Madeleine McCann: 20 Years Of Fury, Kate And Gerry McCann Prime Suspects, Robert Murat Says Nothing
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR front page: “YOU’RE STILL PRIME SUSPECTS – McCanns’ fury at police chief warning”
“Kate and Gerry McCann were furious last night after learning they are still prime suspects in daughter Madeleine’s disappearance”
It is now the 105th time Kate and Gerry have reacted with fury of been furious in a tabloid setting
“The couple’s hopes of being cleared today were crushed when police chief Paulo Rebelo asked a judge to extend their arguido status because detectives are sticking to their belief that they accidentally killed the four-year-old”
This was predictable. Robert Murat also remains a suspect
Says McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “They are frustrated and angry. Frustrated because, yet again, there appears to be no movement in the case when they know they are innocent. They will continue to push for their arguido status to be lifted”
The Correio da Manha newspaper “claimed Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, could be charged with perjury and wasting police time”
But don’t the police waste enough of that themselves?
“They have been warned by their legal team they may have to go to the European Court of Human Rights to get their arguido status lifted”
Human rights? What of Madeleine’s rights?
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE - McCANNS ARE MAIN SUSPECTS SAY POLICE”
“Kate and Gerry McCann were dealt a crushing blow last night when a police report accused them of killing their daughter Madeleine”
Says a friend: “They are not the prime suspects. As we understand it, the report talks about the police’s continued belief that Madeleine died accidentally in the apartment and that is why Kate and Gerry remain arguidos. It also talks about Robert Murat remaining an arguido and it discusses the possibility of her being abducted. Well, they can’t have it both ways”
No..?
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Throughout 2007 we have declined to comment on speculation in the Portuguese press. We will follow the same policy in 2008. If this report is true, however, and this interim police report exists, then we believe it contains nothing new. It is simply a restatement of the current position of the police. And we note that it not only discusses Kate and Gerry as arguidos, but also continues to name Mr Murat as an arguido. Crucially it also accepts the possibility that abduction took place”
The green shoots of hope…
THE SUN front page: “McCANN AGONY GOES ON – 246 after Maddie vanished, cops name Kate and Gerry as…PRIME SUSPECTS”
“ANGUISHED Kate and Gerry McCann are facing up to living as suspects over their daughter’s disappearance for another TWENTY years, it emerged yesterday”
Maybe…
Kate and Gerry are “both 39-year-old doctors”
Fact!
DAILY MAIL: “Police ’still think McCanns killed Madeleine by accident’ - and they will be suspects for 20 years”
“A secret police dossier has accused Kate and Gerry McCann of accidentally killing their daughter and hiding her body, it was claimed yesterday. The couple faked four-year-old Madeleine’s abduction, according to a leaked report on the eight-month police investigation”
Lawyer Edward Smethurst, who is co-ordinating the McCanns’ defence, says: “Any report about the leaked document we believe is completely without substance. We think it arises out of pure speculation on the part of the Portuguese papers”
Kate and Gerry McCann are “doctors”
THE SCOTSMAN: “Madeleine’s parents could be under suspicion for 20 years, says judge”
“The prospect of the case dragging on for years was reinforced yesterday by the president of the National Union of Portuguese Judges, Antonio Martins, who said: ‘No-one knows what type of crime was committed. If it was homicide, the investigation can only be shelved after 20 years; if it was kidnap, 15 years’”
On we go…
THE OBSERVER: “After a year in which the torment of Madeleine McCann’s family has dominated the British media, the trials of the Lees - and the hope the new image has given them - seem particularly acute”
The story: “Katrice disappeared on her second birthday from a supermarket in Germany, where her father was serving as a soldier. Her mother turned away for a few moments to fetch a pack of crisps for the girl’s party and when she looked back Katrice was gone”
Twenty six years ago…
FOX NEWS: “Missing Madeleine McCann: Irish Witness ‘Clears’ Murat”
Says Martin Smith, who was on holiday in Praia da Luz: “I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn’t as big as Murat - I think I would have recognised him because I’d met him several times previously. He was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s and I didn’t think he was Portuguese”
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January 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
brandon
went back over the mirror forum for yesterday and day before - found nothing from clausae
what was the topic being discussed - that might help!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
537 Cheryl
Ah, but we DO now the likelihood of what happened! We know what the statistical probabilities are. And ABDUCTION is way, way, down there…..like at…almost zero….
