Madeleine McCann: 4650 Articles, Christian Ridout Was Here And Lawless Morocco
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann.
DAILY EXPRESS front page: Poster blitz in Morocco”
“More than 11,000 letters and posters have been distributed in remote parts of the North African country to jog the memory of someone who may have seen the little girl”
A spokesman says: “E-mail is great within larger towns and cities, but there are still a lot of people who do not have Madeleine’s picture or the phone contact details to report sightings or information”
Do you have Madeleine’s picture? Do you know the phone number?
DAILY MAIL: “Letter blitz on remote Moroccan mountain villages that Madeleine McCann campaign cannot reach”
“Agents [of Metodo 3] have distributed photographs of the little girl with an appeal in French and Arabic to call with information about her whereabouts. But it has proved difficult to reach all of the isolated communities where a child could have been taken, many of which are in lawless, mountainous regions”
Those lawless Moroccans…
“Madeleine: Private detectives hunt for British barman known as DJ Shifty, accused of grooming an under-age girl for sex”
“Part-time barman and disc jockey Christian Ridout, 32, allegedly sent the British girl obscene text messages when he worked in an expats’ pub 200 yards from where Madeleine disappeared. When the 12-year-old’s mother discovered the explicit messages, Ridout - also known as DJ Shifty - left Portugal in a hurry”
A suspect?
Says the paper: “By coincidence, the Ridout family were next-door neighbours of the family of Robert Murat, the chief suspect in the Madeleine hunt, when the Murats lived in the nearby village of Almadena. The night after Madeleine went missing, a British expat walked into the Plough and Harrow pub in Praia da Luz, still owned by his parents Tony, 57, and Jill, 58, and asked: ‘Where’s Christian then?’ Locals have disparagingly nicknamed the pub ‘The Plough and Paedophile‘ and the missing man is widely disliked in the tight-knit community”
So where is Christian? Well, he left Praia da Luz a few years ago. His mother says she has not seen him for two years. Says the girl’s mother: “I went in to see them just before Madeleine disappeared and they confirmed they’re still looking for him. ‘No one knows where he is, but he could have been back to this area”
Or not…
THE SUN front page: “Publicity blitz for Maddie in Africa”
“Many still don’t recognise her”
Help make Madeleine McCann the world’s most recognisable face
“Despite a massive campaign highlighting the seven-month search for their daughter, experts believe many in the north African country still lack the crucial information they need to help trace her”
Many?
“Now a silent army of volunteers from the Helping To Find Madeleine campaign have given their time over the festive period to flood businesses across the nation with 11,500 letters and posters”
Not so silent
“The initiative comes after the McCanns’ Spanish detective agency pin-pointed Morocco as the most likely place little Maddie may have been taken”
Can you pinpoint a “likely place” to an entire nation? Is this detective work or guesswork?
Kate and Gerry McCann are “doctors”. Fact
Kate pins on badge of hope: “ANGUISHED Kate McCann returned to church yesterday – with a badge of hope bearing a picture of missing Madeleine pinned close to her heart”
A new merchandise push?
One “worshipper” at Kate’s church says: “Every mother wants to cuddle her children at Christmas – it’s heartbreaking that Kate has been denied that. The badge is a symbol of hope that could help focus new eyes on the hunt for Madeleine”
“347 new Maddie calls combed” - The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell says: “We are pleased with the calls and they are continuing to come in. Every single call is much appreciated and we are going through them with a fine-tooth comb. Any that need to be acted upon swiftly are being acted upon swiftly. We don’t go into detail because if there is any significant information”
DAILY STAR: “TECS: MADDIE BEING HELD IN MOROCCO”
“More than 11,500 posters appealing for information about the youngster have been sent out to the furthest reaches of the north African country”
Francisco Marco, the PI hired by the McCanns, says: “Morocco is the perfect place to hide a kidnapped girl”. He has said this before. Is Morocco the perfect place? Why not Algeria? Or Malta?
