Madeleine McCann: The Scenic 17, Dr Denny Says And DNA
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS page 21: “New DNA tests could unlock the mystery of lost Madeleine”
More DNA tests at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham And this after the DNA tests proved inconclusive…
“Seventeen human cells could provide a major breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann mystery…The DNA samples are being examined by scientists in Britain and Portuguese detectives believe the evidence could unlock an investigation which is now in its eighth month”
The Tapas 7. The Tapas 9. The Scenic 17…
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, says: “We have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results”
Says Forensic scientist Dr Ronald Denny (not working on the case): “A cell is negligible – you can just about see it under a microscope. It’s a sample someone would leave behind with the touch of a finger. But when placed with certain biochemicals a small amount of DNA grows to a size that can be analysed”
“GP Kate and heart consultant Gerry” are “both 39”
THE SUN page 15: “Only 17 cells of DNA in hol car”
“Cops looking for Madeleine McCann are banking on ‘a smidgen’ of DNA evidence. Scientists have found just 17 cells on samples taken from a hire car rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and their holiday flat”
Says independent forensic expert Dr Ronald Denny: “It is not a hopeless task. If they have 17 cells then they can carry it off very effectively in Birmingham, one of the leading labs in the world”
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Mission Impossible – Forensic evidence too poor to solve mystery of Madeleine, say police”
But Dr Denny is telling two papers otherwise…
A source tells Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “It is highly unlikely they will find a DNA connection…If everybody refuses to make statements, which is perfectly possible, we will be left with our hands tied. This is a case which could hang by a thread for years and we may never be able to prove what actually happened to that child”
But what about Dr Denny. Why don’t they ask Dr Denny?
Says Dr Denny: “A person, or their possessions, have to be present for the cells to come off”
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “Maddy: Smidgen of DNA will work?”
Dr Denny is on the case, or not. But the “independent British expert” does have an opinion which is able to share with all of us
DAILY STAR page 9: “MADDIE: IT’S ALL DOWN TO 17 CELLS”
Dr Denny is talking to Star readers…
“Top cop in blast at private eyes” – Former deputy chief constable of Manchester Police John Stalker says of Metodo 3: “I’m not impressed with these people at all. I’d be very surprised if they get anywhere”
This is the same Stalker who delivered “MY VERDICT” to Express reader back in October
“There’s a world of difference in following a paper chase and finding a flesh-and-blood child”
Or a newspaper chase…
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 11: “Madeleine tests are ‘mission impossible’”
Says a source in 24 Horas: “The samples reportedly include microscopic spots of blood from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine went missing and ‘bodily fluids’ and hair from the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter’s disappearance. The samples are so small that, while it will not be impossible to find a DNA link between the car, apartment and Madeleine, it’s highly unlikely The tests being carried out are extremely complex”
But Dr Denny says…
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry’s friends have consistently said they are happy to be re-interviewed by police if necessary. Indeed, they are keen to help if it clears up any inconsistencies. They, like Gerry and Kate, have nothing to hide”
THE GUARDIAN and THE INDEPENDENT: “No Madeleine news today
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December 4th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
What kind of killing?
IMO, the degree to which one will go to cover up a crime is directly proportional to the degree of the crime.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
489 Stevo
Sorry, I wasn’t clear.
I’m trying to answer your question “which is worse”
By accident I meant it could be sedation or violence on the spur of the moment also.
In other words a bad decision or irresponsible act, but not with the intention of killing.
Wrong most definitely, but worse than a premeditated murder, not to me.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
494 Totje
I just right clicked that page and looked at its properties.
I got this:
Modified Monday, May 14, 2007 9:39:15 PM
December 4th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
497
brandon flours Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
“They will do anything necessary if it helps them move on and be eliminated as suspects.”
not finding their daughter then
yeah they’ve done anything BUT try and do that!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
“They will do anything necessary if it helps them move on and be eliminated as suspects.”
not finding their daughter then
December 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
I also think if kate had killed Maddie for whatever reason and it whatever way, had she fessed up she would have got off on diminished responsibility at the time. Twins aged 2, she could have post natal depression etc. She hasnt gone back to work anyway, so the career thing isnt an issue, and I dont see that it would affect Gerrys career if it happened that way
December 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
491 just_me
Interesting and I just picked up on something else you said…
The kids went back to the creche….
I’ve always thought M died early in the afternoon. Could the twins AND one of the other T7 kids gone along with the twins as “Madeleine”? Interesting. It could be that this explains why the pool photo was vital to the overall alibi.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
486 Stevo
483 Totje
It’s been on there like that for months
***********
1. The “properties” (eigenschappen = dutch) of that page say its altered 01-12-2007. What’s altered?
2. It says something about the colomba and a spot on her leg. When was that published, it makes a difference regarding “getting rid of the girl after publishing the distinct mark”.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
470
Stevo
I can’t believe they would cover up an accident….why? Doctor’s kids can have accidents…and it’s possible that even if the parent were medically trained they might not be able to save their own child…but why would you cover that up?
The only thing I can think of is sedating children and someone ODing and the parent not being around….then, I can imagine a scenario for cover-up…autopsies etc….careers etc…
allegedly …
December 4th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
487 Ade and delboy
Yeah, Wearside Jack - I got it wrong and called him Geordie. I know in the north east they’re passionate about the detail and a Geordie is from Newcastle and nowhere near the River Wear…my mistake.
