Madeleine McCann: Ben Needham Is Missing, Operation Predator And Maddie’s Cops
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “McCanns warn: We’ll sue over claims we drugged our children”
Page 7: “Madeleine parents: We have never sedated our children” – The “slurs” are “outrageous” and “hurtful”.
The theory that they sedated all of their children is a “wild theory”. It appears in Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas, a source for “some of the more outlandish reporting”. The Express reproduces the outlandish reporting for its readers to digest and marvel at
“Grim hunt for images as child-porn ring is smashed” – Operation Predator is a clamp down on child porn in Portugal. A friend of the McCanns says: “This shows the scale of the problem in Portugal and appears to show that the Portuguese police seem to be looking in the right direction. It may provide vital leads”
But the raids were not directly connected with the Madeleine case. Operation Predator was six months in the planning
THE SUN front page: “Maddie: cop raid on pervs”
Page 7: “McCANNS’ DELIGHT AT PAEDO SWOOP” – Kate and Gerry McCann are “encouraged” that 300 Portuguese police “smashed” a 80-strong paedophile ring
“’FIND OUR KIDS TV’” – Kate and Gerry have backed a TV channel that features the 150,000 UK children that go missing each year. Pictures of missing children will be shown at GP surgeries, shopping malls and hospitals
Page 37: “MISSING BEN AGONY – We were too working class to get help like Maddie’s family” – The mother of Ben Needham, who disappeared 16 years ago on the Greek island of Kos – sees haves and have nots
“I was 19,” says Kerry Grist. “Just an ordinary girl from a council estate and people thought, ‘She will just go away in a few months, have another child and forget about it…I don’t think people thought Ben was important enough.” Or the media didn’t…
Kate McCann is a doctor. Gerry McCann is a heart specialist. Both Madeleine and Ben are blonde
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Huge porn swoop offers hope of a Maddie clue”
“Could Ben still be alive?” – Ben Needham disappeared from near his grandparents’ farm house
Says Mrs Grist, Ben’s mum: “Madeleine’s parents are middle class people with important jobs and seemed to have had a publicity machine behind them straight away”
DAILY MIRROR page 15: “WHY STAY IF SHE HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE?”
A pal of Kate McCann says: “She could not tear herself away [from Portugal]. What mother could leave the place where her daughter vanished? …If she had something to hide why would she hang around in Praia da Luz waiting for the police to come knocking on the door?”
We don’t know. Why?
DAILY STAR front page: “MADDIE POLICE ARREST 80 PAEDOS”
Madeleine McCann does not have her own police force – not yet. But the police working on one case are Portuguese, like the police in her case. It’s an “EXCLUSIVE”
Page 7: “MADDIE COPS RAID PAEDOS” – The Star sees Gerry McCann leaving his home in a car. “STRAIN” reads the caption
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 17: “Madeleine police turn spotlight back on paedophiles”
“Missing children TV hopes to jog patients’ memories” – Ben Needham is missing. Xiao Xiao is missing. Lee Thomas Wedge is missing. Leanna Petrenko is missing. Abigaile Sommerville is missing. Andrew Paul Gosden is missing
THE INDEPENDENT page 24: “Mother in plea to missing son” – Ben Needham is missing
THE TIMES page 11: “Madeleine police return to kidnap theory”
German and Dutch police are believed to have been asked to trace and interview guests staying at the Ocean Club when Madeleine went missing
THE GUARDIAN: No Madeleine news today
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October 12th, 2007 at 5:43 am
Shantilly Lace
It is well documented (and I am prepared to produce evidence ONLY if you calm down and want an adult coversation) to show that para-militaries from both sides of the conflict were very heavily financed by supporters based in the US.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:41 am
Trust me, well, OK, that’s possible I suppose, but I think you are reading an awful lot into a perfectly innocent statement. You seem to be suggesting that the McCanns might have given their children true sedatives (not just Calpol, which is not a sedative). I will grant you, this is a possibility, although we have no evidence to this effect (at least none reliable). According to stories even in the supposedly pro-McCann BRITISH PRESS, the McCanns are still the primary suspects, with the PJ theory being Madeleine died of an accidental overdose. This is an official statement from the PJ and therefore I believe that the PJ truly do believe this is what happened. (As opposed to blood on the stairs, etc, which is all just Bollocks media reports from 24 Horas).
