Madeleine McCann: The Age Of Jose Anes, Gerry McCann’s Fury And Murat’s Nannies Know Best
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
THE SUN: “No one will ever stand trial”
Because no one has been charged with any crime?
Or: “NOBODY will EVER stand trial over missing Madeleine McCann because cops made so many vital blunders,” says the Sun. And so too says Jose Anes, 62: “Mistakes in the early hours demolished the entire case”
The ex-director of Lisbon’s police lab is “Portugal’s top forensic expert”, a billing the lab’s current director may dispute
Mr Anes says: “If the scene is not preserved in the first hours, all the hours of effort that follow are useless. I am utterly convinced — unless some new, concrete evidence suddenly emerges — the case will never reach trial”
But what of the evidence gathered so far, like the DNA samples found in the McCanns’ hire car?
“Maddie sniffer dog ‘was rigged’” - Gerry McCann is “FURIOUS” – as often he is. He “believes sniffer dogs used to find Maddie clues in the family’s hire car were MANIPULATED by cops”
Says a “source close to the couple”: “Gerry says a dog went up to the Scenic, sniffed around and went to head off. He watched the dog being brought back to the vehicle. Finally, it reacts around the boot area. Gerry was open-mouthed at that, he feels the dog was manoeuvred into a position where it could react”
And smell
“Murat pals ’saw him near flat’” – “SUSPECT Robert Murat was PALS with British holiday nannies who say they saw him the night Maddie vanished, it has emerged”
Good friends? “And at least two of the girls knew him well enough to be on first name terms”
That’s close, eh
“A source confirmed yesterday that he did befriend several girls, adding: ‘A lot are attractive and he made a beeline for them. When they were asked who was near the apartment that night, several mentioned Murat”
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine: Forensics expert says inquiry is ‘complete waste’ because of police blunders at apartment”
Says Jose Manuel Anes: “Huge amounts of money were spent but if, in the first hours, the due precautions for the preservation of the crime scene were not taken, all this hard work goes down the drain. We can spend rivers of money which will all go down the drain if the crime scene is not properly isolated”
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell says: “It is alarming to hear that Mr Anes has this view. All we want, and have done throughout, is to ensure the operational police side of this has been done in an effective and efficient manner as possible”
And why is Mr Anes – “the 62-year-old” - speaking out now? Because he’s making his comments known in a book called The McCanns’ Guilt – not that the case will ever, come to trial, you understand
“Madeleine: Gerry’s fury at ‘bungling’ dog handlers” – More Gerry McCann fury
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE COPS HIDE WITNESS”
Says the paper: “The key witness in the Madeleine McCann inquiry was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal” – Jane Tanner? Kate McCann? Gerry McCann? No, the unnamed Portuguese tapas waiter…
“Pals say he is terrified his identity is about to be revealed and claim he is also scared of British and Portuguese government influence in the probe…Friends add that he is worried about the private eyes hired by Gerry and Kate McCann, both 39, to help find their daughter”
One former work colleague of the waiter says: “He does not want to be involved in any of this. Through no fault of his own he finds himself at the heart of this worldwide mystery”
DAILY EXPRESS: “MADELEINE: WITNESS GOES ON THE RUN ‘TO PROTECT HIS EVIDENCE’”
“THE key witness in the missing Madeleine McCann case was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal”
“POLICE WERE ‘SIDETRACKED’ BY MCCANNS” - Former police crime scene chief Jose Manuel Anes is “ONE of Portugal’s top forensic experts”
The WORLD’S GREATEST NEWSPAPER investigates. Mr Anes is “71”
And “last night hinted that Kate and Gerry McCann were partly to blame for the flawed investigation into their daughter’s disappearance”. Although the Sun says it was those bungling Portuguese police (see above)?
“They should not have been thinking of the poor little parents but I understand the human dimension and the pressure which immediately involved the investigators. Sometimes the police are too human. The police must be absolutely objective. Somebody’s suggestions and complaints connected to a person’s disappearance should be set aside while the evidence is being gathered. In the moments immediately following the occurrence the goal is to gather everything and preserve everything”
Not bungling, rather too caring; too human
DAILY MIRROR: “McCann DNA clue ‘useless’”
Jose Manuel Anes is 62. He is the retired head of Portugal’s police science laboratory.
