Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
544 Cheryl Says: January 12th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
475 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
461 Cheryl Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
455 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Edit…
I agree with you totally that action should be taken under “neglect” when all over. However, may I point out that there may be no laws over there - in the UK and/or Portugal to punish them under for Neglect of this kind? Now that is interesting to me - if the country(ries) and people in it(them) were not concerned enough about children to have such laws in effect covering Neglect by parents.
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I agree you can only bring charges under whatever laws currently exist in the country/ies that may have jurisdiction.
With respect, I don’t think you can suggest any lack of “concern” on the part of the populace if it transpires that there are no applicable “neglect” laws under which any suspects can be charged.
I think many have genuinely been shocked at the apparent lack of legislation in this area and the seemingly tardy response of bodies whose primary concern ought to be for the welfare of children. The most generous interpretation I can place on some of the inept responses is that there is an ongoing criminal investigation and some of these bodies may think/have been advised that it would be unwise to comment at this time.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
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Ian Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
319 Daisy
Edit……..”Last night we played a game where we pretended to be pro-McCann - there were some wonderful and very believable posts (batman was brilliant!). But none of us could provide any logical argument for abduction and in support of the behaviours of the McCann camp - we started to sound like you a bit!”
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Loved the satirical posts by known posters last night, very funny and no fear one you was going to morph into Hideki!
January 12th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
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Tony Bennett Says:
“REPLY: As far as I can see from your posting, coolandcalm, the one and only time you did anything at all about all these neglected children that you came across over many years of travel-writing was when one of them was disturbing your peace
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Unbelievable hypocrisy from you, Tony, given the treatment your own children received. You clearly have a highly selective memory.
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MODS AND ADMIN
This is a quite unnecessary personal attack on a fellow poster Jane, if you have a personal argument with a fellow poster, please be good enough to conduct it outside of this forum.
If there are any more comments like this from you I shall be forced to put your postings into moderation.
Carmen
January 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
552 Matt - I’ve had to do a fair bit of clarifying about this myself in Italy and make it clear that we Brits do not routinely abandon our children!
January 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
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Daisy Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
454
Cheryl Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Cheryl,
yes, I will admit that I was wrong, if I am wrong. Don’t expect that from them, though.
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Are you talking about the posters here that are against the McCanns and believe they’re guilty? If so, then I think if you go back to the time that the Madeleine forums started, I think you’ll find quite a few anti-Mc’s stating that they would be prepared to apologise (myself included) if we’re wrong. It’s no wonder that people tend to jump all over you on this forum, when you come out with prize statements like that one!
January 12th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
543
jane Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
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Thank you I know that case, as you know. However, last night you kindly posted it for all to read. I just thought all these people interested in this case and “justice”, etc. might like to read it and the fall out from it and what happened to those parents and the final ending to it.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
548…Miss Match
Wasn’t indicating that you were of such a belief, Miss Match.
(re Brits reputation etc”)
I apologise for not making that clear re yourself.
It has been alleged elsewhere though…which is why I referred to it.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Red Rooster
530.
I haven’t read anywhere that the McCann’s had been found guilty of anything….unless you can provide a link that says otherwise.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
536
Leeza Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
503
chenier Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
‘I would get a really good look around and have a really good think. And I’d think: Where are you? Who are you? Who is secretly watching my family? Because someone was watching my family very, very carefully. And taking notes.’ ”
I suppose that her comments could be construed as paranoia, but on re-reading it the thing that sticks out is that this really doesn’t sound like a woman with advanced qualifications.
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Well Gerry doesn’t write like someone with advanced qualifications either! What strikes me that the emphasis is on “whodunnit” rather than “if only we hadn’t”. It is normal for people faced with death of a loved one to want to go back in time but to a time before the tragic event which might have prevented its occurance. For example, a woman I knew whose brother drowned on holiday felt responsible because she had suggested that resort to him, she did not make comments on the tide, weather or lifeguards? The response seems odd to me as have other comments made by KM.
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Quite so; it was part of a longer conversation about the Vanity Fair article. Matt noted that every mention of Kate was by someone else; she appeared to have no voice of her own.
I agree that it’s totally bizarre that she seemed to be more interested in catching someone than she was in saving her daughter.
I don’t know whether it’s just yet more of the ‘there is someone to catch’ attempt to convince the public, or whether she really is as strange as it seems…
January 12th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
TB.. you do make me smile with your brilliant misinterpretations! Love it!
January 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Matt 537 - I totally agree. However, it is highly unusual to see toddlers out in their pushchairs at 10.00pm in the UK, or even later in the Summer, but not unusual at all in South Italy. I do not think the British are a nation of child haters or anything like that, but British children go to bed much earlier than Italian children and the British rely more on baby sitters. Here is is very unusual to hire a baby sitter when you go out in the evenings. You simply take your children with you.
A different way of life to the UK. Neither is wrong, in my opinion, just different.
