Madeleine McCann: Grief, Hundreds Of Witnesses And Hope
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE – Saddest day ever as grief experts help her desperate parents”
So says “THE WORLD’S GREATEST NEWSPAPER”
DAILY MIRROR front page: “347 NEW MADDY CLUES - Hundreds call hotline after McCanns’ TV appeal”
The paper says each caller is a potential new witness. Each witness waiting to tell their story to the papers
“Private detectives who are hunting the missing four-year-old say the calls have thrown up a number of ‘significant’ new leads” – The same private detectives who said they would find Madeline by Christmas in Morocco, by a road in Portugal…
A friend of the McCanns says: “There has been a flood of calls which may contain crucial clues. Kate and Gerry are very encouraged”
Or may not
THE SUN: “Xmas prayers for Maddie”
“ANGUISHED Kate and Gerry McCann hid their torment yesterday as they took their twins to Christmas Mass”
We are invited to watch. Gerry McCann has dolls in his pockets. He swings his children along
An onlooker says: “They were doing their best to put on a united display, but not having Madeleine by their side must have been tearing them apart. The look in Kate’s eyes said it all – she was a mother who just wanted to be reunited with her daughter for Christmas. The twins must so miss their big sister. It was such an ordinary scene, but behind the smiles there was so much pain. They put such a brave face on for their twins. Everyone’s heart goes out to them”
So say the onlooker. Such are the facts
Says Gerry McCann: “Madeleine should not be spending Christmas away from her loving family. The person who took her has it in their power to end our suffering and will be able to appease their conscience – especially at this time of year. Christmas will be a very quiet affair for our family without Madeleine present.”
“Maddie TV plea: 347 calls taken”. The McCanns are “anguished”. They are “doctors”. Facts.
DAILY MAIL: “Parents’ outrage as son walks half a mile home from nursery alone”
“Finley Cracknell pushed open a fire exit, clambered over a 2ft fence, walked through the front gate of the nursery and then toddled on to the pavement.” He walked homw.
Says his mum Sarah: “I went through half an hour of what Madeleine McCann’s parents must be going through 24 hours a day”
Sarah has not been named as a suspect in her child’s disappearance
“’We’ll NEVER give up looking for Maddie,’ say McCanns after saying Christmas Day prayers for her” – Gerry and Kate McCann are on their way to church
Robert Murat “spent Christmas in Praia da Luz with his elderly mother Jennifer”. No church. No cameras. No blog…
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns ‘will never give up on Madeleine’”
Janet Kennedy, Mrs McCann’s aunt, says: “The [family] motto has changed. Rather than not leaving any stone unturned, it is that we never, never give up hope”
She adds: “People have been so supportive and that support has not waned. People still come up to us, particularly at this time of year, and say their thoughts are with us. It’s quite amazing. Eight months is a long time and it has been constant”
THE TIMES: “We still have hope, say the McCanns”
Madeleine McCann - a year of specualtion
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December 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
614 Peter O Says: December 28th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
614 Hideki Says: December 28th, 2007 at 11:44 am
613 Peter O Says:
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Mods and Admin
Peter O, I have removed the post from Hideki to which you are responding, and wait for comment from Admin on the matter
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Mods and Admin – Hideki’s twisted misrepresentations are probably best left as evidence of just how “balanced” all of their postings are likely to be, in my opinion of course.
December 28th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
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Peter O
Mods and Admin
“Peter O, I have removed the post from Hideki to which you are responding, and wait for comment from Admin on the matter”
Terrific! But you do not explain WHY you have removed a post. What is your reason?
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OTT, but we do NOT have to give a reason just the fact that it has been removed. We don’t have to justify our reasons to anyone but Admin, the final decision is theirs.
December 28th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Mods and Admin at 597 Totje
Totje , you cannot exclude of people in an open Opinions or comments forum. Conversations of one point of view only lead nowhere. And who exactly decides who is trolling? A different point of view is NOT trolling. If you wish for a pro McCann thread only there are other threads, but do not make the mistake that a Chairperson or Moderator will allow only one side of a discussion.
After all do you welcome your point of view being dismissed out of hand?
