Madeleine McCann: Danie Krugel Is The Locator, Gerry McCanns The Roof And Paedo Alert
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
NEWS OF THE WORLD front page: “Maddie was alive on beach”
“A renowned international manhunt expert, dubbed The Locator, sensationally revealed he has uncovered a telltale DNA trail left by snatched toddler Maddie McCann”
THE LOCATOR – in the papers and all over Praia da Luz from Sunday (see press for details). Anyone else see a made-for-TV series or a fly-on-the-wall documentary?
Ex-cop Danie Krugel has tracked the “forensic route” he believed her kidnapper took from her Madeleine’s Portuguese holiday apartment. It ends on the beach
Says Krugel: I spent four nights in July carrying out my searches. I’ve been able to trace where Madeleine was in the resort and have drawn a map which has been given to the police.
“I can’t reveal details as I don’t want to alert anyone who might try to disturb the scene. But I believe I’ve traced where she was taken that night and now it’s down to police to use their search experts to do the rest. The area to which my investigation led me is a difficult one to search”
Disturb the scene? The beach at a popular tourist destination made famous by the disappearance of a little girl? Yes, best not disturb that. And tell the wind and the tide to stop, too
A source “close” to the McCanns says: “The work of Mr Krugel should not be underestimated and gives great hope to Gerry and Kate. Many people have contacted the couple to try to help but while their hearts may be in the right place they just don’t have the expertise to be of assistance. But Mr Krugel has a proven record of finding people and his methods are extremely credible”
Like this credible helper. And this one. And this one. And this one…
SUNDAY MIRROR front page: “MADELEINE SENSATION – BOYFINDER CALLED IN”
• McCanns hire leading DNA expert
• He pinpoints area on local beach
• New cops urged to start digging
And fishing…
“Desperate Kate and Gerry McCann” sent a strand of Madeleine’s hair to South African police colonel Danie Krugel. The Locator has located the spot where Madeleine’s body is buried
SUNDAY PEOPLE: “WOMAN WHO COST MADDIE FUND £51K”
“Anguished Gerry McCann sensationally split from the expert masterminding the worldwide hunt for his missing daughter Madeleine after she put in a whopping £20,000 overtime and expenses bill”
PR Justine McGuinness charged Gerry and wife Kate £51,000 for 89 days’ work. “Her basic fee was £350 a day, making a total of £31,000. And the rest was made up in overtime payments and expenses - including bar and restaurant bills”
A source says Gerry saw the bill and “hit the roof”. He was “livid”
So she went. And was replaced by Clarence Mitchell
“Gerry was the only one who wanted Clarence,” readers learn. “He was determined to get him after building a strong relationship with him in Portugal. But nobody else wanted him because he had given Kate and Gerry - what some of the family thought of as - questionable advice”
Can the McCanns’ PRs get a PR before their names and sullied?
SUNDAY EXPRESS front page: “New police chief turns screw on McCanns”
MAIL ON SUNDAY: “MPs demand record of child-tracking devices over paedophile fears”
Oh?
“New laws to regulate the use of high-tech child-tracking devices are being called for by MPs amid fears they could be used by paedophiles and stalkers. The technology is aimed at parents wanting to keep tabs on their children after a series of high-profile child murders and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann”
Maybe all adults should be chipped instead? Or children paedo-proofed - why let it ruin your holiday?
THE TIMES: “Detective who suspected Kate and Gerry McCann may lead hunt”
Luis Neves, 41, is seen as a forerunner to replace Goncarlo Amaral as lead detective. He was seen by the McCanns as a “breath of fresh air” when he joined the inquiry team.
“But he later became convinced she had died in an accident in the McCanns’ apartment”
Or will it be Carlos do Carmo? He has no previous connection with the case, and was Amaral’s predecessor as director of the police in Portimao. The Times says he earned the respect of colleagues after bringing the killer of a police officer to justice
Who will it be: Carmo or Neves? Press your keypads now!
