About 623. Yes, I think so too. Today whatever it was disappeared quietly while I was asleep. Having been on the verge of tears about the thought for two days made waking without much better. Just the simple things help.

OBSERVATIONS:

597 - Stop trying to be someone you are clearly not, really! And those initials are a weak attempt - as well as wrong. You don’t think I’d give out a real email address on this forum, do you???

601 - Well said Karen! Your comments, observations and opinions are “spot on” and you go one step further by offering suggestions/solutions that are constructive in nature. Can we trade Paulette in for you?

602 - Paulette - PS: but U do come off as bashing Americans. If you are one, it still doesn’t give you the right to not only ridicule or put them/us down but such unbridled comments don’t behoove you. IMHO, you should learn to temper these comments and show more restraint. It comes off as if you’re desperately trying, to fit in here, by selling your soul to the devil. Perhaps it’s a harsh analogy, but so is your post. If you must continue to do this, I would suggest adding a “IMHO” before your opening statements prior to shredding Americans to pieces.

Also, I think you should strongly consider forfeiting your American citizenship. You no longer live in the States, and you don’t like to be associated with them/us and you seem to never have a single postive comment on the topic of Americans. But I believe that you will hold onto it, because it gives you that self-righteous, indignation to get on your soapbox and knock down the most wonderful country in the world. According to the majority of people polled WORLDWIDE by Harris Interactive and the Jupiter Media.

Let me ask you, why do you think all these immigrants are dying to get in to America? It’s not to sign up for organ transplants. No, it’s to find work, and a future in THE LAND of opportunity. I recognize that you feel it will put you in a better light with the anti-american posters on this forum. But I hate to break the news to you, it will actually have the reverse effect. Because once a traitor, always a traitor. Remember a bloke named Benedict Arnold? Hmm…. I think the British smartened up to those tactics a long long time ago. So please, don’t feel you need to bash our American culture and people to fit in here. Because you don’t. And it hurts your credibility factor when doing so.

623 - I’d say it’s quite obvious that you’ve got a rat on the roof! (err…a decomposing mouse in the house).

And the percentage of those discovered to have been harmed-by-parents is MUCH higher
when the child is disabled. FACT.

So it is a reasonable valid question, with madeleine already having coloboma (eye), and already described by own family as “challenging” child, to consider whether she was more disabled even than that.

Such an obvious, obvious question.

Separately, I think the pretend-unlocked patio doors is a red herring. Nobody went in or out except them during dinner, even by their own story. Of course these people wouldn’t leave two infants and toddler unsupervised (sedated or not) in unlocked place… of course not. But better for someone to suffer the public outrage of ’stupid neglectful parents’ than the outrage/jail sentence of ‘accident or euthanasia of disabled child’. I too fell for the ‘how could they….’

Imagine the same story but with a locked door and no evidence of forced entry: everything changes. Abduction no longer possible. So the door HAD to be said to be unlocked. With a lot of high-profile PR on their great parenting skills to balance this and mitigate fallout.

The allegation that Kate refused to answer 40 questions is just that, an allegation that appeared in the Portuguese press. It is not established fact. The allegation is that after 11 hours of questioning - and I think it was after midnight, Kate said she had had enough and was not going to answer any more questions.

11 hours straight of questioning and into the early hours of the morning - I would have told them shove it too. She also had her lawyer with her and if the Lawyer had advised her not to answer any more questions, it would be reasonable for her to follow that advice

The media are not pushing this because to suggest a couple would go on holiday to a foreign country to euthanase their child because of an obscure syndrome is more than stretching it.

Occam’s razor.

I speculate that smart, attractive, physically healthysuccessful image-conscious doctor parents, who make life and death decisions all the time, (play ‘god’) may find it difficult to imagine this child’s life as good and worthy and worth living (in their terms), and may find it easy to convince themselves that she’d be better off gently ‘put to sleep’ now. Perhaps they convinced themselves they were doing it ‘for the twins.’ Of course, in realitty this is traumatic for theb twins, kills a child, and it is the parents whose lives become infinitely easier. But very easy to rationalize their behaviour and perhaps even invovle close doctor friends. And once doctor-friends have assisted euthanasia of a disabled child, their silence is assured.

But Madeleine didn’t have charge?

Check Charge org links: she had several major and minor features and some typical behavioural patterns: more than just the coloboma. Not all CHARGE kids have facial palsy! There are several i pictures of a charge kids (look under ‘typical charge face’) who seem to have cute, normal-looking faces. **The syndrome’s symptoms may be mild to severe.***
That means: Not all CHARGE kids have the extreme facial palsy seen on CHARGE info websites!! Read carefully the cluster of features and see that even the little we know shows a high degree of fit.

- note coloboma. Vision issues are so bad that coloboma ALONE qualifies you as DISABLED.
Even if they are innocent of killing her, leaving a visually disabled kid ALONE at NIGHT would be terrifying–makes child even more vulnerable and at risk.

- CHARGE nose: wide square bridge–up to where joins forehead, VERY distinctive and madeleine’s fits the pictures of even more sever CHARGE-faced children: she does not have the obvious palsy (may have mild; see mouth); but she does appear in many pictures top have the CHARGE nose, including the “thick nostrils” (thck skin around, not openings themselves–again, see charge links pictures and look at madelience; it’s very distinctive.

- “perseverative behaviour” of CHARGE

Uncle described her as a “challenging” child. Not ‘hyper’ or ‘noisy’ or ‘active’, but “challenging.” See CHARGE syndrome and “perseverative behaviour.”

