum was considered to be an pro-parent forum. If that was the case was that such a bad thing? Was it such a bad thing for people to consider two people innocent until proven guilty? I think not. But more than anything was it really a
pr0-parent forum at all? It seemed to me that (mostly) everyone understood that the forum was about ‘Madeleine’, but sadly due to her plight there was very little that could be said about her at all, so it seemed natural that the forum would evolve and become a ‘finding Madeleine’ forum. In attempting to find Madeleine it was natural that the parents, their actions, their ever-changing situation would be considered because Madeleine, her disappearance and her parents are irrevocably intertwined. Many people ensured that data posted was from across the board, not just so-called pro-McCann, to acquaint everyone with all available data on the case - true/untrue - for/against. Many individuals also posted articles on other missing children/child neglect/abuse. This forum was considered to be one of the most constructive and informative ‘Madeleine’ forums of all. If there was any ‘focus’ on the parents it seemed to come from individuals, who had very little to say about Madeleine at all.
Anyway after all is said and done, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Anorak for allowing me/us to post on this forum. It gave us the opportunity to discuss and debate the profound issue of a little girl’s disappearance. It enabled us to meet other like-minded people and those who were nor so like- minded. As far as I am concerned it was an education on any number of subjects from child neglect/abuse, Press/Political agenda, Policing, paedophilia, human nature, hidden agendas, missing children, conspiracy theories, human psychology and so on.
I would also like to thank the mods, in particular June, for giving her precious time, support and advice.
More than anything I would like to thank everyone who posted on his forum for sparing the time to consider a missing child.
Finally, I would like to thank a number of people, too many too mention but you’ll know who I am referring too, that restored my faith in human nature. They came from around the globe, to unite on this forum, in an attempt to keep a wee girl’s name alive and made a great attempt to find her, to establish the truth about her plight and fight for justice for her and other vulnerable children.
As this WILL be my last post on this forum! I would just like to say that on the day that Madeleine is found alive I will toast her and her family at 9pm. As I do so I will think of you all too. Maybe you will join me, wherever you may be? If she found ‘otherwise’ I will pray for her and all concerned that day (and long after) and if she is never found either way, God forbid, I will never forget her or the many decent people that I had the great privilege to ‘meet’ on this forum.
Mods and Admin
Isla,
Since your last visit things have changed with regard to the very serious issue of libel. Up to approx six weeks ago Anorak was registered with a US server. We have now moved to a more efficient server in the UK. We have much more stringent legal duties as a result.
Users of the thread were pasting large tracts using up our bandwidth. This was one way Anorak was affected ; the other issue is the responsibility of editing out all traces of libel from such pasting after posting, this could have been avoided by the posters concerned taking just a little care. They chose not to.
We had advised all members Anorak has, and always will have, the final say on what is published here. This thread was left to chart its own course but strayed badly when an opposition poster appeared.
This thread is not an exclusive club section of the site. There are no such sections. It has never has been the sole preserve of McCann supporters. We will not prevent anyone from expressing opinion no matter how unpleasant that may be to an opposition poster. We were very aware such a poster would not be popular among you, but we are about debate and freedom of speech for all.
Regrettably, the new arrival brought out the very worst in some and we we had to fire warning shots which were ignored by the longer term posters, the newcomer was not giving anyone grief in disagreeing with them, it was her right, but attacks which followed and also the continuing need for us to heavily monitor this thread for libellous material has forced us to the point where the thread is too high maintenance. We have other priorities and if this thread is to be a running sore it will be cut out. There is no pro or anti anyone feeling among the administrators (that includes Moderators) . They are observers if they spot anything which is harmful they must step in to prevent it. No poster or administrator for that matter is bigger than the concept of Anorak.
j.j. j171630
January 17th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Jean
What, being balanced and pointing out that anything could be true or untrue - that’s creating more evil?
