Madeleine McCann: Class War In The Anorak Forums
“ARE you all mad? (rhetorical question),” asks Parentx4 in the Anorak Forums.
A thought for you all………..if this were “Vicki Pollard” leaving 3 KIDS UNDER 3 - in Portugal, whilst she done the social thing, would you all be squabbling about “forensic evidence”?
I damn well doubt it!
I can hear her condemnation from you all right now.
Get off your “soap boxes” and ask yourselves this; do you think Social Services would allow YOU to fly around the world, meet the pope, set up an online shop, and open a charity for “financial assistance”? HELL NO.
You and your families would be subject to S47 enquiries and your kids would be on the Child Protection Register - Category “NEGLECT” before your typed your first online blog, and that would be the best outcome…………trust me.
Remember this, her parents are well educated, nearly 40 year old doctors, living in middle class suburbia - they are more than aware than most of the laws relating to children, and the risks of abandonment ok, they work with families, children, social services and the children on child protection registers - EVERY BLOODY DAY.
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October 2nd, 2007 at 5:14 am
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September 18th, 2007 at 6:43 am
Hi Stefanie, what you say makes a lot of sense. People do already know Madeleine’s face. The recognition factor, YES. By the time you gave up, well…
Okay, this is redundant but only in hindsight will I be able to understand.
Stefanie, who are you?
September 18th, 2007 at 6:33 am
IF IF IF the McCanns could possibly be holding up yellow bracelets again and KNOW Madeleine is dead the people need to do some time for that alone. Think about it. IF
September 17th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
In addition to prejudice, there’s another reason why there’s more sympathy for a well-to-do couple: because they can pay for the PR people to manipulate the media. Have you noticed that for the last several days - since they hired a new PR person - almost ALL the news stories about the McCanns are slanted towards their defence? Stories about how the Portuguese police are corrupt or accused of roughing up witnesses, stories about how the cadaver dogs are unreliable, how DNA is fallible, how billionaires and friends support them, how they cried at church. The deluge is amazing. It feels like OJ all over again. Are they really so worried about the unreliability of the evidence, or are they worried about the reliability of it? It’s all very unsettling.
September 17th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
I’ve tried to etablish a correlation between the quoted distance (tapas bar and the Mccanns’ appartement) and the seriousness of a newspaper.
My theory: the more tabloid a paper, the less the distance.
It started so good:
Tabloids:
Bild: 50 Meter, 40 Meter
Super-Illu: 50 Meter
österreich.at: 50 Meter
Stern: 50 Meter
Broadsheets:
Der Spiegel: 100 Meter
Berlin Zeitung: 100 Meter
Berliner Morgenpost: 100 Meter
Die Welt 100 Meter
ORF Online: 150 Meter
But then my cunning theory collapsed …
Süddeutsche Zeitung (Broadsheet): 50 Meter
Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Broadsheet): 50 Meter
Die Zeit (Broadsheet): 50
Der Spiegel: 50 (formerly 100)
Bild: 100 Meter (formerly 50, 40)
Stern: 100 Meter (formerly 50)
(How can I login here, please? It says I’m logged in, but as a “.”)
September 17th, 2007 at 9:55 am
Good morning.
Pete, what do you suppose someone with all of that leopard would go over with Mike?
Mike Hondemburst Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I’m First.
Just a thought?
September 17th, 2007 at 9:11 am
I like that Pete. May have to plagiarise it!
September 17th, 2007 at 8:45 am
The most reliable indicator of class is by counting leopard-print apparel;
working class - 2 or more items of leopard-print clothing worn together.
working/middle - 1 item of leopard-print worn at a time; not trousers.
middle class - leopard-printed scarf only; takes piss out of other items.
upper class - leopard skin on wall.
September 17th, 2007 at 4:36 am
I’m sorry your visit wasn’t a good one where the country and it’s masses are concerned.
Everyone can be rude from time to time, I doubt most of it came from a prejudice against you, it probably was just the person being stressed/cranky.
I’ve lived in England off and on for a couple years, and will continue to do so in the future. While I think some segments of the service industry aren’t the best, I always thought the “everyday” people were quite nice.
Good people come from all around the world, including the British Isles, as do amazing friends.
September 17th, 2007 at 4:31 am
#53 Kate Ingleton,
You should hear the accents here but there are no pick pockets.
