Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 11:59 am
CLARENCE ADMITS:
He controls what can and what cannot be printed in the British press.
Brian Kennedy did NOT pay him so far- explains his current moneygrabbing?
His wife tragically lost her baby- yet he did NOT return to Britain to comfort her.
“Research may last one year”
It is the experience of Clarence Mitchell that McCann reconquistarem trust for the public
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Clarence turned immediately to Gerry once read in the newspaper that the police has not yet Portuguese sufficient evidence to incriminate PHOTO TIAGO MIRANDA
Clarence Mitchell through the streets of London with the same speed with which speaks to the phone - which, incidentally, never stops playing. The spokesman of McCann serves 60 calls per day (only Gerry McCann linking him five to six times). Mitchell spoke to the Express while taking the breakfast, a day before the publication of the photo taken in Morocco by a Spanish tourist.
P Trocou its place as an employee of the British Government, by the spokesperson of McCann. It took this decision for reasons sentimental or professional ambition?
R I am not a person sentimental. And I am much less make plans for the future. I accepted the invitation of McCann because I know that they are innocent.
P He said if they are ever involved in the disappearance of her daughter?
R Never needed to make that question because we talk constantly about it. And both tell me where not their fault. As I spent a month with them, they believe in me. Just see how dealing with the twins, Sean and Amelie. Sees that are very dedicated to children and never would do anything to hurt. The argument may not prove anything, but for me, it is important to know that working with people honest.
P To defend the innocence of McCann so security must know more than say …
R know the facts that can explain all suspected police found the car they rented or in the apartment. I can not go further details. Some of the complaints that arise in the press Portuguese - the British newspapers are limited to translate what is written - supposedly happened when I was there with them. So we know the truth.
Q How explains the odor a corpse found in the vehicle rented 25 days later?
R I answer it is for me. Never happened nothing that would lead me to suspect of McCann. And not only with them at night for obvious reasons. But the history of the car is not the only one that does not make sense: it was suggested in the press that Kate and Gerry were to bury the body of Fatima Maddie. I was with them on this trip and assure that no one buried there.
P Esteve one month in the Algarve with the couple. Who sent and what are McCann, so special?
R They are not the Mourinho (laughs). This is one of the points that Gerry was stress on the phone and wanted me to send him: they are a normal family, equal to many others of the middle class. They are people with higher education but, above all, love their children. There are influential people. Neither ever had a privileged treatment.
P has been sent by the Foreign Office. All British in trouble have the same treatment?
R Whenever a British have problems abroad is it offered consular assistance. As it was a missing child, not a theft of documents, the assistance provided by the Consulate General of Portimão was higher. With the case to dominate the ‘media’, the Foreign Office in London, it reminded me because had experience as a reporter and knew the “pivots” English. Not Tony Blair or the current prime minister, Gordon Brown, who offered. I am not a spokesperson of them, or phone them to ask for advice.
But P was responsible for media, on a global scale, of McCann. The fact that working for the British government helped him work …
R In Portugal, built to be a misconception mine. I was the director of the Media Monitoring Unit (Unit of the Media Monitoring) of the government. Ali employed 40 people and the function of which is to control what comes out in the media. Every morning, meet me with the spokesman of the Prime Minister in number 10 Downing Street and debating the developments. There came there and spoke directly to Gordon Brown. All I could do for the McCann was using my computer and phone.
P Bastou you to connect to the right people to bring Kate and Gerry to an audience with the Pope.
R E am Protestant! When I was in the Algarve on behalf of the Foreign Office maintained contacts with the British embassy. Vatican inclusive. By Cormac Murphy O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, knew that the demise of Maddie had not passed unnoticed in the Vatican. And suggested that pedíssemos an audience with the Pope. I did that I wrote this email, as Gerry and Kate did not want special treatment.
P was up to you to use the “media” for the case does not fall into oblivion? Some experts argue that the exposure is fatal …
R Parents relied on my instincts. I only said they wanted to do everything to find. So they decided to make a tour in Europe, which began in Amsterdam. After a visit to Germany, Kate was inclined to North Africa. It is in that area that Kate still suspects that Maddie can be.