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No, I like the debate and don’t want a proMcCann tread [hate that term!]. How on earth did you get that impression? Debating with people who share the same opinion is nice, but no challenge! And we won’t achieve anything [as far as we can achieve anything, because we don't know all/the real facts]. My remark wasn’t meant to sound as a complaint. But when we ALL are able to discuss something and close the subject [with or without consensus] that would be helpful imo to prevent distractions. And running around in circles [remember the body found somewhere in Portugal that came back a couple of times, while it was already clear that was an adult?] Have a look at my post 406 to the clown. That’s what I mean by closure, free for all to pick whatever reason/solution they want!
What I don’t like is some people over here getting abusive [in more then one way]. Nevertheless, it seems we have to get used to it and grow a thick skin.
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Mods and Admin
The point has been raised with Admin, and they are not prepared to go along with it.
I’m afraid the distractions will have to be endured. We don’t like the abuse, but it also happens both ways.
In addition , you, Daisy and Cheryl are not UK citizens or subjects - if more than 3 people are discussing a closed conversation in public they are regarded as conspiring, which is why heckling is always allowed and welcomed.
The only way you could have an uninterrupted private conversation would be by email or phone.
However these threads are established ONLY as speculation anyway,they are not part of evidence,the only people who have full knowledge are the PJ and the Magistrates, and whoever the perpetrators are in the fact that Madeleine is missing.
It won’t make an iota of difference to criminal proceedings whatever is said on these threads, or by whom.
December 28th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
614 Hideki Says: December 28th, 2007 at 11:44 am
613 Peter O Says:
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You have nothing to back up your repeated accusations against posters other than your own twisted perversion of their words. You haven’t exposed anybody other than yourself Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.
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Mods and Admin
Peter O, I have removed the post from Hideki to which you are responding, and wait for comment from Admin on the matter
December 28th, 2007 at 11:44 am
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Peter O Says:
“You have nothing to back up your repeated accusations against posters other than…”
Other than quoting from your own posts to show exactly how you are furthering the Team McCann agenda. YOU, on the other hand, DO NOT back up your hysterical claims.
And isn’t it odd that you become so hysterical over a mere opinion that you are a Team McCann player?. Why do you insist on using the word “accusation” rather than “opinion”? Is this your tacit admission that Team McCann members are criminals or co-conspirators?
I know who you are, PeterO. You can’t fool me! Now, get back to your girls and make sure their posts are coordinated better. No one likes a whore with no rhythm. lmao@PeterHo
December 28th, 2007 at 8:16 am
612 Hideki Says: December 28th, 2007 at 12:21 am
609 PeterO Says: December 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
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You have nothing to back up your repeated accusations against posters other than your own twisted perversion of their words. You haven’t exposed anybody other than yourself Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.
December 28th, 2007 at 12:21 am
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PeterO Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
“You have nothing to back up your repeated accusations against posters other than your own twisted perversion of their words. ”
Talk about “repeated” — you have made this ranting unsubstantiated attack on me over and over, pasting it to every possible thread. I backed up my OPINION that you are directing the other pro-McConn posters on this forum.
“You haven’t exposed anybody other than yourself Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.”
Even in one post you are being overly redundant, repeating yourself ad nauseum. If that does not sound like Team McCann, what does? It’s positively LUDICROUS, PimperO.
Say hello to Gerry for us, OK?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Mods and Admin
Cheryl, that sort of idea can only work in a private forum,there is absolutely no way that 3 parttime unpaid Moderators can even hope to attempt to control events. Seriously though this is NOT a debateable issue is it? maybe findings on a possible court case may be, but its all conjecture as regards the Madeleine situation.
But, for instance, if it were a possibility which posters were you thinking should be excluded? and why , and who ‘permitted’ to speak?
In the UK hecklers are expected, not banned , look what happened to New Labour when they tried to eject Mr Wolfgang, and he wasn’t regarded byJoe Public as a troll, just someone who had been denied FREE speech in Nazi Germany.
Sorry guys, you’ll have to put up with opposing views, no one called Mao on this site
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REPLY: Sorry Mods and Admin - With all due respect just drop it and don’t worry about it. You have totally misinterpretated and misunderstood an idea I was talking about with Daisy on how there could be a way we could ALL work together on here even with differing views without the nastiness, infighting, etc. etc. etc. there is now.
Sorry I can’t resist this ( you got me on a very bad day) - this is a prime example of being misinterpreted, conclusions being jumped to…
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Your request for a closed discussion has been put up to Admin, but bear in mind that 4 or a few more posters who share opinions are not debating , they are only back patting and agreeing.
