Madeleine McCann: Robert Murat Innocent, Private Detectives & Kate McCann’s Hot Lips
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
DAILY MIRROR front page: “WE’LL FIND HER OURSELVES. Maddy parents bring in SAS private detectives”.
Kate and Gerry McCann have hired Control Risk Group, billed as a “crack security firm”, to find their daughter.
Page 5: “THE PROFESSIONALS” – There’s TV show in this. The Portuguese police could be the Keystone Cops, at least that’s what the tabloid press portrays them as.
“Millionaire ex-double glazing boss” is the mystery benefactor paying McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell’s wages. The former window cleaner owns Sale Sharks ruby union club. Look out for their new sponsor.
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE. ‘McCanns ARE LYING’ - Portuguese police says friends are in cover-up.”
Robert Murat is to be told he will not face charges. Kate and Gerry McCann will be the only named suspects.
“SMILING” – The WORLD’S GREATEST NEWSPAPERS leads with a picture of Kate McCann grinning.
Pages 4 and 5: “Kidnap? We just don’t; believe it.” It is reported in Portugal that an unnamed Irishman has come forward to say he was in the same place as the McCanns’ friend Jane Tanner. She told police she had seen a man carrying child dashing from the Ocean Club resort in the direction of Robert Murat’s home. The new witness says he saw no-one.
“’GUILT’ OF PARENTS - More than 60 per cent think the couple know what has happened to Madeleine.”
“WHEN KATE WAS HOT LIPS HEALEY” – 15 YEARS AGO Kate was nicknamed hot lips for her resemblance to Loretta Swit in TV comedy M*A*S*H. The Express has seen her Dundee University year book and the comments - “Kate was great fun”; “renowned for alcoholic binges and some ‘dance till you drop’ nocturnal activities”; “she was certainly more interested in going to the pub than she was in her studies” etc.
DAILY STAR front page: “MADDIE: PARENTS ARE LYING. Cops say McCanns & friends tried to frame suspect Murat.”
Pages 4 and 5: “McCANNS ‘ARE LYING’.”
A phone poll: “DO YOU BELIEVE THE McCANNS ARE LYING?” Let’s see if we can top that 60 per cent in the Star’s sister paper the Daily Express. Vote now and vote often.
THE SUN pages 12 and 13: “TWIN’S LIFT FOR MUM AND DAD.”
Kate and Gerry McCann are with son Sean. They have been to Mass. Kate sobs when Ave Maria is sung. Daughter Amelie is in nursery school. She is plying with the Cuddle Cat. She bursts into laughter, “her giggles rang around the building”.
DAILY MAIL front page: “Madeleine:
• Ex-SAS team joins hunt
• New sighting in Morocco
• Kate breaks down in church
• Police accused over forensics”
Page 8: “McCanns hire an ex-SAS team to hunt for Maddie.”
“Second witness supports sighting in Morocco” – Remember when Marl Pollard said she saw Madeleine in Morocco? Now we lean that a man also saw Madeleine in Morocco.
THE INDEPENDENT PAGE 17: “Murat no longer suspect.”
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 10: “McCanns hired detective firm with ex-SAS men”. Under Portuguese law, the McCanns are not permitted to carry out their own investigation in Portugal. But they can investigate in other countries.
THE TIMES front page: “McCann investigators” – McCanns hire private security firm.
Pages 12 and 13: “How they managed to turn campaign around.” The McCanns are “winning the propaganda war”. They have gone on the “offensive”.
A family source says: “It is for the police to prove they are guilty.”
GUARDIAN: No Madeleine news today.
Posted: 24th, September 2007 | In: Madeleine McCann Comments (1,048) | Follow the Comments on our RSS feed: RSS 2.0 | TrackBack | Permalink
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September 25th, 2007 at 1:11 am
TonyB:
I think your first outline scenario today (way above) went along the ‘accidental OD’ line - and with various possible subordinate variations it seems pretty much the most likely type of scenario, and the one that was central to the PJ’s inquiries, at least up till the recent interrogations - when they started talking about possible murder charges, since the McCanns wouldn’t tell them where the body was.
Then I think, in a later post on this thread, you suggested accidental death as a result of Kate lashing out in frustration. That was also, clearly,a main line of inquiry the PJ were following.
The PJ had/have to follow EVERY line of enquiry not completely ruled out by well-substantiated evidence. They see a vast mountain of circumstantial evidence as a very clear sign of K & G covering up for SOMETHING. Clearly they (PJ) still don’t know what that SOMETHING is.
