Think about that one for a bit ” based on what the McCanns and friends said” …are we not already agreed they are all the biggest load of liars ? I am not talking about reconstructions, I am talking about what most likely happened and the two would be worlds apart.

I assume you are Kris under another name? Apologies if not.

Despite your constant harping on about people raising the ‘neglect’ issue yet again, you are in fact raising it yourself, though you do it in such a way as to attempt to mitigate the McCann’s alleged behaviour in the grand scale of the abuses that go on around us every day in the world.

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“I have seen real cases of abuse, and neglect, and so when you sit here and tell me that the McCanns should be prosecuted for “neglect” of Madeleine and her siblings because they foolishly chose to have some wine and tapas at a restaurant across the swimming pool, just like all the other vacationing parents did, well, that makes me angry, Peter.”

I did not, and in fact have never said, that the McCann’s should be prosecuted for neglect, you are raising it again yourself. If in the fullness of time the Portuguese authorities decide to pursue such a charge then so be it. I’m in quite a significant minority on this forum because I do not believe that the McCann’s should be pursued by a third party on child neglect charges, whilst there is still an ongoing criminal investigation.

In all probability Madeleine is dead. Now, I don’t know how being dead rates as opposed to “recovering from/living with” the most appalling daily abuse that you have described? If Madeleine isn’t dead, then one can only wonder at her current circumstances and potential suffering.

Whatever Madeleine’s present whereabouts it comes about directly from the circumstances the McCann’s themselves helped create. If there was a third party involved in Madeleine’s disappearance and possible demise, neither you nor I know what, if any, abuses Madeleine may have suffered nor for how long.

You also make a quite incorrect assertion that “all the other vacationing parents” did much what the McCann’s did. This is one of the worst lies perpetuated by those who seek to excuse the McCann’s behaviour. I have to admit that I have been truly shocked by the number of people who do appear to claim this is “normal” behaviour, much more than I could ever have imagined. That said the vast majority of people would never leave young children unattended for any period of time.

It is these factors, linked to the McCann’s inability to show any real regret for their actions and the part it played in creating the environment which led to Madeleine’s alleged abduction that unsurprisingly causes anger amongst others.

There is a whole world of difference between endlessly debating the “Neglect” issue, which is after all a “legal” definition and seeking via whatever means to write off the McCann’s at best “lax” childcare arrangements because worse things happen in the world.

You have chosen in a public forum to post details of the most appalling abuses that you say you have direct experiences of. Please do not assume that because I do not choose to share my life experiences in a similar manner that I do not therefore have experiences on which to base my opinions.

It is not so important that the kids choose to be with the mother for whatever reason. This is not and “end” result, for they are but teenagers — the “end” result will be that they will always feel in their bones what you did for them in a simple, honest and warm way. But by way of advice, I’d say if you feel lonely (or miss them) and want to hang around them sometimes, you should let them know. Nothing wrong with letting people know when one feels too alone.

The McCanns have no concept of this kind of ordinary love for children. Children for them are objects, to be used (and abused), and to be put away when not in use.

November 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Why are you people so obsessed w/ the Mccanns’…I could see if this topic was in the headline news everyday, You literally have to look this case up, and everything you read is a complete joke..Get over it people…Daily telegraph, diario de manhia, all just a bunch of lies..Trust me..
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Alright…we trust you….so what IS the truth ?? where is Madeleine ??

November 26th, 2007 at 5:42 am
724 say yes
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My sentiments exactly !! Why do these people think that their “status” absolves them from the same kind of blame and criticism as the rest of us ??

November 26th, 2007 at 3:14 am
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I think it is generally accepted that he/she now went down the dark, unlit, alleyway beside the apartments, down another one leading to the car park at the back and off in a white van, not wandering about in a brightly lit street, carrying a “bundle” where Gerry MAY have been.

November 26th, 2007 at 4:53 am
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All details of your rant are taken and noted but the McCanns left three vulnerable children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country whilst they went out to enjoy themselves, which was very selfish to say the least. According to what THEY have said they were variously checking every five minutes or every hour, according to what THEY say the children were not sedated but the little ones didn’t wake up AT ALL whilst the parents, friends et al were screaming around the place, turning it upside down and searching for Madeleine and then the Police actually carried these twins out like “sacks of flour” because they were “sleeping” so heavily ….give me a break !!!! This is as much neglect, abuse or whatever as any physical rapings and beatings that you relate but what is worse about this is that it is so subtle and perpetrated by …ahem…upper class professional people and not by weirdos you quote who seem to have come from some sort of “Deliverance” scenario. You did see “Deliverance” I expect ?

November 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Ann WHO are the McCrimms? Have you imagined someone else strange? There are a lot of people in psychiatric hospitals who see “strange” in everyone else.