DAILY RECORD: “Maddie Poster Blitz In Morocco”
“Schools, supermarkets and medical centres are being blitzed with thousands of photos of the missing four-year-old. And letters written in French and Arabic are being sent to towns and villages in the most remote parts of the country”
Madeleine in Morocco. Or not. Again… Isabel Gonzalez saw her. Mari Pollard saw her
Clarence Mitchell says: “Anyone who puts effort into assisting us in any way, we are incredibly grateful for, and it sounds like they have done a fantastic job. I have no doubt that it is this kind of effort and initiatives that will lead us to finding Madeleine”
Gerry and Kate McCann are “doctors”
THE GUARDIAN: “From Mr Bean to Shambo the bull, the media obsessions of 2007”
A review: “Almost nine months after she vanished, we know a lot about Madeleine McCann and her family. We know the legal implications of being named an official suspect in a Portuguese criminal investigation. What we do not know is who took her, if she is alive and whether any trace of her will ever be found again. A total of 4,650 articles have appeared in British newspapers since she disappeared on May 3”
THE SCOTSMAN: “Madness, badness, hate and heroism - Robert McNeil continues his unique take on the events of 2007 with a look back at the second three months of the year…”
“Hell also visited the parents of three-year-old Madeleine McCann on 3 May when the toddler disappeared from their holiday apartment in the Algarve. In the ensuing months, Kate and Gerry McCann used the media to keep the case in the public eye. The Portuguese police did the same, but their efforts were directed more at casting doubts on the McCanns and their friends. Supposed sightings of Madeleine were reported periodically, but each time hopes were dashed”
THE TIMES: “Hundreds ring hotline after Madeleine plea”
Yesterday in the latest entry on his internet diary, Mr McCann wrote: “Madeleine should not be spending Christmas away from her loving family. The person who took her has it in their power to end our suffering and will be able to appease their conscience that they have done the right thing – especially at this time of year. Kate and I would like to thank everyone who has taken the time to write to us and let us know Madeleine and our family are still in their thoughts and prayers. We still have at least one hundred cards to open! As always, every single one will be read and the support expressed helps renew our determination to find Madeleine”
The story, speculation and sensation…
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December 27th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
614Logic Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Didn’t Tony Blair say it would be “No tolerance Britain”? He meant no tolerance to crime but it’s worked out to be exactly the opposite - the crime gets worse and the law-abiding citizens are shown no tolerance. That’s the sad way I see things, anyway.
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Yes but Blair said a lot of things like that. Talk is cheap. He also said in May 1997 he was going to have a “fast-track for young offenders”. First of all, a statement like that proves many faults that were already there when he came into power. It says that for some reason, the problems that everyone is bothered about are caused by “young offenders”. If this isn’t true then why not have a “fast-track for bank robbers”? Secondly, that statement indicates that the legal and justice system is not working properly. Like my favourite quote - “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
Then as I posted earlier, Mr Blair and his son sent a clear message to all 16 year old kids that it was perfectly ok to get drunk and be in a stupor in the middle of any town in Britain after his own son was found “out of it” in Leicester Square at something like 1am. Oh and wasn’t his mother in Spain and daddy was somewhere else to be found?
Perhaps the McCanns were only following the Prime Minister’s childcare methodology?
December 27th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Forgive me (although I don’t expect you to) for bringing in a couple of other recent cases where British girls went missing but I believe the differences between these families’ behaviour and the McCann’s is worth highlighting;
Charlotte Thompson was 14 when she and her schoolfriend were killed on an un-manned level crossing. Her father began about one month later to write a series of letters to his dead daughter which have now been published as “Dear Charlotte, Letters to a dead daughter” - read a few extracts and feel the misery and torment of his loss, then count how many times Neeps and Tatties are mentioned, or tennis or jogging.
Rosemary Edwards, 15, was found having hanged herself in some woods. Her parents’ TV appeals before her body was found are starkly different from those of the McCanns, Rosemary’s parents both break down under the strain of knowing that whatever has happened to their daughter during the time she has been missing may mean she is dead and neither of them can maintain their composure during their televised appeals. Once her parents realised by talking to her friends and examining her text-messages, their guilt at not realising her suicidial frame of mind has been overwhelming.
Finally, Natasha Coombes, 17, disappeared on 27th July and did not make her train journey home.. Her parents made a TV appeal on 2nd August and again on 8th August before their daughter’s body was found at the edge of a railway line on 10th August. Her mother said of her disappearance on TV “It’s unbearable” and it was. Natasha’s mother’s body was found on the same section of railway track on 19th September - she had committed suicide in the same way her daughter had died. The death of her daughter was, for her, “unbearable”.
