Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
401…Ian
Indeed….good attitude…keep it up !!
But one would think that someone who is so concerned about such as
the bad debating behaviour within the meaning of “Ad hominem”
would actually practice what they preach so often.
January 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
405
chenier
Thats what I was trying to say!
January 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
404 Peter O
Whilst I dont always agree with all of your posts, I always have to read them carefully as they often contain nuggets of wisdom - and I think you are better at structuring your posts and arguments than I am!
It pains me to see you waste your talents arguing with those who are well below your weight!
January 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
370
Daisy Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
366
chenier Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
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Chenier,
Don’t take my comment out of context, thanks!
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I wasn’t.
You have posted at some length about the McCanns’ neglect of their children.
The whole point is that someone who genuinely believes that the McCanns were gravely at fault in leaving their children alone with no-one to care for them would be absolutely horrified at an article suggesting that the neglect resulted in the child’s hideous death.
Your comments at 296 and 315 were confined to a token ‘How horrible if it is true.’ followed up by a much lengthier moan about the PJ’s alleged failure to follow up ALL (your capitals) leads.
The logical conclusion is that in fact you are only interested in deflecting criticism from Madeleine’s parents.
January 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
400 Daisy Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
382 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
353 Daisy Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
332 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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Yes, you are correct in that sense. Anybody can claim anything and there is no way of verifying such claims (or at least it would be very difficult). But, in that particular conversation, I was stating FACTS.
So, Peter O, do you have any other interesting topics to discuss or are you going to continue with this one all day/night
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You claim your were stating facts and attempted to give your facts substance by making claims about who and what you are. You are in fact expressing opinions, and supposition, just like most other people here.
January 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
378 jane
Brilliant?
Quite amusing I agree, but I didnt actually chuckle as some have made me!
Not sure brilliant - but I guess its the old ‘punching above weight’ thing again!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
390…jane
Presumption of innocence is the Legal Term….get it right.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
396 Matt
Indeed - but its not going to work anymore (I’m not always a quick learner, but that lesson I have under my belt!).
January 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
382
Peter O Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
353 Daisy Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
332 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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Yes, you are correct in that sense. Anybody can claim anything and there is no way of verifying such claims (or at least it would be very difficult). But, in that particular conversation, I was stating FACTS.
So, Peter O, do you have any other interesting topics to discuss or are you going to continue with this one all day/night
January 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
392
Daisy Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
362
Leeza Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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Leeza,
Your are so right when you say “arguing these simple points ad infinitum with Daisy, Maria and co is a waste of time”. Solution? Don’t argue. Problem solved
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I have never answered a post of yours, or Maria’s or Jane’s and never will again. This is the one and only reply you will ever get from me.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
389 veritablequandary Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
225 Daisy Says:
“If you are implying that I’m a “paid” poster, let me assure you that I’m not. I have no connection to the McCann Team etc. (I’m in Australia, by the way and Mods and Admin can confirm that by looking at my email address and my ISP provider).”
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I think Daisy is the missing nanny who scarpered . . .
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Anything is possible in this affair!
It would not be particularly difficult for an IT savvy person, or someone with IT savvy support, to appear to be located in any particular region and IP address. Not saying this applies to Daisy, because I simply don’t know, but it’s just another claim that cannot be verified satisfactorily. It is actually irrelevant who someone claims to be nor where they claim to be located.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
390 jane
Here we go again!
In a court room and for some charges, it is the position taken. It does not mean innocence is ever proved, it means that guilt is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt. In some cases the burden of proof moves to the defendent - so its not as cut and dried as the posters here sometimes think.
By taking this approach out of court, the suspect is accepting that they arent going to try to prove innocence but sit back and demand others prove guilt. In effect, it is an acceptance of guilt - and it looks guilty to the layman.
Of course, there is no need for anyone to prove neglect - even the pro-mccanns admit that (as Daisy herself has stated!).
January 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
385…Ian
Jane seems to be doing a bit of “Ad hominem” there.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
389 veritablequandry!
Thumbtacks! Chortle chortle!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Noseycow…. I gave up smoking over four years ago after a lifetime of at least 20 a day and I couldn’t have done it without the inhalator… (plastic cigarette with nicotine capsule) It bridged that gap between having a ciggie (the ritual side of smoking) and having nothing. I used it for a couple of months and then used it empty though I took it everywhere for about a year.
