Madeleine McCann: The Scenic 17, Dr Denny Says And DNA
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS page 21: “New DNA tests could unlock the mystery of lost Madeleine”
More DNA tests at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham And this after the DNA tests proved inconclusive…
“Seventeen human cells could provide a major breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann mystery…The DNA samples are being examined by scientists in Britain and Portuguese detectives believe the evidence could unlock an investigation which is now in its eighth month”
The Tapas 7. The Tapas 9. The Scenic 17…
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, says: “We have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results”
Says Forensic scientist Dr Ronald Denny (not working on the case): “A cell is negligible – you can just about see it under a microscope. It’s a sample someone would leave behind with the touch of a finger. But when placed with certain biochemicals a small amount of DNA grows to a size that can be analysed”
“GP Kate and heart consultant Gerry” are “both 39”
THE SUN page 15: “Only 17 cells of DNA in hol car”
“Cops looking for Madeleine McCann are banking on ‘a smidgen’ of DNA evidence. Scientists have found just 17 cells on samples taken from a hire car rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and their holiday flat”
Says independent forensic expert Dr Ronald Denny: “It is not a hopeless task. If they have 17 cells then they can carry it off very effectively in Birmingham, one of the leading labs in the world”
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Mission Impossible – Forensic evidence too poor to solve mystery of Madeleine, say police”
But Dr Denny is telling two papers otherwise…
A source tells Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “It is highly unlikely they will find a DNA connection…If everybody refuses to make statements, which is perfectly possible, we will be left with our hands tied. This is a case which could hang by a thread for years and we may never be able to prove what actually happened to that child”
But what about Dr Denny. Why don’t they ask Dr Denny?
Says Dr Denny: “A person, or their possessions, have to be present for the cells to come off”
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “Maddy: Smidgen of DNA will work?”
Dr Denny is on the case, or not. But the “independent British expert” does have an opinion which is able to share with all of us
DAILY STAR page 9: “MADDIE: IT’S ALL DOWN TO 17 CELLS”
Dr Denny is talking to Star readers…
“Top cop in blast at private eyes” – Former deputy chief constable of Manchester Police John Stalker says of Metodo 3: “I’m not impressed with these people at all. I’d be very surprised if they get anywhere”
This is the same Stalker who delivered “MY VERDICT” to Express reader back in October
“There’s a world of difference in following a paper chase and finding a flesh-and-blood child”
Or a newspaper chase…
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 11: “Madeleine tests are ‘mission impossible’”
Says a source in 24 Horas: “The samples reportedly include microscopic spots of blood from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine went missing and ‘bodily fluids’ and hair from the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter’s disappearance. The samples are so small that, while it will not be impossible to find a DNA link between the car, apartment and Madeleine, it’s highly unlikely The tests being carried out are extremely complex”
But Dr Denny says…
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry’s friends have consistently said they are happy to be re-interviewed by police if necessary. Indeed, they are keen to help if it clears up any inconsistencies. They, like Gerry and Kate, have nothing to hide”
THE GUARDIAN and THE INDEPENDENT: “No Madeleine news today
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December 4th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
439
Ade , the letter was handed to the AMsterdam police, who sent it (allegedly/according to the paper) to Portugal after examinating it.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Ferdinand - you’re quite right. That’s why we miss you so much.
Without you it’s much harder to release a bit of steam… I think you are doing a very important job in this forum and should be protected.
I should start turning into a pro-McCann to help you out and make it a bit more balanced.
Let me try…. hummmm….. hummmmm…. sorry can’t do it.
You’re on your own.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
430 Salomon ES
You’re right. I guess there’s plenty of Dutch people familiar with the previous tip-off to that paper and it caused some nutter to send a similar type of letter. Wasn’t it the style of the letter that alerted suspicions though? I thought the authorities said it was in the same handwriting etc. as the first one.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
415
Rationalist,
Well you spoiled little brat! I thought we agreed on M. to be the preferred suspect?
Nice question though!
December 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
stevo/rationalist 424/427
i wonder if the telegraf has kept the letter
good old-fashioned fingerprints could be handy
after all their high tech arrogance it would be ironic for them to be nailed by an old-fashioned fingerprint!
excellent sport
rippingly good fun
December 4th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
I agree, but it means we need someone presenting the case for the defendent, not telling the ‘prosecutor’ to play both roles and not just saying they are innocent.
A devils advocate in fact. Most pro-McCanners simply dont come up with good debating points or good argument (some do, most dont).
They usually tells us how horrid we are to consider the possibilities!
December 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
227 Rosemary
Thanks for the curtain link, Rosemary. The washing of the curtains is one of the more bizarre aspects of this case. If Madeleine did die in the Apt, it would obviously have happened much earlier than ‘the window of opportunity’ time scale, unless that merely covered the removal of a dead body, hence the stange way of carrying the child, as supposedly recollected by Jane Tanner.
I remember a long while back, a blogger (can’t remember who) speculated that somebody may have tried to perform a tracheotomy on Madeleine, which may have accounted for so much blood…
December 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Stevo
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20070608/ai_n19294839
This is interesting too..