When did ‘Thou shalt not criticise the McCanns but thou shalt slag off Murat’ become the 11th commandment?
January 17th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Quote from Minnea ……
Jesus says: Mark 9:42 “And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
There is little 4-years girl still missing. She deserves her childhood and parents, she doesn’t deserve all these evil you made for her ( I say YOU, because I can see you all are same sfuff with PJ) She is innocent little child.
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I agree completely with you Minnea. We have enough evil in this world without creating more!!
January 17th, 2008 at 12:36 am
“Firstly the reason your previous posts were edited or deleted was because they contained libellous statements, and also because they have come from other sites. And yes you are responsible for their content when you choose publish them here.”
They were news, like this
LIke these:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/
http://news.sky.com/skynews/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories
I’m not responsible contents of news and no-one else poster neither. You should know what. In Anorak you have published same news ? If you think they are libellous then you should charge Sun/Sky news/Daily Mirror etc. If I believe Murat and Malinka are all involved in Madeleine’s disappearance, it is because they hide something and both lied and you can read same things from these news.
Your only purpose is to make this forum another hate forum, nothing else and you use this word “libellous” as a weapon because you just want drive away most of posters, but you don’t even know what it really means when something is really “libellous”. Maybe somebody told you to do so because all they want is cover the truth of Madeleine’s disappearance, they don’t want anyone examine what really happened to her. They just want to feed all these lies and disinformation and brainwash people think McCanns are involved in Madeleines disappearance.
What it is happening in Great Britain? There was big paedophile scandal in Labour-party few years ago and they covered it up. Why Gordon Brown doesn’t help McCanns?
We are not responsible just in front of people, finally we are responsible in front of holy God.
Jesus says: Mark 9:42 “And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
There is little 4-years girl still missing. She deserves her childhood and parents, she doesn’t deserve all these evil you made for her ( I say YOU, because I can see you all are same sfuff with PJ) She is innocent little child.
Administrator: I have released this into the general domain so we can all see the problems posed by a writer who’s first language is not English.
I have no intention of dealing with the patently ridiculous, and libellous suggestions about us contained here and limit myself to point out if any poster puts more than two links into an article the spam filter chews it up and spits it out for the Moderators to examine.
Discussion here would be pointless. We remain as we have always been…Anorak -agw
a.w. j179-47.
January 16th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Mods and Admin
Minnea
Firstly the reason your previous posts were edited or deleted was because they contained libellous statements, and also because they have come from other sites. And yes you are responsible for their content when you choose publish them here.
We are neither pro nor anti McCann on this site, and we encourage debate and discussion, but it must be understood that we are NOT a McCann suport forum, and neither do we have any obligation to be so. If you personally feel its essential then what is stopping you from setting such a site up yourself.
We are a satire site for the media, no more no less, we are impartial as to the guilt or innocence of any of parties involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and promote neither . But we support Justice.
You ask do we support freedom of speech, yes we do and we also encourage responsibility for what is said, and at the same time retain the right to edit any post that would leave us liable financially for such irresponsibility
The investigations are not finished yet , and there has not been a trial.
We do not know who is guilty , or who is not guilty, we at Anorak are prepared to wait until a Judge decides
I have put your post into Moderation yet again, as I need Admin to spend yet more time on your post.
January 16th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
“Karen Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I’m sorry you all feel you have to leave, but all you have to do to avoid libel is make it clear that what you’re saying isn’t proved and may be untrue.
It’s sweet that you believe in Kate and Gerry but if - and it is only an if - they turned out to be guilty, you would have been defending the people responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance, and that isn’t putting Madeleine first.
Anyway I hope you reconsider and keep your forum going.
And if you don’t - be happy in your new place, where ever it is. :)”
I still want to say…I believe in God.
-Minnea
PSALM 64
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.
1 Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.
7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.
8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away.
9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.