Q With the change of course of the investigation, the attitude of Kate (the fact that not cry in public) was criticised. In private, what was your reaction?
R Kate is very strong. It appears as a woman aside and contained in emotions but is suffering greatly. We saw the cry in private. It also say that parents have been advised by experts not to reveal their emotions in public. The raptor could like to see them to suffer.
P There is a lot of speculation about the events of the day on May 3. What did Kate when not seen his daughter in the room?
The R testimony claiming that Kate shouted “they took it” are wrong. And I say no more.
While P journalist followed the story of Jessica and Holly, in Soham. The children were found dead two weeks later. Foresaw the same outcome for the case Maddie?
R I thought that by this time she had been found dead or alive. But an equal to the outcome of Holly and Jessica is possible. I do not want to, and can not, speak of Robert Murata but some journalists who worked me in Soham, and were now in Portugal, saw similarities between this case and Robert Murat. Most say no.
P Before accepting the invitation of Kate and Gerry admitted that needed some assurances. Referring to Brian Kennedy, the businessman who pays you the orderly?
R could not dismiss me from the Government without having the matter resolved. It was unacceptable that the Fund Maddie me pay the salary. The solution was the best: working for McCann but me who pays the salary is the entrepreneur Brian Kennedy, willing to help them financially. My aim is to help them overcome this stage but I want to be paid for it. What has not yet happened.
P The generosity of some personalities, such as Richard Branson, allowed McCann hire the best lawyers that money can buy. Aconselhou them in the choice?
A Not at all. But it is important to recognize the best professionals are surrounded Portuguese and British. They are suspected of having killed his daughter and get rid of his body. This is a very serious accusation. People want us indicted and tried. Or that Maddie appear as early as next week. And that is not what will happen. This research may last almost a year.
P They still believe in the Portuguese police? Or want to follow other avenues, using so the private detectives?
R I have to be careful with what I say. It is a sensitive issue. The McCann wants to continue to cooperate with the police. And they must do so. Even if Maddie is not already in Portugal, the PJ remains a centerpiece. However, any father in the same situation has the right to use all means to find the child. I am not confirm the hiring of private agents.
P began the interview to say that it was not sentimental but in the journey through Europe with the McCann was photographed to cry. That day, the former journalist was news …
R Not intentional. But when he learned that my wife had lost the baby, I felt lost and angry for being there and not next to it. It is at least ironic that during this demand by Maddie, also has lost a son. Pequenino, yes, but it was my son. I think that with you.
Maria Barbosa
January 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
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Chenier
I was thinking of a bigger window (of opportunity)
January 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
176 Rosemary Says:
“Ferdinand
Do you have any idea of the normal police procedure for suspected rape victims (in this case it would be the twins)? I take it you don’t have children.”
Funny conclusion.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Daisy - I just re-read your post and apologies for thinking that you were blaming the Mafia. I’m reading too quickly and trying to keep up, so my fault there.
Sorry, but there is nothing that indicates kidnap to me at all. I have enjoyed debating with you, but I think at this point we will just end up going around in circles!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
167 Daisy.
Ok Daisy, but what happens to the sighting by Tanner? It blows it away?
So you think that not only have the McCanns ‘fabricated’ the crime scene to protect themselves from neglect charges but their friends are telling lies about having seen the abductor!
In short, the McCanns and their friends have committed a terrible fraud to defend themselves and badly compromised the investigation.
I apologise wholeheartedly to you for ever suspecting you were pro-McCann. Frankly, I agree that the Tanner sighting is a fabrication and the only evidence of abduction is a lie (non factual - disproven and disproving of abduction).
We would then have no evidence at all to suggest abduction, but we would have opportunity. Your scenario doesnt move us far, but it does increase the pressure on the McCanns - as proven liars!
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Ian,
I don’t recall saying that the T9 are telling lies regarding seeing someone carrying something that looked like a child, did I? No need to apologize because I’m neither anti nor pro-McCann.
