Madeleine McCann: An Intruder, Murat’s False Alibi And David Payne Is Murat’s Double
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “Intruder tried to break in to Madeleine apartment”
Page 5: “I SAW INTRUDER TRY TO GET INTO MCCANN FLAT - British holidaymaker Paul Gordon confronted a man trying to get in through the patio doors of flat 5A at the Ocean Club Resort in Praia da Luz where his two young children were sleeping”
Dramatic stuff. Was the have-a-go hero hurt?
Says the British man: “I find it incredible that no one has tried to work out who this person was who came to the apartment unannounced just days before Madeleine McCann went missing”
How does he know the police have not tried to work it out? But tell us what happened? How was this “intruder” trying to get in? Was he armed?
Says Gordon: “I came across someone at the flat. I now believe he was suspicious. He said he was collecting donations for an orphanage in the mountains. But he did not come to the front door. And it happened in the middle of the day when most people are out. He must have been staking out the property, or worse”
Must have been…
Says the McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “Mr Gordon has spoken to the police about his time in the apartment. And our investigative team has spoken with him. He said somebody came round to the apartment 5A asking for a charity donation and said it was suspicious”
ROBERT MURAT: “Suspect Murat ‘was given a false alibi by his friend’” – Murat says he was at home with his mother the night Madeleine disappeared. “The witness said Murat left the bar drunk,” says a police source. “This was the statement that put Murat in trouble”
Not his being “creepy”?
“Police ‘have no evidence to charge Kate and Gerry’” – Which given that the McCanns have not been charged with any crime, seems to be a statement of fact
DAILY MAIL: “Man lurked by Maddie’s patio doors’”
“British holiday-maker Paul Gordon told police he spotted the man outside the two-bedroom flat’s patio doors while his own two children were sleeping inside. Kate and Gerry McCann believe their daughter’s abductor crept into the apartment through the same patio doors, which they left unlocked so they and their friends could check on their sleeping children during their now infamous dinner at a nearby tapas restaurant”
Unlocked doors… Abroad… Children… No key?
“The man claimed to be collecting money for an orphanage in the mountains and Mr Gordon told detectives he left him alone near the doors while he went to find money to give him. In those few minutes the stranger could have studied the lay-out of the apartment and even checked on locks and security arrangements inside, police fear”
Or not… But Metodo 3 are investigating. And then there is Karen Sixsmith, who opened her door to Jehovah’s witnesses. Read about her brush with danger here
THE SUN: “PAL LIED FOR MURAT”
Murat’s lawyer says: “The friend was caught by surprise and tried to defend Robert. He ended up prejudicing him, because this fact is not true”
And: “Meanwhile it emerged a family who rented the flat before the McCanns told police a creepy man posing as a charity collector appeared on their patio”
So he was not collecting for charity, only pretending to? The other fact is that Kate and Gerry McCann are “doctors”
DAILY MIRROR: “I SAW ‘STALKER’ BY MADDY APARTMENT – Tourist raises paedo fears”
Paul Gordon is pictured. Or at least his back is. And the hood brought up over his head. He is made to look less like a witness than a suspect. Why show this picture?
He gave his statement “several times”, including one sworn statement. He gave his fingerprints and DNA samples. So maybe the police did look closely at his statement, after all?
DAILY STAR: “MURAT’S DOUBLE – Pal is mistaken for Madeleine suspect”
Was it Robert Murat those nine (Sun) witnesses saw the night Madeleine McCann disappeared? Or was it David Payne, the McCanns’ medical friend? The Star has a picture of both men. Add some more hair to Mr Payne’s head and you have a likeness.
Says a source: “What is baffling is that Mr Payne’s own wife and two of his friends are among those who claim to have seen Mr Murat outside the McCanns’ apartment that night. Mrs Payne may not have known Mr Murat well but you’d think a wife would recognise her own husband”
So when she says she saw Murat, it would be unlikely she actually saw her husband?
Madeleine McCann: The endless speculation
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January 8th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
1172
SC45 Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I found it odd that the Express reported this morning that Ms Tanner’s partner was the one that wanted to change his statement so that he too said that he saw the mystery ‘child carrier’.
Notwithstadnig the fact that it adds weight to Ms Tanner’s own ’sighting’ and sounds like a real stitch up, I thouught thr pervailing view on this site was that the changing of the statement by one of the “Tapas 9″was to distance themselves from the goings-on of May 3rd not to add strength to the McC version of events.
