What was their “proof”? Did either you or Stevo find it convincing?

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Kris
“Just because I think you’re an idiot doesn’t mean everyone here agrees with me! ”

Yet another inappropriate personal insult from Kris. She is apparently incapable of sustaining an argument without calling people names, and attacking them, rather than addressing the discussion points. Should have been banned from this site long ago.

Because, golly, I have never seen it raised here before!

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Do you actually have a point you wish to make, or are you just firing out random un-constructed comments?

“Already have [shown that IDing a corpse takes 6 months]….yesterday and today.Please see 301.”

That anecdotal story is interesting, but provides no information at all on what caused the delay in that particular case. The body was said to be “badly decomposed”, whereas the body of BG was apparently NOT badly decomposed.

And I’ve heard nothing about on what basis the BG=MM was “ruled out” by someone — was this just a preliminary guess based on estimated age, or estimated time of death? Was it by blood type?

I find it absurd that we were told BG=MM has been “ruled out” without hearing exactly on what basis this determination could be made.

we all have opinions about things here. all includes stevo, you and i and everyone else posting. we would not be normal otherwise. each is entitled to their opinions.

stevo has a hypothesis about BG possibly being MM. he wants to see if it breaks. if it breaks we close the door and move on to some other hypotheses knowing we have truly tested one which didn’t hold up . just because stevo does not want to give this one away until it is proven or broken does not make him wrong. stevo’s decision point on the MG issue is different from yours, mike h’s et al. you all have a prerogative to pursue these sorts of issues until you reach a decision point with which you are satisfied. frankly i can’t recall having seen any real debate on this issue recently. just name calling and people “telling” other people why they are right. your criterion for closing this issue differs from others. telling people this issue is “closed” is misleading when you know full well some people will only close this when they have heard DNA has settled it. perhaps an IMO would be appropriate

i don’t believe it was necessary to establish contact with stevo’s source so you can have your own line to the BG task force. to what avail? so you can be first to say “I told you so” if / when the DNA confirmation comes thru advising BG is not MM. me, i’ll just wait for stevo to let us know the outcome in due course. i have other things to do.

personally, the BG issue leaves me cold. i have a wheelie mouse which is great for getting past stuff you are not interested in. quick scan and skim past.

i think we should all have wheelie mice.

as i said previously i don’t think stevo is right on this one but i don’t set out to attack him on his point of view. i would love to be proved wrong but i don’t think it will happen.

many others posting here think there is a possibility BG = MM. stevo is not alone. neither are you and mike h etc.

just because we don’t agree on this doesn’t mean we can’t co-operate. i sent stevo the latest mirror forum link the other day in which someone claims to have proven the final photo of maddie is a fake. i know stevo feels strongly about this.

i remember a pretty vitriolic exchange amongst stevo and some others few weeks ago. i can’t recall all the parties but i do remember stevo being “visibly” upset. i thought it was pretty poor attacking someone based on a personal family circumstance. it does look like the reason behind this personal attack has gone away as it has not resurfaced. long may this continue.

let’s try and find out what happened to MM and possibly influence the final outcome.

as for me. i was a pro mccann until i discovered this sight. i watched and became a fence sitter. the arguments of the debaters, circumstantial evidence and behaviours of the MC’s, have caused me to come down on one side of the fence. the side i am one says MM was probably not abducted and, in all likelihood, is probably dead.

imo, if MM was not abducted, her parents have a pretty damn good idea what happened on or around 3rd may even if they were not actively responsible for her demise. imho, if MM was abducted, there is absolutely no doubt about the MC’s culpability in MM’s demise because of their manifest negligence in looking after her and the twins.

if you want people to participate in these discussions it is sometimes best to adopt the stance that there is no such thing as a stupid idea. people contribute if they are not shot down. we want contributors here, not destroyers. well I do anyway.

have a chill pill. stay cool. “c” “u” 2morrow.

btw, i do read your postings even if i don’t always agree with them.

Well !! there you have it, all the answers are there, so now we have “Saint Madeleine de Medjugorje ” so we can all RIP now

Because, golly, I have never seen it raised here before!

I’m actually intrigued by the possibility that (was it Clarkeson who proposed this?) we’re actually given a lot of clues to what really happened in the precise phrasing of the McCanns in public… “not there the moment she was taken,” etc. Because on the one hand it seems so glaringly obvious that the McCanns are hiding something and acting in a manner that is completely over-the-top unnatural. On the other hand, I can’t even in my wildest dreams imagine anything so gutsy as the smokescreen they appear to have created to coverup their daughter’s death if they were the ones who committed the Act Of Death Itself — nor can I even imagine a couple in some kind of loss/grief/fear (or some combination of those three) maintaining such a fine acting job. There simply has to be some other element we don’t know yet…. Which would bring us to what Clarkeson suggests, or even The Third Way. I really do think we are missing some chunks of this story, and that is why the DNA doesn’t quite make sense, that is why their behavior doesn’t make sense, etc….

I also find it absolutely hilarious that people are trying to paint these broad, vivid strokes with their moral paintbrushes… over a simple case of a missing child. I mean, come on, people… if you want to have some righteous indignation, if you want some situations that show the decline of the entire Western Culture (not just Britain, not just the USA) I’m quite sure you could find much more pertinent examples.

Like Portia, I think your comments are very perceptive. I wonder if Britain is much different in these respects compared to four decades or so ago (we left in the 60’s)? I questioned an author here (Irish Canadian) about the notable changes that had taken place in that country in recent decades, which probably mirror those in Britain.

In sum, there would appear to have been a notable rise in (trying to use the right descriptive language) in what might be called a middle class materialistic mindset; the sense of belonging to a larger community/society at large is no longer. Those of the working class are shunned in a way they were not in decades past. The nouveaux riche and material possessions have a cache that did not exist to the same degree in the past. The “get with it,” social climbing, urban trendies are in; working class culture is “out,” so to speak.

Anyway, I think that is an approximate description of the picture drawn by the author in question of modern-day Ireland (Dublin, anyway). It is probably applicable to Britain. I suspect I would find it quite a changed country were I to live there again after all these years.

Sorry to digress so much from the main topic, the McCanns, but there is some relevance in this, I think.

If you are still out there, that was a great post. You’re so right about class no longer counting. To the media, it’s all about having money and being a celebrity.

And for the other posters who have been talking about the dark forces, it’s very simple. For ages, Europe has been building up or tearing down Christendom. The result is the Age of Mammon. It will remain until the end of time, IMHO.