Are you sure you shouldnt be called Worm? As you keep wriggling out of backing up anything you say or answering anything I put to you.
Theres another one, an unhappy face is like this .

Talk about going off on a tangent, eh?!
Vicious and Violent outbursts- where? Oh thats right you dont back up anything you say. teehee

So come on Horsey, those sources are easy to find- you say.

no dickhead it proves what a moron you are

See what answers you come up with moron

It certainly sounds like it you dimwits!

if you care to read my uneducated friend

My guess is that all 3 of you are sad and lonely

I look forward to the next torrent of abuse from the sad trolls

Im sorry for saying all those things I didnt mean to upset you at all……..oh no wait …….that was you!!

So back to those sources Horsey…..yawn.

But it is not looking as if that will be the case…

Let Justice roll down……

“Why dont you try debating.”
Its very hard to debate anything with a person who
a.) Cant back up anything they say (you have yet to give me one source of your evidence)
b.) Continually dodges the questions put to them.( laughing and smiling, are they emotions or not?. Or doubts being the same, in meaning, as suspicion? Or why you think washing a toy will remove DNA? )

I could go on (and lets face it we BOTH know I could LOL ) but as you never actually answer anything put to you, why bother?

You asked why I was having a go at you, Horsey? Well I will tell you why. The first post I read by you started of with “Maddy my dear” now your are an educated person (unlike me) and so you knew that term “my dear” would be patronizing, yet you still chose to use it. You then stated that the “evidence is ” and then proceeded to make up what ever you felt like saying. If you had been correct I wouldnt even have posted, but your evidence was full of mistakes.
So if you want to take a position of arrogance, then please get your facts straight first, otherwise you just look stupid.
If you want us to eat our words, then please feel free to do the same. You have yet to back up anything you regard as “evidence” of their guilt, unlike I have (using google I might add ) despite saying you would.

So in summation, Horsey, Where are those sources you used for your evidence? Come on Giddey up

jeeves that very good “horse shit” how original did it take long to come up with that one.

greg you dont really seem to be adding anything other than sarcasm…very big of you

ronny boy…. you ask for evidence matey mips why dont you go and look for it.
You could try GOOGLE. you have heard of search engines haven’t you.

I find it very sad that you have to resort to insults, sarcasm and bad language as all this proves is that you know nothing are just very angry. Why dont you try debating instead of just having a go a people who dont agree with your minority thoughts. It will be nice to see you guys eating your words in the not to distant future. My guess is that all 3 of you are sad and lonely and no doubt have no klids. If you do have kids i think its time that someone called social services on you as you’re obviously not fit to be parents if you think the mcspamm are so innocent..I look forward to the next torrent of abuse from the sad trolls. try to stay calm though cause you might break your pc if you’re not careful. Bye for now my dear sad friends

118 ron. look ronny boy im getting very bored of you now. on one hand your saying your not pro mccann and on the other you say you have suspicion

Not being pro McCann would suggest I have my doubts, hmmmm doubts? Is that the same as suspicion??

the horse from the north & the beast from the east & the mouse from the South. Says:

i wasnt aware that the PJ were involved with the barrymore case……..talk about going off on a tangent….

What happened to you giving us your sources? Talk about going off on a tangent.
Your getting bored? I think your getting shown up. You have yet to back up any of your evidence, because you cant.

I don’t know the outcome but over and over I just feel the truth will become obvious in this case. Somehow reading the posts, considering, and reply helps test the theories and circumstances and as a result learn more and more. YES.

“Just one thing ronny me old mate do you think you could actually take a little time and read posts fully rather than reading between the lines”

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all night.

Well, we all know circumstantial evidence is the best kind, don’t we…

Hey, Horse Shit, have you read the news today. Here ya go:

From today’s Sun: “Today dectectives said they have “nothing concrete” to implicate the McCanns in Madeleine’s disappearance and may be depending on them making a confession, a Portuguese newspaper reported.”

A “high-ranking” Policia Judiciaria officer, who was not named, told 24 Horas: “We have nothing concrete.

“There are a lot of indications, but without more elements it’s impossible to determine what happened in those four vital hours in the case (between 6pm and 10pm on the night Madeleine vanished).

“it’s impossible to determine what happened in those four vital hours in the case (between 6pm and 10pm on the night Madeleine vanished).

“Even if the blood and traces gathered in the car or in the apartment were confirmed to correspond 100 per cent to the little girl’s DNA, that wouldn’t prove anything.”

“Those elements could only confirm - and that doesn’t even happen - that the little girl was in the apartment (which is obvious) and in the car.”

What was that you were saying about mountains of evidence?