The evidence suggests strongly that the very least the McCanns are covering up is sedation with something more exotic than Calpol. I’m not sure the PJ have yet completely ruled out abduction by person(s) unknown - but as Gerry’s new lawyers have pointed out to him recently, this would pretty much imply the intruder must have been in the apartment with him at 9:05 (not enough time between 9:25 and 9:30 to enter through the patio windows, get Madeleine, and leave through the window onto the garden & street without being seen.
As that’s now a very unlikely (but maybe just possible) scenario, we’re left with sedation + violence, or sedation leading to something (some have suggested failed emergency tracheotomy following allergy-induced throat blockage) that would cause bleeding (on the floor and windowsill, and perhaps curtains).
Apparently the blood on the windowsill was a ‘cleaned drop’. Whoever criticized the relevance of the blood forensics book on this thread was wrong to base their criticism on the fact the blood had been cleaned away. Ultraviolet detection of remaining cells and decomposition products would show the pattern of the original deposit, which is fundamental to possible scenarios of how the blood might have got there.
Then there’s the fact that a body would have had to have been lifeless in the apartment for at least 2 hours before removal for the cadaver dog to react as it did. On the face of it this seems to rule out the otherwise interesting and viable possibility that O’Brien alone (with or without Tanner - they could even stored and disposed of the body unknown to the McCanns) was responsible for death, not the McCanns, as suggested by another poster today.
Finally there’s the question of motivation for accomplices. O’Brien as source of the sedative seems the most likely motivation for a very risky role as accessory to manslaughter, and perverting the course of justice (10 years?), and quite possibly disposing of the body (while the McCanns were on their European tour). I really can’t buy the involvement in any of those roles of the remaining Tapas 5, since a few years in prison and the wreckage of their careers and families is probably too much counter-motivation, and also, the more people are brought into the loop, the greater risk of divergent stories, one link breaking &c.
So - sorry for the very long post, but are you more inclined to OD or lethal trauma? On the OD hypothesis, how do you account for the blood remains?
(BTW - what was Madeleine supposed to be doing ‘under the couch’ - I think it’s actually a folding bed inthe living-room, and must have been quite a squeeze:
http://www.bookmyvillas.com/viewphoto.asp?piccaption=Kitchen%20from%20lounge&picture=/photos/10002_6.jpg )
September 25th, 2007 at 1:09 am
night blunger
Day 150 on sunday
whos prediction was that again?
September 25th, 2007 at 1:01 am
Cant take any more. Migraine zigzags obscuring the page. Ill soon be unable to read for about ten minutes.
Very interesting phenomenon - because these “images” are generated in the brain, not from the retina, they have a “super-real” abstracted quality. Like the pure concept of an image, rather than the image itself.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:50 am
821 “you seem like one sad guy with too much time on your hands.”
You don’t give him enough credit, he’s very clever. People will be dead keen to put their spite where their mouth is and so will be falling over their tongues to contribute large sums to the cause.
Do you not realise that the instigation and pursuit of legal actions is expensive - you have to PAY the legal fees! Now who do you think will be the recipient of those fees?
It’s utterly brilliant, Wish I had thought of it first. Do exactly what others have been accusing the McCanns of doing, re the Madeleine fund, but which they clearly haven’t been doing.
All those accusations were probably the inspiration for the idea. Got to take my hat off to him for recognizing an opportunity when it presents itself.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:50 am
If the McCanns are intelligent and rational, they should never even EXPECT an apology from anyone who honestly suspects them without using insulting language.
Until this case is solved it is our duty to suspect and investigate ANYONE against whom there is a believable piece of evidence, or even a who had opportunity.
Even the parents. NOT to do so is a betrayal of Madeleine, and of all the little children in the future whose treatment or discovery may be affected by lessons to be learned or punishments to be given.
Not to calim unjustified certainty, but to explore and calculate probabilities, on the route to finding the truth.
Why can’t the McCanns see that they should welcome being investigated, and co-operate fully. Maybe the PJ could just possibly successfully frame a nobody like Murat. But them, now, in this atmosphere ? Absolutely no danger.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:42 am
887 Bull
bull Says:
September 25th, 2007 at 12:19 am
#883 hope it wont be to anyone as cynical and twisted as you and your sprogs.
Not only do you turn a blind eye to child abuse from the mc canns own mouth
you then decide to insult my children ?
I may be cynical and twisted
I prefer informative and imaginative,
or protective and suspicious
that statement is so ” ludricous!!”
I suppose you will turn up in another name tomorrow
You have sunk to a new low on here
insulting a fellow poster, who can choose to ignore or insult back
but attacking a posters kids is low
They are tucked up happy in bed 10 ft away
I can here them breathe
the doors are locked
attack the parents who deserve it!!! you daft impressionable person!!
