Madeleine McCann: When Waiters Attack, Kate McCann Childcare Inc. And Feudal Powers
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE – ‘McCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME’. Tapas bar waiter’s astonishing attack”
Jose Batista served the McCanns and party on that night Madeleine disappeared. “I did not think she had been taken by an abductor,” says he. “I told them [the police] it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close”
Mr Batista is a “crucial eyewitness”
Page 4: “Nanny would have cost just £10” – Batista is standing with his “partner” Maria Fernandes, who also works at the Ocean Club complex. She does not speak. She smiles for the camera. Why is she there? They are holding hands. He says the Tapas 9 did check on their children regularly: “I know that because I often took food to the table and found one of them not there. I would take it back to the table to heat it up. But it was always the men who went to check never the women.” Apart from the time Kate McCann went to check. So not always the men. Jose thought that strange. Why?
Says he: “They left heir children alone. If I had been in that position I certainly wouldn’t have done that.” Maria smiles
“Kate may be a child carer after ruling out GP work” – But would she make living at it?
THE SUN front page: “MADDIE EXCLUSIVE: WHAT WAITERS SAW. Kate left kids alone 3 hours a night”
It’s Jose Baptista, not to be confused with the Express’s Jose Batista, even if this waiter does look very similar and is seen holding hands with his “wife”, also called Maria
Pages 4 and 5: “The men normally checked on kids..Kate only went that one night”
Kate and Gerry are “doctors”. Says Jose: “They left their children alone for up to three hours every night.” Apart from when they all went out as family, with the “cranky” children
Maria speaks: “I definitely remember Madeleine. She was like a little angel, very quiet and good as gold. Just a lovely little blonde girl.” Blonde, you say?
“CAREER PLANS STILL ON HOLD”
DAILY STAR page 7: “holiday waiter describes horror night girl vanished – MADDIE: ‘ONLY PARENTS OR PALS COULD HAVE DONE IT’” – Jose Batista says…
“Kate wants job in child care”
DAILY MAIL front page: “I want to work in child care says Maddie’s mother”
Page 7: “Kate McCann ‘wants a job in child welfare’” – So it is “claimed”. So she ahs “told friends”
“FRIENDS ‘SHARED EIGHT BOTTLES OF WINE A NIGHT’” – Says Jose Baptista. Yes, eight bottles between nine Britons. On holiday. In the sun. Indeed, is that all?
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 9: “Madeleine’s mother ‘to as GP for a child welfare job’”
“One possibility is that she will set up a charity to raise awareness of the extent of child abductions across Europe, and help parents and children who suffer such an ordeal”
Fernando Jose Pinto Montiero, Portugal’s attorney general, says the country’s Ministerio Publico, likened to the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service, is a “feudal power”
THE INDEPENDENT, THE GUARDIAN, THE TIMES and DAILY MIRROR: No Madeleine news today
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October 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pm
423 mar
Madeleine was a week off 4 so I’d say you can accept an age of 4 and height of 90cm. If anything, parents will state the truth on height or exaggerate it.
I used to belong to a Turner’s Syndrome association. We’d meet other parents of kids with Turner’s and you’d quickly recognise a Turner’s child due to features. Nearly everyone can recognise Down’s Syndrome for instance. Several genetic syndromes produce facial features that can be recognised. To answer your question - no, I have never seen an eye coloboma before. I was recently told of a 16 year old in-law relation who has one but I’ve never met this person and before seeing Madeleine’s eye condition I had never heard of it.
I will have to find the Dutch Investigators/Madeleine autism link again…
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Joly 542
“I have no idea how big the wine bottles in Portugal”
Usualy 750 ml. Usualy between 11 and 13%.
One bottle is more than enough to get drunk a normal, used to drink, healthy man.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm
286 brandon flours
Thanks for posting the link to the video. I almost stopped watching it when the interview began, because I had seen the interview before, but am so glad I continued to get to the point shortly after the intro that showed all the inaccuracies of Gerry’s statements about the distance from the restaurant to the apartment, etc.–very good and useful video.
Here’s the link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8QJL9nlaw&NR=1
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm
I am still thinking about the blanket that Madeleine was wrapped in when she was first taken.or was she only in her P.Js somebody would have noticed that there were blankets missing What colour was it? Was the blanket from the complex? I remembered reading about Sofia Murat
being taken away in a hurry with a blanket covering her Was there someone else that was whisked away with her I cant find the article, it must be at the beginning when Ifirst starting reading about this tragedy .
