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1. 428 Pat says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 8:10 pm

   #315 Mods and Admin

   I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Who is Alice? I wasn’t following the forum that day. This is like WHAT? I don’t get it okay. I don’t have a clue!

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   Mods and Admin , the reference to Alice was not in connexion with you Pat, but the Jonathan one was.

   But, you should have A clue, Alice is a regular poster. But it clearly was not in direct relation to you, which is why it was in a seperate paragraph. Unlike your need to answer each poster individually , the rest of us do not.

2. 427 Pat says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 7:48 pm

   Tessa don’t you think Molly should be a rapper? I would love to listen to Molly go on in person.

   For now I can’t get a grip on the case for some reason. I like to read the posts but no new thoughts for now.

3. 426 potsy says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm

   Tessa and Mollly, I like your posts 409 and 410. Logic points in a direction no matter how much press coverage or insistence on one theory continues.

   One question re: distancing remarks. Did anyone catch the latest appeal from Mrs. M. Something about bring Madeleine back “to HER family”? I find the word “her” very strange in this context. Wouldnt the word be “our”? It makes me think someone else is writing all these releases from the Ms and made a slip up.

   Poor little girl, I hope this is resolved soon.

4. 425 Peta says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 4:36 pm

   Stan,

   You quote 90% of the media coverage is unwanted, by whom?
   Do the McCanns want to keep their missing child high profile, or do they wish her to fade from memory.

   After all , they are very intelligent and probably very streetwise people, could they not forsee that coverage could backfire, in fact very likely would do that? Wouldn’t they be very aware that the Media is for its own ends, and not for their benefit anyway and things possibly turn sour?

   Its the child that counts here, surely? she is still missing, and whether the McCanns have antagonised people, or they do not have full support of the public for whatever reason,surely perceived unpopularity is a small price to pay to recover their daughter.

5. 424 stan says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 3:45 pm

   is there any evidence that the mccanns are using the money for legal fees to sue the newspaper..gerry mccann clearly states thats not the case on his log..

   so is this just more speculation from you haters with nothing better to do?

   i too am bored of the media attention the parents have got but 90% of it is completely unwanted..so do you really think they want to stay in the spotlight as long as possible when arseholes like some ppl on this forum are saying these things..it seems to me they now have no choice in the attention they receive..

   i would certainly sue the paper for such a headline if i were in the mccann’s shoes..

6. 423 Pat says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 3:11 pm

   #282 Moderation Finally I went back to catch up a little and notice the drift. This much, why the trouble to trace ISP talk? but NO don’t go back to that conversation. If anyone needs mine just ask. No point to trace.

   That type of hassle and worry is the trouble cj, posting much further down asking people to hang posters, will have overcoming the negative energy and moving back toward positive, if that is the goal. That is very counter productive attitude, especially for the people who are still somewhat open minded. An around the world round up wouln’t help the case I don’t think. NO.

7. 422 Pat says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 pm

   Johnathan Oh, okay having company for a couple of days I didn’t do my homework. I tried to takea shortcut and ask instead of reading all the posts. You caught me! I take pride in being quite honest so if you notice anything it is accidental. Track me down. My attempt to sort falls more into the catagory of philosophy rather legal or physco babble. I haven’t read the last page of the book yet.

8. 421 Molly says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 11:37 am

   Pepe - excellent link, thank you, and some interesting questions raised …

   Why is it so important to the PJ that the McCanns stay in Portugal until the Lab reports come in?

   We know the blood in the apartment is not Madeleine’s (not that most people ever believed that it was) … but what about the body fluids found in the cars?

   Who’s cars?

   If it is true that the Lab Results are going to the PJ this week, then let us all hope that we will see some movement on this case and that the truth may be revealed.

9. 420 cj says:
   September 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 am

   Madeleine has been missing for over 123 days. If we stop now, sit and do nothing then we achieve NOTHING.
   Your help may be just what Madeleine, and other children need right now. So if you want to do SOMETHING, then please join us and assist the search.

   WHAT WOULD I HAVE TO DO?
   Each person who joins up is assigned to a group either working on ideas or countries. The type of things we are doing includes direct emailing to specific businesses and industries to raise awareness and asking for help by either putting up the poster, or seeking support to our fund raising efforts.

   The Madeleine McCann campaign has chosen not to specifically endorse any particular groups, however our founding member is in direct contact with the Spokesperson for the campaign.

   http://www.helpingtofindmadeleine.com/

10. 419 jonathan says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 am

    Somehow I think if somebody was in the queue for a heart bypass they would not consider GM’s personal circumstance and more his ability to perform the operation.

