Moderator - ‘here we go gathering nuts in May’?

Hideki wrote:“This ties in with my posting in that I have emphasized how little has been shown about Madeleine’s medical history. Why won’t the McCanns make that entire medical history public? That would clear up all sorts of questions about autism rumours, developmental problems, etc. And it would be pertinent to know who the last non-McCann doctors were who examined her.”

Stig replied: “What makes you think the McCanns should divulge personal and private details of their children just to satisfy the impertinent and nosy speculation of people on an internet forum?”

That is not why I think they should make Madeleine’s medical history public — stop putting words in my mouth. Actually, it is the McCanns who brought the medical history issue up by emphasizing her coloboma (while not mentioning her “heterochromia iridis”, which is also observable from photos).

“You are as bad as Stevo, who wants their financial details and private holiday photos all made public, just to satisfy his intrusive curiosity.”

Again, you are putting words in other posters’ mouths — it’s a bad habit, Stig– do try to break it. Stevo does not want them made public for that reason. He has given plenty of other reasons. One quick reason I will give you is that the McCanns themselves formed a private company to solicit donations for the purpose of finding their daughter, who they already knew was dead.

“I think the coloboma is missing from that earlier photo because it was touched up to remove it, like people do to remove red-eye in flash photos.”

You think?! LOL — That’s groundless speculation, Stig. What proof do you have that the photo was touched up? Was the heterochromia touched up too, eh? Without the medical history, you won’t know whether or not the heterochromia formed in the interim between photos with and without it. Heterochromia, by the way indicates a spinal problems that are also visible in a couple of the photos — as you can see in the link below, spinal problems are also associated with coloboma.

Anyway, it’s very ironic to see you agreeing with Steve that the McCanns have ALTERED photographs which they presented to the public for identification of Madeleleine. Why did they present altered photos, Stig? And thanks for providing another reason that Stevo and others are correct in demanding that the McCanns provide many more photos of Madeleine — have they all been touched up?

http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_rnib003643.hcsp
Some children with coloboma may have other developmental problems. Medical staff will be able to advise and offer support services in these cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-eye_syndrome
The most common association of symptoms include coloboma of the iris, renal abnormalities, and imperforate anus. Life expectancy is not significantly reduced in those patients who do not present with life threatening abnormalities.

Characteristics
Anal atresia (abnormal obstruction of the anus)
Unilateral or bilateral iris coloboma (absence of tissue from the colored part of the eyes)
Palpebral fissures (downward slanting openings between the upper and lower eyelids)
Preauricular pits/tags (small depressions/growths of skin on the outer ears)
Cardiac defects
Kidney problems (missing, extra, or underdeveloped kidneys)
Short stature
Scoliosis/Skeletal problems
Mental retardation — although most are borderline normal to mildly retarded, and a few even have normal intelligence, CES patients occasionally exhibit moderate to severe retardation.
Micrognathia (smaller jaw)
Hernias
Cleft palate
Rarer malformations can affect almost any organ

but then again its not theyre fault theyre daughter got taken away.
but i really wonder why someone would do something like that, taking a kid away like that, thats just horrible and traumatizing, not only for the parents, but most importanly the kid.

“This ties in with my posting in that I have emphasized how little has been shown about Madeleine’s medical history. Why won’t the McCanns make that entire medical history public? That would clear up all sorts of questions about autism rumours, developmental problems, etc. And it would be pertinent to know who the last non-McCann doctors were who examined her.”

What makes you think the McCanns should divulge personal and private details of their children just to satisfy the impertinent and nosy speculation of people on an internet forum? Do you have children? Would you care to supply your childrens entire medical history just because I say you should?

You are as bad as Stevo, who wants their financial details and private holiday photos all made public, just to satisfy his intrusive curiosity.

I think the coloboma is missing from that earlier photo because it was touched up to remove it, like people do to remove red-eye in flash photos.

No Worries. I posted that a couple days ago as part of my Blonde Connection post. I just put that together for fun, but also the semi serious bits.

