Madeleine McCann: The Scenic 17, Dr Denny Says And DNA
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS page 21: “New DNA tests could unlock the mystery of lost Madeleine”
More DNA tests at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham And this after the DNA tests proved inconclusive…
“Seventeen human cells could provide a major breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann mystery…The DNA samples are being examined by scientists in Britain and Portuguese detectives believe the evidence could unlock an investigation which is now in its eighth month”
The Tapas 7. The Tapas 9. The Scenic 17…
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, says: “We have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results”
Says Forensic scientist Dr Ronald Denny (not working on the case): “A cell is negligible – you can just about see it under a microscope. It’s a sample someone would leave behind with the touch of a finger. But when placed with certain biochemicals a small amount of DNA grows to a size that can be analysed”
“GP Kate and heart consultant Gerry” are “both 39”
THE SUN page 15: “Only 17 cells of DNA in hol car”
“Cops looking for Madeleine McCann are banking on ‘a smidgen’ of DNA evidence. Scientists have found just 17 cells on samples taken from a hire car rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and their holiday flat”
Says independent forensic expert Dr Ronald Denny: “It is not a hopeless task. If they have 17 cells then they can carry it off very effectively in Birmingham, one of the leading labs in the world”
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Mission Impossible – Forensic evidence too poor to solve mystery of Madeleine, say police”
But Dr Denny is telling two papers otherwise…
A source tells Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “It is highly unlikely they will find a DNA connection…If everybody refuses to make statements, which is perfectly possible, we will be left with our hands tied. This is a case which could hang by a thread for years and we may never be able to prove what actually happened to that child”
But what about Dr Denny. Why don’t they ask Dr Denny?
Says Dr Denny: “A person, or their possessions, have to be present for the cells to come off”
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “Maddy: Smidgen of DNA will work?”
Dr Denny is on the case, or not. But the “independent British expert” does have an opinion which is able to share with all of us
DAILY STAR page 9: “MADDIE: IT’S ALL DOWN TO 17 CELLS”
Dr Denny is talking to Star readers…
“Top cop in blast at private eyes” – Former deputy chief constable of Manchester Police John Stalker says of Metodo 3: “I’m not impressed with these people at all. I’d be very surprised if they get anywhere”
This is the same Stalker who delivered “MY VERDICT” to Express reader back in October
“There’s a world of difference in following a paper chase and finding a flesh-and-blood child”
Or a newspaper chase…
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 11: “Madeleine tests are ‘mission impossible’”
Says a source in 24 Horas: “The samples reportedly include microscopic spots of blood from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine went missing and ‘bodily fluids’ and hair from the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter’s disappearance. The samples are so small that, while it will not be impossible to find a DNA link between the car, apartment and Madeleine, it’s highly unlikely The tests being carried out are extremely complex”
But Dr Denny says…
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry’s friends have consistently said they are happy to be re-interviewed by police if necessary. Indeed, they are keen to help if it clears up any inconsistencies. They, like Gerry and Kate, have nothing to hide”
THE GUARDIAN and THE INDEPENDENT: “No Madeleine news today
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December 4th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
514
Stevo Says:
506
Totje
Sorry…I’m not following your line of reasoning about the coloboma?
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I’ll try to explain my thoughts.
The McCanns were accused of causing the death of their daughter by publishing pulling attention of the distinct mark = the colomba.
In fact this knowledge was already available for everyone who wanted to know, just by looking at the missing persons page.
I can imagine IF there was an abduction, the purpetrator was very well known in PDL/Portugal and might have been watching the http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/. site.
Then s/he looked at the girl, “d*mn she’s easy to recognise when somebody notices that sign, I have to get rid of her before anybody finds out about it”.
Remember how everybody (in a hindsight) was raving about how wrong it was of the parents to publish the mark?
What I’m trying to point out is that this is another example of how people can look at things/facts and all see different things, so draw different conclusions.
That’s all, It just made me wondering…. I guess it’s not really important.
Just a theorie, all alleged, assuming, guessing whatever IMO.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
522
or maybe the body was stashed under the sofa.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
has Tanner actually stated when she last saw Maddie alive?
December 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
524
dead right.
they’re either all involved or theyre innocent.
otherwise someone would have grassed.
the key to the whole thing is what bonds the tapas.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
the earlier than suggested time of accident etc which stevo and others have been suggesting i think is the only way,kate saying bed in perfect condition…why because madeline had never been in it…cuddle cat on shelf instead of on bed,because she didnt need it,if something had happened in the 2-2,30 time line with twins still awake for part of it ,leaves to little time,as we do know that kate and gerry changed ,gerry i guesss showered after 3 tennis lessons,………
December 4th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
maybe that’s why the experts follow the evidence…..
December 4th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
At the very least, some form of domestic violence would be the cause of a massive cover-up. Baby Grace/Riley comes to mind. In the Maddie case, the PJ have homicide detectives on the case.
At the very worst, paedophilia could be the cause of a massive cover-up. JonBenet Ramsey comes to mind. PJ have only said they are investigating rumours of swinging.
Somewhere in the middle is a business deal gone drastically bad. Anyone see The Godfather?
December 4th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
509
Stevo
Just can’t picture the accident scenario being worth the cover-up….It seems to me, you either have to go with the kidnap scenario…or you have to go with cover-up of something more than an accident …it would have to be something that would seriously implicate the parent(s)….if it was an act of violence say on the part of one of the parents…why would a friend be prepared to risk their own reputation and integrity to aid in the cover-up of something so serious? Unless they didn’t know the truth…but by now they would squeal no? And the whole crew going along with the campaign afterwards.?..which would add fraud to a cover-up!