I have not misunderstood what your intentions are. And ‘work together’ towards what? the Malta and Morocco threads have been ‘working together’ for months, and apart from agreeing with each, which they have done all along have achieved zilch.
This is not politics or anything else, its the loss of a young child in the consensual absence of her parents or anyone else in loco parentis.
No one is stopping anyone of you from expressing your opinions on this matter, why do you need exclusivity?
December 27th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Mods and Admin
Totje , you cannot exclude of people in an open Opinions or comments forum. Conversations of one point of view only lead nowhere. And who exactly decides who is trolling? A different point of view is NOT trolling. If you wish for a pro McCann thread only there are other threads, but do not make the mistake that a Chairperson or Moderator will allow only one side of a discussion.
After all do you welcome your point of view being dismissed out of hand?
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REPLY: That was my idea, Ops and Mods - the other night late Diasy and I were talking and I mentioned it if this was more organized and we had a chairman that it would give both sides a chance to say their thoughts, without infighting, and all ideas/suggestions noted. Doesn’t matter it was more complicated than that to put into action and I realized it would never work on here. There was NO INTENT it would be one sided, it was an idea I was playing around with so that BOTH sides could exchange points back and forth and the nastiness and other crap that goes on wouldn’t be necessary as we’d all be working, one would hope as adults, in a forum like setting sorting things out.
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Mods and Admin
Cheryl, that sort of idea can only work in a private forum,there is absolutely no way that 3 parttime unpaid Moderators can even hope to attempt to control events. Seriously though this is NOT a debateable issue is it? maybe findings on a possible court case may be, but its all conjecture as regards the Madeleine situation.
But, for instance, if it were a possibility which posters were you thinking should be excluded? and why , and who ‘permitted’ to speak?
In the UK hecklers are expected, not banned , look what happened to New Labour when they tried to eject Mr Wolfgang, and he wasn’t regarded byJoe Public as a troll, just someone who had been denied FREE speech in Nazi Germany.
Sorry guys, you’ll have to put up with opposing views, no one called Mao on this site
December 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
607 Hideki Says: December 27th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
605 Peter O Says: December 27th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
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You have nothing to back up your repeated accusations against posters other than your own twisted perversion of their words. You haven’t exposed anybody other than yourself Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
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Peter O Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
“Edited lies and deceit from Hideki”
Edited? You mean that you OMITTED my quotes of your posts that back up my opinion that you are nothing but a Team McCann Pimp.
“Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.”
Petero, you are a pathetic pimp who has plagiarized my posts, and who never bothers to back up unsubstantiated accusations such as this one.
[from the blue bag thread]
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Peter O Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
“Perhaps you are blinded by your hatred of the McCann’s and are unable to comprehend that bizarre and unacceptable as their child minding arrangements are, they may sadly not fall foul of any legal child neglect laws. Perhaps on the other hand, you are indeed a paid pro-McCann poster…”
And perhaps you are a Team McCann Pimp, helping to direct disruption and distraction in the Internet forums. Hard to believe that you actually cannot distinguish betweeen ‘blind hatred’ of the McCanns and ‘blind support’ of the McCanns.
For the record, I do not “HATE KATE” — but I do utterly despise both her and her creepy husband. And I sincerely hope and pray that they are sentenced to the longest possible prison term.
How about you, PeterO? What’s your “agenda”? Every time I expose you, you come back with a few posts pretending to criticize the McCanns, but the criticism always falls short and rings hollow. You even think that their child neglect “may not” have violated the law!
Hey Pimpo, if you see Clarence tommorrow, give him my regards. And tell Kate she is right to long for a bust. LOL.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
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Remigius Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
“SOUNDS like she’s talking to GM, doesn’t it? Or maybe to Tapas 10….”
You are saying that Kate’s words are a plea to the others to just ’spill the beans’ and be done with it? But Kate did not write the script, did she? She is just saying what she is told to say.
Remigius: And again, from the BBC:
Speaking directly to Madeleine, Kate McCann said it “seems unlikely that you’ll hear this but, just in case, it’s Mummy and Daddy here…
“Just know how much we love you, Madeleine. We all miss you so much.”