What I am trying to emphasise is just how unmoved the McCann’s seemed since Madeleine disappeared and their TV appearances in the days and weeks following May 3rd are mainly what has stoked my initial suspicians that the story they are telling is not the story of what actually happened. I have followed this story from the suspicious first reports and I have never seen either of Madeleine’s parents demonstrate one iota of the distress that I have seen dripping out of these other distraught parents.
I know I keep bleating on about how far out of the list of *responsible-options-for-parents* leaving infants alone at any stage is, but I find it SO odd that they won’t admit that leaving their children alone is WHY their child is missing; I have said before that if I had left my children unsupervised for night after night and my darling first-born was possibly being raped and sexually tortured I would be so guilty I would be screaming at the reporters that what I had done was wrong, that the sun could never shine again because I had let my girl down, and THAT WE WERE WRONG TO LEAVE OUR CHILDREN ALONE. They seem to me to be happy to sweep this surely overwhelming guilt under the sofa or to let it seep through a tiled floor, they don’t express any strong regret for leaving their kids unsupervised and vulnerable and they even ask us to accept that it is reasonable and what many parents may do. (NOT!) At this point I wonder if they can’t express or demonstrate any guilt for leaving their children alone because that’s not the thing they feel most guilty about. It is this response being so far from what I can imagine which has kept me reading all the suggestions and analyses of this case, hoping that I will understand how those parents have behaved the way they have in circumstances under which I would have had to be monitored very carefully to ensure I wasn’t another mum on a railway line, like Natasha’s, because it would be “unbearable”
Over to you.
December 27th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
615 Tony B
In Jane Tanner’s own words:
“that maybe was a bit odd”
December 27th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
617
Tony Bennett Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
THE CHANGING STORIES OF JANE TANNER (edited from a number of sources):
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Yet again, your sources aren’t given. What was it you said to Meejician?
“Not OK, Meejician, unless you supply credible sources/links.”
Well, it’s not ok TB when you evade providing the sources you demand of others.
December 27th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
623
Swannie
And didn’t Gerry tell everyone to not call her Maddy?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
618 mary
There were 2 white-van-men remember. They delivered the 800 square foot inflatable billboard with Madeleine’s photo on the side. They drove 2200 miles from Scotland to PDL.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
From the Mirror Forum:
Gerry’s original ‘Friends Reunited’ entry:
“April 2005- Back in Leicester and looking for a job. Now father of three with Sean and Amelie joing Maddie. Anyone fancy babysitting?”
Gerry’s revised ‘Friends Reunited’ entry:
“April 2005- Back in Leicester and looking for a job. Now father of three with Sean and Amelie joing Maddie.”
As one person stated so well on this Forum, Gerry obviously omitted the “Anyone fancy babysitting”, because “he did not need babysitters now that Madeleine was 3 years old and could look after herself and the twins?”
Note his use of the name ‘Maddie’!!!
December 27th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Can’t say No, whither it is true or not I dont know, it is in the post that TB put up at post 61.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
592 chenier
doom bar in london:
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/ftsearch.shtml?search=doom+bar
even i would find it hard to do this lot in a day…
December 27th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
McCanns face ANOTHER six months as suspects in the case of missing Madeleine
By VANESSA ALLEN - More by this author »
Last updated at 16:37pm on 27th December 2007
Kate and Gerry McCann could face another six-month wait to learn why they were made suspects in their daughter’s disappearance.
The Portuguese police files setting out the alleged evidence against them were due to be made public on January 3 but are now expected to be kept secret until at least April and possibly even July, sources said.
The delay would come as a bitter disappointment to the couple, who have just endured their first Christmas without Madeleine and are desperate to clear their names.
The McCanns pictured going on their way to church on Christmas Day. Kate and Gerry may now face another six-month wait to learn why they were made suspects in Madeleine’s disappearance
Kate McCann wears badge of hope for missing daughter
Private detectives hunt for British barman known as DJ Shifty, accused of grooming an under-age girl for sex
Under normal Portuguese law the secrecy restrictions on the police files would be lifted after eight months to allow the suspects’ lawyers to see the evidence against them.