He tells the Mirror, and everyone else: “I fear the case will never reach trial” - and even if it did, no jury would be able to convict anyone.
BBC: Audience for BBC News 24 peaked in 2007 at 8.2 million in the week ending 1 July for the bomb attack on Glasgow Airport and at 7.9 million for the story of the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann in the week ending 13 May
Madeleine McCann: The ratings winner
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December 18th, 2007 at 11:27 am
182 i do hope that is a promise mate.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I give up
You really have no idea.
These people are guilty as hell, and they are fighting for their lives
December 18th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Mods and Admin
Trading insults
Enough of the below the belt descriptions, they are just schoolboyish smut, and very boring for us to read.
So, some inventive and creative and funny insults from now on , pleaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
A very bored Moderator xx
December 18th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Tony Bennett
Apologies for long post. I have to go now, working this afternoon and tomorrow as well as family commitments. Will try to look in late this evening if you do reply.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Tony Bennett
Oh I haven’t rejected all theories, Tony, I’m not daft, as you correctly say. I know very well that a few minutes is a very small window of opportunity. Why do you think I’m still so interested?!
I KNOW that intelligent people make mistakes, Tony, and I have considered seriously whether the McCanns might have been stupid enough to think they could fake a break-in from the INSIDE. It just doesn’t seem to me like a detail these people would overlook. I could be wrong. But it would be a very basic error to make, wouldn’t it? I’m not stupid enough not to realise it’s odd that Tanner and O’Brien didn’t notice the shutters up and the window open, if they passed by at that time. I don’t know quite know exactly what their view of the McCanns’ window would have been but will look again at the Panorama programme to see if one can tell.
Most people seem to think I’m too ignorant or stupid to understand the details of the case. Thank you, at least, for not entirely sharing that view! I don’t know why you don’t believe me when I say I want to know the truth. Stripping away what I personally consider to be highly unlikely theories such as witchcraft, requests for requiems, funerals, confessions, secrets in the Vatican, Freemason cover-ups, Jehovah Witness links, burials in the churchyard, child substitutions, political shenanigans etc. does not mean there don’t remain serious questions to be answered. All those theories would make a good Christmas thriller but this isn’t a thriller, is it? Sadly, it’s real life. There does remain that very small window of opportunity, ASSUMING we have the correct timeline, which we probably don’t, in its entirety. You have to get rid of the rubbish before you get to the truth. That’s all I’m doing.
I certainly have not rejected the shutters thing out of hand. (It doesn’t belong to the too-nutty-for-words theories!) I don’t know enough about it to be sure one way or the other. But surely the police will know? A faked break-in would be central to their case, wouldn’t it? Is it easy to fake such an actual break-in, from inside, especially with the sort of shutters we’re talking about? If the police did ANY proper work on this, they must have recognised a fake break-in and they must have asked O’B and Tanner if they noticed anything. Isn’t it the oldest game around to fake a break-in?
Your view of how Tanner came over in Panorama is subjectiv. She came over to me as quite an ordinary person, but I could be wrong. And that’s another thing. Why, back at the tapas bar, or in the later melee, didn’t GM say to her,
“You’d better not mention seeing anyone carrying a child. I bumped into JW and he’s bound to say he didn’t see anyone. Just leave that out. I know…..you could just say you noticed our shutters were up but assumed we’d just decided to leave them like that.”
That might have been just a bit more convincing than the story of the man with the child. Again, it’s such a daft story to make up if you are lying. It makes the abduction story LESS, not MORE convincing. So why say it at all? I’m genuinely puzzled.
I’ve thought of every possibility. Possibly Tanner DID see what she saw but wasn’t meant to? But then, who would be carrying away the child on GM’s orders? Wasn’t O’B in the tapas bar at that time? (Anyway, she’d know her own husband!) Tanner has never said she thought the man was Murat. Would Murat have been such an idiot? Did GM just ask some helpful passer-by, or hard-up MW staff member, to dispose of his child’s body for him? (As you do!) Would he have been quite calm and relaxed with JW while someone was, to his knowledge, carrying away his dead child? I know you think JW was also involved but, sorry, to me that IS a nuttier-than-a-fruitcake theory!! They’d only just met. O’D might not even have been able to pick out Madeleine in a crowd , as the kid-substitute theorists remind us!
