Madeleine McCann: Sangria Seven, Carolina Santos And Back To Portugal
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE – POLICE TO CALL McCANNS BACK – They want parents and Tapas 9 friends for new quiz in Portugal”
“Police want Kate and Gerry McCann to return to Portugal before Christmas for fresh interrogations over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine” – Might it be all over by Christmas?
“The couple could be forced into a confrontation with witnesses or be made to appear in an identity parade” – An ID parade… To what ends? To see if they truly are Kate and Gerry McCann, the country’s most photographed couple?
First Portuguese police are heading to the UK to sit in on interviews between British police and the “Tapas 9”
Says a “source close to the case” in Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha: “When the operations begin on British soil we will be in a position to determine if it is necessary to bring people to Portugal. It may be necessary to do some identifications or to organise confrontations with witnesses”
Or may not be: “POLICE MAY OR MAY NOT CALL McCanns back” – read all about it…
Says Portuguese newspaper, 24 Horas: “The McCanns are not going to escape a new police interrogation”
THE SUN page 21: “HUNT FOR ‘MADDIE DOUBLE’ SNATCHER”
Blue-eyed Carolina Santos is a “Madeleine McCann lookalike”. She is a young girl with brown hair, a broad nose, olive complexion and blue eyes. Her parents, Able and Lina, say a Moroccan-looking man tried to snatch her at their café in Portugal four months before Madeleine vanished.
Says Abel: “We want to see Maddie found as much as anyone. She and Carolina were doubles”
Says a voice at Metodo 3, the private detectives: “This could be relevant”
“TAPAS 7 SHOWDOWN” – Seven? But what of the Tapas 9? What about the Tapas 9 and the Sangria 7, to avoid confusion?
Says Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman: “If they or their friends are required to go to Portugal they’ll be happy to comply”
DAILY STAR page 25: “MADDIE’S PARENTS FACE AN ID PARADE”
There is to be a “face-to-face showdown” between Kate and Gerry McCann and their “holiday pals”
The aim – for what sounds not enough unlike an episode of Trisha - is for the police to expose “inconsistencies” in their statements
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “WE’LL GO BACK – McCanns’ vow as Portuguese cops may want them to return for quiz”
Says Clarence Mitchell: “They will do anything necessary if it helps them move on and be eliminated as suspects”
Says a “close friend” of the McCanns: “Their friends aren’t going to say anything which will give them need to call Kate and Gerry back. Nothing substantial will come of this”
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 13: “Madeleine parents ‘may be ordered return to Portugal’”
“We’re doing everything we can to get the letters requesting fresh interviews authorised this week,” a source tells Portuguese daily 24 Horas. “They are ready and simply depend on bureaucratic procedures now”
“It has also emerged that the ‘letters of appeal’, which contain a list of 100 questions that detectives want to put to the group, were ‘fast-tracked’ after a meeting with the British Ambassador to Portugal”
Says a “senior police source”: “It was a private meeting between the Ambassador, the director of the Policia Judiciaria in Faro and the team that was sent to England to analyse the results from the FSS (Forensic Science Service). In that meeting it was decided that because of a lack of conclusive evidence they should go ahead as quickly as possible with new interrogations of the nine people who dined in the Tapas restaurant on May 3,” the source said
PRESS GAZETTE: “Heat settles sticker controversy with charity donation”
“Katie Price [surely Katie Andre] has halted her complaint against Heat magazine for making fun of her disabled son after it apologised and paid a donation to a children’s charity…The Press Complaints Commission received over 100 complaints about the sticker, second only to a Tony Parsons column in the Mirror which criticised the role of the Portugese [sic] in the Madeleine McCann investigation in October this year”
It was Parsons who invited the Portuguese ambassador to “”shut your stupid sardine-munching mouth”
THE INDEPENDENT, DAILY MAIL, THE GUARDIAN: No Madeleine news today
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December 9th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Jill
Whitley Council Rules for the NHS. SICK pay was 6months full and 6months half pay. Usually up to three days compassionate leave in sudden domestic emergencies, any longer than that would have to be taken in annual leave entitlement or ,in exceptional circumstances , unpaid leave. Where there is unpaid leave it is open for the management to bring in a locum, to share the workload. Where there is sickness absence there are frequent “reviews” in the NHS.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:33 am
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Peter O Says:
“Were there already fairly commonplace rumours about the children having being sedated, allegedly, at the end of July/early August? i.e. Were they making this ‘excuse’ to camera because the rumour was already in the public domain, or were they making an ‘excuse’ about something that wasn’t yet known about? ”
I’m sure there were local rumours immediately , with people whispering about how strange it was that the twins remained sleeping, etc. But the McCanns reacted to public rumours only in early October:
“McCanns may sue over Madeleine sedation claims
Oct 11 2007 by Caroline Innes, Liverpool Daily Post
THE Liverpool-born mother of Madeleine McCann is considering legal action against claims she sedated her daughter on the night she disappeared… Kate and husband Gerry said they wanted to make it “categorically clear” they have never used sedatives on any of their children.