Please don’t tell me it’ll take 25 years of forensics to nail Madeleine’s killer/abductor.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Stevo - Im pretty sure the twins would know nothing. I think they are kept well away from any talk about what happened, and probably why they were put back in the creche, so they didnt overhear anything. Young children are encouraged to speak through role play. ( my son at age 6 was interviewed in a safe house with cameras everywhere, and encouraged to use models and toys to show what happened to my daughter) at age 2 i guess the twins are more likely to role play than actually speak about what happened if they had seen anything. I am also assuming the abductor is a hoax. If the PJ relly believed in abduction I think they would certainly have wanted to try to speak to the twins about it although due to their age, I think its a parental decision. I had to give my permission for my son to be interviewed and he had to be seen to be happy doing so or the whole thing would have been stopped at the first sign of distress.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
PJ state quite clearly born in Leicester another Amsterdam twin theory kicked into touch,still a missing persons inquiry nothing more nothing less.That is unless of course the PJ invented the page and its contents.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
480 Anonymousthe1st
I think that an accident is less likely for the same reason you wouldn’t leave kids alone. In other words, an accidental death/cover up is goofy. It makes no sense. We explore this and keep coming to the realisation that you’d only want to cover something up if you did wrong in the eyes of the law. An accidental death isn’t wrong at all. Sedating your kids is wrong. Physical violence towards them is wrong. Your kid ingesting recreational drugs is wrong. Apart from things like that, I can’t truly see how an accident warrants cover up.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
482,rationalist…yep the very same……..parson the racist…..
December 4th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
444 stevo
just been reading about wearside jack…
http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/wearside.htm
it took over 25 years to get him…
December 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
483
Totje
It’s been on there like that for months.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
SteveT Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
473
Lone Pigeon
Please note that I have exclusive rites on all merchandising on this site! Give me 10% and I will turn a Murat eye.
HAHAHAHAHAHA 8 ) very good
December 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
458 just_me
I know how you feel about this and your insight is invaluable when we debate in here.
I’m also curious why the PJ didn’t interview the twins. At over 2, and clearly with a decent enough vocabulary, why weren’t they asked a few questions? You know what kids are like…they reveal ALL.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Rationalist/Stevo/Dave
I wonder about the description on the missing persons page. See the description :
“right eye: green with a brown spot on the iris” and “She has a small brown spot on her left leg”.
When was this page added and when the description?
December 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
477
Delboy
Sardines???? Whaa???….I love grilled sardines…yum….who is Parsons?…not another radio talk kook?….Do you mean the author of that odious rant in some rag a while ago posted on here?
December 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
467 LORCANDAY
Thats an inteeligent well thought through post. I’m impressed.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Stevo 410
I’m still with accidental (Occam’s Razor and all that).
Premeditated begs the question of motivation and is just too complicated (and badly executed given how things are starting to unravel).
The ’simplest’ hypothesys;
Maddie is difficult to handle, Kate loses temper in the afternoon, an accident happens.
Whether we like them and their friends or not, these are intelligent people with technical knowledge of dead bodies and police investigative techniques. So they come up with a plan, bring in close friends for help. Perhaps friends in their debt (don’t know why … proffesional, dirt, scandal, who knows). Gerry’s still a very confident man, someone who can take people ‘with him’. He convinces them it will work.
They make some mistakes (phones, blood/hair, lack of consistent timelines) because they’re acting on the spur of the moment and they’re not ‘experts’.
They pull in favours early (not the freemason/common purpose stuff), he’s a networker and knows lots of people, particularly in the media and government. There’s a wave of sympathy (let’s face it 99% of the country was ‘with them’ at the beginning. Even Brown (who’s lost a child) gets sympathetic, plus he’s an ambitious politician waiting for the top job, it won’t do any harm in the polls if seen as ‘present’ in an unprecedented media hurricane he thinks. Things start to unravel, but because of the secrecy laws people aren’t sure. The ’supporters’ are caught out. They try to hold the line despite doubts.
Now we reach a tipping point as the evidence is methodically and discreetly gathered by the PJ……
Is this worse than premeditated?
Actually I don’t think so, as there was no cold-blooded murder, just a cold-blooded cover up.
That’s cynical and selfish in my eyes, not as evil as planning to kill your own child.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
473
Lone Pigeon
Please note that I have exclusive rites on all merchandising on this site! Give me 10% and I will turn a Murat eye.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Totje
If I put myself in the head-space of someone wanting to get rid of a body…that is exactly what I would do…hiding a body where sniffer dogs could detect something…??? Why? Autopsies …etc etc…plus they can no doubt detect when soil has been disturbed recently….
December 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
rationalist…full of sardines apparently……ask tony parsons!
December 4th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
466 May
Another reason I asked it was because in the Huntley case, Maxine Carr clearly obstructed the course of justice by not revealing what she knew about her boyfriend. If so, perhaps the police would have arrested Huntley sooner and would maybe have found the bodies earlier and been able to establish the cause of death. In my eyes, Carr should be in jail for life as well as that bastard Huntley. She in effect covered up evidence.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/htm/Ingles/missing_person/madeleine.htm
December 4th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Maria
No sharks very rare mainland Portugal…..
December 4th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
465
i know what you did last easter Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
lone pigeon mc cant
if you ever get
the killers
the pigeon detectives
the kaiser chiefs
or mika
let me know
I can get Killers/Kaisers/mika - They’re on our labels.
Pigeon detectives are supporting the kaisers on Dec 15th at earls court- I might be able to rustle up two tix for that
December 4th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
464 Maria
461 Rationalist
Ocean, my fear too IF she’s killed. Easier then burrying and lesser chance to find the body.