January 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
513 Sledgehammer Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Stevo I am simply stating that which has been reported from official sources and widely in the press, all suspects were interviewed separately and on different days.
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I respect what you’re saying but IMO if you really are a fence sitter then you’re not behaving like one. For instance, you say you formulate your comments after reading the papers but evidently when others do it you don’t respect that or see it as having equal weighting to the stories you choose to accept. If you’re going to read papers and come in here and talk about it then please come up with some kind of realistic conclusion. You can’t say the PJ have nothing and will not make arrests because nothing you’ve read proves or hints at that. This is why I don’t believe you really are a fence sitter because you add your own bias to what you read.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
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Matt. Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
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My apologies! Should not have included your name in that comment.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
537
Cheryl Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
“……Ian, none of us know what happened to her yet that plain and simple”
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Hang on a minute Cheryl…….its Ian you’re talking to!!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
523
Annie_m Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
516
Tinsel
Think it might be a wind up?
1st post and all that.
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My guess is that the poster heard it 2nd or 3rd hand and something really is going on, but under much secrecy. What it is, hard to say.
I would be shocked if none of the Tapas broke rank. It’s simply inhuman to go down as a group! Someone has got to bolt.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
537 Judith
I think its bollocks - its never a first step, in the UK, for example, you have to exhaust the court hierarchy in the UK first. I dont know what its like in Portuguese jurisprudence but suspect its the same.
A Pro-Mccann last night even claimed they had REQUESTED the status in the first place.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
And Now The Weather
January 04, 2008
A touch of frost, snow on high ground, winds from the west by lunch-time – how about a nuclear mushroom cloud over the mountains?
The group, called Ztohoven, has defended its actions. In a statement it said: “We are neither a terrorist organization nor a political group, our aim is not to intimidate the society or manipulate it, which is something we witness on daily basis both in real world and in the world created by the media.”
They went on: “This group attacked the space of TV broadcasting. It distorted it, questioned its truthfulness and its credibility. It drew attention to the possibility of using images of the world created by the media in place of the existing, real world. Is everything we see daily on our TV screens real? Is everything presented to us by the media, newspapers, television, the internet actually real?”
Full story and video at:
http://skynews8.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/01/a-touch-of-fros.html
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
526 Stevo
I quite agree that the body could be back in the UK–all those private planes lent by billionaires, supposedly no having to clear customs, etc., and then there’s that missing tennis bag….
Yeah, it’s possible!
But like we said earlier, it’s far more likely that the body has been completely destroyed, dissolved….
January 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Stevo, the abductor(s) the Police say they are still considering as a theory.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
496 Annie_m
Gosh, showing our ages now eh? The Tube etc….those were the days.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Can the holy couple go to the European Court of Human Rights..just like that.. in order to get their arguido status lifted? Is it that easy, or is it likely, or is it just Mitchspeak?
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Mods andAdmin
I think Madeleine’s Rights would be considered too.
But personally? bluff from Clarrie
have a look in the Twitterings , well done!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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Ian Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
461 Cheryl
I was not made aware of the ‘rules’ for being a pro-McCann, is that the rule? Belief that they didnt murder Madeleine?
Then it might be that I am in fact not one of ‘the rest’ but am in fact a pro-mccann!
So as a Pro-McCann, I am allowed to say I think they neglected her and as a result she died in a tragic accident (as she was alone) and then disposed of her body?
Wow - the Pro-McCann stance is very wide open minded isnt it
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REPLY: Maybe I didn’t use the right words, Ian, but to me pro-Mccann are those not sitting in prejudgment of them. But I think we all agree and I’ve seen no one not agreeing they are guilty of neglect, if such a neglect law exists to charge them with I’m sure they’ll be charged in time.