Dot

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“The McCrims” is a well known connotation of the McCann’s name used frequently throughout the posts since Day One but you have obviously not been around that long.

November 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Ann and Ontuu
Are you absolutely sure that it is not you pair who are strange. You are speaking of people you do not know . You’ll drive yourselves potty if you haven’t already

Dot
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Well I don’t know what perspective you are coming from but people who change their stories every five minutes, who tell blatant lies about where they were and when, and then can be easily disproved , the Police who decided on one thing then had to be replaced by someone a little less biased, the parents who are gob-smackingly callous and unemotional about something so devastating as the disappearance of their child …I mean…would YOU go jogging or playing tennis the next day ??????? Come ON Dot these people are all beyond weird, just go back over the news casts never mind the posts on here, just re-read what they have all done and said and how they have behaved, like Maria Walchzuk saying she was at a Jehovah’s Witness meeting and then they said oh no she wasn’t !! because she is banned from their faith !! why did she say that then ? is that not a tad weird and suspicious ???? Watch the Youtube clips of Kate and Gerry in which Gerry is baltantly lying about sedating the kids and Kate shows about as much emotion over losing her chikld as she woudl over losing “a hankie” I believe it was that someone posted. ” Click and she was gone …” she said….Think before you criticise in future please, these are all bloody wieirdos ……………

while i can understand your anger i feel you have missed the point.
the neglect by the McCanns of their children has resulted in the loss of one of them.
just because they play tennis go jogging and live in a very expensive house does not alter the fact that due to their neglect a child is missing and presumed dead.
where do you draw the line. i agree that there are horrible sadistic parents out there who abuse children but the bottom line is the individual child and i will never ever allow social status as an excuse .
neglect is neglect
a dead child is a dead child
and that dead child is still dead it makes no difference if the family are crack heads or wealthy it is still a dead child

I do not post to inflame opinions. I post because — yes, Peter, it’s true– there are opinions out there other than yours! There are people who (gasp) see things differently).

Peter, you say: “Many of the grand/global events you mention result in countless thousands, and in some cases millions of victims. These victims you usually have little, if indeed any, input into the circumstances that caused their suffering/demise.”

You said this in response to my statement that the McCanns error was not as serious in the big picture, quote, which includes nasty wars, and massive fatalities from wildfires and tsunamis, and thousands dead of starvation the world over, this month and every month, dirty water, rampant consumerism, AIDS, active sexual abuse of small children, etc.”

I think you are missing my point. I’d say that examples such as “active sexual abuse of small children” and “AIDS” and other examples of very real problems/misdeeds in the world, are in fact the result of poor choices by human beings. Heck, the fact that we repeatedly eat beef from cows fed in really horrid, nasty feedyards — fed a diet of soy and corn that breeds E-Coli and a diet that includes the leftover parts of other cows in their soy/corn mix causing Mad cow, for instance — this is also an example of egregious human error/misdeed. Let’s see. My foster son (and I’ve cited this example before) spent 12-13 years living in apartments infested with cat shit, no running water at all, no shower, no flushing toilet, and nothing in the house to eat but some twelve-day-old bread and molded strawberry jam. Maybe some cheese product in a good week after dad sold some dope.

A close friend of mine was repeatedly raped by not only her father, but also her brother (six years her senior) from the age of 9 to the age of 13 when she tried to kill herself and therefore notified the authorities to her situation in the hospital. The social workers gave her BACK to the family after clearing the case, four months later.

I know a girl who is now 16, who had her first child at age 13 having been raped by her cousin, who lived in the same house.

I have seen real cases of abuse, and neglect, and so when you sit here and tell me that the McCanns should be prosecuted for “neglect” of Madeleine and her siblings because they foolishly chose to have some wine and tapas at a restaurant across the swimming pool, just like all the other vacationing parents did, well, that makes me angry, Peter. I think you make a mockery of people like my friend who was raped at age 9, who suffered real neglect and abuse. I think you make a mockery of all the children who are suffering from parents who not only don’t care about them (and perhaps the McCanns didn’t really care about Madeleine, I don’t know) but who truly don’t bother to take care of them. At all. Who send them to school without breakfast every morning. Who don’t put a coat on them on sub-zero days. Who ignore signs of physical and sexual abuse.

I think making too big a deal out of the McCanns poor judgment shows your own lack of knowledge about the real world. There are much, much more serious problems out there. Trying to make a federal case out of this one is absolutely shameful.

You certainly have phobia against catholics. To go that far back in history to plead your case. Get over it. Move on.

Tony Bennet/149?
I doubt the McCanns would confess to the priest anything that might implicate them . They are far more sophisticated than that. (unless you were in the confessional)
What deep seeded anger you must have maligning the young catholic priest. Perhaps you have unresolved issues.