Can I assure you AGAIN that I have no reason not to want to know the truth. What I do NOT like is seeing speculation and obscene innuendo for which there is no evidence. I do believe lies may have been told about the McCanns to make them look as bad as possible in an effort to prejudice the case. If that’s true, and they are guilty, nobody will be more pleased than the couple themselves.
If the culprits are the McCanns of course I will be sad to know that parents have done such an evil thing, to think that their families’ lives are ruined etc. etc. and especially to imagine how Madeleine might have suffered. (I will also be sad to think of my modest donation having been wasted! But it was given early on and in good faith.) BUT, if they are guilty, it would have the HUGE plus of meaning that there is no wicked/crazed person still out there who committed this crime. There would be a very positive side indeed.
It was Stevo who asked Meejician about her friend on Team McCann, I think.
I know nothing beyond newspaper stories about the Michael Barrymore case and can’t judge the correctness or otherwise of anything you’ve ever said about it.
On the other hand, I DO share your concerns re EEC….big style! Problem is, I prefer to work within mainstream politics. (Sorry, I don’t work with or for any party…ugh!….but I only ever approach mainstream politicians to discuss issues and don’t join fringe groups.) I suppose I feel a bit hopeless and helpless about this and think we’re in an inevitable slide towards loss of sovereignty in some very significant areas. I feel both sad AND concerned about it. Sorry. Off topic but it’s why I do look carefully at what you say. Must be some good in you!! (Joke)
December 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Picking up on the previous comment that there was no urgency in reinterviewing the McCanns (which suggested that police knew that Madeleine was dead or that she was alive but not abducted by a stranger-:
Would it be fair to say that:
- the PJ don’t have conclusive evidence of an abduction… because there was no abduction.
- the PJ don’t have conclusive evidence of an accidental death in the apartment… because there was no accidental death in the apartment
- The DNA traces and sniffer dogs were designed to get the McCanns to bring an end to their scam. But it got out of hand.
Result:
- The PJ will not be able to substantiate charges against the McCanns.
- The PJ would be able to substantiate charges for a scam IF / UNTIL Madeleine is “found” by Metodo 3
- The McCanns know that those charges will come when Metodo 3 produces Madeleine… and are now in a situation where they want this game to end, but don’t know how to bring it to an end without being charged.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am
168
soothsayer Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 11:12 am
rockhopper your to slow by a country mile i’ve already done the care in the community bollox and the other stuff….knobhead
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Sorry to hear that your life is so full of bollox, never mind, I can see from your postings that you are unable to get past name calling and contradicting yourself. It’s a shame you can’t post anything worthy of debate, so I shall ignore you.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:21 am
164 Ian Says:
“Errr….BOLLOX! She thought she needed an excuse, panic set in - she increased the numbers a little (as liars often do).”
Especially when it comes to claims that could easily been proven or disproven. However, as I don’t believe in the magic dogs anyway, I’m not really interested in the exact number of pre-holiday corpses.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:21 am
and the priests life
and uks reputation abroad
parents in uks reputations
December 18th, 2007 at 11:21 am
157 Deb
These papers are so funny!
When were they not in the frame!
December 18th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Sherlock - no because Eng, W & Scoty are not separate countries in any meaningful sense - England (specifically the South East) pays for the Welish and the Scots, and he who pays the piper calls the tune - you may as well ask whether County boundaries are sealed - no because it is meaningless
However you slice it the PJ have screwed up and, chippy little chaps that there are (in this case0 they are out for revenge. It is embarassing to those of us who love Potugal to see.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Just a quick hello
yesterday Peter Mac explained here very well ,how the shutters works.
As for the waiter or any possible person that knows something in this case ,is AFRAID !!
These people (the mcc) are like 1 octupus .You got to be here ,to know,how the Mccanns can destroy anyone life.
You almost know nothing about them !
