Madeleine McCann: The Age Of Jose Anes, Gerry McCann’s Fury And Murat’s Nannies Know Best
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
THE SUN: “No one will ever stand trial”
Because no one has been charged with any crime?
Or: “NOBODY will EVER stand trial over missing Madeleine McCann because cops made so many vital blunders,” says the Sun. And so too says Jose Anes, 62: “Mistakes in the early hours demolished the entire case”
The ex-director of Lisbon’s police lab is “Portugal’s top forensic expert”, a billing the lab’s current director may dispute
Mr Anes says: “If the scene is not preserved in the first hours, all the hours of effort that follow are useless. I am utterly convinced — unless some new, concrete evidence suddenly emerges — the case will never reach trial”
But what of the evidence gathered so far, like the DNA samples found in the McCanns’ hire car?
“Maddie sniffer dog ‘was rigged’” - Gerry McCann is “FURIOUS” – as often he is. He “believes sniffer dogs used to find Maddie clues in the family’s hire car were MANIPULATED by cops”
Says a “source close to the couple”: “Gerry says a dog went up to the Scenic, sniffed around and went to head off. He watched the dog being brought back to the vehicle. Finally, it reacts around the boot area. Gerry was open-mouthed at that, he feels the dog was manoeuvred into a position where it could react”
And smell
“Murat pals ’saw him near flat’” – “SUSPECT Robert Murat was PALS with British holiday nannies who say they saw him the night Maddie vanished, it has emerged”
Good friends? “And at least two of the girls knew him well enough to be on first name terms”
That’s close, eh
“A source confirmed yesterday that he did befriend several girls, adding: ‘A lot are attractive and he made a beeline for them. When they were asked who was near the apartment that night, several mentioned Murat”
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine: Forensics expert says inquiry is ‘complete waste’ because of police blunders at apartment”
Says Jose Manuel Anes: “Huge amounts of money were spent but if, in the first hours, the due precautions for the preservation of the crime scene were not taken, all this hard work goes down the drain. We can spend rivers of money which will all go down the drain if the crime scene is not properly isolated”
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell says: “It is alarming to hear that Mr Anes has this view. All we want, and have done throughout, is to ensure the operational police side of this has been done in an effective and efficient manner as possible”
And why is Mr Anes – “the 62-year-old” - speaking out now? Because he’s making his comments known in a book called The McCanns’ Guilt – not that the case will ever, come to trial, you understand
“Madeleine: Gerry’s fury at ‘bungling’ dog handlers” – More Gerry McCann fury
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE COPS HIDE WITNESS”
Says the paper: “The key witness in the Madeleine McCann inquiry was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal” – Jane Tanner? Kate McCann? Gerry McCann? No, the unnamed Portuguese tapas waiter…
“Pals say he is terrified his identity is about to be revealed and claim he is also scared of British and Portuguese government influence in the probe…Friends add that he is worried about the private eyes hired by Gerry and Kate McCann, both 39, to help find their daughter”
One former work colleague of the waiter says: “He does not want to be involved in any of this. Through no fault of his own he finds himself at the heart of this worldwide mystery”
DAILY EXPRESS: “MADELEINE: WITNESS GOES ON THE RUN ‘TO PROTECT HIS EVIDENCE’”
“THE key witness in the missing Madeleine McCann case was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal”
“POLICE WERE ‘SIDETRACKED’ BY MCCANNS” - Former police crime scene chief Jose Manuel Anes is “ONE of Portugal’s top forensic experts”
The WORLD’S GREATEST NEWSPAPER investigates. Mr Anes is “71”
And “last night hinted that Kate and Gerry McCann were partly to blame for the flawed investigation into their daughter’s disappearance”. Although the Sun says it was those bungling Portuguese police (see above)?
“They should not have been thinking of the poor little parents but I understand the human dimension and the pressure which immediately involved the investigators. Sometimes the police are too human. The police must be absolutely objective. Somebody’s suggestions and complaints connected to a person’s disappearance should be set aside while the evidence is being gathered. In the moments immediately following the occurrence the goal is to gather everything and preserve everything”
Not bungling, rather too caring; too human
DAILY MIRROR: “McCann DNA clue ‘useless’”
Jose Manuel Anes is 62. He is the retired head of Portugal’s police science laboratory.
He tells the Mirror, and everyone else: “I fear the case will never reach trial” - and even if it did, no jury would be able to convict anyone.
