Madeleine McCann: When Waiters Attack, Kate McCann Childcare Inc. And Feudal Powers
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE – ‘McCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME’. Tapas bar waiter’s astonishing attack”
Jose Batista served the McCanns and party on that night Madeleine disappeared. “I did not think she had been taken by an abductor,” says he. “I told them [the police] it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close”
Mr Batista is a “crucial eyewitness”
Page 4: “Nanny would have cost just £10” – Batista is standing with his “partner” Maria Fernandes, who also works at the Ocean Club complex. She does not speak. She smiles for the camera. Why is she there? They are holding hands. He says the Tapas 9 did check on their children regularly: “I know that because I often took food to the table and found one of them not there. I would take it back to the table to heat it up. But it was always the men who went to check never the women.” Apart from the time Kate McCann went to check. So not always the men. Jose thought that strange. Why?
Says he: “They left heir children alone. If I had been in that position I certainly wouldn’t have done that.” Maria smiles
“Kate may be a child carer after ruling out GP work” – But would she make living at it?
THE SUN front page: “MADDIE EXCLUSIVE: WHAT WAITERS SAW. Kate left kids alone 3 hours a night”
It’s Jose Baptista, not to be confused with the Express’s Jose Batista, even if this waiter does look very similar and is seen holding hands with his “wife”, also called Maria
Pages 4 and 5: “The men normally checked on kids..Kate only went that one night”
Kate and Gerry are “doctors”. Says Jose: “They left their children alone for up to three hours every night.” Apart from when they all went out as family, with the “cranky” children
Maria speaks: “I definitely remember Madeleine. She was like a little angel, very quiet and good as gold. Just a lovely little blonde girl.” Blonde, you say?
“CAREER PLANS STILL ON HOLD”
DAILY STAR page 7: “holiday waiter describes horror night girl vanished – MADDIE: ‘ONLY PARENTS OR PALS COULD HAVE DONE IT’” – Jose Batista says…
“Kate wants job in child care”
DAILY MAIL front page: “I want to work in child care says Maddie’s mother”
Page 7: “Kate McCann ‘wants a job in child welfare’” – So it is “claimed”. So she ahs “told friends”
“FRIENDS ‘SHARED EIGHT BOTTLES OF WINE A NIGHT’” – Says Jose Baptista. Yes, eight bottles between nine Britons. On holiday. In the sun. Indeed, is that all?
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 9: “Madeleine’s mother ‘to as GP for a child welfare job’”
“One possibility is that she will set up a charity to raise awareness of the extent of child abductions across Europe, and help parents and children who suffer such an ordeal”
Fernando Jose Pinto Montiero, Portugal’s attorney general, says the country’s Ministerio Publico, likened to the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service, is a “feudal power”
THE INDEPENDENT, THE GUARDIAN, THE TIMES and DAILY MIRROR: No Madeleine news today
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October 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
941 Kris Says:
936. Julie. On the contrary. There is neglect like what the McCanns did, which was an incredibly stupid act. Edit….
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Could we stop apologising for the failings of the McCann’s Baby Listening Service ™ - They haven’t bothered apologising.
If, in the fullness of time it transpires that Madeleine was indeed abducted, and the McCann’s are in no way complicit in her disappearance, I’d happily settle for them admitting that leaving the children unattended was “an incredibly stupid act”. In those circumstances there would be little benefit to society in further punishing the McCann’s.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
1087
Garth: “The newspaper Correio da Manha says that the McCanns had left their children alone before during their holiday in the Algarve - a routine that, while normal at Praia da Luz, may have made it easy for her kidnapper to plan the abduction.”
Garth, do we really know if it was normal? The resort seems to claim that because of their different services, it isn’t that normal, but I suppose they would say that. I thought it was the timing and repeated routine that would have made it easier for an abductor, if there was one.
Also, Stig, thanks for the little translation from that newspaper.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Brianthesnail1066says:
“People like you make me sick. I suspect you’re some sort of bloody irritating do gooder who is always going on about criminals rights you sad creature. You really haven’t got a clue.”
Brian, I happen to agree with Kriss and I am nothing like you describe. Just because you don’t agree with something a blogger says ,you don’t have to hurl unsubstantiated abuse. To be honest it is that kind of thing ,which puts people off posting and forces them to go elsewhere. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and if you don’t agree say why ,but in a polite and informed fashion.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
1093.
Take the children in the bathroom while you shower.
Okay, not that this is wrong, but it just seems extreme. I just let my kids watch the TV while I showered and didn’t think anything bad would happen in the process.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:10 pm
I’ve unearthed some bloggers views on the interviews with the Healy’s and priest, if of interest. Very interested that K and G were not religious before Madeleine’s disappearance.