    Pepe, good link. That clears up lots of loose ends re Scotland Yard, partial lab results etc. It also says that more vans and cars were tested than had been previously thought which also answers some of my concerns about whether a wide enough net had been cast. Paulo is usually very thorough so I am inclined to believe his report.

    Pat, I have been around for ages even if I do spell my name without the ‘h’ and ‘an’ at the end. I wrote the IP tracability comment because I happen to be qualified to comment on that subject and for some at least, there was confusion. My views are quite similar to Moderation’s on most things. That is, I believe in due process rather than jumping to conclusions. Having said that I am happy to debate others views since none of us have real hard evidence at our disposal. I hope this week is going to more interesting than last with regard to this case.

11. 418 Moderation says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 10:31 am

    I can see what you’re saying Chloe, but if nothing is proved anywhere and no charges brought in Portugal then I can’t see how it can affect anything to do with their ongoing careers.
    Also there would never be a problem with them working in the private sector.

12. 417 Chloe says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 am

    Pepe, it is indeed an interesting article. Not being in England, it has made certain aspects I was not aware of clear to me. I find it amazing that they could receive all that official support. Obviously, the implications of their being guilty of something are wider than I had imagined. I’m not entirely convinced by this Moita Flores person: ex-PJ inspector, mayor of Santarem and TV scriptwriter. He can obviously have his opinion, like anyone else, but I’m not sure his word should be taken as gospel. Is there anyone in Portugal who can tell us about him?

    Moderation, I would think the kind of trouble they could be in in the UK might have something to do with their professional licences -or at least their jobs- rather than with the police. If this forum is anything to go by, I would think there might be quite a high percentage of patients who might not wish to be treated by them!

    I’m surprised that Sousa has gone so far as to say the Ms are victims not suspects, which would seem a fairly clear statement (coming from the PJ). Not sure what to make of it.

13. 416 Pat says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 10:02 am

    #338 Hi Johnathon No I was trying to understand the postings while only able to read fast while company was here. When you first spoke to me once I didn’t understand what your intention but then I did. My nerves are bad lately so I am sort of skittish more than usual when the context is unclear. I thought reading later there was some indication of controversy and I didn’t have time to read but thought you were implicated. Sorry. My thought was I didn’t know what to think when first approached but then it all came across like a lawyer trying to claify? maybe or just a guess. Oh, I read over the other posts after you appeared and dimissed my origianal thought. Also, it’s a little confusing when names I don’t recognize appear on the forum but the person appears informed. At least you don’t call yourself bs or something. lol

14. 415 Pepe (london) says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 9:43 am

    http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/gordon-brown-suggestions-and-changes-to.html

    interesting article on the status of the campaign.

15. 414 itsme says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 am

    was discussed already, the advantage of not being “suspects”.
    but why cant one of those journos ask, if they are maybe “highly suspicious” to the police ?

16. 413 Moderation says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 am

    Just thought I would post this…..

    A POLICE chief in the hunt for four-year-old Madeleine McCann yesterday insisted that her parents are not suspects.
    Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said that Gerry and Kate McCann are not under suspicion for their daughter’s disappearance on May 3.
    He told the Daily Express. “They are victims and witnesses.
    “I don’t know where some newspapers get their information from but it is not true to say that they are suspects.”

    Also, I don’t understand this constant referral to the McCanns being in trouble when they get back. Duh…. Even if they’d massacred the village of Praia it would be nowt to do with the UK police!! They have no jurisdiction over Portugal. The Portugese police have already said the children were left within the complex whre the adults were so not a crime.

17. 412 Molly says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 8:19 am

    ‘Tessa - doesn’t it seem to be always the way with the McCanns’ to make someone else accountable? … the pattern has existed since the very beginning of this case - everyone else is responsible for some failure or another, everyone else should be looking for Madeleine - the PJ, the public, the media, the NCMEC - anyone, everyone EXCEPT the McCanns themselves, who have steadfastly refused to accept responsibility for anything, from their initial neglect, to the original search (when they spent most of the time on the telephone) and ever onwards.

    And now we see a resurgence of their political ambitions, in the form of EU wide Sex Offender Registers - there is NO PROOF that Madeleine was taken from the apartment by a paedophile - in fact the PJ have clearly stated that they believe she died within the apartment, yet we still see Kate McCann expounding on the subject of Sex Offender Registers - a supportive response guaranteed from the tabloids, with their love of paedophile hysteria … more smoke and mirrors

    Kate’s latest foray into politics is really grating with me … excuse me while I climb onto my soap box and expound freely:

    An EU wide sex offenders register will be next to useless and completely counterproductive in terms of protecting children

    Why?