September 17th, 2007 at 3:14 am
Brits cant believe a white, middle class, professional, older couple would kill their golden child. -Where have you been? There are plenty of Brits posting here who dont believe a word the McCanns say.
So much easier to believe some greasy foreigner took her.- Robert Murat was British.
Brits need to get over it and “Shut-up” and let the investigation run it’s course.- Coldnt agree more, but every where I go in Scotland theres pictures of her and people walking around wearing “Maddie” t-shirts.
Having travelled to the UK I have been a victim of constant rudeness because I spoke with a foreign accent…Australian.- As I said Im Scottish and I got it when I lived in London.
God knows how I would have been treated if I was black or Asian and spoke a language other than English.- Like royalty. Apparently its racial EQUALITY !?!
Im really am sorry you have a bad experience in Britain, but we are not all as you say. In Scotland your race is irrelavant, just dont ask about religion!
September 17th, 2007 at 2:23 am
I soooo cant believe someone finally had the guts to print the truth. And imagine if the mother had been Black or Asian, single and on welfare. A Black or Asian Vicki Pollard….perhaps Ting Tong from Tooting’s single sister. (Little Britain… LOVE it guys!)
Brits cant believe a white, middle class, professional, older couple would kill their golden child. But they’d believe ANYTHING of the working class or welfare recipients. If it were one of Vicky Pollard’s brood or the black or Asian mother already mentioned, Brits would be saying “well you’d expect it from that sort of person, wouldn’t you, know wha’ I mean?”.
But NOT the McCanns. So much easier to believe some greasy foreigner took her. So much easier to believe the Portugese police are incompetent or corrupt, they are foreign too.
In reality “Stranger Danger” is no where near as bad as we teach our kids. MOST children physically or sexually abused, kidnapped or murdered are the victims of domestic abuse, parental cruelty or incompetence, or are taken or abused by a family friend or relative, regardless of colour, ethnicity, language, class, profession or age.
Brits need to get over it and “Shut-up” and let the investigation run it’s course.
But sadly it doesn’t matter what evidence is proven against the McCanns, many Brits will still protest their innocence and blame foreigners. Xenophobic, Racist, Classist, Elitist, White Supremist BRITS.
Having travelled to the UK I have been a victim of constant rudeness because I spoke with a foreign accent…Australian. God knows how I would have been treated if I was black or Asian and spoke a language other than English. I’ve lived and worked in South-East Asia, I’ve travelled to many countries, I have NEVER experienced racism like I did in the UK. I would NEVER, despite having family in the UK (my husband is British by birth, Australian by choice) go back to the UK. British attitudes are driving tourists away in the millions. But then they don’t mind, they don’t like foreigners coming to their country anyhow.
I am ashamed of my British ancestry. I would rather consider myself, a 4th generation white Australian, as a South South East Asian, after all we are geographically part of south east Asia and people there are so much more accepting of those who have different accents, languages, skin colour, religion (or lack of), customs etc. My Asian friends are priceless. I would never have a Pom as a friend.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Clarify, I mean the entire situation a bad scene.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
#46 Bonnie
You might have a better idea than I do about all of that. I am not qualified to judge in that respect but I started observing more after first writing off a lot. This case just blows me away. YES.
Also, without making observations in person there is much chance of error, my opinion.
I could easily believe Mr. McCann as a doctor could have a tendency to cover up, having observed a lot of that kind of behavior although never to that extent…
Mrs. early on I figured was upset but past that point too foreign for me to understand.
Sum it up, a bad scene.
September 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Stefanie,
I thought I had seen a lot but the McCanns have been another level. One thing for sure is they do deserve each other. Maybe the problem so many people have thinking is what would anyone know to do with those two? If true, amazing how they tried to run a hustle on the world, even further exploiting the child and selling bracelets, etc. The only way I can deal with it is in hindsight. Maybe the notice was worth all the time and money spent. I doubt seriously any of us will see anything quite like this again.
September 16th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Ooh, I dunno. Once everyone has canceled their subscriptions to Virgin and defected to Sky, he might need a bob or two. Lol.
September 16th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Stevo said…. I won’t be spending a single penny with his Virgin empire.
I bet he’s quaking in his boots! Not.
September 16th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
46 - Bonnie
You’re spot on with everything you wrote…
As for Branson wanting to fund their legal defence, I have always been a regular flyer on Virgin Airlines but I won’t anymore. Why he’s paying out for possible murderers, I won’t be spending a single penny with his Virgin empire.
