Madeleine McCann: The Scenic 17, Dr Denny Says And DNA
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS page 21: “New DNA tests could unlock the mystery of lost Madeleine”
More DNA tests at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham And this after the DNA tests proved inconclusive…
“Seventeen human cells could provide a major breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann mystery…The DNA samples are being examined by scientists in Britain and Portuguese detectives believe the evidence could unlock an investigation which is now in its eighth month”
The Tapas 7. The Tapas 9. The Scenic 17…
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, says: “We have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results”
Says Forensic scientist Dr Ronald Denny (not working on the case): “A cell is negligible – you can just about see it under a microscope. It’s a sample someone would leave behind with the touch of a finger. But when placed with certain biochemicals a small amount of DNA grows to a size that can be analysed”
“GP Kate and heart consultant Gerry” are “both 39”
THE SUN page 15: “Only 17 cells of DNA in hol car”
“Cops looking for Madeleine McCann are banking on ‘a smidgen’ of DNA evidence. Scientists have found just 17 cells on samples taken from a hire car rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and their holiday flat”
Says independent forensic expert Dr Ronald Denny: “It is not a hopeless task. If they have 17 cells then they can carry it off very effectively in Birmingham, one of the leading labs in the world”
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Mission Impossible – Forensic evidence too poor to solve mystery of Madeleine, say police”
But Dr Denny is telling two papers otherwise…
A source tells Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “It is highly unlikely they will find a DNA connection…If everybody refuses to make statements, which is perfectly possible, we will be left with our hands tied. This is a case which could hang by a thread for years and we may never be able to prove what actually happened to that child”
But what about Dr Denny. Why don’t they ask Dr Denny?
Says Dr Denny: “A person, or their possessions, have to be present for the cells to come off”
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “Maddy: Smidgen of DNA will work?”
Dr Denny is on the case, or not. But the “independent British expert” does have an opinion which is able to share with all of us
DAILY STAR page 9: “MADDIE: IT’S ALL DOWN TO 17 CELLS”
Dr Denny is talking to Star readers…
“Top cop in blast at private eyes” – Former deputy chief constable of Manchester Police John Stalker says of Metodo 3: “I’m not impressed with these people at all. I’d be very surprised if they get anywhere”
This is the same Stalker who delivered “MY VERDICT” to Express reader back in October
“There’s a world of difference in following a paper chase and finding a flesh-and-blood child”
Or a newspaper chase…
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 11: “Madeleine tests are ‘mission impossible’”
Says a source in 24 Horas: “The samples reportedly include microscopic spots of blood from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine went missing and ‘bodily fluids’ and hair from the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter’s disappearance. The samples are so small that, while it will not be impossible to find a DNA link between the car, apartment and Madeleine, it’s highly unlikely The tests being carried out are extremely complex”
But Dr Denny says…
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry’s friends have consistently said they are happy to be re-interviewed by police if necessary. Indeed, they are keen to help if it clears up any inconsistencies. They, like Gerry and Kate, have nothing to hide”
THE GUARDIAN and THE INDEPENDENT: “No Madeleine news today
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December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
The Metedo 3 aspect of this case is the most puzzling of all. I just googled private detectives in spain and found an awful lot of ex CID and Scotland yard ex pats who advertise their services. If I had lost something abroad, I would have gone to these chaps - who are Metedo 3 again?
December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
RE Methodo3
Theories I’ve heard:
- fraud money laundring
- fake reports, put Murat in the frame
- police informant
- setup to catch McCanns
Any more I’ve missed?
Make up your mind folks, can’t have it all
December 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Triggie, your statement, “You believe in all honesty that they’ve lost their daughter and truly believe that you might find her for them. But you know the truth and take their money anyway. Nope, I wouldn’t do that.”
Totally contradicts itself. You believe in all honesty that you can help them find her. But, you know she is dead and yet take their money anyway? Huh?
In other words, there colud be a
Case 1: You believe in all honesty that they’ve lost their daughter and you believe you might find her for them. So, you take their money and try.
It’s possible, anyway.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
1083 Trismegistus
I am ashamed to say it - but i think I would
December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
1077
Pilimary Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
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Cheer up, we here at Anorak spotted that long before Paulo Reis did!
December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
1079
Trismegistus Says:
‘A nice theory, that Metodo 3 are police informants. But why on this green earth would the McCanns have chosen a private investigator who was a police informant
The idea that they were (somehow) coerced or led to choose to spend the funds that they have complete control over to hire an investigative agency that was in league with the PJ… especially when that agency seems such an unlikely choice… seems quite unlikely.’
agreed, put like that it does. but that is not how i phrased it, it is only a theory anyway, that they work both sides because the law may oblige them to.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
1089
Totje
I’m so glad you’re still up …like me..!!! Tell me, is this a chat room??…Never been in chat room..