All my friends are smokers so I could still ‘go out’ with the smokers but haven’t had so much as a puff since I stopped. (I know I can’t, I’ve tried to quit before)
I was determined not to become an anti-smoker and I still enjoy a bit of passive but couldn’t have done it without the ‘hand to mouth’ substitute of the inhalator.
I KNOW this is nothing to do with madeleine everyone, but there’s nothing new on that anyway!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Can I come out of the odd-sock pile yet? I’ve been there so long, I’ve started singing Socks and Drugs and Rock and Roll …
January 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
362
Leeza Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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Leeza,
Your are so right when you say “arguing these simple points ad infinitum with Daisy, Maria and co is a waste of time”. Solution? Don’t argue. Problem solved
January 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
387 Leeza
You can’t fault the McCanns on the speed they got it all working, it smells like pre-planning doesnt it!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
362
Leeza Says:
the recurrent theme is “anything is possible” and “innocent until proven guilty”.
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Innocent until proven guilty is a recurrent theme of English law, Leeza.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
225 Daisy Says:
“If you are implying that I’m a “paid” poster, let me assure you that I’m not. I have no connection to the McCann Team etc. (I’m in Australia, by the way and Mods and Admin can confirm that by looking at my email address and my ISP provider).”
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I think Daisy is the missing nanny who scarpered . . .
January 12th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
379 jane you think?
January 12th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
371
Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
362 Leeza
Yes thats why I am going to try to ignore Daisies posts. I say try because the arguments are sometimes so outrageous and the logic so - well - not there - that its hard to ignore them!
For example, Daisy has a theory that the abductor went in and out through the patio doors, yet Tanner is not a liar, the two just cant work together but Daisy just couldnt see it…
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Yes that contradiction was pointed out very early and was it not also the case that O’Brien said he did not see Jane Tanner or bundleman, when, given the timing and his position, neither could have got by him? I recall, a day or two after M’s disappearance, one of the papers did a video tour of the route from the tapas bar to the apartment, which showed that it was a lot further away than originally claimed and that the apartment door was not visible either. This shows that the McCanns, with the help of some press, were whitewashing from the very beginning. Highly suspect!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
381 Matt
I suspect she is here
January 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
383 jane
Is that a concern to you?
January 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
375 jane
No jane, I believe nothing unsubstantiated at all!
I believe Gerry when he says he last saw Madeleine at 9:10.
I believe Jane Tanner when she says she saw a man striding purposefully away from the apartment carrying Madeleine at 9:15.
I beleive the McCanns story of jemmied open shutters and windows, of lurking abductors carefully tracking - ready to dive into the apartment just before Gerry arrived.
I believe the PJ when they say they found blood in the car and blood in the apartment under a tile and that it had to be a significant clean up which must have taken more than 5 minutes.
I believe Gerry when he says the twins may have been sedated and that he had them tested 5 months late.
I believe the McCanns when they say they had nothing at all to do with Madeleines abduction.
I believe Kate needed a priest to find Maddie on the night of the abduction.
I believe all these things, because they are riddled with inconsistancies and the more I can persuade people that the McCanns stories are true, the less likely it is that they will escape without charge.
So, in short, no jane, nothing unsubstantiated and no slurs. Neither are needed.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Ian, as you seem to spend much of your life posting on Anorak…when exactly do you do all of the intensive study required to get your law degree?
January 12th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
353 Daisy Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
332 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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Peter O,
I don’t get your point. Did I ever ask you to believe what I stated? I defended the posters accusations and that’s it (with the truth). Why are you wasting your time with this? Don’t believe me. It is not something I will dwell on and you shouldn’t either, in my opinion.
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The “point” Daisy is that who or what YOU claim to be offers no guarantee that “what” you post is genuine either.
It’s a bit like say a doctor insisting that you believe what they because er, well, they are a doctor.
I’m a teapot, so you should believe every word I post is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
I’m a magistrate, so you should believe every word I post is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Very easy to make claims on an anonymous internet forum.
January 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
365…Ian
Has Maria ever left us ?
January 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
374
Peter O Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
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Sorry Peter O! It was actually meant for Ian. My apologies!
January 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
365
Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
363 Jane
No…not at all, I think that Maria and Jane are very similar in their styles….
It may be they are punching above their weight.
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Pot to kettle, Ian