Madeleine McCann: And Another Thing Gordon Brown, Stephen Winyard Says And Christmas
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
THE PEOPLE: “Madeleine probe hit by delays”
Eight months of looking and now this headline..?
“Police plans to quiz Maddie McCann’s parents again look set to be delayed until after Christmas” – who works over Christmas?
STAR ON SUNDAY: “MCCANN QUIZMAS”
“Kate and Gerry McCann fear Portuguese police could turn up on their doorstep on Christmas Day” – They should read The People and stop worrying about “dithering Algarve detectives”; the tabloid press’s not-so-wise men
Says a source close to the couple: “They’re desperate for their first Christmas without Madeleine to be an intimate, private affair. But they’re on tenterhooks because the occasion could be gatecrashed”
Maybe their private detectives can save the day? Metodo 3 director Francisco Marco tells us: “I think it’s going very well. I am unable to say too much except that everything is very positive.” At a rate of £2,000-a-day, hard to see how things could be negative…
“MCCANNS ‘WILL BE CLEARED BY XMAS’” – so reported the Star one week ago
DAILY MAIL: “Red tape could delay questioning of McCanns until after Christmas”
“Police questioning of Gerry and Kate McCann over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine could be delayed until after Christmas. Portuguese detectives are ready to fly to the UK and have prepared letters with questions the couple and their seven holiday friends must answer. But they are being held up by a mass of red tape”
Gerry and Kate McCann are “doctors”. Such are the facts
THE TIMES: “Brown ‘ignores’ plea by McCanns”
McCann backer Stephen Winyard, who owns a Scottish health spa, says the “shutters had gone up” after Portuguese police named Gerry and Kate McCann as suspects: “Our request to meet with ministers – the prime minister, the home secretary and the foreign secretary – has still not been met”
It was one so different with Gordon ‘Columbo’ Brown
SUNDAY HERALD: “Tycoon blasts Brown over missing Madeleine”
Stephen Winyard has also offered a £1m reward for Madeleine’s return
Says he: “”This government was elected to look after its citizens. And it’s fair to say it’s a fundamental principle of our legal system that everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. With that in mind, I would really strongly urge that Gordon Brown, who has previously been really supportive, accede to our request for a meeting at ministerial level”
Will Gordon Brown meet the McCann party then look at every missing person and apparent crime?
Says Winyard: “Both Gerry and Kate have been through an absolute nightmare and they’re facing some very difficult weeks with Christmas coming up”
Gordon Brown is a politician. Such are the facts
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
leave their 3 under 3’s home alone every night, with the door left open, (i think there was an electrical hiccup with the flashing neon light for above the apartment door) and now they are disgruntled because the British prime minister Gordon Brown- (who incidentally, lost a child to premature death, and who you can rest assure wouldn’t, nor would his wife, dream of going on holiday and leaving their children alone, to go eating drinking and socializing) -has ‘pulled the shutter’s down’ on the Mc Canns. Now, take this hypothetical scenario, a group of say, single parents, organize a swingers week, where they will take part in group sex with some people they know, some they may not have met before. While out dining with these fuck buddies/strangers, one of the single mother’s children goes missing. What next? All the fuck buddies go underground, millions of pounds start pouring in from multi-millionaire donors, trips organized for the single mother to meet the pope and go to Washington DC, balloons released all over the globe, pictures of empathy and the poor tortured single mother, who was only having some “me time” (Quote:KMcCann) people defending her actions, her defending her actions, and saying she did nothing wrong, that she is very responsible. This wouldn’t happen. The mother would be sent for psychiatric evaluations and possibly incarcerated, certainly villified, and the children all taken from her. Oh how easy it is to pull the wool over peoples eyes and let’s face it, it sells papers for a while till people overdose on it, but i’d be interested in seeing the profit’s made by the newspaper giants, in the last 7 months. It’s like watching a horrid movie that never ends. Full of lies and arrogance and deceptions and half truths, and it’s shovelled into us one way or another. And we unwittingly become embroiled in the whole sordid tawdry affair and it, a part of us, and therefore our lives , i mean there are disturbing sites on the internet where word wars and mud slinging have broken out between posters, over comments made by people about McCanns. Their lies, our lives. There lies our lives. I refrain from commenting for the most part but it’s like the Mc Canns are gonna torture us all for ever more and never ever go away. It was when i walked into the shop one morning and asked for a copy of The Daily Mccann, then i realized. It’s like a slow brainwashing process, because people will eventually switch off, and therefore achieve the desired effect.