BBC: Audience for BBC News 24 peaked in 2007 at 8.2 million in the week ending 1 July for the bomb attack on Glasgow Airport and at 7.9 million for the story of the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann in the week ending 13 May
Madeleine McCann: The ratings winner
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December 18th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
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Salomon ES
Yes it is very blurred. I think the PDL photos (all 5 of them) tell a tale of their own. Imagine…a family holiday and you can’t produce one photo of all 3 kids together?
On your theory that she is perhaps being held as part of a scam, that’s as good as any other theory. Like you say, it’s probably gone all pear shaped for the McScams and they don’t know how to get out of a huge hole.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
How do you know that QC? I really haven’t seen much about him. I take Stevo’s point. His presence is so obvious and well documented that if he was involved we’d know about it by now.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
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Hideki and Lilith
Hello everyone. Got my computer back so ill be popping in and out again!
There does seem to be some confusing interpretations in press reports due to translation - suitcase and plastic bag come to mind. So couldn’t the “balcony’ actually refer to the small platform at the top of the exterior rear stairs of the McCann,s apt?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
303 Ann
Didn’t your psychic friend come out with the farmhouse story around the time the Aztec towel/barn story surfaced? I re-read your posts on it and it was around that time you told us all about it. I wonder if your friend read the paper before her “reading”?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
301 Jez
Interestingly, I’ve emailed 2 papers and got no response or seen anything printed. I would have imagined a story like that would sell tons of papers. I wonder why the papers don’t want to go with something like that? I mean…it’s more interesting than regurgitating stories about rogatory letters isn’t it?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
…And if these are the McCann’s internet ‘aces’, is that ALL they have up their sleeves?
Rather worrying, especially as one of the aces now sees that the game she’s been playing has been rigged.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
The bald chap is a relation of Gerry’s.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Quick post between ” assignments”… someone asked why waiters would take so much notice of the comings and goings of diners, having done that job I can tell you that you tend to keep an eagle eye on people to see when they have finished one course and are ready for another, clear tables quickly for the next lot, try to shift “sitters” who would occupy a table all night with nowt but a coffee between them and so on. Also, if it is a small place, small hotel, holiday complex and the like, then you do get to know who people are, which part they are staying in and by default, you get to notice their movements.
Having kids, the infamous lot would have been fairly well confined to the complex I would have thought so their movements and who did what with whom (…that is always an interesting one !! ) would get noticed by waiting staff who are supposed to keep their mouths shut. “See All, Hear All….etc ”
Always amused me when waiting, the staff glide quietly between tables, dispensing food and drink and then glide off to the kitchen where it was always sheer mayhem !! Waiters getting in each other’s way, shouting at the cooks, Head Chef bellowing at everyone, the one we had was a Pole who screamed incomprehensible obscenities and demanded huge vats of “disinfection..” to be stood about the place as his “boys” were suffering from the smell. His “boys” were all Portuguese (..bit of synchronicity there ) who didn’t understand him or anyone else much for that matter so it was all a bit “Fawlty Towers” !!
December 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
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Salomon ES
“Stevo - I’ve been waiting for you.”
I’m honoured!
The photo of the bald guy is on Pamalam’s website: http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk.
I’m puzzled in many ways by the playground photo. The bald guy has some air of mystery around him but I don’t think he can be a suspect or suspicious because of that photo of him with Murat and the PJ. I think he’s just a bystander. Perhaps he’s a MW employee? I doubt he was a holidaymaker at the resort because of that photo of him with Murat and the PJ. If he was a significant character I’m sure we’d have heard about him by now. As to why he’s in the photo I think his own child is playing in the castle and that’s why we see a glimpse of a pink/purple colour in the castle.
I drew a few lines on an aerial photo of Ocean Club and estimate the shadows at 278 degrees. That means a time of approximately 7:30pm on May 3. 278 degrees is about 50 minutes short of sunset at an angle of 291 degrees.
We really need some evidence of times from the McCanns to corroborate this.
Dr Watson
I saw your example shadow picture from last night. The only thing with that is you chose an example with the sun directly behind the cameraman’s position so all shadows converged to the vanishing point. In the playground photo I don’t think the sun is directly behind because Gerry’s shadow would be more “vertical” and not as angled to the right. Point taken though but I think the only way to prove it all is to make a model and shine a light.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
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lilith Says:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mcannfrontES_468×234.jpg
Hideki
“No balcony.”
You have hit upon a very major point IMO. This shows the real significance of the waiter’s testimony that Kate shouted “they’ve taken her!” from a balcony. The press did not report from which balcony, but if the guy remembers seeing and hearing someone shout like that, he would have no trouble pointing to the particular balcony.