There are many people who could do with money to legally defend themselves. What makes the McCanns so special?
September 16th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
These people are appealing because they’re well off professionals, are attractive, and are still able to pay attention to their hair and jewelry and jogging, even in the face of such an extreme loss. In addition to their appeal, the McCanns themselves have sought out the media time and again, wanting attention, and wanting to control the spin. All along they have reacted in ways that show they want to keep one step ahead of the media to control what people think about them. (Even supposedly yelling, “They’ve taken her” the night Madeleine went missing, up to using their own initiative to invite child protective services to visit their home.) That’s not the normal behavior of parents whose daughter has just gone missing. It’s more like OJ Simpson saying he’s going to find the murderer of his ex-wife (except his blog would have been about golf, not jogging).
This to me is a form of mental illness - it’s narcissism, as in narcissistic personality disorder. It’s their narcissism that allowed them to leave 3 such small children alone in a holiday apartment, out of view, out of earshot, for anywhere from 15 minutes to hours. It is their narcissism that allows them to write light blogs about jogging and having lunch, while their daughter is either lost, abducted, or dead; narcissism that allows Mrs. McCann to pick out her earringsm make up her face and make sure her hair is highlighted before she meets the press; narcissism that causes her to rage when confronted with the idea she had a hand in her daughter’s disappearance.
September 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
My son is 16 & he can’t understand why all the media attention over the Mc Cann story. I told him that people sympathise etc. He says that if he or his siblings went missing no one would care less, especially not the news channels. What I can’t understand is why the media covers so little real news. We get Sky, BBC & CNN in South Africa and it’s all the same stuff all the time. 15 minutes of football, Mc Canns, the war of Terror and some other rubbish. How many countries are there in the world, and how many news worthy items? There must be millions of interesting stories. We tune in to the same stuff waiting for something to happen. It never does and I can’t understand why I keep switching on the TV or reading these blogs. I am hooked. I can’t understand the appeal of the story to the media. Nothing much happens and it’s all speculation on speculation. We are never going to know what happened, maybe thats why we keep watching & reading.
September 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
41, Our experience was exactly the same. It took a while but we finally realized that we were getting totally worn out by the hyper-excitement that our children would experience whenever on holiday. And they also got very sick on almost every trip. Travel brochures are deceptive.
I’ve seen a report that one of the couples at the bar used a baby monitor. If so, then the McCann’s did have one example of at least some form of parental care before them.
I completely agree with Anorak on this post. But I also believe it is impossible that a pair of 40 year old highly-educated, professionally trained adults who are employed in the care business did not know that something would eventually happen to one of their small children if they left them alone and unprotected long enough. Find the real reason that the parents were intentionally leaving their children alone. It may be nothing more than psychological evidence that they didn’t care about their children’s well-being. Whatever it is, it is linked to the disappearance of their little daughter.
September 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Jill, I think so too! It´s time the McCanns tell the truth! They will start a new campgne! Why? Everyone in the world knows Maddie´s face!
September 16th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Do the people who think nothing of leaving three 2/3 year olds alone in an apartment that is neither in view or earshot of an adult have any experience as parents of several small children? If you don’t, and you haven’t studied statistics on childhood deaths, then why post on this particular subject?
September 16th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Pat, I don´t know! I think she is dead! Perhaps the parents had killed her! The most of german people think so! Compassion about the parents is gone with the wind! Parents who are missing her child are broken people! I think broken people looks not so like the McCanns! They have something to hide! Perhaps Robert Murat had killed her! Bud I don´t belive that now!
September 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
How often did the Mc Canns check on their children? I have heard/read different time periods: 15 minutes, 30 minutes and every hour!!! I think that if they checked them every 15 mins then they may as well have stayed at home. I have 3 kids and they wake up often during the evenings, especially on holiday. They wake each other up too! In fact I hated holidays when the kids were young. Holidays with kids are stressful. Kids are out of their routines and often get ill because of the change of food & water. My kids never slept as well as at home because they had to share a room. This made if difficult getting them to sleep. If one of the kids woke up they often woke up the others. Also if you keep coming back to check on the kids you run the risk of waking them. Who in their right mind wouldn’t use a baby sitter? What’s amazing is that their friends thought their behaviour was normal. If I went out with someone who left 3 small children at home (even 100 yards away) it would worry me. I also worry about the medical training doctors receive in the UK, if the Mc Canns are anything to go by. Surely doctors know what is acceptable when parenting? When one of my kids was a toddler she got hold of a bottle of paracetemol and had to have her stomach pumped. My GP had a fit and phoned me at home afterwards to give me a lecture about it. I think people’s sympathies lie with the McCanns because they are good looking, well educated, well spoken people. Imagine what people would think of them if they were fat and poor.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Amanda Says:
September 16th, 2007 at 5:43 am
My point wasn’t to defend their actions on the night in question, but to defend the family.