Or C: The British Supercop?
SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: “Police have open minds, insists Kate McCann”
“Kate and Gerry McCann are ‘furious’ at Portuguese police claims that British detectives believe their missing daughter Madeleine is dead”
Says Kate McCann to friends: “The police have told us they have an open mind. Of course we accept it’s possible Madeleine may no longer be alive but we don’t know and nor do the police, so we have to do everything we can to find her”
Clarence Mitchell refuses to comment on “the latest unfounded, unsubstantiated rumours”
A source says: “”Quite how any child would die falling off a sofa is beyond me”
She fell off the sofa? Really…
THE OBSERVER: “Forensic DNA tests ‘reveal traces of Madeleine’s body on resort beach’”
“Retired” South African police superintendent Daniel Krugel is on the beach
Are you?
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October 8th, 2007 at 12:54 am
Innocenttillproveninnocent
Jesus, that is some pretty sick stuff. Do you have a link for its source?.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:52 am
Parents that spend a minimal amount of time with their children might not be ideal parents but are not necessarily neglectful or abusive, unless they do not have arrangements with other responsible adults to provide adequate supervision and care for their children.
Other than leaving the children alone at night (in an unlocked apt., etc.) and possibly using some method of sedation, I would not have a problem with parents on holiday making full use of child care resources available at the resort. Living with toddlers and preschoolers can be very stressful on the individual parents but also on a couple’s relationship. Perhaps the McCanns needed time to unwind away from the pressures of their daily life, but still be close enough to their children to stay in contact on a daily basis and give comfort during their mealtimes and bedtime (but not during the evenings out). If the child care facilities and employees are excellent, the children would probably not mind this arrangement much, if at all.
If they regularly spent very little time with their children in their UK home environment also, then they are manufacturing an image of a close, loving family that in reality might not be so rosy. We really have no idea what their home life is like.
I don’t like thinking the worst of the McCanns, at least not anything more than reports of ‘evidence’ and speculation the press provides. Not saying anyone else should feel the same way, though.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:32 am
Some astrologists and psychics have suggested child abuse in this case. What we others have are just leaks and rumours.
I find this insight of Rev.Hubbard of 21.7.2007 on UK-skeptics site extraordinary because of its timing and details. Just some extracts:
…
Mummy mean to me.
Daddy protected me from Mumsy.
Mummy put prickly things in my arms.
Made me sleepy.
Crying, I’m always cranky and crying.
Upset because of Diseases.
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Murat good person did not hurt me.
Mummy hurt me.
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Mummy likes different Daddy’s.
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Woke up crying.Hot.
No diaper, messed my pants.
Mummy angry.
Not feel well.
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Shoved up against wall by Mummy.
…
Another Person came in room.
On of Mummy’s wrestling partners
Mummy gave the garbage bag with me inside to him.
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Mummy watched from balcony.
Hurting but no emotion.
Like a goodbye stare.
Man walks alley to look.
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Rev.Hubbard can you help my Mummy.
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It was an accident Mummy.
Do not cry no more Mummy.
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Why keep fighting as when I was there.
Still fighting all the time.
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I will always be with you Mummy.
…
October 8th, 2007 at 12:07 am
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199697/cmhansrd/vo970127/debtext/70127-11.htm
this is an interesting article - and happened well before this case
- a small extract
‘Sophie Hook was a cherished child, who illustrated the fact that good parents are as vulnerable as bad parents to having their children abducted; that is a salutary lesson for all of us.
On a hot night two summers ago while on holiday, Sophie Hook was sleeping in a tent with her two cousins in a garden in north Wales. From there, she was abducted by a creature called Howard Hughes. He was notorious in his neighbourhood for his paedophile and other anti-social tendencies, and was regarded as a ticking time bomb. He was 6 ft 8 in tall, and wandered round the town dragging his rottweiler behind him; everyone was afraid of him. Sophie Hook, aged nine, was taken out of the tent, sexually abused, battered, beaten, tossed into the sea and left to die. ‘
October 7th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
What I don’t understand is WHY the McKillers are so concerned with their public image anyway.