“It’s “unlikely?” How so? Surely, if she’s a “princess” being kept in a “castle” like GM says, that castle has a TV! And if Metodo knows with such great certainty where she is, surely Metodo can get a message to Madeleine. ”
I had thought that her “it’s unlikely” comment is meant as a cover for her first failure to address Madeleine directly , when asked to do so at the end of the first interview. Now she is , in effect , saying that she could not do so because she doubted that Madeleine was watching.
But I agree that she has no basis to say “unlikely” and that her comments seemed as if they could be directed at Tapas10, for example the remarks about “misguided loyalty”.
If the comments were directed at Gerry/Tapas10, and Kate is repeating what she is told, then we must ask WHO wrote that script? Is it the same person responsible for the “Twin Peaks” and “Heroin” soundtracks in the Panorama video? It smells of high level manipulation, doesn’t it?
December 27th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
579 Hideki Says: December 27th, 2007 at 6:58 am
339 Peter O Says:
Edited lies and deceit from Hideki
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Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
580 Hideki Says: December 27th, 2007 at 7:10 am
[from blue bag thread]
761 Remigius Says: December 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
758 Hideki
“Hideki,
Waste not y0ur breath. It’s good to correct the lies.
But what they seek is to engage you away from analyzing theories involving homicide.
By the way, my neighbor’s pet snake Irma is missing. Shall we call Metodo?
Didn’t they say Madeliene was coming home by Christmas? Perhaps they meant “next” Christmas….
This whole thing with the telephone tips is simply to create diversion, just as your attackers are doing here. The tel tip thing is simply a created ruse to enable Team McCann to complain that the PJ are just focusing on the McCanns and that bloody blue bag, and just ignoring all the…the…evidence! No wonder they haven’t found Madeleine yet! THey need to track down and interview some 350-plus “callers!” with “tips!”
Just a ruse.
Blue bag, blue bag…..Focus on that.”
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Thanks for the tip. I think they would like to divert attention to the proving of who lied, etc. Petero has said I lied about his posts. But if anyone cares enough, they can go back and read the threads.
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Hideki, you are a liar, and very probably a troll, who twists and misrepresents other posters words to suit your own agenda.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
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Judith C Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
(382) Stevo
“I appreciate we can have differences of opinion on this and contrary to Judith C’s snide remarks…”
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EDIT: from my Post 369: “But some people (not you) unless they thought of it themselves, don’t want to hear any pertinent observation from anyone but themselves, especially if it relates to photos.” END
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Is it that you read your name into every Post Stevo whether it’s there or not?
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REPLY to Judith C — You only tend to lose your credibility by denying that your remark was aimed at Stevo, as he has been focusing on photos. As a general comment, yes it is true, egotism will affect everyone and sometimes prevent us from readily accepting another view. Stevo is no exception. But you are clearly NOT making a general comment (hence you hasten to add “not you” in parentheses).
How ironic that your own little game of sniping at Stevo and then denying that you sniped is your form of egotistical posting. As I said, it detracts from your more insightful comments (about the Barbie dolls, for example).
BTW , I agree that there are age discrepancies in the photos, and I think that Stevo has not noticed them. And yes, ego could play a part in why he did not notice them. But even if so, this is to be expected, it’s normal, and is nothing to criticize a person for. Rather, you should just state clearly your reasoning and perhaps upon reflection Stevo (and others) will agree with us on the issue. JMO 4u.
December 27th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
From the BBC:
Appealing for information, Kate McCann said: “You must understand that you hold the key to ending all this despair and anguish, for both us and Madeleine.”
SOUNDS like she’s talking to GM, doesn’t it? Or maybe to Tapas 10….
And again, from the BBC:
Speaking directly to Madeleine, Kate McCann said it “seems unlikely that you’ll hear this but, just in case, it’s Mummy and Daddy here…
“Just know how much we love you, Madeleine. We all miss you so much.”
It’s “unlikely?” How so? Surely, if she’s a “princess” being kept in a “castle” like GM says, that castle has a TV! And if Metodo knows with such great certainty where she is, surely Metodo can get a message to Madeleine.
I mean, come on already. The British need to open an inquiry into all this, if only on the grounds of fraud. Tony Bennett, where are you?
December 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
583 Ferdinand
What you’re missing is that Spudgun’s point is that the McCanns were NOT imprisoned for their alleged neglect of Madeleine and as a precursor to naming them arguidos in her disappearance, although that could have very easily (and quite typically) have been the case, and IS in fact the case for other Brits abroad.