January 16th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
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Lauren Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Jeannie, i disagree with your post. I dont think anyone is intent on slagging anyone off on here. I just dont think anyone is intent on this site remaining the support group for the Mcs that it had turned into over the months. To me, this way of thinking has prevented a lot of people from posting on here.”
I have been following this thread for a long time, because I like so many writers here (Isla, Jean, Maggie, Swissmiss, Anthony, Mike…) But I have written here only two messages because my english is not so good. (Both of them deleted or strongly censored, although I had links to these news. Am I responsible for contents of news I can find from net?)
Most of forums are hate forums against Madeleine’s parents. It is because of massive organized disinformation campaign against Madeleine parents. I can see it is systematical. I live in country, where have been lot of propaganda in media for decades and I have learned recognize systematical propaganda and I KNOW meaning of different disinformation is ALWAYS cover the truth. So I can see there is powerful people who doesn’t want the truth of Madeleine’s disappearance comes out and that’s make me believe that Shrimpton report is near the truth. When you go to Mirror forum you can see that all reasonable and thinking messages have been deleted. What is left is huge HATE and LIE campaign against McCanns. It is disgusting. They don’t want to find Madeleine, they want to believe ALL rubbish and lies someone feed for them and wallow in these lies.
So why there can’t be support group for Madeleine’s parent in this forum? Does it threat YOU somehow? Why it threats you? Why don’t you go these other forums, there is people who thinks like you think. Why are YOU hunting them who not think like you think and why are you try to limit their conversations? Where is freedom of speech, or is it just a beautiful word?
I’m McCann’s supporter, I have been their supporter since Madeleine disappeared and I always will been their supporter and I can see poor Madeleine was REALLY abducted and I desperately hope they’ll find her alive and hope her safe return. I can see there is lot of questions considering Murat, Walczuch, Malinka, PJ and NO answers, I have seen what kind of corrupt country Portugal is, and I have been reading about Casa Pia and these other missing children all I can see that IT STILL CONTINUES and they try to cover it! And I want to discuss with people thinking same way as I am and really want examine what happened to her and try to find different information I DON’T want to discuss with those, who blame her parents and believe all lies, because it doesn’t lead anywhere . They are just repeating same lies, day after day.
January 16th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
this thread is being closed down,the mods decided a while ago to close iti am sorry for the child who is missing in heluva as she will not be the last one thats why it is important to find madeline mccann,to deter others from doing what you now see,we can only wait now for something to happen in her case,its not the mods fault as the world haslost intrest in the soap opera that her case has become,i hope she is still alive somewhere in europe and she will be seen again,
with the pj and people like the mods who no longer want to know, you may never see her again i hope not,
i will not be posting here anymore as i can get no more info from this site anymore as the mods keep deleteing posts that may yeild clues,we are left with rubbish posts of no use to anyone,
when her kidnappers do make a move i and others will be watching as i can keep an eye on her case while living a normal life,i hope to go and help look for her soon as the pj are closing the case and the press no longer want to know and most have lost interest,i may find nothing and may gain a little good intel that may help me,the trail is long since gone cold and the people who took her are well dug in,all you need is a tiny chink in the dragons amour and it can be slain,just a little clue or a name or a location and and we are off the starting blocks,
i would like to thank everyone who has posted here as i thought at one point one of you may find her such was the quality of the posts and the people who posted them,thereis nothing left to do now as the mccanns and the police have tried everything,only sraw dogs can find her now,
small prayer to saint anthony patron saint of lost things that someone finds a clue and the child is found safe.
yours anthony
January 16th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
For Information:
jean |posted this earlier and I have lifted it to here, along with my reply, so we are all clear on this situation:
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Lauren Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Jeannie, i disagree with your post. I dont think anyone is intent on slagging anyone off on here. I just dont think anyone is intent on this site remaining the support group for the Mcs that it had turned into over the months. To me, this way of thinking has prevented a lot of people from posting on here.