Amanda Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Okay, first of all, they were LESS THAN 100 YARDS AWAY! They weren’t even off hotel property. That’s like having a barbecue in a large back yard while your children are asleep in the house. This is NOT neglect. It isn’t as if the parents left their children to go downtown to a nightclub, that would be neglect. No, less than 100 yards away, still on the hotel property, checking on your children every 15 minutes, is not neglect.
If that’s not defending the parents’ criminal negligence, I don’t know what is.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Stefanie I read about Ylenia. Tonight I spent time catching up on the case. After reading a few news articles, helpful in some way, I read most of the posts. What do you think happened to Madeleine? If you don’t mind please keep me posted. Tomorrow will turn busy again until Wednesday night. In some kind of way more is learned on here than in the news articles. Thanks,
September 16th, 2007 at 7:09 am
31. Cowmilla,
Thanks for the apology but I was not aware I angered you. I am deeply sorry if I did. Even though I am not sure what I said which sparked it off & I don’t know what “odd bid” means I extend a sincere apology to you & anyone else for that matter!
I’ve enjoyed reading your comments & those of others even when I do not fully agree. There are a lot of interesting theories & insights being expressed on this forum. I don’t let it get me down when personalities get tangled. I never take that kind of stuff personally.
We are now living very happily in Italy but I am from the United (quickly crumbling) States (Apolgies for that too! But it’s my ancestors who left not me!!!)
Again I am sorry if something I said hurt your feelings. I can only think it was my comments on religion? If it was - I do apolgize (wrote an apology on that thread as well) - again I was not singling out the RC if that is what you thought.
Take care
September 16th, 2007 at 6:19 am
32 Krissie,
Honestly, yes you would be responsible.
Now reactions by the public to your degree of responsibility would be gauged by the following:
1) If you left them alone to go out to drink (maybe very drunk) and eat
2) If you had a neighbor/friend/family member who offered to watch the kids (as the Mark Warner Resort had several childcare options for guests’ with kids which the McCann’s did not take advantage of in the evening when they went out)
3) If you did not physically assist in the search for your child but instead had time to manage writing a blog, visit the pope, travel around the world, go jogging etc……
4) If instead of hiring your own detectives and crime experts you instead spent hundreds of thousands on PR and media consultants
5) If you never expressed sorrow for leaving your young children unsupervised in an unlocked holida apartment to the public
6) If you legally branded your child’s name and a design of her unusual colomba (eye marking) as a trademark within a week or so of her disappearance (as the McCanns have done)
September 16th, 2007 at 6:16 am
Of course, don’t ask a suspicious, possible registered sex offender who has a knack for IT, etc. that would be disastrous. I’m digging myself a hole here, it is quite sad we have to worry about such things, but apparently we do!
I’m pretty sure the majority of parents do a decent job at raising their children (regardless of the different opinions on what is acceptable or not).
I think the most important thing is to find out where the girl is and/or what happened to her. If this means the case turns towards the family to extract information, so be it. If there weren’t obvious holes in the timeline of the night, there probably wouldn’t be a problem. That doesn’t make them guilty, but concerning not questioning them, well I feel Madeleine (the child) and her justice is what is important at this time. When that is sorted, if it is sorted/until full investigation stops, then we can focus on the potential injustice of the McCanns and Mr. Murat (adults).
September 16th, 2007 at 5:56 am
(32) And just an idea (for anyone), my sister’s nursery has a webcam, so family members with special codes can log in and see their children at play, napping, whatever suits them! It is a really handy thing and quite amusing, I must say. I haven’t tried it, as I’m too young for children now, but I imagine if you know anyone with a knack for IT, you could ask them to install something similar and probably get it much cheaper than having to pay for any “systems” sold in stores.
Redundant, I realize, as everyone knows about their options. But to be responsible, I suppose it is good to remind people about the great uses for today’s technology.