Yes, in my opinion, they have lied about certain things, but not about everything. I am not inclined at this stage to dismiss the possibility of an abduction. You may disagree.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am
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January 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am
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Rosemary Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:54 am
In the last couple of days has anyone detected some testing of the water to a different version of reality?
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Well, there’s certainly the reservoir, allegedly not tested properly…
January 12th, 2008 at 11:56 am
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Chenier
psychologists and eye-witnesses
January 12th, 2008 at 11:56 am
176 Daisy
“In my opinion, they have told many, many lies….”
When looking for the guilty party in a case like this i would have thought the people who lie might be first in the line up. I am interested in why you want them to be innocent Daisy. It’s not as if you are giving any serious alternative abduction theories, just a factor X argument, just like the third way (if you remember him). That gets boring after a while. It makes me wonder if you really want the ‘unknown’ to be true simply so you never have to make that apology you promised (not that i really care).
January 12th, 2008 at 11:56 am
179 chenier Says: January 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am
154 Ian Says: January 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am
…Its written down in my course notes! Evidence is the legal version of the facts (says the course book!) proof is the legal version of truth.
Edit…
You can cite as many cases as you like, but you will never find one which supports your course book’s claim that ‘Evidence is the legal version of the facts’…
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Layman’s interpretation…… so apologies if the terminology is incorrect, it’s the principle I’m interested in..
In a “simple” case, both sides in the legal argument surely present “evidence”. Both sides then seek to discredit that evidence or place alternate interpretations on the other parties “evidence”?
Now, if a dozen worthy witnesses appear and say they saw “A” shoot “B” in broad daylight there may in fact be not much to discuss?
On the other hand… If an expert witness says this DNA implies this…. You can guarantee the other side are going to produce their own expert witness to discredit, place doubt or reinterpret that “evidence”?
Ergo, “evidence” isn’t always “fact”?
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Mods and Admin
It would be better to stick to laymens terms, as most here are not law students or lawyers, and the speculation is purely layman anyway.
And this is Anorak, not a court of law - too much of Sledgehammer whacking his gavel methinks.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:56 am
January 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am
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January 12th, 2008 at 11:54 am
In the last couple of days has anyone detected some testing of the water to a different version of reality?
January 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am
January 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am
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Rosemary Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
181
Ian
Talk to psychiatrists about perception
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Indeed; and to psychologists about eye witnesses…
January 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
181 ian
he was born in scotland
that makes him scottish
January 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
181
Ian
Talk to psychiatrists about perception
January 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am
164 Gloria
No! My point exactly! It is in our perception - my point (which chenier managed to confuse into a study of legal principles and case law) is, perception is reality and perceptions differ, facts are not often definitive fixed in value or meaning.
Its a fact that Gerry McCann is scottish -well he isnt really is he?!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:48 am
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Miss Match Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am
169 Daisy - No Sicilian mafia in Portugal so there goes that theory. They don’t like to stray too far from Mamma’s Sicilian home cooking. (No dingos in Portugal either…..)
As for revenge, who did he piss off enough in Portugal in the short time that they were there for someone to do this? Also, if this is a revenge kidnap, how did this mighty annoyed person know that the children would be left on their own during this holiday? How did they know that they were going to the MW complex?
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Miss Match,
You misunderstood what I said. I didn’t say the mafia is involved, it was just an example of kinapping without financial motive. Dingoes?
Look past the events of that night. I’m not saying that revenge could have been from someone local, but from something that could have happened in their past, before PDL. If this was a well organized (theoretically) abduction, well beyond just the opportunist abductor, people can find out about someone’s moves very easily.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am
…Its written down in my course notes! Evidence is the legal version of the facts (says the course book!) proof is the legal version of truth.
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Then your course book is wrong.
Thus demonstrating the point that judges have laboured since time imemorial to knock into people’s heads.
Paraphrasing a piece of statute, or a judge’s comments, is a process fraught with disaster which should be avoided at all costs.
Trying to make things easier to understand frequently ensures that what people understand is actually wrong.
Incidentally, you say also
‘I can try to swamp you with cases (I have access to thousands and thouands of citations!)’