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Lauren - you are so wrong. Jeannie didn’t say that people were ’slagging anyone off on here’ she said that some people were now intent on slagging off the McCanns on this site.
Duncan - I know that Anorak is a forum for debate - but in my opinion there is debate and down right nastiness which I have found on various other Anorak sites I have visited. Why this forum couldn’t be left as it was - i.e. mostly supporters of the McCanns - I really don’t know. We weren’t doing any harm discussing the pros and cons of the situation day by day, but most probably our comments weren’t contraversial enough for you at Anorak HQ. I thought, wrongly, that because this particular site had been going for such a long time we were safe from the general day to day nastiness. If you care to go back to the very start of our comments you will see that we have been the longest running, and it is such a shame that we feel that we have to leave it.
Please give my email address to Kirstie, Paula, Jeannie, Swissmiss, Mike and Anthony so that we can continue our pro-McCann forum.
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Administrator: Our concerns have nothing to do with pro or anti-McCann viewpoints. Duncan is right in that Anorak, as a free-to-you, site has no obligation to provide you with a cosy chat room. It has been allowed to go on but the habit of lifting vast quantities of material from other sites and pasting them here has caused two problems. That sort of posting grabs bandwidth and has, in the past, contributed to site problems. That is secondary to the enormous legal risks which are seemingly run every day by certain posters lifting and pasting libellous material here. You CAN NOT say so-and-so is guilty of a crime. That is the sole responsibility of a court. Were Dr Kate and Dr Gerry McCann ever charged in connection with the disappearance of their child it would almost certainly be a Portuguese court which would try them. That is not even suggested as a possibility at this stage of the very long investigation. Equally, posters may not post vast tracts of text claiming to have incontrovertible proof that anyone is innocent of any crime because a third party clearly is. Bad policing and very bad reporting at the very least..Why? No-one has been charged. The declaration of absolute innocence can be read as a libel in certain circumstance by implying sufficient guilt exists for a charge to be made.
It has also been noted this thread has become very high maintenance. My having to write here is a prime example of the time needed.
You have the choice; post fairly and treat others with opposition views with courtesy. That does not mean agreeing with them or not entering into debate. It means discussion. Or, as you seem to be planning to do, move on. So be it. Do not bewail the fates. This is a grown up site and Moderators control it.
This is not a chat room and we are considering closing this thread totally. If you want take part in the cut and thrust of Anorak do so. If you wish to move on to a more comfortable social soiree-type environment please move on with our blessing and good wishes. -agw
January 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I’m sorry you all feel you have to leave, but all you have to do to avoid libel is make it clear that what you’re saying isn’t proved and may be untrue.
It’s sweet that you believe in Kate and Gerry but if - and it is only an if - they turned out to be guilty, you would have been defending the people responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance, and that isn’t putting Madeleine first.
Anyway I hope you reconsider and keep your forum going.
And if you don’t - be happy in your new place, where ever it is.
January 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
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jean Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
We weren’t doing any harm discussing the pros and cons of the situation day by day, but most probably our comments weren’t contraversial enough for you at Anorak HQ.
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Well, I don’t know about Anorak, but I think you will find that gross libels tend to be viewed as highly controversial by the courts.
And the content which was pulled were gross libels.
That isn’t discussion, and it really isn’t fair to accuse M&A of trying to suppress discussion when what you really want is the right to publish whatever libels you fancy…
January 16th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Thanks Jean.
No Lauren I did not mean this forum but other forums on the Anorak site.
January 16th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
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Lauren Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Jeannie, i disagree with your post. I dont think anyone is intent on slagging anyone off on here. I just dont think anyone is intent on this site remaining the support group for the Mcs that it had turned into over the months. To me, this way of thinking has prevented a lot of people from posting on here.
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Lauren - you are so wrong. Jeannie didn’t say that people were ’slagging anyone off on here’ she said that some people were now intent on slagging off the McCanns on this site.
