Madeleine McCann: When Waiters Attack, Kate McCann Childcare Inc. And Feudal Powers
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE – ‘McCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME’. Tapas bar waiter’s astonishing attack”
Jose Batista served the McCanns and party on that night Madeleine disappeared. “I did not think she had been taken by an abductor,” says he. “I told them [the police] it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close”
Mr Batista is a “crucial eyewitness”
Page 4: “Nanny would have cost just £10” – Batista is standing with his “partner” Maria Fernandes, who also works at the Ocean Club complex. She does not speak. She smiles for the camera. Why is she there? They are holding hands. He says the Tapas 9 did check on their children regularly: “I know that because I often took food to the table and found one of them not there. I would take it back to the table to heat it up. But it was always the men who went to check never the women.” Apart from the time Kate McCann went to check. So not always the men. Jose thought that strange. Why?
Says he: “They left heir children alone. If I had been in that position I certainly wouldn’t have done that.” Maria smiles
“Kate may be a child carer after ruling out GP work” – But would she make living at it?
THE SUN front page: “MADDIE EXCLUSIVE: WHAT WAITERS SAW. Kate left kids alone 3 hours a night”
It’s Jose Baptista, not to be confused with the Express’s Jose Batista, even if this waiter does look very similar and is seen holding hands with his “wife”, also called Maria
Pages 4 and 5: “The men normally checked on kids..Kate only went that one night”
Kate and Gerry are “doctors”. Says Jose: “They left their children alone for up to three hours every night.” Apart from when they all went out as family, with the “cranky” children
Maria speaks: “I definitely remember Madeleine. She was like a little angel, very quiet and good as gold. Just a lovely little blonde girl.” Blonde, you say?
“CAREER PLANS STILL ON HOLD”
DAILY STAR page 7: “holiday waiter describes horror night girl vanished – MADDIE: ‘ONLY PARENTS OR PALS COULD HAVE DONE IT’” – Jose Batista says…
“Kate wants job in child care”
DAILY MAIL front page: “I want to work in child care says Maddie’s mother”
Page 7: “Kate McCann ‘wants a job in child welfare’” – So it is “claimed”. So she ahs “told friends”
“FRIENDS ‘SHARED EIGHT BOTTLES OF WINE A NIGHT’” – Says Jose Baptista. Yes, eight bottles between nine Britons. On holiday. In the sun. Indeed, is that all?
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 9: “Madeleine’s mother ‘to as GP for a child welfare job’”
“One possibility is that she will set up a charity to raise awareness of the extent of child abductions across Europe, and help parents and children who suffer such an ordeal”
Fernando Jose Pinto Montiero, Portugal’s attorney general, says the country’s Ministerio Publico, likened to the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service, is a “feudal power”
THE INDEPENDENT, THE GUARDIAN, THE TIMES and DAILY MIRROR: No Madeleine news today
Posted: 23rd, October 2007 | In: Madeleine McCann Comments (1,637) | Follow the Comments on our RSS feed: RSS 2.0 | TrackBack | Permalink
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October 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Uta,
pretty good theory and I agree.
I also think that Kates mother dislikes Gerry and knows well something isnt right and he is behind it.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pm
693 Michael
Sure….thanks for the link, you should post it in here. I checked back a couple of times and didn’t see anything but then I realised my spam settings were a bit too strong. It wasn’t working yesterday and I was out on Sunday so didn’t get back to you.
Were you impersonated in here earlier? I see there was some strange postings from you.
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Mods and Admin
There was another user who is banned using ‘Michael’ I am checking that all future postings are the real Michael.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:31 pm
I posted this last night (this morning in GB) and thought it was worth repeating here on today’s forum:
Here’s a translation for a Oct 22 article in the Portuguese 24 Horas:
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=22935
Google translation of “24Horas” 22 -10
HALF A MILLION FOR MADDIE
A small fortune. The Portuguese State, which is all of us, has paid about half a million euros to try to locate the small Madeleine McCann, disappeared on 3 May last an apartment of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Algarve. Among police, judges and forensic experts have already spent the money equivalent to two “pools.”