To me, to my amateurish eyes…the child in the photos looks happy and perfectly normal…the twins look happy and normal…the three of them look like biological siblings to me, however they were conceived…I don’t get it!!!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
517
Stevo Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
515
monstie bags
It’s also been reported that Kate didn’t rush back at all. It’s been said she shouted from the balcony.
its also been reported that kate wouldn’t leave the sofa where the blood was found underneath
December 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Maybe Kate had that horrible feeling that they might have forgotten something in the rush to tidy the scene and felt that paralysing inability to leave the flat because she wanted to see what would be found when the friends and later the police entered.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
517
Stevo Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
515
monstie bags
It’s also been reported that Kate didn’t rush back at all. It’s been said she shouted from the balcony.
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Yes, but she said herself that she ran back to the group. It was in one of her magazine interviews. That’s why they put it at the beginning of the Panorama report, I guess.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
you better do to sleep am going out in half an hour.
b*astards
December 4th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
507 pat
Or put Madeleine “to sleep” after an accident in some kind of bizarre euthenasia type of situation where Kate felt she put Madeleine out of misery. I think we’re dealing with a lot of psychological issues in this case.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
pat me too
December 4th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
515
monstie bags
It’s also been reported that Kate didn’t rush back at all. It’s been said she shouted from the balcony.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
512
Ferdinand
C’mon Ferdinand…everyone knows kids aren’t arguidos…they’d be arguidettes!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
It was reported that Kate’s words to Gerry when she first came back to the tapas bar was ‘We’ve let her down’. what exactly did she mean by that? Surely this phrase suggests that G and K were responsible for something going wrong?
December 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
506
Totje
Sorry…I’m not following your line of reasoning about the coloboma?
December 4th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
512
Ferdinand, GREAT!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
484 Stevo Says:
“I’m also curious why the PJ didn’t interview the twins.”
… and if they don’t answer they become arguidos!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
OK gotta go folks.
Happy sleuthing….
December 4th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
imo-surmising musings
December 4th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
493 Rationalist
I agree - a normal accident isn’t worth the hassle. But an accident followed by some kind of botched first aid might be.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I think that the only reason there would be a cover up is if gerry was the one who had done something wrong. I think I have said before on this forum that IMO Kate looks scared of him - he is a control freak and comes across as aggressive and peevish. He has a very overinflated idea of his own importance and I wonder what goes on behind closed doors after the 15 bottles of wine have been drunk.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
am thinking maybe Madeleine was having one of her crying moments and just would not shut up and Kate suffocated her in a fit of exasperated rage.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
499
Stevo Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
494 Totje
I just right clicked that page and looked at its properties.
I got this:
Modified Monday, May 14, 2007 9:39:15 PM
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Stevo thanks, thats weird, Windows Vista and or Internet explorer. Don’t know, don’t care. To technical for me.
BUT this means the colomba and spot thing WAS already published and accessable for people who might be interested, BEFORE GM & KM released the picture/details.
December 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
456 Maria
You asked whether, as doctors, the McCanns could have made it look like an innocent accident …..instead of the nightmare of trying to cover it up….?
No, they could not have done this if there were substances in the child’s body that could be elicited at post mortem - even doctors can’t do that. Do you remember, bodies of Shipman’s victims were exhumed and found still to have evidence of morphine etc?
There could have been injuries also that would have been impossible to camouflage.
I think you are somewhat arguing against your own case. IF they did harm Madeleine accidentally, there must have been something very incriminating for them to go to such lengths to hide the body. As you indicated, almost anything would have been better than to have to take the route of hiding a body. It seems unlikely to me that the McCanns would have killed M deliberately as there would have been much better ways to go about it than this without raising such suspicions. But if they did hide the body (and I reiterate IF), then what on earth was going on that would necessitate such an action?
I was watching a video of Madeleine riding her tricycle - she looked like a happy loved little girl - although appearances can be deceptive. But it reinforced my view that, if her parents are in any way guilty, they did not do it deliberately - but, as I keep repeating, there are too many things that don’t add up.
Maria, could you please tell me - why do you personally think that Kate and Gerry went out leaving the three children in a dark UNLOCKED flat? Do you agree that this is in itself child abuse? And why do you think that they exhibited such unusual behaviour in the days following her disappearance - playing tennis, jogging etc? I know someone suggested that even grieivng people need exercise, and this is true, but you just wouldn’t feel like it, would you? Your thoughts?
December 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
425 Stevo Says:
“because the PJ simply asked “where did you make that call to Mr O’Brien?”
In other words, Gerry may not have thought anything and simply shot himself in the foot unwittingly.”
Now if you are asked about a mobile phone call you made three months ago, and you get it wrong, that does not sound like damning evidence against you.
And what do you think about that towel? You move the body but forget the towel? Would be a good punchline though….
December 4th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
502 - Delboy - please dont get me started on that!
December 4th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
The punishment in the uk is shit anyway,you are penalised more for being a good citizen who drives five miles an hour over the speed limit or have a break bulb out on you car, if the mccanns are guilty they will be out in a couple of years anyway,good behaviour and all,look at those two wankers that killed little jamie bulger,new identities new homes better life in all,but the bulger family broke up and lost everything, and them kids new damn well what they were doing,there is a website you can view and it gives info on there that the police or the tabloids wouldnt give out….bastards the lot of them…….the law looks after the guilty in united fucking kingdom…………