    Because only 10% of sex offenders are ever caught and convicted.

    The remaining 90% continue to live alongside their victims and abuse them on a regular basis … they are fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins, grandfathers, in laws, family friends, teachers, youth leaders, priests, neighbours and no-one suspects a thing.

    Sex Offender registers serve to make people FEEL safer - and because they feel safer, they are even less inclined to suspect that their child may be being abused… which in turn gives the unconvicted paedophile more scope and less chance of being discovered.

    Until we, as a society, stop regarding paedophiles as ‘monsters’ and acknowledge that they appear just as us, then the problem will continue unabated. We need to protect and empower our children with early education about ‘good and bad secrets’ and ‘bad touching’ - not in a scary way, but as naturally as we teach the Green Cross Code - thus reducing the pool of potential victims.

    Paedophiles have a monstrous sexual drive, but they are not ’spottable’ monsters or even (in most cases) strangers, and until we acknowledge that fact and take appropriate steps, no amount of ‘registers’or disclosure will have any impact on the problem at all.

    Thank you for listening

18. 411 Tessa says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 7:40 am

    Excerpt from Gerry’s blog day 122.

    “The advice of the National Canter for Missing and Exploited Children is that high visibility of the missing child through posters, car stickers etc increases the chances of finding that child. Kate and I therefore would encourage you to continue taking posters on holiday and ask permission to have them displayed in supermarkets, post offices and shops.”

    I don’t like the way this sounds - it’s distancing…. It’s like he’s not really serious or dedicated to the search - but more like administrating it via a 3rd party approach. I may be reading too much between the lines, won’t be the first time, but it sounds like he’s trying to remove himself and quoting the advice of the NCMEC about visibility of the campaign - like he’s stepping back and making the Missing Children organization accountable not he or his wife.
    I guess what I am trying to say, is that it doesn’t sound like a parent of a missing child. It sounds like a volunteer giving instructions at an event for someone else’s child. I don’t feel the urgency or the immediacy of what he’s delegating people to do. Maybe that’s a way to distant himself psychologically?

    Did the forum discuss on here recently that the Mccanns may find the time to jog as it’s their only real alone time every day? Does anyone know how long the jogs last?? I’m curious…..I had thought of a few old and new movie titles for some odd reason when I read this blog today and envisioned them running on the beach somewhere out there. But I don’t know why they came to mind with regards to the Madeleine case. The mindset of a creative genius or ……just a strange set of circumstances that add up to nothing but a vivid imagination. Nite, nite.

    1) No way out
    2) Catch me if you can
    3) Mission Impossible
    4) Rearview Mirror

19. 410 Molly says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 7:23 am

    Ughhh - I hate Murder She Wrote! lol

    I admire Miss Marple so much more … a keen mind cunningly disguised under ‘fluffy old lady’ persona and a real student of human nature

    Seriously though - I’m no detective, just someone who cannot leave a mystery alone until I have worried it to death. I was the sort of child who took toys apart to see how they worked … a couple of years ago my best friend suspected her husband of having an affair and asked for my help - within a week I had pinned him down, had written email evidence and knew not only the name of his amour, but her address, who she lived with, her children’s names and ages, her phone number, who else she socialised with and much more - all from perfectly legal and valid computer/internet searches. In this day and age information is freely available and easy to find - it is just a case of knowing where to look.

    The information about the McCanns’ Lawyer was easy to find - his name was printed in several English papers and a simple internet search for his exact full name, in Portuguese only, brought up a large number of hits. Google translator did the rest.

20. 409 Tessa says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 am

    407 - Gross Potsy!! And I thought you said you were a woman? As in a “Lady”!! It was bulldump who did the gorry detailed post that you were referring to. That’s why his name is bulldump.

    Ugh! Caught red handed (red clawed!) The bold and brazen mouse who’s been running back and forth btwn my stove and refrigerator for the past 3 nites - what does he think he’s doing? Baking a pie and storing the unused food in my frig?? Well, it was kind of strange….do you think he… ah, forget it!
    Well, that scoundrel was finally just caught tonite, hook, line and sinker, behind the stove in my house. I heard squeaking and I knew that AWFUL burning smell…..decomposing rodent in the room - I cant’ even say it without getting sick. A sure way to lose weight quickly - I couldn’t even muster up the courage to eat anything in my kitchen for fear of droppings that he may add to his smorgasbord!