That deadline would expire on January 3, marking exactly eight months since Madeleine disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
But police have not completed their investigation and are about to apply to Britain to ask for Mr and Mrs McCann and their friends to be re-interviewed.
The public prosecutor in the case is widely expected to ask for an extension on the deadline, as it would be potentially disastrous for the police case if the McCanns, both 39, were to learn the alleged evidence against them before they were re-questioned.
Such a request is considered almost certain to be granted and would give police another three months to work in secret, with the possibility of another three-month extension if needed.
A six-month extension of the deadline would mean the McCanns would have to wait until July next year - more than a year after Madeleine’s disappearance - to learn why they were made official suspects, or arguidos, in the case.
They have told how they fear their lawyers could face a protracted legal battle to get their arguido status lifted, and might even have to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights.
Under Portuguese law there is no deadline which forces police to charge someone with an offence or lift their suspect status, and there have been cases of people remaining arguidos for more than seven years.
The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, are desperate to have their arguido status lifted so they can talk freely about the case and continue to spearhead the worldwide campaign to appeal for Madeleine’s safe return.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate, Gerry and their friends remain ready and willing to talk to the police should they come over to Britain.
“In the meantime our lawyers will of course continue to press for access to the police files, and to push for the arguido status to be lifted.
“Kate and Gerry feel it is a huge distraction for everybody, and while police are looking at them they are not searching for Madeleine.
“They are innocent parties who just want to be free to focus on the effort to find Madeleine.
“They are legally constrained at the moment, and the suggestion that they were somehow involved remains very upsetting to them.”
Portuguese police have prepared letters of appeal, asking their British counterparts to interview the McCanns and the rest of the so-called Tapas Nine, and setting out more than 100 questions they want answered.
The letters were delayed until after Christmas but are expected to be sent in January.
Magistrate and legal expert Carlos Casimiro said police would be ‘desperate’ to extend the secrecy deadlines to give them longer to solve the high-profile case.
He told the Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias he thought the most likely outcome - even after two extensions - would be ‘the delay of the investigation in a desperate attempt to seek enough evidence to make an accusation’.
“This is an exceptionally high profile case on an international level and it is the country’s image which is at stake,” he said.
“The Policia Judiciaria have been the object of ridicule in the British media since the very start of this case, and for that reason they want to preserve their reputation and high standards of professionalism.”
Meanwhile, the Portuguese police investigation hit another dead end when it emerged that detectives had traced and eliminated all of the British paedophiles known to have links to the Algarve.
British police gave their Portuguese counterparts a list of 52 known or suspected child sex offenders who they believed could have been in the region at the time Madeleine vanished.
It was reported last week that one of the men identified had not been traced and could still be a suspect, but a police source told the Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha that he had now been investigated and eliminated.
Mr Mitchell said: “If reports in Portugal are correct in suggesting that all known British paedophiles have been traced and eliminated, then we are pleased that police are doing their jobs properly.
“But there are also people who aren’t on any lists who need to be traced.”
It was not known if a Briton who fled Praia da Luz after being accused of grooming an under-age girl for sex was on the list.
The Daily Mail told yesterday how the private detectives hired by the McCanns are hunting part-time barman and disc jockey Christian Ridout, 32, who allegedly sent the British girl obscene text messages while he worked at an expats’ pub, 200 yards from where Madeleine vanished.
He fled Portugal two years ago, after the 12-year-old’s mother discovered the explicit messages and raised the alarm, and Portuguese police have been unable to trace him. His name would not appear on the British list unless he had offended in Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=504749&in_page_id=1770
December 27th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
609 i-dont-believe-them
Good points. I don’t think there’s a single answer to all the problems raising a child but each component can usually be improved - care and affection, diet, exercise, manners, discipline etc. When you live in times where there’s no real poverty anymore (in the UK at least), it’s hard to educate children of the value of the food on their plates and how it gets there.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
I have always wondered if the body of Madeleine was brought back to the UK - various family members travelled to Portugal to “support” the parents - One of them could have taken care of it while the K and G show toured and posed. Blood is thicker than water as they say - I have always thought that relatives would be more likely to do the dirty work than the friends would.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
603 Chenier and 608 Veritablequandary
I absolutely agree.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
592 chenier Says:
“I moved to central London 25 years ago, and since then my exposure to the countryside has been distinctly limited.