Ian, none of us know what happened to her yet that plain and simple!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
522 Daisy
Im not staggered to find that you believe in the possibility of stranger abduction!
McTruth?!!!!
Oxymoron of all oxymorons!!
You dont seek the truth, if you did you’d be neutral and not Pro-McCann - can you not see the stupidity of a statement thats says I seek the truth but am on the McCann side?
I do wish the Pro-McCanns wouldnt try to use their meagre legal knowledge (from TV) to expain their bias. Guilty until Proven innocent is a legal term for use in legal context, in an investigation, much that would not stand up in court is relevant.
It is always necessary to use all evidence, admissable in court or not, to try to determine the truth.
Please be aware that evidence in a legal context is the legal version of the facts used to create the legal version of the truth, items of admissable evidence are not necessarily (in fact not ever) the only ‘facts’ and the legal version of the truth is not necessarily the whole truth.
Stay away from legal terms and lets discuss what we know in the environment we are in - which is not a court of law.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
461 Cheryl
You, Cheryl, call our Anoraking “sick insinuations?”
I call it, “thinking with one’s brain.” I call it, “solving the mystery.”
And “child neglect” appears to be the least of it.
Stevo twist the truth? Stevo’s the sleuth! Those who insist that, as you put it, “the McCanns did not murder their child” are missing something significiant–Not always, but very often, children age 3-4 who disappear without a trace are murdered. It is important, therefore, to consider WHETHER Madeleine was murdered, and if so, then by whom.
This is why Kate and Gerry McCann are suspects.
The FBI in the States looks first to the people closest to the missing child–the parents, siblings, other relatives. THEN secondly, to the next ring of people–housekeepers, nannies, those who live/work in the home where the child lives. THEN thirdly, schoolteachers, other school employees, more distant relatives, close friends, local vicar. THEN fourthly, STRANGERS.
The FBI goes circle by circle, like rings on a tree extending outwards. They try not to overlap these circles. STRANGERS are the least likely to be involved in a child’s abduction or homicide/murder, and hece they are considered LAST, unless there is significant evidence showing otherwise.
I agree that we all know there was “neglect” and other parental behavior in evidence BEFORE Madeleine disappeared. But one cannot yet say Gerry and Kate’s admitted parental neglect is the REASON Madeleine disappeared.
Stevo rightly discusses evidence of the McCanns’ previous “neglect” of their daughter, and we Anorakers are all exploring other aspects of the McCanns’ and Tapas 7’s personal behaviors as well. We think their collective behaviors led directly to madeleine’s disappearance, and also to the current problems the PJ have with the evidence. But the “child neglect” issue is not ALL we are looking at.
WE are discussing WHAT DAY Madeleine may have disappeared, and whether bogus “evidence” was created to indicate Madeleine was still alive at a time when she actually was dead.
We aren’t “standing in judgment” of anyone. We’re just trying to figure out what happened. Quite a few of us have good reason to believe Madeleine is dead.
We have a good-faith, well-reasoned belief that Madeleine is dead, the victim of some form of homicide, and this is not a “twist” or “misinterpretation of the truth” as you claim.
Quite likely, the PJ agree–this is why news reports indicate that they are now considering charging the McCanns with perjury rather than the bogus “neglect” that Maccannites hope will, in fact, somehow exonerate the McCanns from the more serious charge of homicide.
Many promaccanites do in fact claim that “everyone” leaves their children at home, “so what?” Many promaccanites claim it’s good to drug children–their pediatrician even supposedly prescribes the drugs in some instances. “SO what?” they say. You know this, because you read other sites, I am sure.
We at Anorak are not “anti-McCann,” as you say. But we do suspect the McCanns of somehow doing away with their daughter–perhaps by some form of accidental homicide, but we also must consider murder a real possibility. We aren’t judging them. But we ARE talking about them and discussing the news–much of which they themselves have created, through their professional media employees like Comical Clarence and the ball-headed one, Corner–the videographer who lies down on the terrace, points his camera to the other apartments all around, and narrates, “The abductor COULD have watched the McCanns from here, or there, or here, or here, or here.”