September 25th, 2007 at 12:39 am
Natalya
“Would you all flock here and show remorse for your insults/accusations/sick jokes/innuendoes/name-calling and outrageous insulting comments towards the family of the McCanns”
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I’m sorry, Natalya, I have to object to that in the strongest possible terms. You are yourself insulting many of us here by using the word “all” and tarring all “non-believers” with the same brush.
I and quite a lot of others have never done any of the things you list.
If you look carefully you will I expect find that the posters using rude and insulting language are about equal in both “camps” if you insist on such a simplified viewpoint.
Simplified because many of those you seem to think of as “Anti-McCann” are simply weighing probabilities, keeping their minds open to the possibility that things might change, and never claiming any certain guilt for the McCanns, merely that they may (often regrettably) judge it to be most likely.
Except for the child neglect thing, which seems pretty certainly established out of their own mouths. Actual criminality depending on the exact wording of portuguese law, to which as yet we don’t have access.
So, Natalya. I OBJECT to the insult in your post. You are guilty of stereotyping, and also I suggest of over-simplified black/white thinking.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:35 am
826 brandoflour
“Indiana knight was paid vast sums no doubt from clarence from maddies fund”
That would explain why she says this then:
“The tide won’t be stemmed and the appointment of a Max Clifford figure will make things worse, not better.”
She was right though - big mistake.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:34 am
879 Natalya
I know it seems arrogant to condemn the McCanns and accuse them of involvement in the disappearance - even the killing - of their own daughter.
Honest answer to your question - in the highly unlikely event that Madeleine is found, I would be delighted for her and the McCanns, and I would be very sorry that I had been unduly suspicious of them. But I would still criticise them - heavily - for drinking every night away at the Tapas bar and leaving their Madeleine and the two twins in an unlocked apartment near a main road.
Now I’ve answewed your question, could I ask for something back.
Would you accept that there have been many recorded instances in history when someone has done something really terrible - a murder - and then that person has tried to deceive the press and the public by putting forward a believable alternative?
Now would you study, as I have done, all the amazing inconsistencies, blatant contradictions, false stories, sudden recollections of new ‘facts’ in the case, etc. etc. - and I mean study them - because that takes hours and hours of patient work. Then look carefully at the body language and words used in the video clips of the McCanns, if necessary consulting someone who knows about body language. Also look at the convoluted explanations the McCanns and their sources have come up with to try and discredit the PJ - things like ‘the smell of death could be rotting meat’ or ‘I think the abductor may have been in the same room as me when I went to check on the children’.
We are on this forum to try to get at the truth. You cannot do so without studying a lot of the available material.
After you’ve done all that, see if you don’t have at least a few doubts as to whether Gerry and Kate McCann are telling you and me - and the world - the truth about the ‘disappearance’ of their daughter
September 25th, 2007 at 12:23 am
887 Bull
ahem what has it do with my ” sprogs” ?
What a silly response !!!
September 25th, 2007 at 12:22 am
“It seems like the most likely explanation to me - Occam’s razor.”
Now I can respect that Stig, and if I had never heard a whisper of any evidence, seen a tv interview, etc, I might agree with you.
Parental body-hiding and disposal, particularly if more than two people must keep agree, is prima facie less likely than an abduction by a single person.
But everything I have seen and heard, despite all the obvious defects as solid evidence due to the secrecy laws, has built up a weight of a myriad small individual circumstances. Each alone means little. But together they are enough to swing the probabilities fairly substantially the other way. For me.
We are dealing with very unlikely alternatives all round, but as you say, someone DOES win the lottery, and Maddy IS missing.
The abduction theory is good in requiring no Tapas9, or perpetrator conspiracy. Bad in requiring very substantial police conspiracy.
The body hiding theory is bad in requiring at that at least G & K conspire, and maybe even more of the Tapas9. But it is good in that it requires no conspiracy from officialdom.
I should add that for me Murat seemed SO easy to frame, it would be ridiculous to frame anyone else.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Just a thought to leave you with.
How has this affected our children?
I have only explained to my children that Madeleine was a little girl that went missing from her hotel room on holiday because her parents went to dinner without the children leaving them in danger…and i told them that we would never do that to them so it is not something they should worry about.
All was well I thought until we were going through customs this Summer and my little boy noticed a poster of Maddie on a wall.
At the top of his voice he shouted…look Mummy theres a picture of that missing girl and she has blood all over her head where someone has bashed her in.