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm
540 Portia, I find it hard to believe that Murat would cover up something so serious. Unless of course he was actually a very close friend with GM, but I suspect if they were that close it would be known by now. I, also, struggle to find that something professional would be enough to compel Murat either.
That members of the Tapas 7 tried to implicate Murat, would then mean, according to your theory, that a) they could be telling the truth (whether they actually saw Murat or just something insignificant is another matter), and b) it is unlikely that they know what really happened, as Murat would most likely not go down alone.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm
I can accept that they are involved at some level with Madeleine’s disappearance, possibly even her death, but the ‘third way’ would mean that they are pure evil. It is difficult to contemplate.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Why u all haters??
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
1424
soothsayer Says:
October 19th, 2007 at 6:43 am
no matter what trash and inventive reporting you read in the papers,about lack of evidence or such nonsense,you can rest assured that the guilty will not escape justice. Get it on get it on get it on.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
368 Nicholas
Maybe,it could be true!
Anonymousthe1st (and Dee)
You shouldn’t be so manipulative telling Dee for answering to my message.For your info,am not a creationist,am a psychologist and animal welfare worker who just feels concerned for the unprecedented hatred for two parents who,although they may have made a mistake by leaving their children alone,to me seem to be suffering so much. I do feel really bad for Madeleine, but I do not think leaving children sleeping for 30mins at a time for a total of two hours at 2 minutes walking distance is so neglecting.I think blames are going in the wrong direction.Anyway,thank you Dee for letting me know your poit of view,I respect it. I just feel sorry for the family.Bye now.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pm
536 3rdWay
OK got it.
Yes it fits and I get the motivation piece.
Question assuming the remains in the Scenic are M’s, how do you explain that?
- The guilty one told them where she was buried and they re-hid her more permanently?
- The guilty one borrowed the car and did it themselves?
God I hope you’re wrong …
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm
544 Rosemary
Then… who is the third child who is in the pram (as the siblings are, the first in the pram, and the other walking. a Third child is in the pram
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pm
511 - Will - You bring a whole new meaning to the Channel Tunnel with a shout like that.
IMO of course - LOL
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pm
There must be a few very very scared people out there.
The darkness meets the light.
The inner meets the outer.
The forces protecting the players involved in this are the
very same players who stage illegal wars, mass destruction,
crusader mentalities, who court lunatics like Bush who are
awaiting the rapture with delight.
These players are the very beings that have put a CCTV camera on every block and yet Rys’s murder is not solved, but Joe the banker has being photographed 114 times a day.
These are the players that ban paper planes from being made at school because they might fly into someone’s eye and blind them. By all means let us keep our children safe.
And so they became our nannies and we became their powerless charges.
We can see the lies they sprout but are powerless to do anything about them.
Wars continue, hate continues, domination continues.
The little children are put at school for long hours every day and then return home to TV, the days Ritalin wearing off.
Out of touch with their bodies and souls they are numbed to the world.
And in this state the violation continues.
Sexuality has become so brazenly commercial that absolutely anything goes, the amount of child abductions accounts for this.
Entire governments are behind this racket.
And along comes Madeleine .
Her face sculpted by a master. So open, mischievous, optimistic.
And then on the holiday there are no new photographs of this beautiful child - why.
Had the expression on her face changed?
And this time we can do something.
We can demand to know how far up the chain of command this stretches.
This is no longer a feudal world where the king can protect his secrets.
We demand to know.
We will know.
This I know.
(Sorry about that all the reading and silence obviously had accumulated.).
Madeleine is the latter day angel.
She has come to free us from the dungeon that we find ourselves in.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm
500 Anonymousthe1st
Exactily what I was thinking about Third Way theory!
anyway
492 Thirdway,
I feel you’re not very far from what happened…
though
508 Thirdway,
The Anonymous the 1st objection stands. It will lead to the same conclusion: “… they at the very least accessories to murder…. i.e. involved/guilty. ”
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm
436 Brian Kennedy
(Someone else may have answered this already. Sorry if so. I haven’t caught up on all messages.)
There definitely two men called Brian Kennedy. One is K’s uncle, the retired head teacher who often spoke for the family in the early days. He is catholic.