Now, mind you, I have no clue whether the PJ are right about this. Maybe. Maybe not.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:41 am
Shantilly Lace
If you would like an adult, intelligent discussion on the whole Ireland issue I would happily take the time to discuss it with you. I have seen both sides first hand as have so many people in the UK and Ireland.
I am afraid it is so easy for those who are thousands of miles away to make flip comments without realizing the devastation that has been caused on both sides in what is actually a far more complex issue than either you realize or are communicating.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:39 am
Hey Will, you CONVENIENTLY LEFT OUT SPUDGUNS’ PART OF THIS. Where he accused the Americans of funding all the IRA bombs.
Forgot that you little manipulator, didn’t you??!! Liar, cheater and scam artist.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:38 am
1524 - Need I mention the American Indians?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:38 am
Will Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 5:35 am
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Shantilly Lace
Ireland was one country - the Brits do not belong in the NORTH. Ireland should be reunited - and the IRA, albeit they are terrorists - wanted it back. The Brits terrorized the Irish by taking it from them in the first place
Yes - so where the fuck did I say anything positive about the IRA??
I said they were terrorist you fuck face!! It’s right there in black and white.
You’re a lying cheating pig headed Brit. What’s your point WILL - Will you state it??
October 12th, 2007 at 5:37 am
although I will grant you my MIL, an old time Natural Living type of lady (really wonderful) is HORRIFIED that I use these medicines. My mom, on the other hand, is a pill popper, and thinks I don’t use them often enough.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:37 am
1513 - Krissie Says: But Calpol is NOT a sedative. That’s absurd.
What if all these doctors regularly sedated their kids in order to maintain their social lives and fobbed off the concerns of grandparents (ie. Mr Healy) with the story that it was Calpol? Mr Healy has let yet another cat out of the bag, and it ain’t Cuddle Cat.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:36 am
Trust me, I’m a doctor Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 5:34 am
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1515 - Shantilly - are you a plant from the McCanns to stop people discussing the topic in hand?
NO - but on the otherhand, You AIN’T NO M.D. that’s for damn sure…
Why do you lie? You’re an idiot, you know that? Why would you ask if I am a plant? I am a human being you dumb F@ck!
October 12th, 2007 at 5:35 am
Shantilly Lace
Ireland was one country - the Brits do not belong in the NORTH. Ireland should be reunited - and the IRA, albeit they are terrorists - wanted it back. The Brits terrorized the Irish by taking it from them in the first place.
that paragraph alone is enough
October 12th, 2007 at 5:35 am
TrustmeI’maDoctor. Fine. Your argument would totally make sense, IF Calpol was a sedative! It’s not! I have two young children and I use these drugs periodically and have taken them myself, and they are NOT sedatives! I don’t know… are you really a doctor? Doctors in the US definitely don’t hesitate to recommend these drugs for any variety of issues. Plus, from what I know, it would be nearly impossible to overdose a child on Calpol… it would have to be a case of her taking a whole bottle on her own.
So IF Gerry is telling fibs (ear tugging, etc), it has to be something stronger than CALPOL. I don’t even understand why we’re making an issue of the Calpol thing. It is my personal opinion that the overdose-on-sedatives theory has some validity and COULD be true, but if we’re going to argue over Calpol being something one shoudl not give to toddlers just to help them sleep, you lose me. To wit: My 3-year-old (who, as I’ve said, is smarter than Stevo) skinned his knee today. He was tired, and crabby, and whiney, and kept insisting his owie was REALLY BAD and refusing to get his jammies on, so at one point I offered him Ibuprofen … which he refused on general principle (anything I suggest at moments like those is poison). But it’s something I don’t hesitate to give a kid who generally is feeling poorly, even if it’s not due to illness.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:35 am
So DeeDeeDee - before you go sucking up to Spudgun, you should really get your facts straight. He’s antagonistic and anti-american. If you’ve not figured that out yet, you’re dreamin’.
Krissie is right to give it to him - she’s using her brain. Not going along w/ all the other dumb posters who patronized the dit wit. Let me show you other examples of how he is not only wrong, but falsely accuses me and Krissie and Anna from Ireland of being the same person. Which even moronic Ramon put him in his place for…
Will - is just an ahole. He knew I did not say that the IRA was great. I know Terrorism when I see it - and I know the IRA were terrorists. I also know that the Brits took Ireland from the Irish - which is why it’s a divided country today and really belongs to the Irish. But NEVER did I say that I supported the IRA. In fact, I’d never bring them up in the discussion about Ireland. Spudgun did….WHY?? Cause he was so jealous when I said to Anna that Ireland’s a beautiful country. He then threw a wrench into the whole conversataion and brought up the IRA. Accusing Americans of funding them - which many have I have heard. That was all I said.