Duncan - I know that Anorak is a forum for debate - but in my opinion there is debate and down right nastiness which I have found on various other Anorak sites I have visited. Why this forum couldn’t be left as it was - i.e. mostly supporters of the McCanns - I really don’t know. We weren’t doing any harm discussing the pros and cons of the situation day by day, but most probably our comments weren’t contraversial enough for you at Anorak HQ. I thought, wrongly, that because this particular site had been going for such a long time we were safe from the general day to day nastiness. If you care to go back to the very start of our comments you will see that we have been the longest running, and it is such a shame that we feel that we have to leave it.
Please give my email address to Kirstie, Paula, Jeannie, Swissmiss, Mike and Anthony so that we can continue our pro-McCann forum.
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Administrator: Our concerns have nothing to do with pro or anti-McCann viewpoints. Duncan is right in that Anorak, as a free-to-you, site has no obligation to provide you with a cosy chat room. It has been allowed to go on but the habit of lifting vast quantities of material from other sites and pasting them here has caused two problems. That sort of posting grabs bandwidth and has, in the past, contributed to site problems. That is secondary to the enormous legal risks which are seemingly run every day by certain posters lifting and pasting libellous material here. You CAN NOT say so-and-so is guilty of a crime. That is the sole responsibility of a court. Were Dr Kate and Dr Gerry McCann ever charged in connection with the disappearance of their child it would almost certainly be a Portuguese court which would try them. That is not even suggested as a possibility at this stage of the very long investigation. Equally, posters may not post vast tracts of text claiming to have incontrovertible proof that anyone is innocent of any crime because a third party clearly is. Bad policing and very bad reporting at the very least..Why? No-one has been charged. The declaration of absolute innocence can be read as a libel in certain circumstance by implying sufficient guilt exists for a charge to be made.
It has also been noted this thread has become very high maintenance. My having to write here is a prime example of the time needed.
You have the choice; post fairly and treat others with opposition views with courtesy. That does not mean agreeing with them or not entering into debate. It means discussion. Or, as you seem to be planning to do, move on. So be it. Do not bewail the fates. This is a grown up site and Moderators control it.
This is not chat room and we are considering closing this thread totally. If you want take part in the cut and thrust of Anorak do so. If you wish to move on to a more comfortable social soiree-type environment please move on with our blessing and good wishes. -agw
January 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Jeannie, i disagree with your post. I dont think anyone is intent on slagging anyone off on here. I just dont think anyone is intent on this site remaining the support group for the Mcs that it had turned into over the months. To me, this way of thinking has prevented a lot of people from posting on here.
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Mods and admin
Lauren, you do realise what Anorak is about, but there are new daily threads , perhaps join in the debate and discussion? No one is slagged off, but some posts are moderated for libel, avoiding it is a responsibility/consequence of free speech.
Anorak may be knocked , but these opinions remain in their entirety
January 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Hi Jean,
#6125—Yes I wholeheartedly agree. This is not the site it once was. It seems to me that other sites here where they are slagging off the McCanns are more libelous but that’s just my opinion. I have “met” alot of nice, like-minded people here. I’m truly sorry it has now come to an end. I guess we knew this day might be inevitable, but very sad nonetheless. I will continue to PRAY for Madeleine in the hope that she will be found. I think that we all should be proud of ourselves for not joining the ranks of the slaggers, as this world seems to be going in that direction. In my opinion, people sure enjoy to hurt than to care. Misery loves company and I for one am glad I am not apart of it. Take care All.
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Have to intervene here, the site is Anorak and has been alive and kicking for some 12 years. We are a satirical take on the news, we never have been a McCann support forum, along with many others you have posted your opinions and views. Everyone on here wishes Madeleine McCann well, the often forgotten victim. And in some eyes the only victim.
January 16th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Jean, Paula and anyone else who wants it i am happy for mods ‘n’ admin to pass on my email address and you can join us olde posters
Take care all.