The former Notre Dame school pupil said comments to the contrary were so hurtful she felt compelled to speak out.
The couple’s lawyers were last night studying speculation in the Portu-guese press that tests on evidence carried out in the UK suggest that their elder daughter and twins Sean and Amelie were given the drugs on May 3 – the date of Madeleine’s disappearance.”
Strange that in early August Gerry was saying that it is understandable to think the twins were sedated, and yet in early October he is threatening to sue people for suspecting that they carried out the sedation. Then in November they broadcast his earlier comments! So he thinks it is natural for people to suspect sedation, but “slanderous” for them to suspect the McCanns did it! I doubt they got very far with that lawsuit.
December 7th, 2007 at 12:55 am
1300 on2u
Oh really - yawn. Must to bed.
December 7th, 2007 at 12:54 am
1304
I find any theories that dont stick rigidly to ‘it was an abductor’ get rejected and scorned and shouts of ‘foul’ by some people - totally missing the point that wild speculation sometimes hits the nail on the head!
Much better to challenge through logical argument or simply ignore, but no point in moaning and whining.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
1303 Hideki Says: December 6th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
1299 Peter O Says:
“I believe that Jon Corner shot all his footage in early August?”
That is one point, but it is another point when the footage is broadcast. Specifically, the footage with Gerry talking about sedation was broadcast AFTER Team McCann announced their (dubious) negative test results on the twins. Therefore, this remark’s broadcast tends to show that they themselves do not take their test seriously, and that they must prepare for the likelihood that the PJ have obtained positive test results. It is also an admission that the twins did give the appearance (even to doctors) of being sedated. Edit…
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Indeed… That they allow it to be broadcast at all I agree is significant in itself. What I find fascinating about the time that the footage was shot is that even back in early August, before they were arguido/a, they were already beginning to make ‘excuses’ about some of the things that they were concerned the PJ might find during their investigations.
I can’t remember now, don’t know if you can? Were there already fairly commonplace rumours about the children having being sedated, allegedly, at the end of July/early August? i.e. Were they making this ‘excuse’ to camera because the rumour was already in the public domain, or were they making an ‘excuse’ about something that wasn’t yet known about? I think it’s the former, but as I say, I’m not certain.
It does also make you wonder what other ‘gems’ Jon Corner has hidden away in his footage?
December 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Mods and Admin
Cheryl , there are two Cheryls posting, you are showing up as Anonymous. The reference in the above bit is not about you, but t’other
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That is me - I have my machine at home programmed to recognize me but using another one here at work and it didn’t - put me in as Anonymous.
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Mods and Admin
To avoid futher confusion , if you are you , can you email me to confirm.
(As an aside I have a client called Cheryl too)
December 6th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
What the hell is wrong with this world. Those kids were left alone unattended , something should have been done about that immediately. When Branson said words to the effect of they have the weight of British opinion supporting them it made me seethe. Canoe man has been arrested and the McCs and the taps are still parading around . And because they have the support of those at the top they are even going to have Christmas at home. What has happened to this country. Has all sense of morality and common sense been lost!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
1283
Hideki Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 7:43 am
1276
Cheryl Says:
” I may be mistaken but didn’t he say that [Gerry admitting that the twins had appeared as if sedated by someone]after it was said they drugged the children? ”
Yes, you are wrong, Cheryl. He said it in the car while he was driving, in the Jon Corner “family video” segment. That pretty much negates the ridiculous excuse you tried to make up for Gerry.