So DeeDeeDee - don’t you dare put words in my mouth - and Will don’t you EVER comment and accuse me of anything when I am not here to defend myself you miserable lying fool. Sorry buddy, but you got caught in the act of a huge LIE! Typical British Bloke.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:34 am
1515 - Shantilly - are you a plant from the McCanns to stop people discussing the topic in hand?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:31 am
Who knows if they actually used Calpol? Perhaps Mr Healy had seen his grandchildren being given sedatives before and was told by Gerry and Kate “it’s only Calpol”, hence his slip of the tongue to the press?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:31 am
DeeDeeDee
Hi yes still up.
My 9 year old woke me up to say he couldn’t sleep. Need less to say - he is now asleep and I can’t lolol
Buggered my Friday up good and proper lol
October 12th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Shantilly, Wow, I’m sort of sorry I missed all that!!
I have to take issue with Stevo being smart, however. In fact, it was idiotic posts from Stevo that first brought me to this forum… I was calmly perusing the Internet in search of Madeleine info, found this forum, was mildly amused, and read a few posts from Stevo that made my blood boil with their flippancy. So I joined.
But I do find Spudgun really offensive. He’s one of those “pot calling the kettle black” folks — I’ve never ever picked a fight with him and suddenly he attacks me and accuses me of all kinds of things, but primarily he accuses me of picking fights. I think he really does believe I am one of those other characters who he used to fight with and I really am not, so, what can I say.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:28 am
1506 - My take is this: Gerry denies using Calpol, or any sedative (Calpol is specifaically mentioned by the interviewer):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5jtmkXXv58
Kate’s father says, “Kate may have used Calpol (to help her (Madeliene) sleep)”.
We have all speculated on what could have happened to a sedated child - abduction, disorientation, accidental death, coma…
My point is that, once again, Team McCann are shooting themselves in the foot. It is pointless of them to threaten to sue their critics. Kate’s own father suggests that it was acceptable in the McCann family to administer drugs to children for a purpose for which those drugs were not recommended.
Krissie - if Maddy had a toothache, why have we not heard this before? Even if they do come up with such a new twist, they are still damned because then they would have to admit that their earlier denial about sedatives was a lie! If they did not use sedatives improperly, where is the problem with admitting it - unless they WERE used improperly…
October 12th, 2007 at 5:28 am
For the record, THIS is what I said……Spudgun and Will are liars!! And the folks on this forum that like Spudgun are stupidly buying into his BS. Will is just a big loser and a liar. Here’s what I said. Lifted 100% from my post. NOTE that it was SPUDGUN who accused the AMERICANS of supporting the IRA. I did not deny it but I also said they are Terrorists. See below.
Shantilly Lace Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 2:32 am
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Spudman says: That’s why over half of the explosives that took so many lives in the UK were bought with American Dollars for use by the IRA. Great relationship that is.
I won’t argue with you there. Irish American patriotism is HUGE in the U.S. But on the otherhand, you stole their country from them in the first place.
Ireland was one country - the Brits do not belong in the NORTH. Ireland should be reunited - and the IRA, albeit they are terrorists - wanted it back. The Brits terrorized the Irish by taking it from them in the first place.
Please, let’s not get into that discussion here…..I will side with Irish on that one too.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:27 am
And also there is a rumor that Maddie was difficult or even autistic. Austic children have walked out of their homes art night on more than one occasion. I know a woman who had a lock on the outside of her son’s door to keep him locked in his bedroomat night… drugging may seem like an alternative.
Does anyone know where the parents were on 5/2 and what time they returned and where the children were?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:25 am
Oh my goodness. Calpol is, in fact, simply acetaminophen (Tylenol, here in the US). That’s nuts. That doesn’t help kids sleep unless they have a PAIN that is keeping them awake.