I wonder which apartment it was? Supposedly T9 rented 4 consecutive apartments (all ground floor?). But looking at the floorplan, I would wonder about Dianne Webster. Was she staying with the Paynes and their children, or was she staying separately with T10?
Was Kate on T10’s balcony?
Wherever she was, shouting from that balcony necessitates yet ANOTHER change in their story. She would have to say that she discovered Madeleine missing, and then first ran to that apartment (to inform them, I guess she’d say) and then went out on their balcony to sound an alarm.
What other apartment is possible? Wilkins/O’Donnell on the 4th floor? Not likely, but I wonder what floor it was and where in relation to Wilkins’ apartment.
Someone may have a cell phone photo or video of it, who knows?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
293 Stevo
Agreed. The UK press must be alerted to the possibility of fake pictures. If any of them were to take it on, just imagine the headline they would be able to run. Would sell a stack load of papers.
Perhaps just one will break ranks.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Stevo - not only is Madeleine’s righ foot… a left foot.
But also when you zoom in her right knee it looks like it was blurred.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
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Jane Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 12:34 am
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Garth Says:
They dont like me because I do what this site is all about……..ridicule! And with regards to shutters, I know what I’m talking about. Im in construction and have been for years!
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I like you, Garth! Like your postings too - some are ace. Had a quick read of your posts on the shutters/Kate’s response/TB’s replies and I think you’re doing a great job of blowing holes in TB’s red herrings and obfuscations. Keep up the good work.
Very little time to post or read tonight - had to work late. Hope to post tomorrow.
Maria: Ace postings from you too
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Jane Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Meejician:
It has also put into some doubt my own trust in an old friend. I don’t like those who rewrite their own histories, for their own purposes.
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As it’s fairly obvious who your ‘old friend’, AN Other, may be, I am astounded that you would post this to the internet.
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So, Jane, let me ask you, too, the question still unanswered by Maria:
Have you ever met or communicated directly with Kate or Gerry McCann, or with anyone that you know to have met or spoken directly to the McCann parents?
I guess, in fact, the answer is pretty plain from the posts above.
My bottom line, really, is: how far are ‘ace’ posters such as Jane, Maria and Garth (who I think lives near Rothley, and perhaps knows quite a bit about double-glazing too) not in fact the neutral ‘rational’ and unconnected observers they here present themselves as being, but themselves ‘members’ (paid-up or volunteer) of Team McCann itself?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
off to see my sons play a lion and a panda in the nativity play!!!??
PC gone mad!!!!
and its a catholic play
December 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Stevo - I’ve been waiting for you.
I didn’t get your answer yesterday concerning the bald man in the playground picture.
He was also photographed days after Madeleine disappeared walking next to Robert Murat. I can’t find the old picture that was posted on paulo reis site.
At that time, paulo reis wrote that there was sufficient evidence that Murat travelled to the UK (alone) , and returned to Portugal just a few days before Madeleine disappeared together with someone. I think it was suggested that this someone was the bloke in the picture.
Have you any idea who this man is and why is he in this picture?
December 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
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Brandonflours
Brilliant.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
swing a long
re Teddy yes he adds a certain flare to this forum, dunno where he is, I am far too busy missing my lone pigeon!! sob !
December 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
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Meejician Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
273
“whereas Harry keeps spouting legalese Latin - and getting it wrong”
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Further and better particulars, or as we now say in these less colourful times “further information” as to this allegation please - what legalese Latin has old Harry Hind Sight got wrong what what.
I suggest that you consider withdrawing the allegation by entering a relicta verificatione post haste - shall we will revert to the pre 1856 rules of pleading what what
December 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
290 Jez
The entire McAlibi relies on the alleged photo at 2:29pm and Payne checking on Kate/the kids at 6:30pm. Take those out of the equation and there’s not much to say Madeleine was around on May 3.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Ian
Looking at Madeleine’s right leg in the playground pic, it actually looks more like a left shoe than a right shoe. The angle is certainly very weird.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Brandon Flowers - have you any idea where Teddy Boy has been hiding?
THis place is not the same without him (with all respect for the other posters).
Now… for some serious business:
1) - - -Harry and Increasingly whatever - you are either the same person or share the same small brain. Either way you’re not very well informed and you’re as exciting as watching paint dry. Piss off to your room and satisfy each other / yourself.