The kind of British Gov intervention the McCanns enjoyed is almost unheard of. It indicates big favors from high places. And the McCanns, their team and their “family” have admitted as much.
Moreover, the foreign office letter from the British diplomat published last month in the Dutch newspapers speaks for itself, and speaks volumes as well
December 27th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Robert Murat “spent Christmas in Praia da Luz with his elderly mother Jennifer”. No church. No cameras. No blog…
Well, hullo, why would he? He has no need to keep his famillies face in the paper!! duh! In fact the sooner the world forgets his name the better for him.
Now in the Mccann’s case - Cameras. Blog. Publicity… lest we forget that their daughter is still missing. Whatever we think of them, Madeleines future depends on them being in the papers as much as possible, however irritating the world’s bloggers find them.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
598 Totje Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
589
Ferdinand f) M3 is provided with the intelligence necessary for such a job by another party
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I should have read all the posts before answering Cheryl…. Yes, your answer sounds reasonable too. I’ll keep it in mind
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Sorry, to soon pushed the send button. Part of my sentence missing.
“I should have read all the posts before answering Cheryl…. Yes, your answer
could be a sinister explanation, however it could also be “innocent” like e.g. MI5/6/7/8/9…. helping the McCanns and/or M3 because another [hostile?] intelligence organisation or terrorists are involved. So you answer
sounds reasonable too. I’ll keep it in mind”
December 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
590
Yes, there’s a deep hatred towards children in the UK.
Some years ago I travelled through the UK .
When I did the planning, I had to realize most B&B don’t accept children under 12.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
589
Ferdinand f) M3 is provided with the intelligence necessary for such a job by another party
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I should have read all the posts before answering Cheryl…. Yes, your answer sounds reasonable too. I’ll keep it in mind.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Daisy, and might I add
577 Cheryl said:
(…) Just study the words that comes out of their mouths and that will tell you the kind of person they are inside. Don’t forget - words speak volumes about the person saying them!
and she’s right. As a non native english speaking [and the last couple of years seldom english writing] person it’s sometimes difficult for me to find the right words or the way to express my opinion, or make a sarcastic remark [which isn't always understood as it is meant]. You are so good in expressing yourself and your opinions and defending them, and I loved your exchange with Garth. Reposted your post 106 also.
As I’ve said a couple of times [and Cheryl or was it Jane?] also in the last tread, it’s a pity we don’t have a chairman who can lead the discussion point by point and buzz off the abusing intruders.
Some people [who can't debate or as soon as they can't win the discussion] call other people names, like trolls [which I think THEY are], promccannics etc. Or they get abusive. I’ve had plenty of speculations about my name [liked that, kept them guessing and if they knew my real name, I'm sure some songs would be posted also
]. I’ve had people abusing me and even one poster threatening me. I felt hurt, until I realized they’re not my friends, so why should I care? Focus on the posters who’s posts you like, and with whom you want to exchange idea’s or thoughts.
Oh and btw Ade isn’t that bad, and I guess his remark was the drop that caused the buckett to overflow [dutch translated into english, so don't know if it's a existing proverb]. It took me a while to understand Ade’s kind of humour [as some people over here sometimes don't understand mine]. Garth and Ade helped me make the smiley’s. We can’t see eachother, so no body-language, no facial expressions, makes communication sometimes very difficult.
So ignore the trolls and/or use the french way of dealing with those people: shrug your shoulders and say phphphphphph [and post it]. Trust me it works, they can’t say anything to that
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Mods and Admin
Totje , you cannot exclude of people in an open Opinions or comments forum. Conversations of one point of view only lead nowhere. And who exactly decides who is trolling? A different point of view is NOT trolling. If you wish for a pro McCann thread only there are other threads, but do not make the mistake that a Chairperson or Moderator will allow only one side of a discussion.
After all do you welcome your point of view being dismissed out of hand?
December 27th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
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Daisy, please don’t go. That’s the way some people chase away posters with another view and down-to-earth realism. The’re also many people who do appreciate your posts. Can’t you ignore the teasers?
December 27th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
571 Cheryl
406 Totje
352 the clown with the frown Says:
WHY ARE THE MC’S PAYING M3 £50 OR MORE A MONTH FOR 6 MONTHS TO DO A JOB THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE OF DOING?????????