December 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
432
Ferdinand
True…and good point.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Stevo 425 - I totally agree with you.
Of course Gerry didn’t say “I made that phone call exactly 3.89 Km from PDL”. It’s not like the man carries google earth on his mobile phone!!!
He was asked where he was when he made the call and possibly said in Café X or in Y beach or something like that.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
426
Ian
I think the law has defined murder as 1st degree, 2nd degree etc. but we all as people have differing opinions on this stuff. For example, many who don’t believe in the death penalty will say they think that child killers should be put to death. Isn’t it all about degrees anyway? For me in this case, if the McCanns are proven to have covered up the death of Madeleine - given their campaigning and lies, I think the aspect of how she died seems overshadowed by their escapades and desire to not be found guilty of anything. To me that is worse than premeditation.
I say that also because premeditated killings are not all “bad”…are they? If one mafia gangster murders another - Joe Public isn’t bothered one iota. That means one less gangster on the street. I’ve always echoed your posts and sometimes I wonder if you’re a long lost twin or something. I’m outraged by the way the McCanns do not even acknowledge that their action (alleged action) caused Madeleine to disappear. In this case I find it worse than a premeditated murder (and it might still be proven to be that as well!).
December 4th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
410 Ian Says:
“There really isnt any point not considering all possibilities. The innocent explanation, well, ok, lets suppose it is innocent. There, Considered it. Where are we now?
Why would you need to spend any more time on the innocent explanation than that?”
I just want to say, we are here playing detective based on newspaper articles. Thats OK, but if nobody plays the role of the defendant, or his lawyer, then the game is unrealistic.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
421 clouseau
ah the wonderful mr curtis…
December 4th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Rationalist & Stevo
About the letter from Amsterdam:
Frankly I think the earlier visit by the McCanns is more likely to have triggered some nutter in Amsterdam (believe me the place is full of them) or even a creative student to write the letter.
I don’t think that the mcCanns would risk bringing yet another player into this whole affair by having to ask them to write a letter etc. The gain from that for the mcCanns was limited, but the risk of being caught was too high.
Doesn’t make sense IMO.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Stevo
Letter sent to Dutch newspaper Telegraaf…after visit to Amsterdam?????
December 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
To go back onto my gratitude thing.
My builder tells me I am morphing into an Amish.
But when it comes down to who needs to be thanked I agree with Ade and Stevo, Amaral needs to be thanked by the entire team. In my humble opinion. Well relatively humble anyway. Hopefully by the time the morph is complete I might even be completely humble.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
424
Rationalist
I know…but they spent most of the 7th in Amsterdam.
Are you thinking what I’m thinking? That their trip to Amsterdam was only a few days before the anonymous letter arrived at De Telegraaf?
December 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
410 Stevo.
Doing something immoral or illegal that causes or results in accidental death would be something to hide.
The problem is, once it has been concealed, a death is suspicious as it might have been murder. Covering up a death is nowhere near as bad as intending to kill (is my view).
Thats not to say that it is not WRONG and should be punished - to use it to generate money and ‘fame’ is exacerbates the crime.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
414
Ferdinand
I don’t know if Gerry did “insist” it was 4km. He might not even have said a distance. The distance might be because the PJ simply asked “where did you make that call to Mr O’Brien?”
In other words, Gerry may not have thought anything and simply shot himself in the foot unwittingly.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Stevo
McCanns flew from Berlin to Amsterdam 6th June…
December 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
414 ferdinand
you missed the point
the pj didn’t tell them they were monitoring their phone calls fore quite some time
i seem to remember the mcconns being very angry when they found out and then suddenly being careful about what they said on the phone
excellent fun
December 4th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Stevo - To premeditate the murder of your own child has to be worse surely?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Gerry the towel and the poo poo
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ce4W4Lf-M&feature=related
December 4th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Because Stevo,GM was where he said he was,and O’B was 25 clicks from him,simple really.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
411
Ade Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
408 chenier
“Be fair; after all, we know the 9 are really not good at distances….”
and we’re not even sure that it wasn’t 10
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Or possibly 17, for the more ‘communicating in code’ minded amongst us.
I imagine the McCanns having to take part in an identity parade per the Mail has brought a few smiles to the face of Amaral…
December 4th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
415
Rationalist
WOW! June 7 they were in Amsterdam.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
402
It’s the PJ that are interested for reasons not known to us. Therefore we are interested.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
409 Ian
I considered an innocent explanation right back in May…for a millisecond. At least Mr Drew Peterson over here - the ex-cop who is a suspect in his wife’s disappearance, is acknowledging he’s suspect number 1 and the police are right to investigate him. He’s not saying anything is ludicrous. Peterson may be guilty but right now he looks a lot better liar than Gerry and I genuinely can’t make my mind up either way with him.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Stevo
What date were they in Amsterdam?
December 4th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
404 Stevo Says:
“Because as per usual, anything Gerry says has conflicts surrounding it. Why tell the PJ 4km if their records say 25km?”
IIWG, I would just say “Oh, you mean THAT call…”
Put it the other way around: Why should Gerry insist that he were 4km away if he knows it is wrong and he knows that they know. He must have heart about tracing mobile phone calls before.