December 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
888
imelda Says:
December 10th, 2007 at 11:45 am
I totally agree with your statement. I am a single mum too. It is hard work and I have to push myself to the background. But it is worth it!
I am home tonight. All my friends are out doing things. My four year old is already asleep. I am here for her. It is because I want to be here for her. The Mc Cann’s have taken a big risk. Not a lot of parents would have done this. They pay a high price now and the only person who really got desperately hurt was this innocent little girl and her brother and sister of course too, who might never see her again.
December 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Priest has the secret, told to him by the child’s parents. The priest is a broken man, in his knowledge of the truth. What truth you may ask. But is it necessary to know the absolute details? Is the simple truth not enough to stop the endless speculation.
December 10th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
889/ cheryl
Britain would have lost the war if it was not for the Americans “butting in”…you need a history lesson..or better still watch “A Fish called Wanda” and crazy American Kevin Kline..Thats where we “crazy” Americans get our history..from the movies ( Yeah believe that one)..his remarks exemplified the “crazy” American…do hope you put this debate to bed…Cheryl you are in over your head.
December 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
889/cheryl
Your retort as it stands was insignifcant and truly an overeaction to what was stated…. doubt it will serve any purpose to participate in your convoluted dialogue….what I said will suffice for lack of interest in what you have to say on that subject. will continue to comment as I see fit.. hopefully you will have something plausable to say…
December 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
i think we should reserve our judgement until we know of the real facts,and pray madeline is found safe and unharmed.because we will not be able to forgive our selves if we have caused more anguish to madelines parents.so stop adding to the pain,until we know better.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
890
JuneJohnson Says:
December 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Cheryl
Hopefully you have found a discussion /sparring partner in Meejician?
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Interesting and intelligent person, June. See you on the Forum shortly.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
882 Peter O
Hullo, all–who wrote the part about how the Tapas 9 may have moved Madeleine’s body to Morocco, to be planted on the property of a pedophile there?
That is some brill thinking–really!
Is this from Hideki, or PeterO? Would explain why kate “just knew” that Madeleine had been taken to Morocco.
They would have had to have had help from outside the Tapas 9, though, wouldn’t they? I am not sure of the timeline….who was where….maybe someone could have quickly taken the body to Morocco in that same hire car, which would explain the corpse fluid….or else, they moved it much later from one car to another, which would also explain the corpse fluid….
But could it have happened? Oh, yes. Wonder what Stevo thinks.
As for the “treated like a princess” comment from Gerry, that indicates some inner-circle deal, and that could be anywhere, even a royal inner circle. Remember the wild, crazy, infamous book written by the American Baronness Sherry about her marriage to a Belgian aristocrat? i will see if I can find the reference.
December 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Cheryl
Hopefully you have found a discussion /sparring partner in Meejician?
December 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
880
on2u Says:
December 10th, 2007 at 7:20 am
877
Cheryl
Meejician
Cannot figure out why war policy has anything to do with Ramsay’s or McCann’s?
It is like comparing apples to oranges!
If you are discussing war policy that is a whole other issue.To state personal info as to what the USA ’s policy might have been during the war is absolutely ludicrous
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REPLY:
Good Morning! What war policy are you speaking of? What did you take out of content in a missive I was sending to Meejician? I do not believe I stated I gave what you JUST inferred personal info as to what the USA’s policy might have been during the war. Further since you have taken it upon yourself to respond to a missive I sent Meejician kindly get it straight what ALL we were discussing, what he said to me, my responses to him, and what other subjects and examples were brought up in discussions. We exchanged several missives I suggest you read them all!