I’maDr, well, it’s something I have avoided, with two young kids– I don’t give them either Tylenol or Ibuprofen (Calpol apparently comes in an ibuprofen form, too) just to sleep, because neither one of these drugs cause drowsiness. But, at times, if they appear to be feeling poorly, too fitful to sleep, that state that toddlers get of “something bothering them,” then yes, at times I’ve given my kids these painkillers without having any sort of diagnosis. And, under those circumstances, it sometimes does help them sleep.
But Calpol is NOT a sedative. That’s absurd.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Will Says:
October 12th, 2007 at 4:47 am
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Krissie
Saying Shantilly was amusing is only going to incite things further.
Saying to the majority of Brits that the IRA were justified in their terror campaign is rather like saying to the majority of Americans that the 7/11 bombings were justified. It is not likely to endear yourselves to them.
Krissie - Will is an F’ing Liar!! You need to keep a close watch on these Brits - I said NOTHING OF THE KIND about the IRA. I will replay the posts in their entirety - so you and Will the liar - can see that I said they were terrorists.
And for the record, it was Spudgun who brought up the IRA and accused Americans of funding the IRA. Will knows this and he’s an F’ing liar. He’s worse than Stevo if you ask me. He’s nasty - and stupid. At least Stevo is SMART. Will is NOT.
Will needs to learn how to read properly or not post at all. He falsely accuses Americans of things - I believe he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing here too.
Hold on.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:21 am
1509 - could you justify using it to get her to sleep?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:20 am
If time of death were hours before the parents came home and parents were miles away n town…
They all left their children drugged in one apt on 5/2. Accident happened Maddie died. Parents come home in the wee hours of the morning. Have 20 hours to hide the body and concoct the coverup.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:19 am
So wait, Cal Pol is a pain reliever? Such as ibuprofen or acetamenaphin (??spelling is wrong there)? If so, a child doesn’t have to be SICK, she could merely have a toothache or a sunburn and you could justify calpol.
I’d better go google cal pol.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:16 am
but again (and again and again), an accident such as falling would NOT necessitate a coverup. the only scenario we’ve come up with, based on the s0-called “evidence,” that makes sense is the overdose theory (I sure hate to contradict Stig, but I think there are a lot of sedatives out there, and doctors would have access to them, and doctors are so frequently drug-happy, it sort of does make sense to me, even th ough I don’t believe that is what happened)
October 12th, 2007 at 5:15 am
http://www.calpol.co.uk/en/article.asp?id=97
“When something hurts…
Pain is the body’s way of telling us that something, somewhere needs some attention. It can be due to illness, injury or just simply growing up.
The main causes of pain include:
Aches and pains associated with a common cold or flu
Throat and ear infections
Illnesses such as measles, mumps, whooping cough
Headache
Bumps and scrapes
In babies, pain can be caused by colic, nappy rash and teething. If your child is very young, they won’t be able to tell you what the matter is which can be frustrating for both of you. Their symptoms should give you a good indication of what’s wrong but if you’re unsure, don’t be afraid to contact your GP or health visitor.”
I see no mention of using this product to simply get the kids to sleep, as suggested by Kate McCann’s own father in the above posting: “Kate’s father Brian Healy says the treatment of Kate has been “disgusting” and the accusations are hurtful. Mr Healy said: “I know Kate and Gerry would not harm Madeleine at all. “Kate may have used Calpol (to help her sleep), but it’s just outrageous to think of anything else.”
Mr Healy, it is “outrageous” to think that a doctor gave his/her child a drug “to help her (Madeline) sleep”. So many own-goals from Team McCann. The father of one of the two suspects in the case suggests that it may have been common practice for said suspect to deliberately drug her own child, if not children! To use medication on someone who is not actually ill is to drug them. If the drug was used because the child was ill, then why was the child left unattended by an adult? Is this the kind of behaviour we should expect from doctors?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:11 am
Trust me I’m a Dr…
So it could be likely that M was sedated had an adverse reaction and got up and fell?
What is your take?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:07 am
CSI? Nope… my husband was away so I was entirely consumed by childcare tonight (not to mention milking goats). Why?
October 12th, 2007 at 5:06 am
What IS Calpol? It seems the British equivalent of Benadryl but I’m not sure.
I also wish Stig was around so we could discuss the use of phenargen (or whatever it is– Dramamine I believe). That stuff is dangerous in kids, it really is.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:05 am
Sux doesn’t it? Aussies aren’t posting yet. It’s midnight here and I have to actually make an appearance at the office tomorrow. Heavy Sigh.
Did you see CSI tonight?