I mean, we’d be laughing, if the whole thing weren’t so tragic and sad! A child is very likely dead.
20 years–reportedly the Portuguese statute of limitations on most forms of homicide–is a long time to wait, especially after one has already spent some time in the slammer on the perjury charge.
Why should the PJ be in any hurry at all?
Cheryl, you owe Stevo an apology, frankly.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
477 Jez
Those things are pretty useless beyond a typical house distance. I don’t know if you’ve used one but they’re not much cop. Certainly a distance of 500m would be out of the question IMO. On New Years Eve I called my family at 7pm here to wish them a happy new year (5 hrs behind). My mum still tried to call me at midnight here (5am UK) but as we were dancing away to live music, my phone was as useless as the baby monitor would be in a loud environment like Chaplin’s.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
518
Matt. Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
501…Mr B
I just searched the Private Eye website but got no hits…problem is I have no idea what PE’s pseudo name is for the McConns
January 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I happen to know people in high places…(wink wink). just give me the nod -
I sold my house in Ireland to Mr.Bergerac (J.Nettles) - now he’s good at sussing out mid-summer murders - and the Channel Islands.
plus i worked as a make-up artist on Morse..(sadly J.Thaw is no longer with us) - now there’s a man would have this scenario done and dusted in a 1-hr special.
I also worked on Minder……good for a laugh especially ‘er indoors and lots of ducking and diving!
God love the little girlie wherever she is.
Slainte to you all. x
January 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
465 Daisy Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Yes, you have an idea, but at this stage, you don’t know if you are correct in your assumptions. I don’t know if my theory is correct either.
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I know - this is what I said in the first place before you said we didn’t have any idea. Duh!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
514 Ian
Dead right! I commented earlier that once the Tapas Tw*ts sit down with the police again - it will all be sorted out once and for all. The language barrier got in the way and none of them can tell the f*cking time! lol Everything was lost in translation but now it can be rectified and verified and they will all live very happily ever after.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
343 Ian
I agree with this post of yours. And I don’t think the sky is too high to look!!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
514…Ian
The Rattling of Cages is becoming quite thunderous.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
512 Sledgehammer
I put it to you that you are selective in your use of ‘evidence’ - dismissing that which does not support your beliefs.
If we are called to reject any available ‘evidence’, then this must include ‘evidence’ which supports your claim that the police made mistakes.
Personally I prefer to look at all evidence available and categorise it as appropriate. I think the police made mistakes, one was to allow the McCanns to railroad them using the press and the British establishment as it exists in Portugal into a single option (designed to protect the McCanns from accusations of neglect).
January 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
458 Sledgehammer
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the body could be back in the UK. If so, I’d expect the family to have made visits to the site. Personally I think it’s been well and truly disposed of wherever that may be.
What body Stevo, who disposed of the body well and truly, the abductor or someone closer ?
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I don’t know what body Sledgehammer. I must have been thinking of the Huntley case or one of the Ripper Murders. When I said “Personally I think it’s been well and truly disposed of wherever that may be”, I couldn’t possibly be thinking of Madeleine could I? And what abductor?
January 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
509
Mr B Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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Acknowledged - I was setting a scenario.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
516
Tinsel
Think it might be a wind up?
1st post and all that.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
487
Ian Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
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Firstly, I’m not pro-anybody. I am a “McTruthSeeker”.
At this stage I don’t know what happened that night. I believe in “innocent until proven guilty” and that’s where I stand. I don’t discard the possibility of an abductor either.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
514 Ian
Agree. Also the tone is far less ‘they have suffered enough’ but switched more to ‘provide evidence’.
Interesting. Think the PJ have a lot more in their files than they have ‘leaked’.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
batman
look back yesterdays threads on here for clausae around 4.45
January 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
515
Stevo
Lets hope they all get sent down.
Rotten to the core.