However, as I noted yesterday, my alcohol intake seems to increase as yours decreases, so I have a vested interest in getting you back to the pub.
Perhaps that should be my liver has a vested interest in getting you back to the pub…”
i’m sure you can find doom in london. here’s one:
http://www.timeout.com/london/bars/reviews/9325.html
looks like we’re a bit out of synch on the imbibing front
i learnt a long time ago (1975) that beer and geetars do not mix, so i separate them out as much as i can. last few days and weeks have required some concentrated geetar on specific days (e.g. today) so no doom
i shall make up for it tomorrow and the first doom will have chenier written on the bottom - king’s shilling style
great fun
December 27th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
THE CHANGING STORIES OF JANE TANNER (edited from a number of sources):
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28 May 2007
Jane Tanner, a vital witness, and close friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, was on her way to join Madeleine’s parents for dinner at the Tapas bar when she saw a man with a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket. She was wearing ‘distinguishable’ pink pyjamas, the woman has told police. The woman saw the man close to the open window of the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping…The woman saw the man at 9.30pm as she arrived late for dinner with Mr and Mrs McCann and other friends at the Ocean Club. The man is white, 35 to 40 years old, of medium build and 5ft 10in. He has short hair and was wearing a dark jacket,
light beige trousers and dark shoes.
28 May 2007
She saw a young blonde girl wearing ‘distinguishable’ pyjamas and wrapped in a blanket.
The witness joined the McCanns for dinner at about 9.30pm. As she walked past the family’s property, she saw a man with a child wearing pink pyjamas in his arms. She went on to dinner, during which the McCanns had been making regular checks on their children.
29 May 2007
The man is white, 35 to 40 years old, of medium build and 178cm tall.
25 October 2007
“A man with dark, greasy collar-length hair and wearing a purple or maroon top with beige trousers, carrying a child. Ms Tanner described the man she saw as aged about 35 to 40, 5ft 6in (1.7m) tall, and of slim build.
26 October 2007
The sketch shows him to be slim and of southern European or Mediterranean origin. He has unkempt, jet black hair plastered back across his head and the slight hint of a beard around his chin. She saw the man when she went to check on her own children at about 9.15pm.
26 October 2007
…a man of southern European or Mediterranean appearance walking with a child in his arms. She said she spotted the man striding from the area of the McCanns’ apartment. The man is drawn with greasy, straggly hair, wearing a purple or maroon top and beige chinos. He is aged about 35-40, 5ft 6in (1.7m) tall, and is slim.
She has told how she spotted the man at around 9.15pm on May 3 as she went to join the group at dinner
18 November 2007
Although she only saw him from behind, she was able to give an artist a description of what he was wearing and the clothes of the child in his arms.
20 November 2007
“He had his face turned away from me, sort of sideways and it was very dark. The man I saw was more local, or Mediterranean-looking, rather than British, or a tourist.” She saw the man at about 9.15pm as she made her way back to her holiday apartment
20 November 2007
He had dark, almost black, long hair and had swarthy skin. He was dressed in that sort of smart casual way European people dress. I couldn’t say for definite what nationality he was but he definitely appeared more European to me.” Under interview she remembered that the girl being carried away had worn pink and white pyjamas.
AND FINALLY, THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE PANORAMA INTERVIEW
[Interviewer] They spoke for a few minutes, at this time around 9:15pm Jane Tanner thinks about checking on her children.
[Jane Tanner:] I think the starters were about to arrive so I thought, oh I’ll go and do, I’ll go and do a check. It’d been sort of twenty minutes or so since before we last checked so we , so I thought I’ll go and do a check before the food arrives, so I’d just walked out of the restaurant, up the hill, I passed Gerry who was talking to one of his tennis friends at the time and then after I’d passed Gerry, erm, at the top of the road I saw somebody walking across the top of the road so I was a reasonable distance away from them and that person was carrying a child.
