Madeleine McCann: A Shower Curtain, Kate’s Church Whispers And The Blonde Of Karia Ba Mohamed
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR front page: “MADELEINE DNA IN BAG OF CLOTHES. Roadside find fuels hops she’s still alive”
Plastic bag near Faro airport. The “adult fleece” therein is “smeared with body fluids”. Which may explain why it was thrown away. Perhaps it was used to wipe something in an emergency? The residue is a “moderate” link to the missing child.
Says a friend of the McCanns: “This seems extremely significant. The fact they were found so recently does suggest Madeleine is still alive”
Pages 6 and 7: “IN THE BAG.” Yes, what’s in the bag. For those of you who didn’t read Anorak yesterday: “Shower curtain, white flannel, green elastic band, green child’s T-shirt, Pencil case”.
And “crucially” a pair of “adult jeans”. Although the Mirror does not put that in the list, nor the fleece. Why not?
The stuff is at the Forensic Science Service lab in Birmingham. It is being checked against “a list of known sex offenders”.
“SILENT SOBS AND PRAYERS” – “Outside, the chill autumn night was filled with the sounds of happy families celebrating Guy Fawkes” – Burn the Catholic!
“Inside the brightly lit parish church of St John, Kate McCann [Catholic
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November 11th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Heavens…I can’t recall where I last posted, I thought it was this thread (so much for email notification!).
This is off-topic - but does anyone know how tall Gerry McCann is?????
I will bookmark this for reference.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Hi all.
Did anyone else read No 79 of today’s postings?
Can anyone enlighten me on this ?
Congratulations Will on the new additions to the family.
November 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
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thea Says:
“November 6th, 2007 at 6:42 am
Hi,
Well back to the pajamas. I don’t know if anyone posted the link to Julie from Wales’ Blogspate? But here it is in case anyone is interested in details on the pyjamas game. See Julia’s October 26th entry:”
Thank you, thank you, thank you
I wouldn’t have known what to make of this case were it not for some complete no mark from wales.
Her insight into this case based on no knowledge of anything has really changed my mind - you see I always thought that people were innocent until proven guilty, but the mystery of the pyjamas has convinced me that the parents are in league with Osama bin Laden.
I have also chaged my mind that you are just a vicious old harridan with nothing better in her sad empty life than to cast aspersions on people who have lost their child, to believing that you are a force for good in an otherwise wicked world.
November 6th, 2007 at 7:29 am
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November 6th, 2007 at 7:06 am
This is a fascinating time in man’s history.
The end of many cycles are occurring now.
We are moving away from power and knowledge
to intuition and understanding.
I have absolute faith that truth will prevail in this case.
It is much much larger than we can contemplate and it begins
here this transformation to transparency and truth.
November 6th, 2007 at 6:42 am
Hi,
I hope everyone in the UK had a Happy Guy Fawkes’ Day!!! Sounds like a lot of fun. I was wondering if anyone made effigies of Gerry or Kate?
(Gordon? Ian Blair?)
Well back to the pajamas. I don’t know if anyone posted the link to Julie from Wales’ Blogspate? But here it is in case anyone is interested in details on the pyjamas game. See Julia’s October 26th entry:
http://julietpain.blogspot.com/search/label/Kate%20and%20Gerry%20McCann
November 6th, 2007 at 6:05 am
Wanderer
Thanks.
November 6th, 2007 at 6:01 am
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I think the only statement that came out directly from them was the blog entry. Here is the link to that:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2801121.ece
November 6th, 2007 at 5:51 am
Thanks again Wanderer.
Maybe they didn’t make a statement?
November 6th, 2007 at 5:42 am
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Murder
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You are correct about the significance of the pencil case.
(You deserve a promotion to lieutenant!)
The allergic reaction you are talking about is anaphylaxis.
