Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 11:09 am
ye - but peter that ref - was definately dodgey.. IMO
January 12th, 2008 at 11:09 am
130 Daisy (sorry, typo on your name before). What was the motive for kidnapping? Most kidnaps are motivated by money. Whilst the McCanns outwardly appeared ‘well to do’, the MW resort is hardly a millionaires’ hang out, and their finances seemed to be pretty stretched.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
113 Ian Says: January 12th, 2008 at 10:54 am
107 chenier
Edit…
I repeat, your percetions are different to my perceptions. Your facts are different to my facts.
Edit….
Lets agree to disagree and move on!
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This afternoon, evening and tomorrow millions of people will “discuss” their different perceptions….. Was the ball in? Does the ref need glasses? It was a dead cert penalty.. etc…
Least many of those will do it over a beer.
And yes, of course all of the ball crossed the line!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Peter O 118 - 121
Don’t have the Marmite if you don’t want it. You could try a lovely butty like noseycow had.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
go ian!! - I got a hat ready (though i don’t actually understand a word of what either of you are saying).
January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
117 Daisy
Which would fly, except for a key ‘fact’ - the only ‘fact’ available to us which supports any kind of proof of abdcution - Tanners sighting of the cartoon man.
He could not have passed Gerry, Tanner and Jez and got to the point of sighting by Tanner - actually that whole sighting would be exposed as a ludicrous invention if the man had left by the patio doors.
Any theory of exit by that route wipes out the only abduction ‘evidence’.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
126
Gloria Smudd
I think she was called Maddy and the child heard crying was crying Maddy, allegedly.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
113
Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:54 am
107
chenier
Incorrect. Evidence is legal fact. Proof is the legal version of truth. Im not discussing legla cases here - judges too have different perceptions, or there wouldnt be any appeal courts or court heirarchies or precedent or statutory interpretation or disgareemtn on what the facts are!
I would never be ‘laughed out of court’ because we are discussing facts which would not be recognised by a court and such a debate would never take place in a court - we arent in a court!
I repeat, your percetions are different to my perceptions. Your facts are different to my facts.
Millions of people believe different things to factual. If you cannot see that by disagreeing with me you are proving my point, then I dont think further discussion on the subject betwene us will be fruitful to either of us!
Lets agree to disagree and move on!
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The problem with your view is that the claim that ‘Evidence is legal fact’ is not only wrong in law but self evidently must be a question of law.
I can prove that.
You cannot prove the opposite.
Find one judge, anywhere, saying that ”Evidence is legal fact’ and I will buy a hat, cover it in Marmite, and eat it.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:04 am
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Ferdinand Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
91 Daisy Says:
“Ferdinand,
You made a comment on the previous thread about (hypothetically) a child being taken as a hostage, if there was blackmail involved.
In your opinion, if this was the case, do you think we will ever know the truth or will the parents be made a scapegoat and therefore we also will never know the truth?”
I think the truth could well come out. There really is not that much “conspiracy” in my theory, simply that during an ongoing kidnapping the authorities might not publish everything they know.
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That has been one of my beliefs all along. The authorities have not released/leaked info regarding everything they know.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Ylenia Lenhard, I was referring to, re the toluene.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Daqisy 117 - and where do the open shutters feature in this scenario?
January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Any parent, especially a doctor, fearing one child had been abducted by a paedophile would want to know his remaining children had not been touched and had not been infected with HIV, etc, never mind drugs, surely?
Urs Hans von Aesch used toluene, the Swiss investigators believe, to knock her out.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am
From the timesonline article 5th May which Rosemary linked.
*..they ate tapas only 50 yards away..*
*..Madeleine, known as Maddy,..*
*..clutching Madeleine’s pink teddy bear..*
*..The couple checked their children every half hour and ensured that the doors were locked, it was said..*
*..between their checks at 9.30 and 10pm..*
*.. the apartment was broken into through a window and Madeleine was taken, according to her aunt..*
*”The front door was open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open and Madeleine was missing.”* (Trish Cameron)
*”They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her”.* (Trish Cameron)
*”They went out about 8, went back in at 9, they were fine, went back in at 10 and she was gone..”* (Jill Renwick)
January 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am
107
chenier
Oh and one other thing, its difficult to cite cases where evidence (facts) were inadmissable or suppressed!