Talk about how misunderstandings and misstatements get started on here - this is a prime example!
December 10th, 2007 at 11:45 am
Stephen Winyard say’s the government is there to look after it’s citizens. Well, is it not the duty of parents to look after their off spring. The Mc Canns make me want to vomit. Their two sickos.They can’t even admit their incompetence as parents. I am a single mother, and I don;t care if the law say’s it’s ok for me to leave my children alone, I still won’t do it. I live by the law’s dictated by my sense of responsibility and duty to the three lives i brought into this world. The Mc Canns should be locked up and the key thrown away. They are as guilty as sin and the portuguese police know it. The father out playing tennis the next day and the two creeps out running. Waken up everyone. The parents don’t give a damn about their children, any parent would’ve been better to their children than what they are. So the child is probably better off where she is, as the person who took her couldn’t care less for her than what her parent’s did. They are puke worthy and too much in love with themselves to be able to competently love their off spring. Maybe someone will assassinate them and then we won’t have to look at their two ugly mugs taking up the news anymore. I personally have stopped buying the newspaper and would suggest everyone else do the same. I mean why should anyone have to pay to look at the two demons.
December 10th, 2007 at 10:10 am
881
Steve Davis Says:
879 Hideki
“Are you the bloke at the party who likes have all eyes on him when he speaks, boring everyone in to a coma with the sound of your own voice?
Are you the guy who demands to know who everyone is, while no one wants to know who he is? The guy too drunk to remember who is who anyway?
“Looks like i’ve got some stiff competition in here.”
Looks like you better fix yourself another stiff drink…
December 10th, 2007 at 8:10 am
New thread up now on2u.
December 10th, 2007 at 8:08 am
884/ian
not 883
December 10th, 2007 at 8:01 am
883/ian
That is my point ..The points made by Hideki were valid against the McCann’s so called abduction theory…But it is my understanding that gerry presumably thinks that Madeleine is being cared for like a princess. Again, there is no concrete evidence of any of this. Unless as stated they(McCann’s) have certain knowledge we the public are not aware of???
December 10th, 2007 at 7:50 am
881 I’ve yet to hear anything thats a good point ‘for’ any abduction.
I’ve just had a quick look back to when Garth arrived yesterday (I was here a short time only). Once ‘he’ was here the bickering started big time. I dont know why Mods and Admin allow people like ‘him’ to post - he doesnt add to a debate, just starts attacking people.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:44 am
879 Hideki Says: December 10th, 2007 at 7:13 am
415 Peter O Says:
“paedophilia, which I accept is sadly a possible factor in this case…”
The McCanns have INSISTED that it is a factor. And so have their hired detectives. Most people would think of it as one of many possibilities for an abduction (versus revenge by someone who hates the McCanns, a motive of ransom, etc). But from Day 1, the McCanns KNEW it was a predator. How truly strange!
Edit…..
“There is, in my opinion, a world of difference between raising the spectre of a dreadful subject such as paedophilia… and the need to explore the specific details of possible ‘acts’ or their consequences. ”
Edit…
“The specific details of any alleged acts and their potential consequences can be no more than wild speculation in this case.”
This depends on what you mean by “specific details” (a redundant term, BTW, for specificity is what makes a detail a detail) and “wild speculation” (why not just say “irrelevant” speculation?).
Edit…
Could it be that the girl’s body was moved to Morocco, and that Metodo3 is being fed information that might eventually allow them to find the body? Perhaps the body would be “planted” on the property of someone who is known to the police as a paedophile?
None of this is “wild” speculation. It’s the McCanns who have given us WILD SPECULATION — speculation (without the slightest basis) that there is a paedophile abductor. Why shoule we not speculate about why they made that wild speculation?
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Hideki – I have to say that is quite possible one of the most balanced and objective discussions of this subject I have ever read. Thank you.
Nor can I really argue with your line of reasoning. You have described a thoroughly plausible chain of possible events. All we currently lack is the evidence to prove it.