I mean:why care? Madeleine has been brought to the spotlights excessively. She has probably the best recognised face of a missing child ever. Goal achieved then.
But that seems not to be the goal of the Mckillers as they suck the madeleine fund dry for their OWN pr.
Why? To win the public for them in case any charges are brought against them. To turn murder into a political issue.
I read some very good posts here tonight, heading for bed.
Good luck to the Portugese and British police who are putting in so much effort to do justice to that poor little girl.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
675, mary,
October 7th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
I have just read todays Daily Mail website about Krugal and his work-his machine is described as “cutting edge technology” and the man himself as a “professional body finder”. Without a hint of irony they criticise the police for not acting on his advice sooner and for wasting the skills of dogs on the hire car instead of the spot marked by his technique. Gerry goes running there but it would seem hair from M could not have been “innocently” transferred - that only applied when it went against the Mccanns. Also, Krugel must be more advanced than FSS as his machine can detect M’s DNA with the sure knowledge it came from her and only her-no mention of hair from the twins etc. If a body is found then maybe this gem of a machine can rule out any small chance that it was buried by anyone other than the “abductor”. Am I going crazy Judge Dread?
October 7th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
664,Thea,
Good for Brian Kennedy. I’m sure they’re very grateful.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
(Where are the post numbers?) – Tony Bennett Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
FURIOUS GERRY MCCANN: “”YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELVES”
Edit…..
Here’s one example of his ‘fury’, as **reported** from the Sol newspaper. I **think** it was **probably** a highly accurate report of his ‘phone call. I **think** **possibly** ‘incandescent’ might have captured his mood better, though:
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Gerry and Kate’s friends, who are interrogated tightly by the PJ over almost a month, refuse to clarify this contradiction, when asked by Sol. “We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else’s business”, says David Payne, another element with the group. Minutes after we tried to contact Kate, Gerry, in a fury, calls the Sol journalist: “What do you think you are doing? Do you think you’re better than the portuguese police? I’m going to forward your contact to PJ and you will have to explain yourselves”.
UNQUOTE
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Tony, your expressing an opinion, to which we are all entitled. Look at the words highlighted like **so** above…. Just because something is **reported** in the media it doesn’t make it a ‘fact’ nor an accurate account of what actually happened. Words/phrases like, I think, probably and possibly are expressions of opinion/your interpretation.
I generally enjoy your posts, and the extent to which you go to make your points clear and supported by evidence, what little of it there is in this case. However on this occasion I think your struggling to make this one stick, in my opinion of course!
Thought, are these the sorts of events/reactions that might be discussed in cross examination to establish whether in fact someone was a grumpy munchkin?
October 7th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
thanks roger. yes it is a terrible disease but for some reason i don’t think kate fits the profile. my belief is gerry is the one who makes the demands and controls the family. but it is difficult to assess based on tv interviews, few family/friend videos and the sensationalized reporting.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Have fun & try not to dribble!
Brilliant quip manon
October 7th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
about abuse:
i would catagorize leaving such young children alone an abusive act. children wake up for all different sorts of reasons; they need a drink, bad dreams, they wet their bed, electrical wiring could spark and cause fire, children could suddenly become ill and need adult care etc…..there are so many common sense reasons why the mccann’s lack of remorse or any expression of repentence for their poor choices is an important clue into their psychological profiles. even if this stance was urged by their pr - it still shows their willingness to believe such bs.
the mccanns adamantly proclaim the impossibility of madeleine walking out of the apartment on her own. so how is it gerry believes madeleine could wake up and go off in the apartment on her own and be okay? gerry didn’t have the intelligence to check to make sure his daughter was ok? but looking back he is now certain he was in the apartment with the snatcher? yet madeleine was not screaming?
was he and everyone else out of their minds from too much alcohol or recreational drugs on may 3rd? maybe madeleine was really snatched but they are hiding atrocious parenting skills and their own drug/alcohol abuse?
maybe the children were not sedated that night but the adults were?