December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
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Rationalist Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
It might happen in the A&E but none of the Tapas 9 are A&E medics.
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RO’B is/was A&E
December 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
1082 Sam
That is a very good point!
December 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
943 Taybie the Saxon says (December 4th, 2007 at 9:54 pm):
“Tony Bennett 812: I should also have pointed to the fact that a person has to be dead a couple of hours before the scent of death is produced. So if as has been reported the dogs picked up the scent in the apartment then this is a possible indicator that M was kept there for some time after she died”.
REPLY: Another way of putting what you say - and I know about the ‘two-hour’ rule of course - is that Madeleine may have died much earlier on 3rd May than we think.
It was at 6pm, apparently, that Gerry McCann *cancelled* a baby-monitoring service for that evening (probably whilst playing in one of his three tennis matches/lessons that day!). I suspect that was in order to allow the clean-up operation and planning to take place undisturbed.
I think it is very possible that O’Brien removed Madeleine’s body to a safe place at around 9.00pm to 9.15pm (I don’t buy the ‘my child was vomiting’ line one little bit), hence Jane Tanner covering the possibility of him being sighted by someone esle in Praia da Luz by giving the police an early description and a deliberately low height i.e. a false description of his height (Russell O’Brien is reportedly quite tall, whereas egg-man-blanket-bundle-man was only 5′ 7″ - and Gerry McCann got very *very* upset when the Portuguese police suggested he was 5′ 9″ or 5′ 10″). If egg-man-blanket-bundle-man really was only 5′ 7″, O’Brien would be ruled out
December 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
Does anyone know the distinction between a nerd and a geek…because ..I fear I’m in danger of becoming one or the other….without the expertise…
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Mods and Admin
A nerd is a classics swot, and a geek is science, or maybe the other way around
December 4th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
1079
Trismegistus Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
1068 Chatelaine and Sam…
“A nice theory, that Metodo 3 are police informants. But why on this green earth would the McCanns have chosen a private investigator who was a police informant?
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I actually go on 2 different lines, though both of them are not explicable like so many other circumstances in this case:
1. Metedo3 is NOT specialized in finding missing persons; au contraire: so strange choice.
2. Metedo3 leads [apart from all the silly sightings] straight to implicating Murat, who might know more [allegedly]; remember Dr G’s ‘no comment” on the question whether he knew Murat …
1. might implicate they pay enormous amounts of money for doing “nothing” = laundry
2. might implicate they’ve been suggested to hire these people, not knowing that “police informants” could do their work
Don’t know … but always wonder why …
December 4th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
1056 Sam. That’s an interesting thought and could perhaps help us explain why the McCanns chose Metedo 3 even though they do not specialize (at all) in these types of investigations. Perhaps PI agencies which do specialize in criminal cases are required either by law or by habit to provide info to police? Perhaps Metedo 3 was chosen BECAUSE they have no obligations to police based on past cases? Or perhaps they were chosen also because they are in Spain where the Portugese authorities might have a harder time forcing Metedo 3 to co-operate with (foreign) police. (UNless I’m mistaken Metedo 3 is in Spain- that’s what I thought I remembered).
December 4th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
1072
Rationalist, me too, me too
December 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Trismegestus, it was posted earlier that Metedo 3 have already been had up for fraud once. I don’t know if that is true but I do like to throw the ******around to see if it hits any fans.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
1084 monstie bags…
Perish the thought. The British police are not FOREIGN!
More McCantics…
December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Sam
I just wrote a really long and boring post on Ritalin which has disappeared into the ether; perhaps it will turn up?
December 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
1018
Totje
Hello Totje!!
Can’t sleep…12.25 here!!
December 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
It is very odd that K and G have become so upset at being suspected. In the UK, the police ALWAYS suspect and try to rule out the parents and close relatives first - statistically, they are the most likely culprits - i guess that means that the excellent British police are in fact bunglers.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
1028
sam Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
1010
chenier Says:
‘The effects on someone who does not have ahdh are very different; it’s generally accepted that people do become addicted to it. It should mention this in the documentation which accompanies the medication…’
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oh i see, hang on, never bothered to read that, no, it doesn’t say that, only says it ’scontraindicated if they are (strangely enough this refers to a child) are abusing or dependant on alchohol or drugs. just noticed most of the whole things written for ‘your child’, i forgot, adhd does not exist in adults in the u.k.