Tuesday 23rd October 2007 Daily Express Blog Re: Interview with Healys and priest
23.10.07, 1:40am
Good morning to you both. I will just outline some interesting points made last night on documentary Confidential SA . The interview was with kates parents. Kates mother said that no one in the family is a devout catholic and they have never practiced their religion. Gerry phoned first that night to say something dreadful had happened madeleine had been taken from her bed. One hour later Kate phoned saying she’s gone mum , she’s gone and asking for the mobile phone number for the priest who married her and baptized madeleine. She said I told her I did not have it and would phone a friend for the number. The same night Kate went to the priest Pacheco (dont know if I have spelt his name correctly) Interview with priest he was very agitated and this was remarked upon. He said they are lost souls several times I also told them I forgive their sins. He appeared very nervous about the most simplist of questions.(their comment, not mine) Kates mother also said kate has visions of madeleine walking down the stairs . They remarked on visions and not visualise. Also she said Kate was always calm and never lost her patience, that she had never seen her angry. When asked if madeleine is still alive and watching this would you like to say something the words ” we love you and will never stop looking” It was noted when she said this she looked at the floor and not into the camera. Jose Cabrera Criminologist feels that Kates mother knows more than she is saying .,althought he felt even she does not know the whole truth of what happened that night and kates father even less due to his ill health. The debate continued as to why would Kate phone her mother to speak to the priest?:it was commented upon there were a lot of phone calls but not much searching. Profiler of body language said when I asked simple question kates mother seemed relaxed the moment I started to delve more into what happened that night , the body language changed completely she started holding her husbands hand and digging into his thumb.He also became restless it was commented upon the same as gerry when questioned. Their opinion was that the whole interview was stage managed by MC to gain public sympathy for Kate . They also noticed that when the mother spoke of madeleine it was always in the past tense.
• Posted by: IRONSIDE
23.10.07, 3:53am
‘How extraordinary…. Susan Healy is being referred to be every bit as controlling as Gerry McCann… she controls the interview, her husband´s scarce words and emotion, the words, everything…The non-verbal communication expert says Susan is in total control of the situation, exactly as Gerry - she controls her husband touching him at certain moments… her words are correct but her gestures are not. She keeps cleaning underneath her nails as if to clean some imaginary dirt, she touches her ear in the wrong places…’ Brian Healy keeps scratching an imaginary itch all the time, which is a sign he really doesn´t believe Madeleine is going to turn up…
One of the most tense parts of the interview is when they are asked when they saw Madeleine for the last time. Susan Healy is rubbing her husband´s finger so hard you would think it hurts…. but they cannot give an answer….
The key question, do you think your daughter is involved in Madeleine´s disappearance… the Healys are making non-verbal gestures that make it clear that the parents know there is something that isn´t right in this whole business, that they might not know exactly what happened, but that they do know they have not been told the truth. This part of the interview has not been shown yet, will be shortly, but the analyst is speaking about it.
The psychologist in the panel is saying it is plain from the interview the Healys´relationship with Kate and Gerry, especially Gerry, is not good…
The panel was saying the PJ is going to be interviewing Tapas 7 members in the UK in the next few days and that we will know of a new suspect (arguido?) by Wednesday…
23.10.07, 3:49am
Yes, the grandparents did speak of Madeleine in the past tense… “she was”…
The person who transcribed it for the Mirror forum wrote@
..’Susan Healy does not seem sincere…. she keeps squeezing her husband´s finger, just one finger, especially hard when she is asked when was the last time she spoke to Madeleine. She is saying Madeleine made her a gift before the trip to Portugal but couldn´t give it to her….’
• Posted by: SueB •
You are right “almas perdidas” has a serious overtone for Catholics…dark.´
• Posted by: alsabella •
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pm
I don’t think the McCanns went to a quiz night at all. I think it was a brainiac’s version of musical chairs.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pm
1080 Because , as I said, in their mentality, during the daytime when kids are active, they need constant supervision, whereas at night when they are sleeping, they do not need to be under constant surveillance. Don’t get me wrong– I do NOT condone what they did. It was obviously very WRONG THINKING, but I can see at least why they thought this was OK. They were WRONG about it, but I know whey they thought it.
And before people go accusing me of neglecting my own kids, when I go out to pick apples, I typically make them come with me, and I’ve been known to shut them in the bathroom with me when I shower. I don’t leave them even for that long. But I can still see where the McCanns were coming from — from a place of pretty cloudy (probably alcoholic) judgment. But that still puts it in the camp of poor judgment, not abusive neglect. In my book.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 pm
They are guilty of leaving their children unattended but they are not guilty of murder or whatever other abuse stories this blog has been battering about.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 pm
1084
The Real Stig
Link doesn’t work…
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 pm
1081
Batman: “Does anyone know if the men were the only ones to go and check the kids on the previous nights too?”
That is what the waiter claimed, but that leaves the question of why Jane was up as well (was it just because her child was sick that night? I don’t know..)