    If you live in NYC area then you will know that smell I am talking about. Horrible! It’s one of the reasons I eventually fled the City after living there for a long time. I couldn’t take the smell of decomposing rodents in the walls of every damn apartment bldg in that City. It doesn’t matter if you live on the Upper West Side, downtown or Park Ave or anywhere else - not that there’s any poor neighborhoods left in Manhattan anymore!! You don’t need a cadaver dog so sniff it out - it’s rampant and it gives me the heebie jeebies just to think about it. Do you know that there are more rodents than people living in NY today? It’s true, the NY Post ran the story a few years ago. I think the ratio back then was 10:1 rats to people. Now don’t be a wise guy ~ LOL

    So yes, the brother in law removed it. Now he takes a hot shower and sterilizes himself - I made him drive to the dumpster 5 miles away - to dispose of it. I wonder if it will be compost? My olfactory senses are like that of a pregnant woman - or maybe more like a sniffer dog - wow, maybe I have another calling in life - I can strap on a harness and leash and get to work with the search and rescue teams! Maybe in my next life. But only if I find an owner who coddles me like I do for my dogs! Wouldn’t it be interesting if we reverse roles w/ our dogs in the next life? And then it would be pay back time. Wow, if that happens, Michael Vick is in deep doody! But it would be a very fair punishment for him!!! How come Anorak doesn’t have any Michael Vick forums on here??

    Well, since everyone has digressed so much this weekend on these posts, I felt, what the hell, it’s my turn and someone out there can listen to me freak out about the little story about the mouse in the house. EEEKS!!

21. 408 Tessa says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 4:31 am

    339 - “To me this seems like a strange choice for a civil lawsuit”

    This is real interesting! Where are you getting this information? Did you discover this thru your own research or did you read it in some Portuguese newspaper? Just wondering what your sources are for this. I agree, a criminal attorney is not used or needed for a libel suit. Nor is a human rights attorney. Something smells fishy in paradise…and it’s not coming from the Portuguese fishermen.

    I’m not entirely sure about your last paragraph in this post, because it’s a pretty big leap to suggest that the Mccanns would be speaking to a lawyer regarding their possible criminal negligence. But it’s definitely a possibility as anything is possible in this case as far as I am concerned!….especially if they are realizing that even if Madeleine is never found, when they return to England, they face potential neglect charges for leaving their 3 toddlers unattended at nite. They could be really worried about this as that’s been the hot button regardless if she is found or not. Remember also when Gerri came to the States? He got bombarded by the U.S. reporters about why he would leave his kids in such a vulnerable position and whether or not he’s worried about criminal charges for child endangerment etc.

    ” People must obviously draw their own conclusions, but personally I cannot help but wonder whether he is taking the Libel Case pro bono, on the understanding that he also gets to work on any criminal case that may arise in the future for the McCanns”

    I can’t believe the drama surrounding this case. It’s the most uncanny case I’ve ever witnessed - second hand of course!

    I’ll be leaving for a few weeks at the end of this week - anniversary trip to Turkey and Greece - somehoe I think there will be huge developments on this case when I return. I have goose bumps just thinking about it. I agree w/ Pat (again) that Molly can probably crack any case! She is Ace Detective numero uno. A post-modern Angela Lansbury from the old TV Series, “Murder, she wrote” - British accent and all

22. 407 potsy says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 2:45 am

    Yeah when they start talking about pus and dentists, I feel like I’m gonna hurl…want me to describe it?

    Nighty night…

23. 406 bulldump says:
    September 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 am

    now thats what i call a real thread killa

24. 405 bulldump says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    i’m english but residing in denmark now

25. 404 bulldump says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    i had 4 teeth out when i was 6-7 years old and it was just before easter. As the gas was kicking in the anesthesist told me to think of loads of chocolate.
    Whilst I was under the gas I had this terrible nightmare that I was drowning in a huge vate of chocolate. Whether this was induced by blood flowing down my throat I’m unsure. But I have never forgotten this incident some 25 years on

26. 403 childsafety says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pm

    U.K….what about you?

27. 402 childsafety says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    I have had two encounters wth anesthesists. The first was putting me to sleep for an operation and made a dirty joke as I was waking up. The second was putting an epidural in my spine while I was in labour and told me that if I moved a milimetre he would not give a shite but I would never walk again. The third was shiteing himself as he had topped up the first guys epidural too much and I could not feel my throat. He was putting ice cubes on me and telling me that it was not his fault it was my fault for being so small.
    So excuse me for being suspicious of them….

28. 401 bulldump says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    yup

29. 400 childsafety says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    I have taken great lengths to hide my IP address and you ask me that????

30. 399 bulldump says:
    September 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    its strange to retrain as a gp from being an anesthesis. I would have prolly retrained as a dentist, since dentists already trained as anesthesists get two wages

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