Girl’s Case ‘May Solve McCann Mystery’
By Alex Watts
Sky News Online Reporter
Updated: 09:28, Friday September 14, 2007

Portuguese detectives have been urged to ditch their case against Gerry and Kate McCann and re-open the investigation into a girl who disappeared in similar circumstances to Madeleine.

Kate McCann named as suspectCrime expert Mark Williams-Thomas believes there are far too many similarities between the two cases for it not to be a strong line of police inquiry.

Mr Williams-Thomas, a former detective who is now a child protection specialist, said: “I can’t accept that Gerry and Kate as parents of the child could have been involved in her murder - even based on the fact that over 90% of murders are domestic-related.

“What I have difficulty in understanding is they would have killed her and stored her body for at least 25 days and left no evidence.

“At the very least the body would have started to decompose, especially in a hot country. And there was a huge risk of someone finding that body.”

He believes the answer to the case may lie in the disappearance of an eight-year-old Portuguese girl in 2004.

Joana Cipriano vanished from a village just seven miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine disappeared.

Neither body has been found.

Joana’s mother and uncle were jailed for her murder, but five police officers have now been accused of forcing false confessions out of them.

Mr Williams-Thomas believes that because of the huge doubts over the convictions, whoever abducted Joana is more than likely to be behind Madeleine’s disappearance.

Joana vanished in Figueira He said he could not understand why the police are pursuing their “ludicrous” investigation into the McCanns, when such a strong line of inquiry remains open.

He added: “There’s not a single case in the UK where two children who are unknown to each other have been abducted or disappeared within a period of four years in a seven-mile radius.

“On that basis it has to be a serious line of inquiry to eliminate it as a huge coincidence.

“Portugal is a small country with very, very few abductions so two young girls vanishing out of thin air with their bodies never being recovered is something that needs to be investigated.”

Joana vanished on September 12, 2004, after setting off from home in the village of Figueira to collect groceries. She never returned.

Like Madeleine McCann’s case, the police investigation got off to a bad start. They failed to seal off the house where she was last seen.

Joana’s mother Leonor and her brother Joao were jailed for 16 years for her murder.

But they claim they were set up and police have been named as suspects in their “torture”.

Cipriano alleges police beat her to make her confess. A photograph of her heavily-bruised face was published in Portuguese newspapers.

She says the interrogation took place without her lawyer present and without the knowledge of the public prosecutor.

Mark Williams-ThomasPolice claimed Joana discovered Cipriano and her brother having sex when she returned with the groceries.

They said the pair were afraid Joana would tell what she saw and killed her.

Mr Williams-Thomas says because of the doubt over the safety of the convictions, the case should be re-opened.

But to compound the Madeleine investigation further, a senior detective in the hunt is one of the five officers alleged to have extracted the confessions.

Goncalo Amaral, who is number three in the Madeleine inquiry, and his officers have been accused of torture, omission of evidence and falsification of documents.

Portugal’s Ministerio Publico has not revealed who has been accused of which offence.

Mr Williams-Thomas said: “This casts huge doubt in my mind about the integrity of the investigating officer.

“Even if we work on the basis that he is innocent, given this allegation against him, he shouldn’t have anything to do with the Madeleine investigation.”

He stressed: “There are so many similarities between the cases it has to be eliminated.

“Therefore to consider solely Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects rather than considering all the options is ludicrous.”

The former detective also heavily criticised the Portuguese police inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Forensics tests at Madeleine apartmentCommenting on their emergency application to seize Gerry McCann’s laptop computer and reportedly even Madeleine’s favourite toy Cuddle Cat, he said: “I think it’s amazing that they haven’t already seized them.

“This is the whole problem with the case. They are treating Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects but aren’t dealing with them as suspects.

“Why didn’t they do that when she went missing? They are back-tracking.

“They are trying to recover the situation, forensically and evidentally, they lost at the first opportunity.”

Another crime expert believes even if the police do charge the McCanns they will struggle to convict them - because Madeleine’s body is still missing and there is no evidence that has been made public to suggest she is even dead.

Desmond Thomas, a former deputy head of Hampshire CID who is now a forensic management consultant, says he does not believe anyone will be found guilty unless a body or weapon is discovered.

He said: “I think the Portuguese police are struggling. Of course, we cannot be sure about exactly what is in the dossier they have prepared.

“But from what we know this far, if I was bringing the charges, I would be nervous about it being successful.

“The only way I can see anyone being successfully charged is if the body is found and they can link it clearly to them.”

This may be some solace to the McCanns, but then Portuguese courts may have a different conviction rate to UK courts.

After all, detectives managed to “solve” Joana’s murder, and there was no body or weapon found.

with more to come…

Let Justice roll down……