2) - - - Ian, no point in keeping a serious argument going on here. these people are clearly behind when it comes to Madeleine knowledge.
3) - - - Salomon you’re boring my head off.
4) - - - Shylock stop having a go at the press, without them we wouldn’t be here.
5) - - - Bob Murat, the Drs and the old lass (somoeone’s mum) were all swingers and swingerettes
6) - - - Amaral was a swingaholic himself that’s why he was removed from the case (conflict of interests)
7) - - - I’d be surprised if Alipio is not a bit of a swinger himself.
Forget the Masons and the Knights of Malta. This is the largest conspiracy of swingers in the universe.
IMPORTANT: If you are by any means offended by my contribution or wish to pursue defamation charges you are free to contact me on lordofswing@swingersunited.co.uk
December 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Disregarding the photoshop picture and the TP8, is there any published evidence of anyone seeing MM on May 3rd. BOD didn’t see her.
December 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
254 Harry
260 Sherlock
‘From Wikipedia
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[edit] England’s Child Rescue Alert system
England has developed the Child Rescue Alert, similar to the American AMBER Alert…
There are four key criteria in England’s Child Rescue Alert system to be met before a Child Rescue Alert is issued
1 The child is apparently under 18 years old.
2 There is a reasonable belief that the child has been kidnapped or abducted.
3 There is reasonable belief that the child is in imminent danger of serious harm or death, and
4 There is sufficient information available to enable the public to assist police in locating the child.
UNQUOTE
1 Yes
2 “reasonable belief ?” No.. Assertion by two people who have no evidence - Yes.
3 No. She is being “treated like a princess”, according to the two people at 2 above.
4 No.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
meejician
you can stuff my goose any day
December 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
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brandon flours Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Harry makes Garthy look intelligent
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At least Garthy knows he’s thick, whereas Harry keeps spouting legalese Latin - and getting it wrong.
If there’s anything more annoying that a forum yob, it’s a pretentious forum yob (without ‘class’) And the number of forum yobs with Scottish accents (see soothsayer earlier on about God and Govan) is starting to worry me. Unless, of course it’s just young MacCrae’s pal(s) working from that outlet in Ullapool.
BTW -= well spotted on Murat and Payne. I reckon you’ve hit the nail on the head re the nannies’ evidence.
Going out to buy a large knife to carve the Christmas goose with. Any suggestions which Christmas goose (or turkey) gets it?
See you later………
December 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
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Ian Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
276 Dont you hope!
Earlier I asked a legal question, as you speak as if you have some legal background can you explain why is it that Jane Tanner, Kate cCann and Gerry McCann, if considered both defendants and key witnesses for both defence and prosecution, would cause difficluties in a court in England and Wales?
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Privilege against self incrimination - competent but not compellable what what hey hey
No more Phipsons eh
December 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
283 You dont know about the picture manipulation?
What other key evidence have you missed!
December 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
277 Luckily you have no input to the case!
Regardless of the legalities, they will never be proven innocent and will be forever, rightly or wrongly, considered guiltyof a most heinous crime in the public’s eye .
December 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
“Why would this discredit the investigation?”
Becuase - what stopped them? We know - because he’s gone on the record - the the Prosecutor has so far refused to authorise furher questioning in the absence of “hard evidence”
So, it seems the Head of the PJ was saying that, but his officers can’t produce that evidence.
Not suggestive he’s on top of matters, is it?
“What other observed and objective fact that is so obviously discrediting the portuguese investigation do you mean?”
The absence of PJ detectives in Engalnd, the public refusal of the prosecutor to authorise such questioning, the collapse of the forensic case, the doubts expressed by the Portuguese Attorney General….
Now, contrast that with the case that exists against the McCanns, excepting “tabloid hype”
“and focus on respectable international publications”
Such as? After all, let’s rcall “France Soir” was convinced it’s seen a forensic report which showed that Madeleine’s stomach contents had been identified in the Hire Car, containing a high concentration of sedatives….
What makes you think that the French, German or ther press is one iota more competent/objective?
“And - whilst we are talking about observed facts - do you think that the pictures produced by the McCanns were manipulated or not?”
What pictures are these?
December 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Ferdinand Says:
December 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
261 Harry Hind Sight Says:
“I beg to differ, it is game wholly without rules”
I think I have detected some rules,
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Indeed - I should have realised that we had adopted the EU’s 5th Protocol on the admissibility of idle tabloid gossip as evidence, subject of course to its various savings and transitional provisions; and an overriding fair user discretionary power, which I now apply to exclude this tripe