So, did the Express get that bit wrong this morning or did posters to this site jump to the wrong conclusions?
It does seem strange to me, if the Express is right, that CM feels the need to maintain that the “Tapas 9″ are as one and nobody is changing their story.
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It strikes me as a “Hail Mary” play on the part of Team McCann.
Whiffs of desperation.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
It all went quiet…
try another thread?
January 8th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I found it odd that the Express reported this morning that Ms Tanner’s partner was the one that wanted to change his statement so that he too said that he saw the mystery ‘child carrier’.
Notwithstadnig the fact that it adds weight to Ms Tanner’s own ’sighting’ and sounds like a real stitch up, I thouught thr pervailing view on this site was that the changing of the statement by one of the “Tapas 9″was to distance themselves from the goings-on of May 3rd not to add strength to the McC version of events.
So, did the Express get that bit wrong this morning or did posters to this site jump to the wrong conclusions?
It does seem strange to me, if the Express is right, that CM feels the need to maintain that the “Tapas 9″ are as one and nobody is changing their story.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
1079
Cheryl Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
MODS AND ADMIN - JUNE JOHNSON
HERE IS THE ONE I REFERRED TO WHERE HE HAD STATED HIS THREAT AND CAPABILITIES AND THEN INTERESTING ONE UNDER THAT I’VE ATTACHED FROM YAMPSTER #718 RE HIS SUSPICIONS HE HAD OF SOMEONE DOING IT LAST WEEK ON HERE
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Dr. Watson Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Maria,
I once asked you to ignore me, please, I do not deserve your attention.
Jane,
Your comment is sickening. Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence, people wgo cover up for criminals should be jailed. I call is justice, you state that as Nazism. I know you IP address, I know your other names your post under.
Do not abuse people. You do not want me to splash your real name abd e-mail across anorak. Once more, what you said is sickening.
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yampster Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
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Dr. Watson
When I came on here last Friday and suggested that ’someone’ was collecting IP addresses and E-mail adresses for publication it was scoffed at. Now someone has finally admitted it. Thank you for vindicating me and my previous post
January 8th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Mods and Admin
Who is giving out posters information? we haven’t seen any actually being given out, I asked Cheryl to email me with details two days ago, I’m still waiting to hear from her.
Nobody is censored for holding different views - prove what you are saying.
And freedom of speech is dead here? oh right,thanks for telling us.
What threats?
Your post is blanket accusations and no proof
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IT WAS PUT IN LARGE CAPS ON THE SITE AS I COULDN’T REMEMBER EMAIL ADDRESS TO SEND IT. GO BACK TO SITE AND ONE CAN’T MISS IT.
Which site? do you mean the forums? I’ll scroll around in the archives then, when I have time.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:38 am
1047
Sledgehammer Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
chenier, yes and the tax man like everyone else will do as the government of the day tell them, what the government wants the government gets, despite rumours of democracy.
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Tosh.
This is a constitutional issue, and it really isn’t easy to change it…
January 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am
1154 Freddy
Pamela, 81, is reported to have told cops she heard Maddie crying for her absent parents for hours — and Gerry and Kate promised it would never happen again.
She has denied the claims.
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Of course it wont happen again…..I wonder why for god sake
January 8th, 2008 at 10:26 am
1154
Freddy Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 5:09 am
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Move over, Michael Caplan! LOL
January 8th, 2008 at 10:08 am
1156
Duncan,
You said : {…} “The Forums work best when there are a variety of opinions/viewpoints up for discussion. A Forum where only one view is expressed is a sterile environment.”
I’d say amen to that!
And now testing my patience….. :
January 8th, 2008 at 9:44 am
1155
DuncanR
The mods and admin here are completely biased towards a clique of posters who rule this site by spin and bullying. Freedom of speech is dead on this site which has become a platform for someone not dissimilar to Gerry McCann. Certain posters use abusive and personal attacks, give out personal details with impunity. Other posters are censored for just holding different views. Satire is dead here and the mob rules. Debate, you say? Only if you repeat the party line. Hardly debate. Contributors are leaving to escape the stranglehold of the thugs here on anorak and their knuckledragger bodyguards. Threats are allowed by mods and admin who not only allow it but actively encourage it. A site once feared by the McCanns is now one megalomaniacs second home. The free thinkers leave on a daily basis.