They obstructed ,any construtive piece made by the Police
December 18th, 2007 at 11:18 am
murder
cover up
lies
neglect
bad parenting
perjury
hiding a body
fraud
talking bolox
causing disharmony to europes oldest allied countries
emotional distress to all the families
maligning the pjs
ruining murats and families lives……………….and more
IMO
December 18th, 2007 at 11:17 am
exellent ian 170 so you know as much as everyone else,…………nothing.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:14 am
Guilty of what Clouseau ?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Harry 163 - is it common practice for England to close their borders with Scotland and Wales when a child is missing?
Sorry - i didn’t see your answer?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Clouseau have you ever taken a polygraph test?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:12 am
got to go now babysitiing Grandkids….luckily only live at the bottom of the garden thats about 3 1/2 mccann miles….got my syringe and sedatives at the ready
December 18th, 2007 at 11:12 am
147 Why do I need to tell you?
We all know that there was no stranger abduction, insufficient time available.
The details of what happened and her whereabouts are unknown to us.
Luckily we dont have to prove what happened, just what couldnt have happened. The only alternative involves members of the T9, Kate being the prime suspect.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:12 am
rockhopper your to slow by a country mile i’ve already done the care in the community bollox and the other stuff….knobhead.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:10 am
163
again and again nobody can give a straight answer
they wont take a test because…………wait fot it
THERE GUILTY
December 18th, 2007 at 11:10 am
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bountyhunter Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 10:45 am
SOOTHSAYER
You effing fucker don’t call me a knobhead , you are a chareletan trying to take everybody for a ride . You know nothing, never have and never will, you are a stupid old macc troll, trying to sound impressive. You are trying to take down the Anorak site, you never will you frigging meathead, i think you are an old incontinent woman, so go piss yourself/
——————— And so say all of us.
Keep taking the medication/payments soofy. Are you out on day release or have you slipped throught the net completely? (a legacy of the Thatcher years, care in the community). Do you post bollox deliberatly or are you not capable of anything better?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:09 am
lol
Ian
December 18th, 2007 at 11:08 am
159 A part time locum GP!!! SIX BODIES!!!! I bet the GP practices she worked in are all wondering which of them had the 6 bodies! I have some knowledge in this area, it is incredibly unlikely - a locum keeps a practice ‘ticking over’.
Errr….BOLLOX! She thought she needed an excuse, panic set in - she increased the numbers a little (as liars often do).
Nice try though Ferdinand!
December 18th, 2007 at 11:07 am
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clouseau Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 10:58 am
ok harry whats your view why they wont take a polygrapgh test?
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No idea, may be because they are little used in Europe - have the PJ offered one? and they are unreliable.
When old Harry Hind Sight was studying in another jurisdction (best not to say where) he did a criminal evidence elective on polygraphs and other such “fail safe” ways of getting to the truth: I got to take one and I beat it - I was fairly pleased with myself until the copper supervising told me that sociopaths have about a 50% chance of beating it.
False negative, not to mention false positives
Truth or fiction what what hey hey
December 18th, 2007 at 11:06 am
must have missed your answer to 147 ian.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:06 am
Gerry
” ERM……….There is no reason to suggest that at the time, because at the time I was being too naive…….. to actuooally think that a predatooor was going to ” take” Madeleine…..on that night …..so I could not have suspected they were droogged……at the time she was taken…..Kate and I in hindsight remembered that there was soome people actuooally watching us at the time she was taken”
scratches left ear twice
Kate looks sideways down in the dock
December 18th, 2007 at 11:04 am
144 Quite possible. The playground photo looks fake (look at it and tell me its not ‘odd’!).
The last photo is suspect, there are no others?
I think this was meticulously planned, but the 3rd of may got spolied because of ‘Jes’ wandering around with his kiddie (’best laid plans of mice and men’!)
December 18th, 2007 at 11:04 am
140 Ian Says:
“I dont think her fellow inmates would be so respectful of the law as we are. She may well have learned some new tricks - but decided maybe she ought to be a bit more direct in her answers to the police.”
If she is involved then she is certainly tough - we should have learned that by now.
“I mean, surely a denial would be mroe sensible than trying to make such an excuse? It was as if she knew that there was a cadaver smell and an excuse was required.”
Don’t think that an excuse was really required, but if she had dealt with corpses, why not put that on record?
December 18th, 2007 at 11:04 am
145 jovial it is not bollox in the first degree it is, you must be care in the community, an advert for not.