The 24 made the accounts. At the beginning of the investigations and for nearly two weeks were involved in operations to search anything such as 200 agents, and investigators from the military and PJ’s GNR. Most of the Judicial investigators were deployed in Lisbon, and the National Directory and the Central Directorate of Combat the Banditisme. Only police spent in travel is something like 6,000 euros. This value must also be added the daily allowance that each police had a right to travel from Lisbon to the Algarve and that round about 50 thousand euros.
After a month of investigation the team has been reduced to about half hundred researchers and last month, for only half a dozen investigators from the PJ. Still, five months only the police cost to the state 200,000 euros to try to find Maddie.
But the costs are not confined to researchers of PJ’s military and the National Guard Republican who intervened in the case - the latter with teams cinotécnicas (dogs, search and rescue).
We must also account for the arrival of England by five policemen and their specialized teams of dogs to detect corpses. Between travel, stay and work spent by more than 100,000 euros since the girl was given as disappeared. All out of our pockets.
Further, the removal of the coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, the subsequent appointment of Paul Rebelo to lead the investigation and the strengthening of the team of inspectors of PJ was still increase the monthly costs by about 30 thousand euros.
Then there is still the staff of the Public Prosecutor of Portimão that they must treat the process, a prosecutor, a district attorney and a judge to work almost exclusively for Maddie. None of these three judges earn less than 3,000 euros per month. Putting even the Attorney-General of the Republic, which tracks the investigations hand in hand, we are talking about more than 50 thousand euros already spent in the process in just five months.
And do not think that spending is staying here. There is also the cost of the National Institute of Legal Medicine for the steps that have been requested.
Among the various examinations of DNA made under medico-legal expertise in the field of genetics and biology, which include samples of blood and saliva, samples of hair, teeth, bones or other tissues, and compared with samples from other family members to Gerry was to determine whether or not the true father of Madeleine, spent by more than 50,000 euros.
And still reach the account of the laboratory tests ordered for Birmingham, which will not be less than 200,000 euros.
The case Maddie is costing real wealth for us all. In summary, we currently pay, per day, more than five thousand euros to meet Maddie.
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EDNA responded to my post with the following:
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October 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 am
29 Jolie
Do you know Portugal is the poorest country in the EU? 25% of the populations lives on 305 Euros a month. This is hurting the country which is still struggling to get on its feet with all the budget issues. Hmm, are we, the taxpayers paying for this? We’rea lready taxed to death with some as high as 21%. If I knew any of my taxes were going to pay for this investigation, I will revolt! I think if it’s true and everyone knew, there would be public outrage, the likes never seen before.
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If it turns out that the McCanns are responsible for the death of Madeleine and it is proven, I hope there is a way of transferring the balance of the Find Madeleine Fund to Portugal to help pay for some of the cost for this enormous investigation that would have been unnecessary if the parents were honest up front about what happened to Madeleine.
Or perhaps the UK goverment can chip in? Or all the pro-McCann sympathizers and/or PJ slanderers might find it in their hearts to contribute?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm
685, Stevo,
Sometimes a yes or no invites another question.
No comment is final.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm
52 — “Was Kate bullied into believing that everyone involved should keep their mouths shut?” In my opinion, yes. I believe that what ever happened to Madeleine was accidental and Gerry convinced Kate — probably for “the sake of the twins” — that they should pretend Madeleien had been kidnapped, rather than risk losing their medical licesnes, etc. I am not saying Kate McCann is blameless, but I do see her as a pitiable figure, whereas I think Gerry McCann is rotten. He comes across as an egomaniac and a bully and I can imagine him taking charge and bullying Kate into going along with his plan. Perhaps Kate was all too willing to let Gerry do this, but I still have sympathy for ehr that I don’t have for him. It sounds like KM is coming apart at the seams, which at least means she has some feeling — perhaps a great deal of feeling — for her daughter. Gerry, on the other hand, generally seems to be just fine.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm
348 Carmen
I had visions of spanish fury, firy red hair, flamenco-ing like crazy.