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Mods and Admin
Who is giving out posters information? we haven’t seen any actually being given out, I asked Cheryl to email me with details two days ago, I’m still waiting to hear from her.
Nobody is censored for holding different views - prove what you are saying.
And freedom of speech is dead here? oh right,thanks for telling us.
What threats?
Your post is blanket accusations and no proof
January 8th, 2008 at 9:43 am
1151
Duncan,
Thanks very much for helping me out.
Nice piccie, was that you running to come to rescue me?
Patience is a virtue, and I’m afraid my friends wouldn’t call that first when people ask them about me [my characteristics].
January 8th, 2008 at 9:11 am
1158
an observer Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 8:01 am
never got an answer from the mccann supporters yesterday, again i ask…
why won’t kate answer the PJ’s questions if she wants to help find maddie?
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….coz they wont find her and she has been advised to just shut up.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Good morning
Before I am off to work: why dont they ALL just say the freaking truth?????
What a mess…..
January 8th, 2008 at 9:00 am
I somehow find a lot of these “pieces of evidence” highly unlikely. For one, I highly doubt Madeleine’s parents to be the killers because why all the publivity then? People would clearly try searching to help them and what if they did eventually find that they killed their daughter? Well here’s jail for the McCann’s who are DOCTORS!
Robert Murat, seems a little suspicious but why is it that there’s no concrete evidence to convict him? His Girlfriend Micheala is now a suspect all because someone thought he saw her handing Madeleine over? That’s just witnesses, and as far as we all know, most sitings were incorrect! SO why should this one suddenly be correct? It’s called “Desperation” Because the police never did do a good job finding correct evidence, now in order to not seem STUPID they are PRETENDING to know who did this crime.
If You ask me, I somehow think the McCann’s are being set up. I have a funny feeling that someone from the police or the police could’ve been involved……..
And if the blood found in the car is indeed Madeleine’s, and investigators are saying that it’s impossible, the doesn’t that only make sense that some1 put it in the car when the Mccann’s hired it?Since it was so EASY to find and FRESH? Why would the Mccann’s still be driving the car they used to transport their possibly dead daughter?
I also though think Madeleine is alive, because what good would a dead child be to a person? Maybe the ransom wasn’t demanded becaus the child was put into use? Weres the evidence that Madeleine IS ACTUALLY dead?
Oh and someone please help me to understand why all the witnesses that say they saw madeleine, not run after and ask something to her? WHO cares about bloody politness when a childs life could be at danger here?!
It’s all a bit weird, and I think someone possibly involved in the investigation is the kidnapper….
January 8th, 2008 at 8:53 am
1158
an observer Says:
why won’t kate answer the PJ’s questions if she wants to help find maddie?
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Who says she won’t answer their questions? Kate has said she will answer them. Goodness, she has even practically offered to swim over to Portugal if need be. It is not her fault that the Portuguese do not want to see her on the front pages in a swimsuit. She has been heavily criticized for her flat chest and monotone emotion-less voice and for her remarkably dry tears. But it is the incompetent PJ that told her not to bother coming back to Portugal. They said, “just wait, Kate” and she has been waiting for them ever since.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:01 am
never got an answer from the mccann supporters yesterday, again i ask…
why won’t kate answer the PJ’s questions if she wants to help find maddie?
January 8th, 2008 at 7:45 am
1151 Tinsel says (January 8th, 2008 at 4:37 am: “It’s starting to get a bit obvious from Clarence’s statements that he knows a legal battle is ahead. It’s all about semantics now.
“Madeleine was never in the car,” he says. Instead of, “Her blood came off some towels — but not from her directly from her.” To me this points to Clarence knowing what happened, but trying to protect the McKillers anyway!
REPLY: Agreed; additionally, his comment about Madeleine being dead was another huge pointer in that direction. They can no longer hold the line about ‘wanting to re-focus on Madeleine’. They have indeed ‘lost the plot’ in this tragi-drama being played out on a public stage
January 8th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Why do people believe a single word they read in the newspapers, gone fishing.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:46 am
General Comment - People abandoning ship
The amount of posts to Anorak on a daily basis is very much higher than that on some other Forums. Part of that higher level of traffic may be attributable to the nature of the posting experience on Anorak. Many Forums are heavily Moderated. ALL comments submitted are held for review before being ‘released’ and printed on the site. This approach prevents repetitive posts, those which are not relevant to the discussion, ‘infantile’/abusive comments, as well as potentially libellous posts being published. The downside is traffic on these sites appears ‘sluggish’ since there is a delay between a post being submitted and it’s appearance on the site.