[Interviewer questioning Jane Tanner] You say a person, a male or female?
[Jane Tanner] A male, a male.
[Interviewer] And just describe that individual to us.
[Jane Tanner] Erm, he was probably about 5’8” tall he was taller than me but not six foot. He was between those two, erm, he was wearing quite a lot of clothes and that’s one thing, in hindsight again I think that’s quite odd, because tourists when they’re abroad, Brits abroad, would always have cropped trousers or shorts or something and he had a sort of big heavy jacket and trousers on. Erm, and the hair, the one thing that I remember a lot is the hair, there was, there did seem be quite a lot of dark erm, reasonably long, to the neck, hair.
[Interviewer] Describe exactly what he’s carrying, what you can see
[Jane Tanner] Well, I could see, I could tell it’s a child and I could see the feet and erm, the feet at the bottom of the pyjamas. I just thought, that child’s not got any shoes on, you could see the feet and it was quite a cold night in Portugal and it’s not actually that warm, I know I’d got a big jumper on. And I can, erm, remember thinking oh, that parent’s not a particular good parent, they’ve not wrapped them up.
[Interviewer] And could you tell if it was a boy or a girl?
[Jane Tanner] Only because the pyjamas had a pinky aspect to them so you’d presume a girl, it was actually quite cold…
[Interviewer interrupts] From your sketch he appears to be carrying the child in this sort of unusual way.
[Jane Tanner holds her arms out, bent at the elbows] Yeah, he was carrying sort of, across the body like that. Whereas I suppose in retro…hindsight, you’d probably think that somebody would carry them more against the shoulder.
[Interviewer] I have to ask you this, are you absolutely sure of what you saw. It was a long time ago and it was only for a brief period.
[Jane Tanner] A brief period, but at the time I knew what I’d seen, I’d given that information to the police and because of the pyjamas I’m absolutely convinced that is what I saw.
[Interviewer] According the McCann timeline at about 9:30, Matt Oldfield is the next to check on the children. Remember, Gerry McCann had said he had closed the bedroom door, Odlfield says he finds it open. He doesn’t go in the room, he sees the twins but can’t see Madeleine’s bed, because there’s no noise he assumes everything’s ok.
At about 10:00pm it’s Kate’s turn to check on the children. The bedroom door is still open, as she closes it she feels a draught and knows something is wrong. A shutter at the side of the apartment they couldn’t see from the Tapas Bar is open. Madeleine is missing. Kate McCann says she searches the flat three times before raising the alarm. Jane Tanner says that by this time she’s already back in her apartment.
[Jane Tanner] I went out to the front door of our apartment and erm, I saw Rachel came and said oh Madeleine’s gone erm, so that was the first I’d heard about it and then I saw Kate and Fiona running around shouting Madeleine and then Kate said to me, “Jane, Madeleine’s gone, Madeleine’s gone.” That was the first that I’d erm, that I’d heard she’s….
[Interviewer interrupts] What time was that about?
[Jane Tanner] Erm…I’m not sure, must be tennish, around tennish.
[Interviewer] And now all of a sudden what you seen…
[Jane Tanner interrupts] Yeah, as soon as Rachel said to me ‘Madeleine’s gone’ this person sort of come into my head, I hadn’t given it a second thought up to that point but this person suddenly and I thought oh, that person was a bit odd. Suddenly Madeleine’s not there and I’ve seen somebody that, then you think oh that maybe was a bit odd, it just seems too much of a coincidence.
ENDS
December 27th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
553 Stevo
I certainly agree with you about the lack of cohesion in society today. I suppose rules make people feel safe, which is why it’s important to set boundaries for our children. There seem to have been loads and loads of rules introduced into society in recent years but most of them are to do with people making money out of us, so are not good rules, and cause frustration and resentment. I know I resent the complete lack of tolerance that we encounter each day. Didn’t Tony Blair say it would be “No tolerance Britain”? He meant no tolerance to crime but it’s worked out to be exactly the opposite - the crime gets worse and the law-abiding citizens are shown no tolerance. That’s the sad way I see things, anyway.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
609
i-dont-believe-them Says:
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I agree with you IDBTS.
Everything we have learned about M tells us that she was well within the bounds of what we describe as a “normal” child.