I shall have to dig out some of the family silver to appease Pitty. On second thoughts I might just nip down to a jewelers and buy a pair of nice big silver hoop earrings, or perhaps a silver backed hair brush? No point ruining a perfectly good Georgian silver spoon.

If you took the trouble to read the previous related posts, you would not be so confused. I suggest you pay attention to Peter O’s thoughtful response (922).

“If it is the former, well your ideas are a little …unusual/imaginative…”

Yes, but Lilith’s OBSERVATIONS are not imaginative. She has noticed that the eye condition DOES NOT APPEAR in earlier photos of Madeleine, even when zooming in. Other presented photos do not show that eye.

This ties in with my posting in that I have emphasized how little has been shown about Madeleine’s medical history. Why won’t the McCanns make that entire medical history public? That would clear up all sorts of questions about autism rumours, developmental problems, etc. And it would be pertinent to know who the last non-McCann doctors were who examined her.

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dora Says:
“I always come to this site for a laugh. Just when you think that you have read the dumbest post like poor lilith’s theory that the McCanns travelled to Portugal with an already dead Madeleine in tow…”

You come here to look for the most insignificant points, and it is not surprising that you find them, and dwell upon them. However, the SIGNIFICANT point of Lilith’s posts is NOT the minute particulars of her theory, but rather the basic observations upon which she adds her speculation.

It does indeed seem possible that Madeleine did NOT have this eye condition, or that conversely to Lilith’s explanation, some of the earlier photos presented to the public as Madeleine (those with normal eyes, or right eye not visible) are NOT Madeleine. That would mean there are even fewer photos of Madeleine available than previously thought.

This gives yet another reason to press the McCanns to make public the entire medical history of Madeleine.

As for the idea that O’Brien’s child was substituting for Madeleine, that’s possible but has some difficulties which Peter O and others quickly pointed out. Unfortunately, posters like Alexis and Dora have trouble making this distinction between improbable (but possible) speculative explanations, and the significant observations and puzzling facts that gave rise to the speculations.

Bending the Rules
There is a saying ‘that in Britain everything is legal unless the law prohibits it.’

Given that there is a law against most things, it becomes a question of looking for the loopholes to freedom.

I can’t help thinking there must be some sort of law against the newspapers and media giving the phone number for the McCann’s hotline. For one thing anyone ringing it is charged @50p (0.85 Euros - at current exchange rates @59p) a minute. And secondly the matters being reported relate to an ongoing criminal investigation, of which the British police are active members.

http://trannyfattyacid.blogspot.com/

just realised I might get my darling from the” killers ” in trouble again if someone googled him

I have often wondered who these 6 bodies were and how they died on one day a week in the couple of weeks before the holiday

Also

regarding cuddlecat the ” surgery gonk”

I have looked after over 20 babies in the past with all kinds of comfort objects

so why kate had cuddlecat at work?

there was more than one, she kept the spare in her bag!

probably the one maddie had on her at the time of death also

freshly cleaned cuddlecat came out after cops took tests

i am trying to get my head around the time lines. i think we can assume they are reasonably elastic from an interpretation point of view. ie no two watches at same time, possibly some people not wearing watches on holiday and having to make best guesses regarding times /durartions. the following posts have been helpful.

1161 oct 25
141 oct 24
830 nov 6
the mirror blog http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=622221

if the cadaver dogs did find the scent of MM’s death on KM, and the scent takes around two hours to manifest itself, then you would think the time of death was around 6:00 pm or earlier. by all acounts KM left for the tapas bar around 8:00 pm and supposedly did not come into contact with MM again. IMHO, most folks i know try and go on holiday with clean clothes so i would be surprised if KM’s clothes were scented from coming into contact with 6 dead people immediately before going on holiday. presumably the existence of these corpses and what clothes were worn at the time KM inspected them could be verified. if verified, this would provide a valid reason for the scent being present. if not, then there has to be an alternative source of the scent.

anyone else have a view on this?