October 7th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Right I’ve had enough of the dim & the mentally ill for today, possibly for ever.
I could never be a psychiatrist.
Have fun & try not to dribble!
October 7th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Carmen Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Abuse? click date link above, then copy the URL/web address from your browser & email it here
Reply:
I actually said that a paedophile is more likely than a ransom kidnapper *because there has been no ransom* & women who kidnap because they want a child usually get found (she would probably be a local), PLUS there is no sex offender register.
Actually, No, you didn’t say that. I will quote you once again.
Manon Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
I’ve never thought the child was taken for money. If she had, the ransome demand would have been immediate as the child was only a means to an end, and they’d want to get rid of her asap. The longer they kept her the higher chance of them being caught. It would be an extremely thick kidnapper who thinks that the money in the fund is available for the ransome. I ‘m sure you’re far to sensible to think that yourself…
I think a paedophile is much more likely, given the slack sexual offender laws in Portugal.
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Give up Manon - I’ve forgiven you not being able to quote my accurately, but since you have no shown that you can’t even quote yourself accurately, there is no point in continuing this debate. I’m off to the new thread to have a sensible discussion with sensible people.
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Carmen give it a rest. I’ve posted all your nonsensical quotes accurately.
In my own post I should have written: ” I think a paedophile is much more likely ESPECIALLY given the slack sex offender laws in Portugal” if you want to be pedantic.
Now will you take your ridiculous, anti-factual, staggeringly dim posts & go find someone else to bore, who regards a kidnap theory involving a ransom demand to police who subsequently make Murat & the McCanns arguidos, as *sensible* and doesn’t make them roar with laughter.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Thea post natal depression. A horrible thing to suffer for all concerned.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Tony that could point to emotional detachment.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
what is pnd?
October 7th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
rosemary,
i read a few articles. all from uk press, quoting uk billionaire, brian kennedy who had pledged to pay their mortgage. for how long: i don’t know but he sounded like he was in for the long haul.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Jolie Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Manon
Actually, the fund is now also being used to pay for the McCanns’ daily living expenses since Gerry still has not returned to work and he is the family’s primary breadwinner.
I know! Living expenses incurred because they are looking full time for Madeleine is fine. Living expenses in Portugal is fine. Villa rental in Portugal is fine too (altho’ according to one poster on here it was free - I haven’t double-checked that). Why do you all have such a problem with this if it isn’t jealousy? Oh I know you care so, so, so much about Madeleine you’ll sit all day and concoct ludicrous murder/abuse theories about her parents. :rolleyes:
October 7th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Hey, Carmen
Sensible people? Right behind you!
October 7th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Well, I am certainly not jealous of the McCanns–not in any single way.
The large fund and all the other donations given to the McCanns sticks in my craw it shows the inequality that exists in the world between the haves and the have-nots–as though these two negligent parents were more worthy than other parents whose kids have disappeared and have to cope with it primarily by themselves, with the help of some family members and friends. It’s obscene, imo.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
But they can spend it on themselves–on their living expenses–see earlier post.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
I expect the fund will be used to pay the mortgage - they’d moved in quite recently, I remember.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Carmen Says:
October 7th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Dear Manon
Please learn to read and comprehend.
I said they had withdrawn £300,000 from the fund legitimately for living expenses. Someone else, helpfully, tried to explain to you that it was for renting a villa and things like that when you claimed that it was for a Caribbean cruise. You are now conflating two replies.
How on earth can you claim that ‘you all’ wish it was coming ‘to you’.
Sheer arrant nonsense. Certainly I wish it was going to help search for Madeleine - police overtime perhaps? I have never heard anyone on this site express any wish that they could ‘have’ the money. I have no idea what you could be basing this fanciful notion on.