I suspect one of the attractions of Anorak is the ‘instant messaging’ style of the Forums. Admin/Mods interfere as little as possible and comments submitted are immediately visible to all on the site and can be responded to in ‘real time’ This allows ‘conversations’ to take place. The downside to the Anorak approach is that some contributors use that freedom to be overly-vehement in dismissing opposing viewpoints. Anorak is neither ‘pro’ or ‘anti’ McCann. We offer an opportunity for all viewpoints to be discussed and debated. The key word here is ‘debate’. If contributors to Anorak decide to leave and join other Forums because they feel they are not given the courtesy of having their views taken seriously and the strength/weaknesses of their position examined and tested by logical argument, but are instead treated in – what seems to them – an hostile fashion merely for expressing their opinions then that is a loss to Anorak. The Forums work best when there are a variety of opinions/viewpoints up for discussion. A Forum where only one view is expressed is a sterile environment.
Administrator: Plus the Anorak viewpoint is: They come; they go; they come back again… -agw
January 8th, 2008 at 5:34 am
1150
DuncanR Says:
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that’s a brilliant smiley ( i am not sure if it’s called a smiley or not but it is great whatever it is called)
thanks for taking on board suggestion about better search capabilities.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Stevo, are you saying that they air-brushed the elbow? I will admit that elbow looks a bit clumsy in that photo. But the McCanns are odd, clumsy people. If they want to airbrush in an elbow, or make a photo with two left feet, that is their business. It is not a crime.
Kate was correct to shout at the PJ , in exasperation and frustration at their incompetence ,”put up or shut up! where’s the damn body?” The PJ have no body , and they have thus arrested nobody. All they have is some deteriorating DNA cells that indicate an abductor killed the girl, probably as a result of everyone blaming the McCanns, for that is likely what gave him the idea to plant the body in the car. Thanks to McCann haters, the McCanns are being framed by an evil abductor.
Imagine Gerry’s surprise when he went to change a flat tire, and found a deflated corpse in place of the wheel! They probably both fainted. But they may have gotten rid of the body without even checking to see if it was Madeleine.
Or the abductor might have followed them around, and removed the body from the Renault when they were away from the vehicle. In that case, they unknowingly transported the body, and are completely guilt-less.
It may be that secretly they are GLAD the girl is dead, but, though reprehensible, there is nothing illegal about Kate being happy an abductor killed her brat, who was getting on Kate’s nerves according to the diary.
Stevo, you need to remember that fake photos are not illegal, and are not evidence. The only evidence in this case is that Jane Tanner saw an abductor carrying what could have been a dead girl.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:01 am
Maria, can you tell us the NAME of the site where you are going? It sounds marvelous….
January 8th, 2008 at 4:37 am
It’s starting to get a bit obvious from Clarence’s statements that he knows a legal battle is ahead.
It’s all about semantics now.
“Madeleine was never in the car,” he says.
Instead of, “Her blood came off some towels — but not from her directly from her.”
To me this points to Clarence knowing what happened, but trying to protect the McKillers anyway!
January 8th, 2008 at 4:27 am
957 - Totje
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I have edited your post to make the pic you included with your comment ‘visible’
Duncan
January 8th, 2008 at 4:21 am
Mr Mitchell could have been released from his job to take on duties of spokesperson just to make sure nothing slipped out and incriminated a lot of people.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:55 am
1123 Melanie
If you are still up and online, do you have a link to those pics?
January 8th, 2008 at 3:32 am
966 Ciara-Louise
Happy Birthday C-Lou xxx
January 8th, 2008 at 2:40 am
1145 Matt and others
sleep well
January 8th, 2008 at 2:33 am
1141…veritablequandary
Goodnight to you too, VB.
Goodnight all…..
January 8th, 2008 at 2:32 am
I will be interesting to hear the Clary comments tomorrow. Goodnight matt, look forward to a healthy discussion tomorrow
January 8th, 2008 at 2:32 am
1139…veritablequandary
Indeed….Clarence will have to curb his bombast a bit in days to
come, I think. Or be in great danger of being in centre-stage for
other reasons than being just a mouthpiece.
Goodnight Melanie….sleep well.