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REPLY: Excuse me, did I not say “I may be mistaken…” and put a question mark after my sentence; as I was looking for clarification? Thank you for the clarification despite your nasty tone. I was not attempting to make a ridiculous excuse for Gerry anymore than I make excuses for rude people.
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Mods and Admin
Cheryl , there are two Cheryls posting, you are showing up as Anonymous. The reference in the above bit is not about you, but t’other
December 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Another creepy picture of the boot of the car!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
1285
Ian Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 7:49 am
1277 Cheryl
What I dont understand is if you dont like theorising - what the hell are you doing here?
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Ian, there are some theories on here that are not far-fetched but some are way off the walls! I don’t understand how people can get their ‘jollies’ in making statements that are quite close to or are slanderous about another and deliberately smear another’s reputation without facts to base it on. So one might say I sit and watch and read and study what is written and, yes, give my opinions at times. Ian, if you’ll note I make statements at times to try to point out what is and what is not known as true FACT.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
1299
Peter O Says:
“I believe that Jon Corner shot all his footage in early August?”
That is one point, but it is another point when the footage is broadcast. Specifically, the footage with Gerry talking about sedation was broadcast AFTER Team McCann announced their (dubious) negative test results on the twins. Therefore, this remark’s broadcast tends to show that they themselves do not take their test seriously, and that they must prepare for the likelihood that the PJ have obtained positive test results. It is also an admission that the twins did give the appearance (even to doctors) of being sedated.
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Cheryl Says:
“Anyone with an ounce of common sense and know anything about proper police procedures would recognize the total mess the first inept team caused. ”
A completely unsubstantiated statement. You cannot even give examples of what you are talking about.
“Why do you think they were removed and the new team brought with the top professional investigators to take over the case?”
My opinion is that THE MAIN REASON is because a paedophile network is involved (according to the Team McCann abduction version AND according to the reported PJ “intruder” version). The new team is headed by a guy whose SPECIALTY has been tracking paedophiles.
Other less important reasons include the distraction of (unproven) charges against Amaral for falsifying documents in a case involving police brutality. The direct pretext was his final comments complaining about how the British police were allowing the McCanns to interfere with the investigation.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
1284
an observer Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 7:48 am
1249
Cheryl Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 am
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If you’ll read carefully what I was saying I was talking about the first team of investigators. I’ve always said in other remarks on here how professional the second team and lead investigator is. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and know anything about proper police procedures would recognize the total mess the first inept team caused. Why do you think they were removed and the new team brought with the top professional investigators to take over the case?
December 6th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
1300/ correction
contention /not contetion
hearsay/ not heresay
December 6th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
1285/ian
I agree w/cheryl/1277
Theorising based on certain known facts is logical…When it is based on he ,she , they said without any real evidence that is heresay…Which has been a bone of contetion as to why some are here.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
1297 Hideki Says: December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 am
1289 Ian Says:
1272 Karen
“He said it to cover the drowsiness of the twins - in case it was discovered that they were in fact sedated by someone.”
True enough, but WHEN did he say that? That video was shot in, say May, July or August. Afterwards, the McCanns supposedly “proved” the twins had not been sedated. And yet they included that remark in the recent broadcast.
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Nobody has ever contradicted me on my assertion that ALL of the footage of Kate and Gerry on Panorama in fact came from Jon Corner’s “home video” (I’m being sarcastic there!).
I believe that Jon Corner shot all his footage in early August?
December 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
1249 Cheryl Says: December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 am
1229 Peter O Says: December 6th, 2007 at 1:01 am
REPLY: Peter, you left three other pertinent paragraphs out in your edit:
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Er, no I didn’t omit anything…. I was responding to a previous poster who must not have included them? If it’s my mistake, then I can only apologise, it was a genuine omission.
In any case….. Given the wording of the paragraphs you posted, it would make me doubt the veracity of the entire article. Several of the matters discussed are the subject of pending trials. Discussing them in the manner contained in that article extract is odd at best, worse, possibly illegal?