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Sorry, I overlooked your post[s]. I don’t know the answer. I guess we’re all wondering about that. I’m guessing when I say
a] they offered their services and pretended to be a professional firm and the McCanns c.s. were naïve or other firms were even more expensive
b] someone already uses M3 for another purpose and asked them if they knew a PI to find Madeleine. And boasting Marco said they could do it. And because they did the other job well, the McCanns c.s. believed them
More sinister explanations already discussed here, are:
c] money-laundering
d] it’s a money scam, MM is safe and sound and will soon be returned by M3
e] it’s a set-up to “find” MM’s body somewhere [Portugal/Morocco]
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REPLY: Totje, I read some time ago in the newspapers that A and B are the correct answer; however, considering some people have underestimated the intelligence of people on here, one could think c, d and e are the correct ones.
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Cheryl, thanks for replying.
In all fairness I’d say answer B is imo probably the most correct answer [as I've proposed/stated when this was discussed a while ago], nevertheless it would be unfair not to mention the other possibilities which were discussed over here.
December 27th, 2007 at 10:24 am
As a footnote…I do accept that there are parents out there who just use ADHD labels to excuse their children’s bad behaviour and they definitley are bad parents but also, why would I, who have raised five children anyway, put myself through the torture of raising a child with such a problem when I could have just taken the easy way out and done what his Mother was going to do and give him up to the Social Services ? Not my problem…..all my kids had left home by then anyway, why would I want to screw up my life ? and Best-Beloved isn’t even his kin so he deserves a chest-full of medals for helping take him on.
I shudder to think where he would be now, or what sort of a person he would be, as it is, he is a great kid, very much admired by all who know him for the way he has forged his way through school and is now in College where he also gets support so all you name-callers out there, get educated and don’t be so ready to “dis” something you know naff-all about
December 27th, 2007 at 10:10 am
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Tony Bennett Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 9:18 am
I do not buy so-called ‘ADHD’ syndrome
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Oh Tony !! I respect your views and postings but PLEASE don’t get started on a subject you have no knowledge of. Living with a child like my Grandson who was a classic example of same has been very trying at times, especially when the only solution the “experts” came up with was to put him on Ritalin. I refused point-blank as Ritalin is a hard drug and has long-term, devastating side effects. They even went so far as to say that if I didn’t do that, he couldn’t have a Statement for school, but I persevered with diet, Homeopathic remedies and Omega 3 all of which keep him ” normal” and - in the early days - we used a small electronic device, recommended at the Alternative Therapy Clinic he was attending, which worked so well that the aforesaid “experts” actually used him as a case study, so impressed were they with the results, and they added the device to their list of recommended treatments.
I soon know if he hasn’t been taken his remedies and the effects of not taking the Omega 3 are astounding as he gets worse on a daily basis, and - now that he is 16, I can’t be doing with that !!
All this cods-wallop about “good-parenting” is insulting to the poor beggars who have a child with this disorder. You can be a wonderful parent but if they are really chronically affected it desroys your own relationship with them and within the family circle as well. The High School he went to were quite happy to accept - and make allowances for - the child with Aspergers, the child with Tourettes and so on as they are blatantly obvious but - as anyone with an ADHD child will tell you, these kids are just deemed ” naughty” or “disruptive” and they are the ones that end up with the after-school detentions and punishments so a few other mothers and I got together with the school and demanded they have some instruction in the condition and how to deal with it and they had some people from the Clinic in Norwich come there to give them some advice and lectures and so on, and all of a sudden, the list of children they had to pay extra-special attention to, grew and I am happy to say that these kids are now receiving the attention and instruction they need, and their level of education is rising accordingly.
December 27th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Hideki/Stevo/Doc Watson. Many more. Only one decision to be made. Priming or posting?
December 27th, 2007 at 9:57 am
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i-dont-believe-them Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Ann - 576
You posted:
“and one of my own children had to have sedation for a period of time just to give me some peace because he would wake up and cry and call out and generally disrupt the household,”
No young child HAS to be sedated. Children need good parenting. Why didnt you post that YOU know what it is like to be rubbish parents, like the McCanns, because you’re a rubbish parent too. Shame on you for drugging your chiild. Sadly, the McCann’s parenting ’skills’ are matched by many in the UK.