Thats my point. The facts presented may not be all of the facts (and rarely if ever are all the facts).
From those ‘facts’ presented the court will apply the law. It will not apply the law to ‘facts’ not presented. The perception is that no other ‘facts’ exist, as you cannot compare any ‘facts’ to the law if you dont have those ‘facts’ to present.
So the existence of fact, the presentaion of fact and the definition of fact all impact on the outcome.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am
109 Gloria Smudd
creme de la menthe
January 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am
‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Why is it everybody on team McCann seems so dodgy?
January 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
114 Ferdinand - in Italy, and not sure if it is the same as in Portugal, but the first thing that the police do when there is a kidnapping, is to freeze the bank accounts of the family to stop them paying a ransom demand to kidnappers. Italians do not negotiate with kidnappers, (allegedly).
Considering that the McCanns were unable to pay their mortgate shortly after the ‘abduction’, I seriously doubt that Madeleine was a kidnap target for financial gain.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Maybe….. no further comment!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
THOSE… Double Grrrrr…
Maybie I need some Marmite on my toast!
January 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
ONE of thos two! Grrrr
January 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
63 Gloria Smudd Says: January 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
62 chenier
Just had mine for breakfast. I might have some more later. I might have it again for my tea.
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Marmite…. A bit like the McCann’s… You either love it or loath it. Though I suspect on of those two is rather more “popular” than the other…
January 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
102 Daisy
If they didnt know Gerry was there, why didnt they use the easy exit of the sliding doors?
They seemed happy enough to use it for entry (having timed it badly so that they apparently entered just before Gerry was due to arrive to check).
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Ian,
Well, my theory actually is that they could have entered and existed through the sliding doors, after Gerry had made that check (if he indeed checked on the children as he says). They could have been hiding and waiting for this check to happen and they could have quickly sneeked in, take the child and leave, all through the balcony/terrace. Just a theory.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
112 chenier
But is it a fact? Maybe they were and its been kept from us? We perceive it as a fact, but is it?
January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
113 Sorry about all those typos! Really ought to check more thoroughly!
January 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
91 Daisy Says:
“Ferdinand,
You made a comment on the previous thread about (hypothetically) a child being taken as a hostage, if there was blackmail involved.
In your opinion, if this was the case, do you think we will ever know the truth or will the parents be made a scapegoat and therefore we also will never know the truth?”
I think the truth could well come out. There really is not that much “conspiracy” in my theory, simply that during an ongoing kidnapping the authorities might not publish everything they know.
January 12th, 2008 at 10:54 am
107
chenier
Incorrect. Evidence is legal fact. Proof is the legal version of truth. Im not discussing legla cases here - judges too have different perceptions, or there wouldnt be any appeal courts or court heirarchies or precedent or statutory interpretation or disgareemtn on what the facts are!
I would never be ‘laughed out of court’ because we are discussing facts which would not be recognised by a court and such a debate would never take place in a court - we arent in a court!
I repeat, your percetions are different to my perceptions. Your facts are different to my facts.
Millions of people believe different things to factual. If you cannot see that by disagreeing with me you are proving my point, then I dont think further discussion on the subject betwene us will be fruitful to either of us!
Lets agree to disagree and move on!
January 12th, 2008 at 10:51 am
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Ferdinand Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 10:40 am
But they are doctors. They might have checked them. (As to pulse, pupils, reflexes etc… we all know how doctors check). What would have been of interest and what you certainly think of would be a urine sample. We don’t know whether that wasn’t done.
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Blood samples would be needed as well as continuous monitoring.
And for that you need a hospital.
One of the few facts that we have is that the twins were not taken to a hospital…
January 12th, 2008 at 10:48 am
mornin’ carmen
aren’t fenders just brilliant?
and cherry red?
brilliant
January 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
102 Daisy
If they didnt know Gerry was there, why didnt they use the easy exit of the sliding doors?
They seemed happy enough to use it for entry (having timed it badly so that they apparently entered just before Gerry was due to arrive to check).
January 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Ade
in the end i have a suspicion that paul whitehouse himself is the thing that’s “brilliant”
FACT.