In kate’s interview with reputable paper, the infant for first “5 or 6 m onths” would cry for 18 hours straight: she says “We” (meaning she; I doubt maddie could tell time) would “watch the clock” (waiting/desperate for gerry’s return.) — sleep-deprived, exhausted. Kate explained it as “colic.” Perhaps it was. Charge kids often have ear/nose/throat breathing difficulties, including painful ear infections. Her admittance that madelience was a difficult infant. (can cause all sorts of bonding issues, and is major family stressor)

- growth anomalies, stunted growth, small stature are typical of CHARGE: even at three years old, many have commented on her small size. This doesn’t prove CHARGE but does fit it.

- wide forehad, eyebrows, large eyes, small chin, and small mouth also typical of CHARGE face. This doesn’t prove CHARGE but does fit it. As many children have these features, does not yet look much odd. Note nose bridge again, though, and see CHARGE links.

- CHARGE links describe social withdrawal due to vision.hearing issues and in some cases lack of sense of smell. Warner resort creche staff described madeleine as having difficulty socializing with the other kids. This doesn’t prove CHARGE but does fit it.

- CHARGE kids have sleep issues (difficulty settling/sleeping) and difficulty with some forms of sedation (doesn’t work)– see CHARGE info links.

- Did madelience have mild CHARGE syndrome? Was she more than they could handle?
Disabled children are statistically MOST AT RISK of being harmed or killed by their parents.
Looking after special-needs child FOREVER: exhausting, unglamorous, nigh-nurture, selfless and plain unpaid hard work. If you don’t do that work, you look like bad parents–so you have to do that work– did they feel trapped?

cardiologist (let alone a controlliong, image-cosncious, cardiologist) has a child with incurable heart defect? Disabled, motor, social, vision probelms, school issues, hormonal issues to come, and a 50% chance of having CHARGE kids if she were to live and reproduce? Would her parents person consider such a life not worth living? Would her parents arrange her sedated overdose, gently ‘put her to sleep’ to preserve their own quality of life?

The fact that she had coloboma, reported behavioural issues, and disappeared is enough reason to make sure this was not euthanasia of a disabled child by slefish parents.

Where is the disability advocacy groups in UK??? Why is media not mentioning this reasonable possibility?

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How could the same be said of the Portuguese Media? At least they printed what they believed, and at least some of those claims have clearly come to fruition because they now form part of the evidence as submitted to the Judiciary. Whereas the BRITISH media published nothing that didn’t correlate the Canonised notion of the McCanns. At least the Portuguese deliberated the British Media claims with dignity and at least consideration. ‘Lying British Scumbags’ would have been an appropriate story to run. And you DO, do this Forum an injustice. Why do you preposterously presume, that because I am engaged in the Media, that I wouldn’t want to post here or discuss the case? Do you assume that such a person would not inhabit such a Forum? Are you not aware that ALL the bonafide hacks spend considerable time on here, collating discussions and following up on postings?

That is laughable, all that the Portuguese media have printed to date have been speculations just like the British. None of us are no wiser now than at the start of this investigation. But somehow you profess to know so much, to be so in the know regarding this case. I don’t buy your claim that you being supposedly legitimately involved in media position would then spend hours posting on this forum. This forum is for bored people who have nothing better to do with their time. I am only posting because it is sadly addictive but nothing on this site has been informative -absolutely NOTHING, including your constant tid bits of so called information. You strike me as someone who wants to get off on pretending that they have all these contacts so that other bozos on this site will turn to you for answers as they seem to be doing. I would love to know who you really work for and what your real job is buddy because it is not in journalism or in “investigative media”. Somoene who does research for a living knows how to be discreet and you are hardly discreet.

Also your intellect is questionable as you seem to insult people who do not agree with you. You immediately comment that they must be alcoholics. Is that the best you can come up with…please people stop listening to this moron.

I agree with you. But going on and on about the McCanns leaving their children unattended does NOT make them murderers or make them evil and uncaring parents. They made a MISTAKE.

They should NOT be thought of with the same regard you would a kidnapper/Pedophile/murderer.

I personally would not have done what they did but it was probably a far smaller risk than just putting them in a car and going for a drive. They were very unlucky.

You aren’t very bright, are you - advocating parents in their situation, with the police and media scrutinizing their every word, facial expression and move, break the LAW openly.

628 Anonymous

You dislike me for posting factual (as much as I am able to) rebuttals to the sheer nonsense some people post here?

Fine, dislike away, but I think your hatred is because you believe the McCanns are evil and guilty of something and you don’t like it when someone calls upon facts that tend to refute your beliefs.

Neither the door at the back of the apartment nor the shutterd blinds were damaged according to all reports. The outside blinds-similar to those my relatives in Germany have are virtually impossible to jemmy (which is why they fit them) without the greatest difficulty. You can only open them from the inside.

Warner, the owners have stated that their doors and windows have sophisticated locking systems. The patio door facing the pool are was unlocked or locked all according to which GMcCann reported atatement you want to take as true.

If it was a local abductor he would likely know the area and the complex.

You are perfectly correct, but I didn’t say it WAS an enclosed space I said “gives the impression of an enclosed space”

Most people feel safe in their own homes. The reality is that safety is an illusion.

With a sledgehammer/crowbar, a determined person can get into almost any house in under a minute. Windows are joke as far as security is concerned. If you have a steel cored door with reinforced heavy duty hinges and door frame and bars on every window, you would be a lot safer, but it is likely a determined person could get on the roof, rip a few tiles/slates up, punch/cut their way through the under felt and they’re in!

When my brother and I were young, I think we were 5 and 6 respectively, my parents left us alone in a cabin aboard a ship while they went to attend a function elsewhere on board……

My parents did suffer for their ‘neglect’ …….

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You’re telling me! It’s immensely obvious from your posts how much your parents suffered. Sometimes I feel I am totally empathizing with their suffering when I read your comments.

Well your honesty and abillity to really look at yourself is refreshing.