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Sorry to disagree but this was at the Doctor’s suggestion and no amount of “good parenting” was going to sort this mini-monster out and I am sorry but I do not accept that I am a “rubbish parent” that is beyond insulting as you have absolutely no knowledge of my circumstances !!
Obviously you are either not a parent or your children are perfect little angels, a rare breed. As it happens, this boy has developed into a paranoid schizophrenic and is “lost ” to me. You cannot know the pain of dealing with a child and then an adult, with a mental condition like that and I have blamed myself endlessly, “what did I do wrong ? ” ” what could I have done differently ?” but this was on the cards from the start and is an illness over which I had no control.
I did not “drug” the child, nor do I feel any shame for doing what was done. This was with the help, advice and supervision of the Doctor and was for a comparatively short time…not that it is any business of a sanctimonious ignoramus like you !!
There are parents out there who - out of desperation - will go to several Pharmacies, buy up the various brews available there and dose their children to the gills just to get some respite, at least I had the sense to ask a Doctor. Also this is why I firmly believe the twins and Madeleine may very well have been does as Kate and Gerry - being Doctors - must be fullwellaware of what is available from their surgery drug cupboard .
I would ask for an apology but I guess from what you say and how you say it, that you can never be wrong so that would be beyond you.
December 27th, 2007 at 9:52 am
587 Tony Bennett
There deep current of child-hatred in the UK - which is why so many people here don’t see anything wrong with the McCanns and how they treated their children. Why would a parent kill their daughter when it is socially acceptable to drug and ignore her?
While there are many, many good parents here in Britain, this is the country that invented the Nanny, the full-time boarding school, and television. It sends it children to full time education at 4 wearing suits and ties, and has a maths ‘curriculum’ for tw0 year-olds. There are alot of people in Britain who will do anything NOT to interact with their children. The McCanns were one such family.
Tony Bennett: You keep going! I am with you.
December 27th, 2007 at 9:20 am
352 the clown with the frown Says:
“WHY ARE THE MC’S PAYING M3 £50 OR MORE A MONTH FOR 6 MONTHS TO DO A JOB THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE OF DOING?????????”
407 Totje Says:
“More sinister explanations already discussed here, are:
c] money-laundering
d] it’s a money scam, MM is safe and sound and will soon be returned by M3
e] it’s a set-up to “find” MM’s body somewhere [Portugal/Morocco]”
f) M3 is provided with the intelligence necessary for such a job by another party.
December 27th, 2007 at 9:18 am
587 i-don’t-believe-them
576 Ann
Ann wrote: “It may sound horrible but looking at a photo of her does not fill me with warm, Motherly gooey feelings, I feel a certain “..yes madam, I can see JUST what you are like!!” and I am certain - even without knowing any of them personally - that Kate would have lost her temper with her on more than one occasion, these type of children can wear you out to the point of flipping…”
REPLY: Like ‘i-don’t-believe-them’, though I wouldn’t express my views in the same way, I am not convinced that *any* child needs sedation in the form of drugs. They need attention, comfort, security, love. I do not buy so-called ‘ADHD’ syndrome either, save that hyperactivity can be caused by lack of attention, lack of proper discipline, other dysfunction in the family, or possibly an excess of food and drink with additives. I am shocked at the vast number of children in the Western world prescribed Ritalin or alternatives.
That said, of course there are severely mentally handicapped, autistic children or others with severe physical handicaps who require way above the normal degree of parental attention and in those cases the parent needs respite and help, but *not* IMO sedative drugs.
I’m sorry, Ann, I cannot really connect with what you say about Madeleine. Glimpses of her from videos and photos show her, to my mind, as a child with some spirit and a sense of fun, I don’t see problems. I found that last video of her on the airport bus, which was posted on You Tube, very sad - her mother was stroking the twins affectionately, her father was moodily turned away from her swearing, and she was set apart on her own, swinging her legs, with no adult being warm towards her.
One of the most disturbing things I read about the case was early on, where we learnt from a family member that ’someone was always with Kate’ at the weekends when Gerry was away from home on all his speaking engagements and conferences.
This spoke to me of a woman who could not be trusted to be on her own and might suddenly lose all control under even a modest degree of pressure.
It also spoke to me of a man who was more interested in his career and profile than spending time with his three young children