Further… article of this nature when used in support of the McCann’s are no more than a PR exercise to rubbish the investigation. There may well be merit in the suggestion that the investigation has not been without its problems. However, as with much about this case I don’t think we in the public domain actually know to what degree the PJ may have bungled or if it’s the potential perpetrators who may have helped create this perception.
It would, in my opinion, be far better that those wishing to support the McCann’s, up to and including the McCann’s themselves, did their best to answer outstanding questions and/or address criticisms rather than constantly seeking to rubbish the investigation.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 am
1289
Ian Says:
1272 Karen
“He said it to cover the drowsiness of the twins - in case it was discovered that they were in fact sedated by someone.”
True enough, but WHEN did he say that? That video was shot in, say May, July or August. Afterwards, the McCanns supposedly “proved” the twins had not been sedated. And yet they included that remark in the recent broadcast.
This indicates that the McCanns KNOW VERY WELL that the twins’ hair DOES INDEED REVEAL sedatives or other drugs. They know the PJ knows. Their own tests must have shown them this. And yet they announced that their tests were negative — by NOT including those particular drugs in the list of those “tested for”. JMO, allegedly all.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:32 am
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an observer Says:
“there was some speculation that the MC’s had the twin’s hair analysed around early Oct (not sure of date) some 5 months after the “event” which proved no “medication / sedation” present.”
Any such analysis is completely meaningless without knowing the details of what the sample was tested for. Gerry knows all about testing of athletes, etc. Each Olympics there is a “secret” list of drugs that will be tested for. Other drugs are not tested, and if an athlete was using the untested drugs, they get “lucky”. It’s too time-consuming and expensive to test for ALL KNOWN banned substances.
So the biased tests on the twins’ hair probably consisted of tests for a certain set of sedatives, and nothing else. This would be ridiculous, because if the McCanns did the sedation, then they know which drug(s) NOT to include in the test.
Completely meaningless, except as PR proving that the twins were not sedated. And yet AFTER THIS, we have the Panorama broadcast of Gerry saying that it did look like the twins were sedated. Why did they include that segment in the broadcast — with no mention of the dubious tests that supposedly show they were not sedated?
December 6th, 2007 at 8:32 am
1288
Ian
There are one or two confusing agents ( as the Chinese would say ) about.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:26 am
I don’t think the McConns are going to get away with anything. The pj’s have spent far too much money and time on this and due to the McLiars treatment of them through the media, they have a reputation to uphold.
I think the pj’s have enough evidence BUT I think they want it in stone hence further dna tests. I think their main problem will be which one (ones) of the t7 were involved in the cover up. I suspect they have enough on K but they need to find the accomlice/s. IMO
December 6th, 2007 at 8:24 am
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Tinsel Says:
583Stevo
“Do you have any thoughts on why Tanner’s partner didn’t do Panorama? …”
Russell O’Brien does seem very quiet. Sure, he bungled some things, but so has Gerry McCann. So why is Gerry being encouraged to blabber, while O’Brien is urged to shut his mouth? Or is it just that O’Brien has the good sense to shut up , even though Team McCann might like him to say something?
Jane Tanner has almost “nothing to lose” by opening her big ugly mouth — or am I wrong, and this monster is also a doctor? Judging by her name, and her looks, she comes from a line of leather factory foremans? What is her occupation?
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From the Mirror Forum (by Google search):
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:
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[quote="Middlemarch"]My apologies for asking the same question here as I asked on SirRobert’s thread with the 4 Sol articles, and if this point has been covered previously.
In one of the articles (which can be found on SirRobert’s thread, sorry too tired to link), it mentions that Rachel and Matthew Oldfield were using the Ocean Club’s babysitting service… If that is so, why on earth would Matthew Oldfield be up and checking the McCann children, at all?
It appears that the only two couples who employed no method of looking after their children other than random checks was the McCanns and their neighbours the O’Brien/Tanner couple.
There would be no reason for Matthew Oldfield to go and check his own children. Given that Gerry is purportedly helping him in his medical negligence defence, perhaps he thought he owed him an alibi and threw in a check to help absolve the McCanns from child negligence charges. He might not have been aware that he was doing anything more than covering up irresponsible parenting.