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Look hun, there are an awful lot of thick, badly educated, jobless, mentally ill posters on this forum & I have no inclination to read seriously through all of their posts. If I mis-remembered some of the nonsense you post I’m sorry but I really don’t care.
You entirely missed the point: posters on here are bleating that the McCanns are using the money for themselves not to find Madeleine. This is factually incorrect: I pointed out they are not spending the money on Carribean cruises & Porsches. Some posters on here genuinely believe that the McCanns set up a hoax abduction to get lots of money- totally overlooking the fact that:
a) as the monetary response to Madeleine’s disappearance is unprecedented before they couldn’t possible have known that it would happen and
b) they *can’t spend the money on themselves*
I’m basing the notion that posters on here are jealous of the money their relentless obsession with the damn fund - how much is in it, what they’re spending it on, on & on & on. Whingeing why did the McCanns get all this money, this attention, this help. It’s jealousy pure & simple. And it’s very, very boring.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Roger asked: “Is there any reason to think there is a history of ‘abuse’?”
REPLY: Yes. And I would agree that if the McCanns were directly or indirectly responsible for Madeleine’s death, this probably did not come ‘out of the blue’. Here are some - shall we say - indications:
1. There was Gerry McCann’s highly unconvincing denial that he and his wife had never so much as given a spoonful of Calpol to sedate his children. Even his most ardent supporters on this Forum have conceded that he was lying when he denied it.
2. There is the curious fact that we have seen very few family photos of Madeleine being affectionately cuddled by her parents, and we have never heard her voice on any video clip. The McCanns seem strangely reluctant to talk about her, and even insisted on referring to her as ‘Madeleine’ though it is known that they called her ‘Maddie’ at home. The parents’ relationship with Madeleine seems to be something of an enigma.
3. The parents have admitted to putting the children to bed ‘between 7pm and 8pm’ every evening on holiday and then leaving them whilst going out eating and drinking. It is more than possible that they have done this on many other occasions.
4. There is considerable evidence that the parents spent - and spend - relatively little time with their children. They had (and have) a nanny. Their children go to a nursery. On holiday, they were placed in the creche most of the day. After Madeleine ‘disappeared’, the parents were happy to go off globe-trotting away from the twins, in order to launch, develop and maintain their very high profile campaign.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
I suppose there could also be abuse arising from PND etc., but this would all be known, if true. Somewhere i read that madeleine was said to be “challenging”, am i right? That may be an indicator of diffs in coping.
October 7th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Quote: “…Kate constantly carries around a stuffed animal she said “was Madeleine’s favorite cuddly toy, and, you know, she took it to bed with her every night, or if she was tired or not feeling very well, she always had it as a comfort. And, I suppose, it was special to Madeleine, so it’s special to me, really, and I just feel a bit closer to her” holding it. ”
That’s from:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/05/earlyshow/main3334438.shtml?source=mostpop_story
Come on… please… any of you… please, please, please… could any of you tell me whether you would wash your child’s cuddle cat after she’s been supposilly abducted??? And, if that was with her every night, would you think that maybe, just maybe, perhaps… the abductor touched that and left some fingerprints????
Am I an idiot? Or what?
October 7th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Manon
Actually, the fund is now also being used to pay for the McCanns’ daily living expenses since Gerry still has not returned to work and he is the family’s primary breadwinner.
From a Daily Mail article dated Sept. 23 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483911&in_page_id=1811
“With hospital consultant Mr McCann, the family’s main earner, on unpaid leave, part of the Fund has been used to meet their living costs. “
October 7th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
andrew, not sure if i understand your remark. i feel something is not right with this story and with what the mccanns have told us thus far about what happened on may 3rd and what exactly they have done on their own to find madeleine since they claim pj are so inept. so if this story is true why would the mccanns who everyone claims are intelligent savvy people would hire someone who seems to not be what he claims to be? why would uk press be telling this story now?
October 7th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
thtank you jolie. lest we forget these are also the very same people who publicly commented many time how they would remain in portugal until madeleine was found.