Everybody has access to thousands and thousands of citations:
http://www.bailii.org/
The tricky bit is understanding them.
You can cite as many cases as you like, but you will never find one which supports your course book’s claim that ‘Evidence is the legal version of the facts’…
January 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
167 Daisy.
Ok Daisy, but what happens to the sighting by Tanner? It blows it away?
So you think that not only have the McCanns ‘fabricated’ the crime scene to protect themselves from neglect charges but their friends are telling lies about having seen the abductor!
In short, the McCanns and their friends have committed a terrible fraud to defend themselves and badly compromised the investigation.
I apologise wholeheartedly to you for ever suspecting you were pro-McCann. Frankly, I agree that the Tanner sighting is a fabrication and the only evidence of abduction is a lie (non factual - disproven and disproving of abduction).
We would then have no evidence at all to suggest abduction, but we would have opportunity. Your scenario doesnt move us far, but it does increase the pressure on the McCanns - as proven liars!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
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Ade,
Full of known unknowns…..
January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am
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January 12th, 2008 at 11:27 am
151 Daisy
If the parents lied to the police to cover their skin, putting their daughter ay risk then they are scum and i think you need to admit this, Daisy. After all, how long did their ‘panic’ last?
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Man on a hill,
I have never said that the parents are great parents nor that they are great people. I find it absolutely disgusting that they left the kids alone and they are in that sense, responsible for Maddie’s fate, in my opinion. Unfortunately, when someone starts with one lie to cover something up, and then things don’t quite add up, another lie follows and so on, therefore it just snowballs from there. In my opinion, they appear to have told many, many lies and are now stuck with their story, but, in my opinion also, this does not exclude the possibility of abduction and their genuine search for the child.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Ferdinand
Do you have any idea of the normal police procedure for suspected rape victims (in this case it would be the twins)? I take it you don’t have children.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am
169 Daisy - No Sicilian mafia in Portugal so there goes that theory. They don’t like to stray too far from Mamma’s Sicilian home cooking. (No dingos in Portugal either…..)
As for revenge, who did he piss off enough in Portugal in the short time that they were there for someone to do this? Also, if this is a revenge kidnap, how did this mighty annoyed person know that the children would be left on their own during this holiday? How did they know that they were going to the MW complex?
January 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am
168 Miss Match
Yes, your on fire, enjoy it.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:38 am
145 Rosemary
i imagine the view inside donald rumsfeld’s brain is of a wide open space with tumbleweeds rolling across and the toll of a bell in the distance
January 12th, 2008 at 11:38 am
139 chenier
Evidence is that which is used to determine the legal version of truth (which is proof).
Anyway, lets stay on track. In a nutshell, I am claiming that facts arent often definitive but are often perceptual. Often communities agree on something as being a fact and no longer dispute it, they accept it.
I dont need to introduce the opinions of others (Donald wassiface etc) as I have my own opinion, which is a fact. You think my opinion is wrong.
You prove my point every time you respond. My version of the facts differs from your version of the facts..ergo…we perceive the world differently!
Once it was an accepted fact that he world was flat. Now its an accepted fact that the world isnt falt.
Global warming is an accepted fact (or is it?).
Its a fact that Global warming is caused by human acitvities (or is it?)
Its a fact that the rain forest being destroyed has caused climate change - its a fact that restoring the rain forests is the only solution (or is it?).
Perception is reality. My perception differs from yours - no further time to debate this one as hopefully everyone is sick of the topic and this place is about Madeleine McCann!
January 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
161 noseycow - very true and so sad isn’t it.
January 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
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Miss Match Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Daisy - Yes, Dr McCann sits on the odd committee as an advisor, but he is hardly a big fish. If he really carries the weight and power that you believe, surely the McCann children would have had body guards.
If this was a political kidnap, I doubt the worldwide publicity would help. On the contrary, it would put Madeleine’s life in danger.
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Miss Match,
Political reason is just one of the possibilities. Revenge is another one. Money is not always the reason behind kidnapping. The Mafia has money and kidnap cases have been for revenge or favors, for example.