I did not know quite what to say to that …I had to explain again to him in front of the que of tourists…..but it does worry me now about how the children are dealing with the constant media coverage…they are scaring children…if it is all a lie…I for one would want to see them go to jail !
September 25th, 2007 at 12:20 am
874 ola
surprise indeed
September 25th, 2007 at 12:20 am
879 Natalya
What will the blind apologists do if the mCcanns are guilty. You do realise that if Madeleine were found alive that the suspicions may not end there….? Could still have been orchestrated. We are basing our thoughts on leaks that the portugese police believe her dead. And with no evidence of an abduction, what else is to be assumed here anyway? Are they suspects for a laugh? We anti-McCann people are far from stupid but that doesnt mean there isnt a remote chance we’re wrong.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:19 am
#883 hope it wont be to anyone as cynical and twisted as you and your sprogs.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 am
877
871 tony bennett
maybe having a “social tennis ” session with eachother and topping up afternoon nap time?!!!!
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 am
#878 thanks for the post it was hillarious.
“It is the latest indication that the ‘FLIMSY’ police file against Kate and Gerry McCann is not enough to charge them. ”
REPLY:errrh remind me again - how many files were there????
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“Without the little girl’s body, everything is extremely complicated. ”
REPLY:Oh this is laughable if it wasnt so bloody tragic!
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There have been cases in which it was possible to obtain a conviction without there being a victim, but there were confessions.”
REPLY: Ya you beat the mother to a pulp till she signed a confession rememeber?
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“If we have a body, our work is done for us. If we don’t, we have to dig deeper and work harder.”
REPLY: DUhhhhh well hurray! now that is what real policemen do.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:16 am
679 Natalya
I have said this before : I wouldn’t be happier than Madeleine is still alive, or at least if she was dead that her parents had nothing to do with her death.
But I have so many doubts, like most people have, I guess.
And if I am wrong, I’ll gladly tell you all I was wrong and ask for forgivenance to whom I have thought ill of.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:13 am
we would rejoice Alleluyah
Maddies alive !!!!!!!!!
now give her and her twin sibs to a family who will love and care for them and not leave them to fend for themselves
Let the teflon2 return to swinging tappas and tennis and pay for them from their whining blogs and book sales
the best selling “have you checked the children” tshirts campain aimed at
midnight dining holiday makers everywhere
justice for madeleine and twins at last
September 25th, 2007 at 12:13 am
880. So you do have a sense of humour ….wink….lol
September 25th, 2007 at 12:11 am
Nahh ~879 A very nice thought but I doubt it, thats what normal people do.
Or on second thoughts - normal people dont spend weeks ad nauseum on other peoples lives in the first place.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:10 am
872 hotlips
September 25th, 2007 at 12:06 am
May we have a little light relief? I have a question for you - well for the anti-McCann ?????? (I can’t think of a word to call you all that is not offensive)
How do you think that you would/will re-act if/when Madeleine is found - whatever the circumstances are - and the McCanns are found to be not guilty.
Would you all flock here and show remorse for your insults/accusations/sick jokes/innuendoes/name-calling and outrageous insulting comments towards the family of the McCanns or would you just drift off.
I know that your immediate comments now will be that you are sure that they are guilty, and that you could not possibly be wrong -but only the person/people responsible for whatever happened is 100% sure - unless of course you have super powers - but then of course some of you do think that don’t you?
I really would be interested to know.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:05 am
Lie Detector..of course it was a ruse..since as any “fooul” knows they are not reliable.
Latest sob story courtesy of Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483577&in_page_id=1811&ct=5
September 25th, 2007 at 12:05 am
871
Don’t think O’Brien had the opportunity to do this. Where was Madeleine 1.29pm onwards and who with, that is the key question. Why O’Brien and Tanner seem to have been the ones to co-operate with the McCanns and in O’Brien’s case possibly remove the body is unclear
September 25th, 2007 at 12:05 am
“Ebay item number: 270166404000″
Got a smile out of me……..
September 25th, 2007 at 12:03 am
861 wtf
“if the likelihood of abduction is agreed to be miniscule, then what makes Stig think that abduction actually happened?”
It seems like the most likely explanation to me - Occam’s razor. People DO win the Euro milliions lottery, despite the incredibly low odds. The McCanns lost the lottery and I feel very sorry for them and Madeleine.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:02 am
“surprised”
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/british-police-liaison-officer.html
September 25th, 2007 at 12:00 am
Midnight at the Oasis…
Goodnight all. Thanks for the chat.
September 25th, 2007 at 12:00 am
Ebay item number: 270166404000
You asked me to divulge that Stig!