The other is the Jehovah witness who is backing them financially by paying Mitchell’s salary.
Looks like we have a Watchtower/Vatican cover-up conspiracy here.
Or a coincidence.
Oddy enough, K’s father is also called Brian.
Maybe we have a snail conspiracy?
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm
No Stone Unturned sounds like an excellent holiday read to me - is there a Portuguese translation? - I may donate of few copies to the PJ, many of whom, it appears, could, with advantage, read it - I hear that it is quite easy going for the beginner.
Particularly the check lists - 1 secure the crime scene ASAP etc,
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm
537, Pilimary,
You need to remove the comma from your link.
That photo was taken on 9th May.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
499
dee Says:
“I was always wondering, if there were these allegedly 40 questions to ask, and if the parents were as innocent as they insist they were with -what was that? parenting inside what boundaries? come on people, help me out - why were there questions they would not answer? As I said, welcome to our cosy club here.”
It was said that KMC was asked for 11 hours as witness. As witness she has no right to refuse answers. One should think that within 11 hours every detail of the incident itself must have been asked and answered.
Next day, additional questions had been asked, the nature of which made it necessary to make her an arguido - so that she has the right to refuse the answer.
I understand that those questions include some of more personal nature, such as questions about her medical background, or about the personal relationship to her partner as well as to other members of the party.
I is clear for me that if I were accused of being involved in a crime in a foreign country, after having told everything that I could tell to the case as a witness, I would not answer any of the questions I am asked as an arguido without having discussed the (possibly hidden) sense of every single question with my lawyers. So I would note the questions they ask me, but not answer them immediately. This especially if I were innocent.
This is what KMC was said to have done, and it is entirely reasonable.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Maria, Maria, Maria
Usually I bite my tongue and refrain from commenting on your posts, but today I feel like sharing my opinion with you about them.
OMG! If you are not one of the McCanns, a friend or family member, or a paid PR persuader, you should be!
You continually beat the same points over and over–innocent until proven guilty. (No kidding!) We shouldn’t be saying anything negative about the dear McCanns, because after all, we don’t know anything for sure. We can’t rely on the media for its accuracy (and we really can’t) but yet you cherry pick information printed in the very same media and use it to defend the McCanns, while at the same time others here are using it to argue their probable guilt.
Post 171 is a prime example of this. You specifically mention that the waiter ‘rubbished’ the idea that 14 bottles of wine were drunk by the Tapas 9 group, while neglecting to acknowledge that he did say they drank 8-10 bottles, considerably more than the group says they did. I think that’s a LOT of wine–about 1 bottle per person in only about an hour’s (up to 1-1/2 hours’) time. I have no idea how big the wine bottles in Portugal, but here in the US, that would get most people very much under the influence and is not a ‘moderate’ amount of wine, imo.** According to this page http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/ a small glass (125ml) of ordinary strength wine (12% alcohol by volume) has 1-1/2 units of alcohol and, to avoid health problems, a person should not consume more than 3 units per day, with a total of 14 units per week. An average wine bottle contains 750 ml, which would equal more than 7-1/2 units of alcohol, all consumed in 60-90 minutes. Wouldn’t that make most people inebriated?
Why if it bothers you to read people speculating about the McCanns involvement in their daughter’s disappearance do you deign to regularly visit the site (unless you are, of course, a paid employee, etc., of Team McCann) and spend considerable amounts of time reading these posts and composing your own. Do you feel a requirement to speak out as a moral authority here on Anorak? Are you our self-appointed referee?
Although I often just skim your posts now, as they often make me gag, some times I pause and give it a full read, just to see if you are ‘coming to your senses,’ but no, you keep repeating the same old party line and admonishing those who don’t agree with it, in an oh, such polite tone, to remember, ‘they’re innocent until we know all the facts.’ To me, your posts are not only repetitive but, worse still, intellectually dishonest and disingenous.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pm
511 Will, that is hilarious. That is such an amazing parody. The only thing I found that was less than authentic might have been the correct spelling and grammar. But excellent stuff, nonetheless!
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Had to drop out for awhile but the sedation and fall theory are backed up by:
1. The McCann’s own statements to the resort management, that they needed to have a special table set up for them in the tapas bar which was closer to their apartment. They based this need on their report that their children were not getting enough sleep. So the children not getting enough sleep was a concern expressed by the parents to the management of the resort.