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Right; you must find that really helpful. I wish I could do that emoticon with rolling eyeballs…
There was a fuss a while back about Scottish students using it to help them revise;
‘STUDENTS at St Andrews University are risking their lives by taking a powerful brain “steroid” to get through exams, it was claimed yesterday.
Insiders at the university attended by Prince William, claim Ritalin - used to calm hyperactive children - is being taken in high doses to fuel all-night cramming sessions.
According to the student newspaper The Saint, students are crushing tablets, which cost £2 each, and inhaling, snorting or injecting them. ‘
I’m far from convinced that this was actually true, student newspapers being what they are, but it has, apparently, happened in the US.
Medscape has this:
‘Misuse or abuse of methylphenidate may result in serious (possibly fatal) heart and blood pressure problems.
Methylphenidate should be given cautiously to emotionally unstable patients, especially if there is a history of alcohol or drug abuse. These patients may be more likely to unnecessarily increase their doses or take this medication too often. Long-term overuse of this medication may lead to reduced drug effect, drug dependence, and abnormal behavior.
Take this medication only by mouth. Serious mental/mood changes (e.g., psychosis) may occur, especially if this drug is abused.
If methylphenidate must be stopped, it should be stopped gradually over time. Follow your doctor’s instructions on how to gradually lower the dose. In some patients, long-term monitoring may be required after the medication is stopped. ‘
Which gets us finally back to the point I was trying to make, that it’s a drug which can be abused. People taking it for medical reasons are an entirely different kettle of fish…
December 4th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
1074 monstie bags…
“Metedo 3 must realise that M is not ever going to be found and are happily going along for the ride - all the way to the bank of course. Who wouldn’t?”
Well I wouldn’t.
Case 1:
You believe in all honesty that they’ve lost their daughter and truly believe that you might find her for them. But you know the truth and take their money anyway. Nope, I wouldn’t do that.
Case 2:
You know that they know that she will never be found, but want to make it look as if they are still looking for her, so you take their money or agree to launder it. Nope, I wouldn’t do that either.
Any other scenarios?
December 4th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
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Ariel Says
Highly suspicious I think, Metedo 3 are specialists in corporate fraud. Your child is missing - you get in a private FRAUD agency!
yes, there was that too. there’s all sorts of connections that might not be connections and it gets confusing afterawhile and its easy to make connections where none are and to miss the ones that are. i think if they set up the fund after knowing that maddie was or is dead then that would constitute fraud.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
1040
Hi Châtelaine,
You’re right. Nathalie and Stacy.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Ariel, sorry..
for me was hard to decide between Gerry Mccann and Gordon Brown
December 4th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
1068 Chatelaine and Sam…
A nice theory, that Metodo 3 are police informants. But why on this green earth would the McCanns have chosen a private investigator who was a police informant?
The idea that they were (somehow) coerced or led to choose to spend the funds that they have complete control over to hire an investigative agency that was in league with the PJ… especially when that agency seems such an unlikely choice… seems quite unlikely.
If it was a setup, wouldn’t they have done the setup with a more plausible agency? one that had, for instance, done some previous work with missing persons and not just corporate financial fraud?
More McCantics, methinks…
December 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
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Tinsel Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Perhaps the McCs are vacationing while they still can?
G said on his blog that there were no restrictions on their movements.
But in the future?
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No restrictions? Which blog? I understood they were allowed to go back to the U.K. on the condition that they would stay at their house, move for no more than 5 days and not without noticing authorities.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
More from Paulo Reis blog
McCanns accuse Portuguese police of corruption
The official site Helping to Find Madeleine has proposed a day of pray for tomorrow, December 3, to ask for the “end to the corruption that has occurred in the police investigation” of Madeleine’s disappearance. This is not the first time accusations are made against Portuguese police. Since Gerry and Kate realized investigators were not convinced by their story of kidnapping, friends and family started a smear campaign, later concentrated on the main investigator, Gonçalo Amaral, accused of being just a drunken hapless plod, by the British Media. The day before Gerry and Kate were named suspects, they called the editor of News of the World and gave an interview (later, deleted from their website) where they accused Portuguese police of framing them and justified that attitude with the fact that PJ was running out of budget and so they had to close the case. Same accusations were made on a interview with the Daily Mirror and other newspapers.
December 4th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Perhaps the McCs are vacationing while they still can?
G said on his blog that there were no restrictions on their movements.
But in the future?
December 4th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
1064 Anca
I think we should all vote but enter a different option ( there is a space for that) such as .. ..I don’t know ….for example…..Dennis Neilson, Ian Brady, Robert black? All Scottish and all as suitable under the circumstances I would have thought
December 4th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Metedo 3 must realise that M is not ever going to be found and are happily going along for the ride - all the way to the bank of course. Who wouldn’t?