Perhaps the only possible alternative I can offer as to why the McCann’s and M3 should consistently push the paedophile line, in my opinion, is as some kind of bizarre “sympathy” sham/there has to be a bogeyman etc.. i.e. An extension of the PJ’s accident theory and the McCann’s are trying to shift the blame/gain public sympathy. As you have commented several times, the dreadful fate that awaits any poor child at the hands of a paedophile person or group is really sickening beyond belief. If the McCann’s are allegedly fabricating the whole paedophile “story” simply to deflect from their own culpability, then I think this is possibly “sicker” than the poor girl having actually suffered such a fate. All just my opinions, etc.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:42 am
879/hideki
You make very good points in the case for/against McCanns’s abduction theory. Although I was under the impression gerry thought Madeleine was being cared for by the abductors and treated like a princess?
December 10th, 2007 at 7:20 am
877
Cheryl
Meejician
Cannot figure out why war policy has anything to do with Ramsay’s or McCann’s?
It is like comparing apples to oranges!
If you are discussing war policy that is a whole other issue.To state personal info as to what the USA ’s policy might have been during the war is absolutely ludicrous.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:13 am
415
Peter O Says:
“paedophilia, which I accept is sadly a possible factor in this case…”
The McCanns have INSISTED that it is a factor. And so have their hired detectives. Most people would think of it as one of many possibilities for an abduction (versus revenge by someone who hates the McCanns, a motive of ransom, etc). But from Day 1, the McCanns KNEW it was a predator. How truly strange!
So we have the McCann leaping TWICE to conclusions that normal people would not have jumped to. The FIRST is abduction itself; as several have pointed out, Kate did not even bother to check adjacent apartments, etc. She has herself stated that she knew right away it was an abduction. The SECOND is that the abductor is involved is a member of a paedophile ring. Even had there been some clear signs of a possible abduction (which there were not), what normal person immediately assumes that a paedophile was involved? And yet this is what the McCanns story has been from the outset.
Now the McCanns gave some nonsensical reasons for immediately knowing it was an abduction: cuddle cat placed high on a shelf, shutter of window open. They lied about the shutter being forced open, and then changed their story from locked to unlocked doors so that their abductor had a way in to the apartment. Jane Tanner added her “suspect”. None of this points to immediately knowing that there was an abduction; it points to gradually changing and embellishing one’s story to facilitate the belief that an abduction took place. And absolutely nothing in this points to a paedophile.
Though the McCanns made a nonsensical effort to show why we should believe an abduction took place, they have NEVER SAID A WORD about why they firmly believe it was a paedophile.
This can only mean that they are HIDING SOME KIND OF KNOWLEDGE about what happened, knowledge that would lead us to believe a paedophile was responsible. Yet they cannot possibly share this knowledge without implicating themselves, directly or indirectly.
At the very least, the McCanns claimed a “predator” was responsible because someone told them to claim that. In that case, what I have just said then pertains to THAT person.
So IMO the McCanns had to have had at least an indirect knowlege of paedophile activity and an indirect acquaintanceship with paedophiles.
This is the MAJOR FLAW of their fabricated story, IMO. It’s very interesting that not a single interviewer asked the McCanns what evidence they had that a paedophile was involved.
“There is, in my opinion, a world of difference between raising the spectre of a dreadful subject such as paedophilia… and the need to explore the specific details of possible ‘acts’ or their consequences. ”
Yes, there is a difference. First, let us remember that the McCanns are the ones who “raised the spectre of this dreadful subject” and they are also the ones who are silent about any details that led them to raise it in the first place.
“The specific details of any alleged acts and their potential consequences can be no more than wild speculation in this case.”
This depends on what you mean by “specific details” (a redundant term, BTW, for specificity is what makes a detail a detail) and “wild speculation” (why not just say “irrelevant” speculation?).
There are some basic details that are extremely relevant to speculate about. It is very relevant whether or not an intruder sexually assaulted the girl in the apartment (even if he then abducted her). Such an assault would provide an extremely strong motive to get rid of the body. The nature of the molestation could explain blood or other bodily fluids being found. The police would be far more likely to pay attention to any samples of semen found in the apartment, for example.