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 pm
1073 Kris
And I have no friends or family that believe the McCanns actions were in any way sensible. None of my circle of friends or family would have done what they did. In fact, if I had been in that Tapas Bar and I had seen the family with kids during the daytime I would have asked them where their kids were. If any of them said they had left them in a room alone I would have had to say something adverse to them about that. Like the waiter in the Tapas Bar said - he didn’t even know they had kids.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I believe that the McCann’s are guilty based upon “pure and simple??” neglect, numerous unanswered questions as well as numerous inconsistincies in stories which should have been very clear-cut had their daughter been abducted!
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pm
The newspaper Correio da Manha says that the McCanns had left their children alone before during their holiday in the Algarve - a routine that, while normal at Praia da Luz, may have made it easy for her kidnapper to plan the abduction.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pm
1073
Kris: “Because they MISTAKENLY believed it to be like sitting on their patio. They FELT safe. It’s been said that many British parents did this exact thing, because they had a false sense of security, because they were running under the notion it was like being in the garden.”
I’m sure you’re referencing other people at the other resorts, but in regards to this resort, wasn’t it a special set-up for the McCanns at this resort? (eating at the Tapas bar in their group, instead of going to the restaurant?) I thought that is what the waiter was implying, maybe not.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
And I agree, they felt the resort was safe and they wanted a table closer to where their children were sleeping so they could make frequent and easy checks - what? every 20 minutes….and a sick person seized the opportunity to do evil.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
1053 Garth
This might cheer you up!
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Tabloid Alert!! http://www.24horasnewspaper.co…..hp?id=7944 google translation
Traces of Maddie in the home of Robert Murat
The Portuguese authorities are convinced that traces collected hair - and body fluids - which proved the presence of Madeleine McCann in the home of Robert Murat, the Portuguese established British defendant in the process of disappearance of the girl, on 3 May, the Beach Light, in Lagos, Algarve.
“During the searches carried out in the house of the suspect were detected several indications that point to that Maddie has been in that house. This faith in the expertise to do made, either in the Laboratory of Forensic Science either in the National Institute of Legal Medicine, “revealed the 24 high court responsible. These steps, says the same source, were already made after the McCann had rented a Renault Scenic, which also detected the girl fluids.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
1046 - Andrew Says: Compassion does figure in sentencing
Tell that to the family of the 91 year old blinded by a mentally ill person who should never have been on the street, yet is still on the street having receive a suspended sentence.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
garthy
i may well have personal issues matey, but you matey mips have very clouded judgement and quite frankly i think perhaps you need some therapy to help sort your head out..Either that or your just plain stupid…..Same goes for you too pinky
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Does anyone know if the men were the only ones to go and check the kids on the previous nights too?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 pm
1073 Kris
But that comment about it being safe is bull. We know it is because why did they chose to have babysitting facilities in the day? It’s like “we know it’s important to put them in a creche in the daytime” but not at night? What’s that about? How can you have that dual standard?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 pm
To all those here that believe the McCanns are guilty based upon trumped up newspaper information.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Brian, get angry much? Actually, yes, I do think criminals have rights. They have the right to be innocent until proven guilty, for instance. I think they have a right to appeal their conviction. I think they have a right to be free of physical abuse while in the hands of law enforcement. Would you disagree with any of these things?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:03 pm
1066
brianthesnail
Glad to see you got the Norman Invasion post.
Well said. It worries me that the McCann supporters share the same neglect mentality.
I mean, it’s possible to support the McCanns by saying I hope you get your daughter back but their supporters are taken in lock-stock-and-barrel. McCann supporters think the sun shines out their backside. That’s what worries me when I think of the mentality of people like that.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 pm
You want Justice for Madeleine but also involved in this justice - is justice for her parents to be at least convicted based upon good and solid evidence and not on trumped up newspapers charges that are used to incite emotions and the next day or virtually the next day are found to be groundless……..
How can you justify this ill-logical approach? You do it because it suits your disposition - a very harsh disposition I might add!
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 pm
1067
Me neither - just thought I’d say it.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 pm
ThePinkPanther:
it is so obvious that a lot of the crap you come out with is diversionary and purely meant to distract from rational investigation. Is this because you are struggling with finding ‘justifications’ for you ‘un-questioning belief’. It has become very boring and sometimes most distasteful!
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pm
1061 Because they MISTAKENLY believed it to be like sitting on their patio. They FELT safe. It’s been said that many British parents did this exact thing, because they had a false sense of security, because they were running under the notion it was like being in the garden. So they were wrong. Obviously. They were not thinking very clearly. Your description of what they did is more accurate than what they believed they were doing. But that still, in my book, falls into the category of “serious judgment error” rather than “abusive neglect.”
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pm
1066 brianthesnail … really have to give you the thumbs up on that one!
There’s a frikkin’ little girl involved here who could not protect herself! That was her parent’s job …….. something which they were sorely lacking at!
AND NO! I HAVE NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER FOR THE MCCANNS! (And yes, I am shouting here!)
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pm
1068
ThePinkPanther
How are people supposed to know who you’re addressing without posting numbers and/or names?
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pm
1062
Eh Willibum………its Garthy to you.