Diphenhydramine is the drug reportedly found in the Madeleine blood traces. It’s the drug in “Calpol Night” and thus the talk about its use as a sedative. However, with the topic of allergic reaction, we have the (extremely likely scneario) that a different drug was administered by injection, caused an allergic reaction, which then resulted in emgergency treatment using diphenhydramine — which is , after all , PRIMARILY an anti-histamine.
This is almost certainly the “accident” to which the police have been referring.
See quotes below, such as “Antihistamines (eg, H1 blockers), such as diphenhydramine (Benadryl) are important and should be administered for all patients with anaphylaxis or generalized urticaria.”
Also, ” While most reactions occur within hours, symptoms may not occur for as long as 3-4 days after exposure.” This would of course constitute extraordinary medical malpractice on the part of the McCanns, since they left their children alone, knowing about this risk.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine
Diphenhydramine works by blocking the effect of histamine at H1 receptor sites. This results in effects such as the reduction of smooth muscle contraction, making diphenhydramine a popular choice for treatment of the symptoms of allergic rhinitis, hives, motion sickness, and insect bites and stings.
http://healthresources.caremark.com/topic/topic42875
Anaphylaxis is a rapidly progressing, life-threatening allergic reaction.
Description
Anaphylaxis is a type of allergic reaction, in which the immune system responds to otherwise harmless substances from the environment. Unlike other allergic reactions, however, anaphylaxis can kill. Reaction may begin within minutes or even seconds of exposure, and rapidly progress to cause airway constriction, skin and intestinal irritation, and altered heart rhythms. In severe cases, it can result in complete airway obstruction, shock, and death.
Causes
Like the majority of other allergic reactions, anaphylaxis is caused by the release of histamine and other chemicals from mast cells. Mast cells are a type of white blood cell and they are found in large numbers in the tissues that regulate exchange with the environment: the airways, digestive system, and skin.
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic25.htm
Antihistamines (eg, H1 blockers), such as diphenhydramine (Benadryl) are important and should be administered for all patients with anaphylaxis or generalized urticaria…
…Oral medications and many other types of exposures also have been implicated. Anaphylaxis also may be idiopathic.
…Most severe reactions occur soon after exposure. The faster a reaction develops, the more severe it is likely to be. While most reactions occur within hours, symptoms may not occur for as long as 3-4 days after exposure.
…Reactions tend to be more severe and rapid in onset when the antibiotic is administered parenterally [by injection].
…Pretreatment with antihistamines or corticosteroids and use of LMW agents lead to lower rates of anaphylactoid reactions to IV contrast. Consider these measures for patients who have prior history of reaction, since rate of recurrence is estimated at 17-60%. Patients who are atopic and/or asthmatic also are at increased risk of reaction. In addition, allergic reaction is more difficult to treat in those taking beta-blockers.
…. Use of LMW contrast decreases incidence of reactions to approximately 0.5%. Personnel, medications, and equipment needed for treatment of allergic reactions always should be available when these agents are administered. Obtain consent before administration.
…widely quoted protocol for prevention of reactions to IV contrast suggests the following:
Use low osmolality contrast.
Administer hydrocortisone (200 mg IV); wait 2 hours if clinically appropriate.
Administer diphenhydramine (50 mg IM) immediately before the procedure.
November 6th, 2007 at 5:40 am
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Kris
“So why are they [the McCanns], instead, using these awkward phrasings that make everyone think they are guilty? ”
So you believe that everyone thinks they are guilty? No wonder you are so frantically trying to get some of us to see that child neglect is just a matter of poor judgement, blah blah blah. You are lonely! LOL
November 6th, 2007 at 5:38 am
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/prayers-for-madeleine/1756328232
This is the only video I can find of the service, it doesn’t include them speaking though.
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Ellie, you’re welcome to your opinions and your prayers. They were on holiday, but if you hired someone else to watch your child and you found out they went out back where they couldn’t see the house, left a door unlocked, and decided to drink (hey, they were on midterm holiday!), I imagine you would be a bit upset. In fact I think you would worry about that person as well, after checking on your child, worrying that something could have happened to them. Parenting is a full time job you don’t get paid for, which is why people do get upset over the McCanns leaving their children, everyone knows and realizes it was a mistake; but claiming that it is a lesser mistake because they were on holiday and wanted to have a good time isn’t going to help the McCanns or their case.