But her parents are not normal.
The parents act exactly like criminals covering their ass*s from the beginning of this story.
Even Kate’s own mother can’t understand their behavior.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
I should have used judgemental, not judgemental - as you can see, I didn’t user spell.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
602 Stevo Says:
“Surely transporting it back to the UK would only make sense if they were to visit the site?”
under the patio in orchard house, rothley?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
595
Stevo Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
586 chenier Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Stevo seems to imagine that a 12 year old press release reflects cutting edge science. It doesn’t…
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Erm…no. I made the observation that if you can’t find it then you think it doesn’t exist - clearly one of the DSM-IV criteria listed under Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
Translation: They treat other people like dirt.
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Actually, I responded to that observation by pointing out that I simply did what any researcher would do nowadays.
But if it makes you happy to conduct long distance diagnoses, unfettered by any knowledge of the subject, do feel free to continue; I am all for bringing a little joy into peoples’ lives…
December 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
606 Stevo
“True. But what happened to that hole they used to fill before? Did it get full?”
yep europe’s holes are full
and there a hefty landfill tax to discourage new-hole diggers
December 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Blaming ADHD on genetics is blaming the victim. Madeleine deserved love and what did she get? Being ignored and drugged from her rubbish parents.
Ann (yesterday’s thread) admitted she drugged her own child to sleep and called him a “mini-monster”. Ann, he didn’t “happen” to “develop into a paranoid schizophrenic”. No, that’s caused by rubbish parenting.
If we are going to point the finger at the McCanns (and they deserve it) , lets be prepared to look at ourselves, too.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
603 chenier Says to 588 Logic Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
I think that our genes are hostage to environmental factors. That is, I think that the same broad genetic predispositions may have existed years ago but possibly new chemicals in food and the environment have encouraged certain genetic weaknesses to manifest themselves…
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Well said; I would, however, add that we may be getting the wrong end of the stick in envisaging these as genetic weaknesses.
It may be that they provide a degree of protection against other threats more prevalent in the natural world; they just don’t help in an environment profoundly different to the one in which the human species has developed over many thousands of years…
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I was about to respond along this line.
Thanks for saying it better.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
597 stevo
plymouth-santander is twice a week
http://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=68
great trip - takes about 24 hours
i’ve done it a few times - excellent fun
sort of mini-cruise and a posh ship
nightclubs resaurants and nice big vehicle decks where smelly scenics would not be noticed…
December 27th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
599 Ade
True. But what happened to that hole they used to fill before? Did it get full?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
563 Tinsel S
“How would they have contained the smell or the fluids on an airplane? This is terrible to say, but remember, a dead body is something like a giant piece of rotting fruit. Not easy to hide in an airplane.”
You could always take plenty of dirty nappies and rotting meat with you!
December 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
601 Tinsel
If you’ve never been on those ferries before, they are frequent, fast and there’s not a lot of security…if you’re lucky. Certainly nothing where they come on to your vehicle with sniffer dogs. I could see how it would be relatively easy to get a 30lb package into the UK if it was adequately disguised as booze or something else that is often transported.
December 27th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
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Logic Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
I think that our genes are hostage to environmental factors. That is, I think that the same broad genetic predispositions may have existed years ago but possibly new chemicals in food and the environment have encouraged certain genetic weaknesses to manifest themselves…
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Well said; I would, however, add that we may be getting the wrong end of the stick in envisaging these as genetic weaknesses.
It may be that they provide a degree of protection against other threats more prevalent in the natural world; they just don’t help in an environment profoundly different to the one in which the human species has developed over many thousands of years…
December 27th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
596 Ade
What’s the point of carting the body back to the UK if they don’t intend visiting it? Given that the T9 have a modicum of intelligence, they’ll know they’re being watched like hawks so they’d hardly chance it going to where the body is stored would they?
Surely transporting it back to the UK would only make sense if they were to visit the site?
December 27th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
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Ade Says:
December 27th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
569 Stevo Says:
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A lot of people think she was moved back to England, but I suspect she is the GRAVE in Algrave. I think all the running about in the car in the summer was part of the plan. Creating confusion and distraction and alibis.
Anything moved by ferry would leave a paper trail.