Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
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DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
99 Ferdinand - a nappy would have given an immediate urine specimen and the nappies over the next 24 hours would have given further specimens. Don’t tell me you are thinking this busy perp slipped the twins and Madeleine some GHB (obviously, child friendly taste as they didn’t scream and resist it).
January 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am
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chenier (and noseycow)
A tree unobserved doesnt make a noise. The vibrations resulting from the trees collapse doesnt cause an observers eardrums to vibrate in response, hence no noise!
Anyway, back to ‘fact’.
The existence of facts in law.
Evidence is the legal version of ‘fact’ in a court of law. Some evidence is not admissable, not because it doesnt exist, but because it is perhaps inadmissable through some legal technicality (the timing of its collection, perhaps). So althoug it might be ‘fact’ - as far as the court is concerned it does not exist.
It is a fact that red is red and blue is blue. But is this a fact to the colour blind?
What I perceive as the truth, as the facts, may differ to that which you preceive as the truth, as the facts.
Its a fact and its undeniable, you might say, I deny it - I might say. It is therefore not a fact to me! Is it a fact that man walked on the moon? I believe it to be so. Others deny it. Hence the legal terms ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ and ‘on the balance of probabilities’.
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Er, I think perhaps you are attempting to convert the conventions of one particular legal system into the much sought after ‘Theory of Everything’.
Judges in this particular legal system have no difficulties whatsoever with the concepts of facts; try telling one that facts do not exist and you will be laughed, as the saying goes, out of court.
Evidence isn’t a fact, evidence is what you use to determine facts.
May I suggest that you read the first paragraph of Lord Justice Judge’s judgement on the Cannings’ case.
‘Angela Cannings was born in May 1963, the daughter of Stephen Connolly. After her marriage to Terry Cannings, they had four children, Gemma, born on 14th August 1989, Jason, born on 25th April 1991, Jade, born on 15th January 1996 and Matthew, born on 5th July 1999. Three of these children, Gemma, Jason, and Matthew died in infancy.’
It’s simply a sequence of undisputed facts.
Consider another judgement, this time from Justice Atrill:
‘The short facts are these. At 10.30 pm on 2nd July the complainant, Mr Scott, who was simply an innocent bypassing pedestrian, walked past a group of young men drinking outside a public house in Telford. He was, for no reason apparent to him, spun round and surrounded by a number of young men. The appellant was one of them. He demanded money from him, whilst two others of the gang of youths held Mr Scott’s arms. He, with fortitude, told them to “Fuck off” and for that he was punched in the face several times.’
Again, the judge does indeed believe that he is giving the facts…
January 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am
bye
January 12th, 2008 at 10:44 am
89 miss match
spume - yep i remember
paul did a really good advert for milk, based on that character
in the end i have a suspicion that paul whitehouse himself is the thing that’s “brilliant”
January 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
99 Ferdinand
Ah but we do.
Gerry had the twins checked 5 months after the event to prove that there were no sedatives in the children.
Im pretty sure that he might have mentioned having had the children checked well before then. Im not sure if its a fact, but I understood that the McCanns refused offers from the PJ for the childen to be tested.
Bearing in mind that Gerry is a consultant regarding testing for misuse of drugs in sports, I think it veyr interesting indeed that he didnt make any kind of ’show’ about testing or having the kids tested.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Again the politicos “helping” the mccs !
Remember “Gazeta Digital” ,telling us that Mr. Brown asked more time ?
This is not helping the P.J.~
This is helping G.B. and th emcc team
More spins ,more lies ,more smoke and mirrors ,to fool the “joe” public
January 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:33 am
EDIT
So a key question, was the door on the car park side locked and if it was, was this a lcok which only prevented the door from being opened from the outside?
Another question, if they knew they couldnt go the back route because Gerry was there chatting with Jez, why turn right and walk purposely across the very road on which Gerry and Jez were standing?
EDIT
Why turn right? Because the (hypothetical) abductor did not know Gerrry was standing on that street chatting. He/she/they expected, after having observed thte father’s movements in the days before, that Gerry would have walked back to the restaurant straight away, without stopping.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
right back to business:
Ferdinand - can you please explain the following.
Having returned to your appartment and discovered that your daughter is missing you do not immediately pick up and cuddle your other children, you leave them to sleep, and actively discourage people from going into their room in order to let them sleep (taken from g’s panarama interveiw).
If your daughter is missing - would you check your other children were ok? would you wake them in order to do this? Two doctors would be fully aware that in order to assess that someone was ok that they would have to be conscious.
But most normal people would want/need the physical reassurance of cuddling their children at such a stressful time - but this is a minor point.
Also would you want to ask them if anything had happened - ok they are small but parents and small children can actually communicate in some form.
You may leave them at some point to search for your daughter - i agree with that, but would you later having left them to sleep and now moving to another appartment, let your friend carry them to their new bedroom?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Regarding doors - where the doors locked with traditional metal keys are were Ving(?) card (credit card type keys seen in hotels) used. If the Ving cards were used, you can get a print out of every precise time the door was unlocked and whether it was the room occupant or an employee who unlocked the doors. Very useful when theft is claimed by an occupant of a hotel room and blamed on the housekeeping department! Just a thought……
The trail of our movements and activities these days is very Big Brother, which many people do not realise.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:40 am
85 Ian Says:
“78 Ferdinand
Gerry hardly deserves the name ‘Father’. Being a Dad is not about genetics. Its quite clear that Gerry was (is) an appalling ‘Father’ - and to take up a comment made by one of the exceptionally intelligent (but with apparently widening waistlines) morning posters, he didnt even have the remaining children medically checked after a quite horrendous monster had been poking around in their apartment.”