I think everyone here is in agreement that they want the case solved and for Madeleine to be found. Everyone has sympathy for Madeleine and the twins, I believe some people, upon hearing that the McCanns were now suspects lost some or all sympathy for them (others insist they thought the McCanns were involved from the start). In any case, there a like minded people for all groups of belief, and I don’t see how we are just making things worse. After all, the British press is more favorable towards the McCanns; people generally come on forums in order to hear different views and express their own (we have a mixture of views here and yes, sadly some abuse), I think that is a good thing.
November 6th, 2007 at 5:34 am
Murder,
I may have something to interest you.
Can you email me and i will show it to you.
michaelrobinson@home.nl
thanks
Michael
November 6th, 2007 at 5:33 am
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Kris Says:
“Hideki- fine. Whatever. You’re obviously one of those not-quite-rational anti-McCann people who need them to be guilty at all cost and who see everything they do, from eating to breathing to sleeping to jogging, through the bias of your belief in their guilt. So there’s no sense talking to you anymore. ”
You are obviously someone who resorts to personal remarks when you are unable to answer simple pointed questions or to back up your unsubstantiated remarks.
“I’ve never been anything other than nice to you, and have made obvious that I am not one who believes absolutely in the McCanns’ innocence, but you seem convinced that I am wrong anyway, because I do think there is not enough evidence to prove them guilty at this point.”
Yes, you are wrong, and you keep playing that game about “guilt or innocense”, always referring only to the question of whether they killed the girl or not.Actually, in all matters (such as criminal neglect, illegal disposing of a body, etc) the notion that we need evidence to “prove” them guilty here is ridiculous. People are just speculating about the probable extent of their guilt, and whether or not they should be charged (and with what) and be put on trial. No one needs you to come in here repeating over and over that the McCanns have not yet been found guilty in a court of law.
“But I have no interest in defending them or lying on their behalf.”
That sounds like a lie to me. No, sorry, it was merely an “inconsistency”. I forgot that for people like you, the McCanns NEVER LIE… they only come up with inconsistent statements, which is quite permissible. LOL
“You’re paranoid and stupid.”
More stupid personal remarks from someone unable to fashion a logical argument and maintain it over the course of a thread.
“As for why the McCanns are “so convinced” that pedos took their daughter, I really didn’t know they were so convinced. I think they have publicly put forth a variety of scenarios they believe are possible.”
Team McCann’s private detective agency Metodo3 has only put out ONE SINGLE THEORY. You claimed it had two, but refused to show any source for that ludicrous contention. Now you are falsely talking about “a variety of scenarios”. Can’t you stick to one single spun out falsity?
The only place you will find that variety is at forums like this ANORAK one, because pro-McCon hacks like you have been unable to disrupt the conversation.
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Kris Says:
“Hideki, also , i have figured out (through a more careful analysis of your posts) why I can’t seem to follow you. Very frequently, the first part of your sentence seems to be going one place with one thought pattern, then the second half of the sentence spins out somewhere unexpected , which couldn’t be anticipated in the first part of the sentence. It’s like you can’t quite fully finish a thought.”
No, it’s more like you have trouble reading and thinking. I’m glad to know you find some unexpected things in my posts, though… but I certainly don’t write them for mindless Team McCann PR goof-ups like you.
November 6th, 2007 at 5:25 am
Sorry.
Wrong Uta.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:55 am
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/prayers-for-madeleine/1756328232
This is the only video I can find of the service, it doesn’t include them speaking though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIqdbkxTCGU
Here is Gerry returning to work, incase anyone wants that one.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:53 am
What do you mean solidarity? I don’t know them from Adam. They could have bodies piled high in their basement. They could be killing their way through their patients.