2. Sedation would also help with this lack of sleep. Since the police have evidence of all three children being sedated, sedation based on lack of sleep is confirmed.
3. Many people have adverse reactions to sedation. A serious reaction, according to the British Medical Journal, would cause the victim to vomit blood. Blood traces were found on the wall, next to a large area on the wall that had been scoured. All it takes is a little bleach to destroy DNA. They missed a few spots, the dog found it in August.
4. According to the BMJ, fatal head injuries in children ages 1-5 are frequently caused by falls, the report sited falls from balconies, falls from walls, and falls down stairs as leading causes. The McCann apartment had a balcony, a wall, steep and narrow concrete steps. It also had a child gate at the top. So if Maddie became ill and needed to get help, all she could do is call from the balcony. Since the view was partially obscured, the little girl would have had to get up on the balcony to wave her parents down. A fall would have been likely. The BMJ report stated that most falls occur when the child is unsupervised. The cadaver dog showed a strong reaction on the concrete steps.
5. The police have stated that they think GM found Maddie on the steps. They think he called Murat and Murat helped him cover it up. The police think the cover-up was done for professional reasons.
6. GM called home to report “a disaster” had occurred. There is a finality in his choice of words.
This theory is perfectly plausible. It is backed up by British statistics and police evidence. The strongest evidence is presented by the parents who have made it clear that they have extreme difficulty admitting mistakes.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pm
534
I bet the McKillers got a lot of ideas from that book. Clues might be in it.
Anyone read it?
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pm
466, Ian,
Yes, an interesting link. Have you seen it confirmed?
Early in the investigation the dogs followed M’s scent to near the gate at Murat’s house but
I’ve never seen another report which said any forensic evidence was found
inside. The dogs also followed her scent in the opposite direction, to Baptista supermarket car park.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Just of curiosity, have a look at this, http://www.getrealweekly.com/Images/get%20real_Ed%2019.pdf, and you will see how the kinds pram has four wheels (in te picture the Mccanns are with the trhee thids, so it was taken before Maddie dissapearance.
As soon as Madeleine dissapeared, they always were pushing a tree wheel pram (two rear wheels and another central wheel at front). I have realized this because somebody posted the difference time ago in a Spanish forum. I don´t have at this very moment any picture of the three-wheels pram, but there are thousands. However, I had never found any of the four-wheels pram… until now.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Anonymous the 1st.
Yes that fits exactly the Third Way Theory.
the only bit missing from Susannah’s post is the motivation.
Why would the McCanns condone any possible form of abuse that may have led to their daughters death?
for money? no
for influence? no
to benefit from similar practices? possibly
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Kate in child welfare now that’s a laugh!
A crocodile is a better mother then she is.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Gerry or Kates holiday book
no stone unturned
found in their apartment
“NecroSearch International specializes in homicide cases shelved because of “corpus indelecti” that is, a body cannot be produced as evidence that a murder has taken place. Coming from a wide range of backgrounds geophysicists to “cadaver dog” specialists to chemists and rank-and-file cops the members of NecroSearch combine their skills to produce the most proficient (and most exciting) detective work since Sherlock Holmes. They take the coldest cases and comb for hidden graves on rural hillsides, in suburban backyards and at the bottom of mud-choked riverbeds, searching for remains that have been buried anywhere from two to 20 years. (Or 70, as in the notorious Romanov family case.) Having sharpened his true crime teeth on Monster, Jackson competes here with two other books on forensic science to appear this season: Michael Baden and Marion Roach’s Dead Reckoning and Corpse by Jessica Snyder Sachs. But while those books concentrate on the establishment of forensic methods as formidable weapons in the fight for criminal justice, this book combines the burden of scientific proof with rousing tales of police work out in the field or the quarry, the Rocky Mountains or someone’s backyard. The book covers the group’s quirky beginnings and digs into its most important cases suspensefully; Jackson’s sharp eye misses nothing in the painstakingly rendered details. A must-have for true crime fans, it should also be of great interest to anyone fascinated with the practical applications of science.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pm
susannah, my dear.
most of the people here have nothing new to say but still say it as often as possible. that includes me.
I hope you are wrong. It makes me sick just to think into that direction.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pm
531 Sophie
Everyone looks uspicious to me - except the little piggies.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Jane Tanner looks suspicious to me..Like she knows something!!