Another poster recently pointed out that the McCanns thoroughly cleaned their apartment, just before claiming that a paedophile abducted their daughter. This behavior is just utterly bizarre and suspicious.
Later on, through Metodo3, the McCanns apparently expanded their knowledge of paedophiles, claiming that the abductor paedophiles were most likely in Morocco. Again, not a shred of evidence was presented that there are suspicious paedophiles there. These “wild” claims were based on a few sightings of blonde girls, later discounted. No witnesses provided any information that would indicate paedophilia.
Metodo3 has no history of sleuthing paedophile rings — how do they know paedophiles in Morocco are responsible? Again, it could be that they are just saying what they are told to say — but then WHO is tellling them to say that and WHY?
Could it be that the girl’s body was moved to Morocco, and that Metodo3 is being fed information that might eventually allow them to find the body? Perhaps the body would be “planted” on the property of someone who is known to the police as a paedophile?
None of this is “wild” speculation. It’s the McCanns who have given us WILD SPECULATION — speculation (without the slightest basis) that there is a paedophile abductor. Why shoule we not speculate about why they made that wild speculation?
December 10th, 2007 at 6:12 am
My sweet little honey coated t……l,
My honey bun, my treacle pud.
Might see you later
just remember
too much sugar…………..
x
December 10th, 2007 at 4:17 am
776
Meejician Says:
December 10th, 2007 at 12:03 am
764
Cheryl Says:
December 9th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
What is going on over there right now is akin to what I saw the Ramsey’s go through when their little girl was murdered.
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No, as your (and our) legal system is adversarial. Different thing altogether.
Now what I’d like you to do, instead of singing the Star Spangled Banner to me, is to respect the fact that my father, who fought for the UK in that war, as a Private rather than an Officer, as he should have been, was a Communist, and a lawyer, and because he was a Communist, I wasn’t allowed into the good old US of A for many years, even though I’m uncontaminated by Marxism, personally.
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REPLY: I reread the above over again. The UK deprived him of rank of officer over there when he fought for them? I’ll make no unnice remarks as this country did some not nice things to to some of our soldiers during the war. If you don’t mind my asking, how in heaven’s name did the US find out he was a Communist to then penalize you? (Rather paranoid Government over here, you know. But could I tell you a few things !) How long did it take you to finally get in over here to visit or whatever? If you don’t wish to answer that is fine I’ll not be insulted.
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I’d like you to take a moment to research what inquisitorial law means, and to see if it’s different from anything you know about.
REPLY: Lots of thank yous for that great suggestion - what an eye opener in the differences. I spent a couple of hours going from site to site reading and while at it opened the sub-headings, etc.
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Let me know when you’ve found out why it’s different from Mrs Ramsey’s spot of bother.
REPLY: This I need more time on to study carefully, if you don’t mind. I’ll do more reading at work tomorrow.
Hope you feel okay tomorrow!
December 10th, 2007 at 3:29 am
just imagine, any technician working on this case wants to be able to solved it, regardless of nationality
considering now that cops can listen to anyone with a cell phone, regardless of if the phone is on, or not, I bet they listen in just for curiosity to these 9 characters. I know I would!!!
December 10th, 2007 at 2:16 am
Got the last word.
December 10th, 2007 at 2:11 am
x
December 10th, 2007 at 2:10 am
Lulu
We’ll feel like hell in the morning so go ta BED!
December 10th, 2007 at 2:09 am
That was helping, not halping.
December 10th, 2007 at 2:09 am
Not here much tomorrow, more halping at school then hospital appt.
I’m sure we’ll touch base though.
It’s been fun playing mousie with you.
December 10th, 2007 at 2:06 am
no, but I’m sure he’s lurking.
Brummie?????
Hmmm
You’ll get a belt from your Da
December 10th, 2007 at 2:04 am
Lulu,
“Yampster!” - isn’t he a Brummie? I am too but we’re not related.
I’m switching off now, OK?
December 10th, 2007 at 2:03 am
wassinaname anyway
you so many