I’d like them better if Gerry could stop looking so smug whenever there’s a camera about. I swear the way he slimed over the Pope made me feel queasy.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:41 am
How on earth could one possibly imagine that Madeleine’s parents had anything to do with their daughter’s disappearance? What’s happened to people’s sense of solidarity? Instead of coming to false conclusions, why doesn’t everybody support and try to be of some help instead of making things worse. It is unbelievable that her parents are being investigated because they and their companions had who knows how many bottles of wine during the meal - for heavens sake - they were all on holiday!!!
The McCanns and Madeleine continue in my family’s prayers and positive thoughts for a happy family reunion and I invite everybody to do likewise.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:37 am
Bob
You might have said you were replying to Uta. You got me all hopeful and then dashed it like a swine.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Here’s the link you wanted Uta.
http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2007/11/giada-de-lauren.html
November 6th, 2007 at 4:32 am
Hi Wanderer
Thanks. It wasn’t that one though. I think they were meant to have made a statement before or after the Church service they held to mark the 6 months since Madeleine went missing.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:27 am
Karen, is this what you mean?
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1289958,.html
(Spanish interview)
I wasn’t aware of the McCanns personally making another interview (a filmed one), at 6 months. Just people asking Gerry questions at work and some news about the church service. I tend to read about this case though, rather than watch all of the interviews and stuff.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:26 am
Murder
Goodnight
November 6th, 2007 at 4:24 am
Kris
They must think they sound alright. Most of the media in Britain is completely supportive, it’s only us on Anorak that are being like doubting Thomas.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:22 am
Karen:
If the police avoided certain lines of inquiry because they were ‘unpleasant thoughts’, I guess they wouldn’t solve many cases…
Anyway… it’s FAR too late. Goodnight all.
And as Christ allegedly said (some of you) try to love one another a little more… (however ‘unpleasant’ it might seem at first).
November 6th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Bob, you’re just being mean to me.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:20 am
Murder, yes, I really should not get so involved in riling up the irrational masses. It’s just that they come after me the minute I show up, when I haven’t posted so much as “good day,” and have said repeatedly I think the McCanns could well be guilty, and yet they go after me and accuse me of being a paid Team McCann member, and I start reacting, and then it’s just so much fun to see them all in a frenzy, I have a hard time stopping. But anyway, your’e right, I shouldn’t do that. But t here is a whole loony group of Faith-Based Anti-McCanns and they do in fact get extremely hostile very quickly.
As for your earlier long post, which was good, I did answer it way back up there somewhere, my thoughts regarding the timeline, etc. I need to go look at some analyses of the actual apartment situation in relation to the street, etc– for instance, I just clicked today there’s a PATIO door and the MAIN door. There are two doors here. Where’s the main door?
And I absolutely agree with you about strange word choices. But here’s the thing about that– for both Gerry and Kate (because her word choices are also truly weird)… If they DID kill Madeleine and were trying to cover it up, why in the world would they decide to use verbiage that is actually accurate instead of verbiage meant to truly cover it up? Why would they use words that they MUST know seem weird and inconsistent to everyone on the planet , rather than words that people expect? They have the PR team, they have the advisers, I’m sure someone could give them — based on past cases of missing children– some words that work better with the public than those they choose. So why are they, instead, using these awkward phrasings that make everyone think they are guilty? Go read Kate’s 6-month- plea… I mean, it’s downright bizarre, her phrasing is all off and wrong, and I don’t get it.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:17 am
Here here
November 6th, 2007 at 4:15 am
Over where Bob?
November 6th, 2007 at 4:12 am
Murder
I sometimes think it must be something like that, or else why all the weirdness?
We do know that they’re very protective of their image, they put as much effort into denying neglect as they put into talking about Madeleine. It might be that they would be so driven by the need to look like good parents or good doctors that they would do something drastic like hide her body. It’s an unpleasant thought though.
November 6th, 2007 at 4:08 am
I think I’ve got the link over here