GEORGE Carmen?????
You must admit your nickname was misleading, to say the least
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Do you suppose it would be legal to set up a McCann-based gambling site? we could all wager on who did what?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm
472 Third Way
Could make sense. Evidence? Or just the fact that the PJ clearly suspect them? (I’m not trivialising that idea, just asking you.)
Assuming the child was seen at around 6.00pm (or later) it clearly is ludicrous to suggest that in the time they had, the McCanns managed to kill Madeleine, accidentally or otherwise, then, without a car, dispose of her body (temporarily but safely, ready for burial later) AND concoct the worldwide hoax idea AND appear cool, calm and normal at the usual time in the tapas bar.
Therefore, a cover-up must implicate the others. But who on earth would risk career, life, their own children’s future etc. to help out mates by hiding their child’s body? I think few of us have such obliging friends!
(I know a Portuguese paper has said that the police now think GM might have asked Murat to hide the body for him. Quite likely, I suppose. If you had accidentally killed your child you might ask a friendly passer-by who lived locally to hide her body for you. Obviously you’d assure him that you’d be collecting it in few weeks when you got round to hiring a car. So if that theory is true, it lets the other friends off the hook.)
If it wasn’t Murat, there must be a conspiracy of some sort between the friends, as you suggest. Doesn’t seem very likely but what does in this case? All their other close friends here in England, who know them well, seem to think these people were all boringly nice and normal really. However, Third Way, it’s a theory one degree less absurd than some! (I’m not being rude. Kidnapping, which I still think, on balance, may be what happened, is equally unlikely. Whatever happened is very unlikely ever to happen, thank God.)
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Evening all
TheThirdWay
I’m definitely with the third way theory. Here’s a picture I lifted from the Mirror forum which I find disturbing. It’s Gerry playing with kids in the park with an onlooker smiling - the same guy who was pictured with Murat in the aftermath of Madeleine’s disappearance.
Then look at the opening in the playhouse, there’s a guy taking a pictures through it of the McCanns. Could it be Murat?
And could this whole wide “connections” network they seem to be able to call favours from be related to this sort of activity. Which, if this theory has real foundations, I hope only involved being allowed to take pictures in return for money to fund their ‘perfect lifestyle”.
Bit icky I know. Just a theory.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00221/ger388_221187a.jpg
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Stevo, she does mention Gerry as saying my daughters husband
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm
So shall we place bets on who the new suspect will be, if one is indeed announced Wednesday??
Gee, O’Brien, anyone?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm
690 Uta Hagen
You make a good point. I also find something else interesting from Mrs Healy. Hasn’t she always referred to “my daughter” and not even spoken about Gerry at all? I can’t recall her ever talking about the pair of them and certainly not Gerry. I may be wrong but I haven’t seen anything where she mentions him.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Stevo, just wondered if you got my email?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:24 pm
688 Ian
Yes, I’ve found similar types abroad too.
Brandonflours’ ideas that the thing that ties them together might be recreational drugs is interesting. What if Madeleine had swallowed several “happy” pills? Sedatives are a bit tame but finding a toddler with an illegal substance in their bloodstream as the source of death would be very incriminating and would result in them being kicked out as doctors.
It could be the thing that ties them together as well…if they were all indulging in that kind of activity.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:23 pm
7- Anorak- LOL.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:19 pm
34 — Thx for the post! I think there has been some sort of estrangement between Kate McCann and her mother for a while. Two days after the McCanns arrived back in England from Portugal, Susan Healy went on the Today Show to defend Kate and Gerry. HOWEVER, she told Matt Lauer she hadn’t seen her daughter yet! I was surprised Lauer, who’s usually pretty sharp and who seemed skeptical about the McCanns, didn’t pick up on this point. If your daughter had been out of the coutnry under the worst circumstances imaginable, wouldn’t you be at her doorstep to welcome her back? Especially BEFORE going on TV to talk about her? I think these latest Healy interviews may be Susan Healy’s sending her daughter a message. I think Healy resents the estanragement and suspects the McCanns were invovled in Madeleine’s disappearance. Maybe Healy is telling Kate and Gerry, “Let me see my (surviving) grandchildren…or I’ll keep talking. It may work, too, since these interviews do not cast the McCanns in an especially good light.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:17 pm
677- Ian, no, I haven’t read anything about any connection to Murat and any “favor”- can you direct me? (I haven’t read any news yet this morning- I’m having a hard time getting going to day -must try some coffee).