But they are doctors. They might have checked them. (As to pulse, pupils, reflexes etc… we all know how doctors check). What would have been of interest and what you certainly think of would be a urine sample. We don’t know whether that wasn’t done.
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Mods and Admin
Would the parents take a small laboratory with them in order to test bloods/ urine for drugs? Surely a forensic medical officer would have insisted at the soc? or had the children been removed by then. But I should have thought any parent……
January 12th, 2008 at 10:36 am
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noseycow Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:31 am
morning tony - please watch that sense of humour as we’ll soon have a possy of posters accusing you of not taking the abduction of a little girl seriousely lol
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Only if he comes up with another anagram.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:33 am
i just love this kelsey thingie
just think how hard it must be for el comico to think of the words to use without looking a complete dickhead hypocrite
i think he’s failed already
wonderful fun
January 12th, 2008 at 10:33 am
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Rosemary
Fascinating! So the original story was that the door had been opened! Does anyone know if this door was of the type which is locked from the outside but can be opened from the inside?
Obviously if someone got in through a door, they’d leave by the door and not through an adjacent (shuttered) window. If they came in through the window, they’d possibly leave through the door, if it wasnt locked from the inside.
If they came in through the other doors (sliding ones) and couldnt leave through them (as they knew Gerry was chatting with Jez near that exist route), theyd not open a window if they could get out through the other door.
So a key question, was the door on the car park side locked and if it was, was this a lcok which only prevented the door from being opened from the outside?
Another question, if they knew they couldnt go the back route because Gerry was there chatting with Jez, why turn right and walk purposely across the very road on which Gerry and Jez were standing?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:32 am
licking fingers.. mmm
January 12th, 2008 at 10:31 am
morning tony - please watch that sense of humour as we’ll soon have a possy of posters accusing you of not taking the abduction of a little girl seriousely lol
January 12th, 2008 at 10:31 am
90 Re: noseycow
“I’ll have what she’s having!”
January 12th, 2008 at 10:31 am
82 noseycow Says:
“I might have actually agreed with you on this one but there are some facts that i can’t dismiss as easily as some others can and they colour my judgement somewhat .. if you’re interested we could discuss them?”
Always interested.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Ferdinand,
You made a comment on the previous thread about (hypothetically) a child being taken as a hostage, if there was blackmail involved.
In your opinion, if this was the case, do you think we will ever know the truth or will the parents be made a scapegoat and therefore we also will never know the truth?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am
gloria /ian
just stuffing face with butty - mmm delicious mmm - am currently doing an impression of when harry met sally
January 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
83 Ade - Remember the walk by the sea and ‘Spume’ ? Isn’t spume brilliant! Genius!
January 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am
78 Ferdinand says (January 12th, 2008 at 10:19 am): “But don’t you think that it’s a difference if a politician says something before an election such as “no more taxes for the time being.” and then raises taxes after an election - in which case one might agree that he was deceiving us. Or if a father who has no personal experience in having his children abducted changes his mind about how he could tackle it best?”
MESSAGE FROM TEAM MCCANN H.Q.:
Congratulations this month to Ferdinand, the winner of our monthly award for the best contributor to Madeleine Forums. We really liked this highly original and clever contribitioon to the debate: “Or if a father who has no personal experience in having his children abducted changes his mind about how he could tackle it best?” Well done, Ferdinand, six free yellow bangles are on their way to you right now!
L
January 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am
85 Ian
Gloria loosens belt a notch to accommodate widening waistline.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Tris - morning
Gloria - yep it has to be done (again and again and again ad infinitum)
January 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
78 Ferdinand
Gerry hardly deserves the name ‘Father’. Being a Dad is not about genetics. Its quite clear that Gerry was (is) an appalling ‘Father’ - and to take up a comment made by one of the exceptionally intelligent (but with apparently widening waistlines) morning posters, he didnt even have the remaining children medically checked after a quite horrendous monster had been poking around in their apartment.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
9 carmen
nice legs - nice face too
January 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
61 miss match
aha the wonderful paul whitehouse
January 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
78 ferdinand - at least next time he’ll know how to tackle it better eeh?
I might have actually agreed with you on this one but there are some facts that i can’t dismiss as easily as some others can and they colour my judgement somewhat .. if you’re interested we could discuss them?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Morning all…
I like Kelsey Lynn, her mum and her agent. They are out-McCanning the McCanns. Thus generating “outrage” and “fury” of the sort that any monopoly feels when someone horns in on their turf.
This whole case is a pool of money completely surrounded by greedy fraudsters. It’s nice to see that the Fragrant Ones have a bit of competition.
How long until they sue little Kelsey Lynn for trademark infringement?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
75 Miss Match
sigh! pure genius!
January 12th, 2008 at 10:19 am
noseycow
NOOOOO! Not the odd socks again this weekend! Not the avelanche cupboard!