However, once the tides began to turn against the McCanns he would then be in a very awkward position, had he lied to the police in a very public investigation. That would never look good, but would be a horrible revelation in the middle of his own malpractice woes.[/quote]
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December 6th, 2007 at 8:20 am
and GM is an expert in over the counter drugs and atheletes mis use of them
hardly niave
in the 5 min window of opportunity the phantom was a whizz with the needle
why sedate to sleeping babies with a needle?
when you have 5 mins to do it?
If you are an expert on the matter and a suspected paedo injected your child with needles
surely you would be worried and have them checked for HIV etc…
December 6th, 2007 at 8:20 am
1289
Ian Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 8:03 am
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there was some speculation that the MC’s had the twin’s hair analysed around early Oct (not sure of date) some 5 months after the “event” which proved no “medication / sedation” present.
apparantly this was after haircuts. being no scientist, i don’t know if the samples analysed were older than five months old, younger than five months old, with or without hair roots. don’t even know if this makes a difference but suspcet it does.
having a bet each way possibly.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:14 am
Morning Ian.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:03 am
1272 Karen
He said it to cover the drowsiness of the twins - in case it was discovered that they were in fact sedated by someone.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:01 am
1286 Rosemary
I have noticed a concerted effort here to change history - I too thought the detail being shared was at odds with the claims by the McCanns that they couldnt discuss the events of the night (the timings) ‘at the advice of the police’. Their selective adherence to the secrecy laws is most interesting.
I too thought ‘thats it, they have effectively killed her now!’ (but as I did not and do not think there is an abduction outside of the T9, I later realised it wasnt an issue). The point is, the fact that they did that is very informative. They know that it wouldnt harm her.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:56 am
1283 Hideki
Because it suits their purpose.
Some people come here to try to shut down any hypothesis they dont like. Why do they do it, is the question.
This is a place for satire and ‘laughing’ at the media isnt it? Also for sleuthing - which needs wild hypothesising. What I dont understand is this view that we should only discuss abduction - the one hypothesis that actually has no basis and has produced - despite the efforts of many many people who want it to be the case - no evidence.
It seems some think we should speculate on ‘why’ Maddie was abducted and not ‘was’ Maddie abducted!
Its like debating who ate the pies when we havent established there were any pies!
December 6th, 2007 at 7:56 am
1243 and others
Totje
As you say it was not the BBC who drew attention to the coloboma.
It was the parents who made it the main feature of their campaign - the eye mark logo (trademarked) shown clearly on the poster (it could have been blended out with Photoshop).
This was against the advice of the police.
When I heard this unique identifying feature mentioned the day after M went missing I gasped, knowing it was probably signing her death warrant, if she had indeed been kidnapped. Why would a parent do that?
December 6th, 2007 at 7:49 am
1277 Cheryl
What I dont understand is if you dont like theorising - what the hell are you doing here?
December 6th, 2007 at 7:48 am
1249
Cheryl Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 1:54 am
1229
Peter O Says:
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hi cheryl,
do you really believe that the new team will do anything illegal in the investigation given the intense scrutiny they are under from their own government, the british government ,the international media and the team McCann army of specialists? i don’t think so.
i think you will find that the AG was not referring to the current team in any event.
whilst the AG did venture that the portuguese police may not be as experienced in the area of childhod abduction as british police, there are many people who don’t subscribe to the notion of abduction in this case. the evidence just does not support it.
the new PJ team appears to be validating the hypothesis arrived at by the first team so it looks like the first team was getting there, albeit maybe not as fast or as efficiently as some would have liked.
contrary to your assertion, i would suggest the AG is right behind the current team. i am am too for what that’s worth.
the PJ should be getting our support and that of the MC’s too.
imo, the PJ seem to be of the opinion that the MC’s know what happened to MM. i suspect the PJ are on the money!
the truth will out, hopefully sooner rather than later.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:43 am
1276
Cheryl Says:
” I may be mistaken but didn’t he say that [Gerry admitting that the twins had appeared as if sedated by someone]after it was said they drugged the children? ”
Yes, you are wrong, Cheryl. He said it in the car while he was driving, in the Jon Corner “family video” segment. That pretty much negates the ridiculous excuse you tried to make up for Gerry.
Why do you bother imagining a context that doesn’t exist to justify a remark that you cannot explain? Are you Kate?