actually I’m in the USA, but I read anything I can find online in English on the McCanns, as well as the Portugese translations when I can. And I follow several blog/psychic sites.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:15 pm
685. Stevo. I guess ‘Yes’ would have required further explanation, no might not be true as he might have seen him around, talked to him.
I have a feeling that Kate didnt like Murat and he kept hanging around the well heeled Brits (I’ve seen this happen with similar ‘types’).
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pm
670 - agreed. also i listened again to the womans hour interview today. i lost count of how many time kate said ‘i mean’, from my understanding, people who say ‘erm’ and things similar, are usuallu subconciously thinking of something to say, rather than giving a straight answer
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pm
681 Nicolas, yes its coming together…they’ll be banged to rights soon!
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Ian
Why do you think Gerry said “no comment” when asked if he knew Murat?
I mean, what’s wrong with either of yes or no?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pm
683, Maria, he (you are right - used to own Everest - started out as a Window cleaner - no doubt saw some interesting things…sorry mind wandering)
He is a Jehovah witness????
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:11 pm
679 Harry.
They seem to have a slightly odd way of saying things, but I guess they arent really speaking their first language, Gerry isnt English and Kate is a scouse (=isnt English).
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pm
443 Hideki
There are TWO Brian Kennedys, as explained in my earlier post. There is no doubt of that. We’ve seen photos of each one. Brian Kennedy, uncle, could not pay Mitchell’s salary! Retired head. The other one is a glass magnate or double glazing or something of the sort and well into his millions! There were a lot of interviews with the second one, Jehovah witness, when he offered to help fund them by paying Mitchell’s salary. No secrecy about it at all. One of them may have a middle initial I suppose. No idea.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Gerry mccann and Murat might knew each other before the abduction.
Some trace of Madeleine might be found in Murat home, and on one of his car. These were found June and august.
“Th’ve taken her…” remeber? Who are “they” ?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pm
665 Ian
The Real McCann will no doubt use any communication between you and I to his advantage.
I heard the Woman’s Hour interview and didn’t twig the “we” part of finding Madeleine gone. You’re right though. This morning here in the USA, Patricia Cornwell was on discussing the case and she described Forensic Linguistics. In many cases in the USA, they have analysed the language and vocabulary to give clues about guilt. I thought it very interesting because that’s what most of us in here have talked about for weeks.
The McCanns are just so detached from everything. I can’t believe the grandparents aren’t chastising them for being so careless and that lack of care leading to Madeleine’s disappearance.
Another thought I had is that perhaps they left Madeleine every night because they were planning a pre-meditated murder. By leaving her every night and it being so safe, it adds weight to their abduction theory. If you see what I mean…?
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pm
..Kris, I’d never suggest banning you, your ideas are very useful to reinforce the suspect status of the Holy ones!
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I think I may possibly use the word “disaster” if I were phoning in such news to the wider family, though it is more likely I would say that there had been a somewhat adverse development - I do try to avoid causing undue alarm.
I would also promise to call again in the event that there were any further relevant developments whether positive or adverse.
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
676 Kris! You not been reading the papers and watching the news?
Oh! Only in the UK I suppose?
Well, its not looking so good for the Holy ones. Im now 100% convinced that they are involved in some kind of cover up but still no idea of the details. Looks increasingly like Murat wasnt entirely unknown to them and may have been doing a little favour, allegedly of course!
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pm
668 My Wife is half German, her Dad was in the Luftwaffe…captured by the Polish, saved by the Canadians and finally ended up in England.
She likes a drink herself (but we tend to take the kids out with us when we are home and on Holiday, so one of us has to drink Coke!).
We did consider the old sedation lark but we arent so good at working out the dosage.