Absolutely hope I never came across as saying that the British are a nation of child haters as I know that this is not true. I don’t think there is anything wrong with leaving children with a trusted babysitter, but am horrified at the McCanns actions, which, I believe, are neither the norm, nor acceptable in the UK or anywhere for that matter.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
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Sledgehammer Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The prosecutor refused to allow Amaral to arrest KM on neglect charges,why,
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IMO the prosecutor wanted the body to be found before deciding on charges. In particular the body would hopefully complete the forensic picture.
Another good question is why haven’t the Portuguese authorities interrogated all persons who conceivably might have had something to do with the disposal of the body?
Or maybe they are on with this and we just don’t know it. No need for a big media circus, cameras outside the house of someone as they are arrested, someone who may well be innocent etc.
Any sign of those rogatory letters I wonder. Maybe they are yet another red herring.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Peter O I never claimed it was evidence, as there is no evidence. It was alleged make of it what you will, the salient points are, no charges, no evidence no case, no arguement.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
512 coolandcalm says (January 12th, 2008 at 5:01 pm):
“When I was travel writing I stayed in many hotels of all grades everywhere, and I can tell you that the Brits do leave their children in the rooms at night…It always horrified me to walk along the corridors or walkways of ’stack em in’ hotels and hear the noise of children from the rooms knowing that the parents were down in the bar, often most of the night.
In a hotel in Benidorm I went down to the desk to tell them that the child in the next room was screaming on the balcony. They shrugged and did nothing. The parents were in the nightclub and there was no PA system was their excuse!”
REPLY: As far as I can see from your posting, coolandcalm, the one and only time you did anything at all about all these neglected children that you came across over many years of travel-writing was when one of them was disturbing your peace
January 12th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
475
Peter O Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
461 Cheryl Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
455 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
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No one to name - everyone sits in agreement they are guilty of Neglect their children in our eyes. However, what we all agree on is not saying the courts would agree.
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And I am of the opinion that the neglect “issue” is often used to sidetrack the debate/discussion about what actually happened to Madeleine.
I also hope that once Madeleine’s fate has been understood, and any trial(s) concluded, that appropriate action(s) will be taken against people who think it’s somehow only “naïve” to leave young children unattended.
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Well, first of all it is unanimous that all agree whatever happened was the fallout from their negelct well some don’t agree according to various and asundry speculations stated on here…thus, I shouldn’t have made that statement.
I agree with you totally that action should be taken under “neglect” when all over. However, may I point out that there may be no laws over there - in the UK and/or Portugal to punish them under for Neglect of this kind? Now that is interesting to me - if the country(ries) and people in it(them) were not concerned enough about children to have such laws in effect covering Neglect by parents.
I live in the US and the state I live in there are more laws on Children’s Rights than on Parent’s Rights! Any suspicion of abuse, neglect of any kind is taken very seriously and investigated by meeting with the parents and telling them of the accusations brought to their attention and put in writing to the parents so there are no misunderstandings. And once it goes into writing the case is kept open for a year and Social Services is all over those parents - guilty of the accusation or not - like fleas are on a dog watching them closely unless the first meeting convinces Social Service the accusations are totally unfounded.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
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Cheryl Says:
Jane, do you still have saved the case you put on the other site last night from Australia?
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You can find it here on Wikipedia, Cheryl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance
I was struck by the number of similarities to this case:
Child disappears from holiday tent
Mother claimed her child had been abducted
On discovery, mother’s odd comment - something like, the dingos have taken my baby (?) taken as evidence of a cover up of parental murder
Police errors - e.g. misinterpretation of forensic evidence in car/ on baby’s clothes
Police failed to secure crime scene, mishandled evidence - baby’s blood stained clothes in dingo lair
Police relied on unreliable forensic procedures
Allegation body was hidden in large camera case
Parents’ religious beliefs used as evidence against them
Disappearance received massive and unprecedented publicity
Media frenzy suggested the mother had murdered the child
Media turned public opinion against the parents
I believe there was also misuse/abuse of statistical ‘evidence
Mother accused of lack of emotional anxiety
Mother accused of failing to search for baby
Mother accused of dressing the baby in odd colour - black
Evidence of several witnesses in support of mother’s claim discounted
January 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
540…Tony Bennett
Glad you got to advise Daisy of the actual situation re your Application.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
516 RedRooster Says: January 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
511 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
494 Sledgehammer Says: January 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The prosecutor refused to allow Amaral to arrest KM on neglect charges,why, Peter O says we cannot admit this to the forum, Edit….
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I’ve never suggest you or anyone else can’t post whatever you like. Just so long as you don’t try to pass it off as “evidence”
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oh come on sledgy has it on good authority that it comes from a very reliable source “the sun”
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Ahh, but sledgehammer has on several occasions now stated that we can only use verifiable “evidence” to support our opinions. What’s good for the goose……
January 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
500 Daisy “Matt, From what I understand (I might be mistaken) Tony Bennett was pursuing a civil case against the parents, not a criminal case”.
REPLY: Daisy, no. It was a criminal case. I believed I had evidence that the crime of child neglect (1933 Act) had been committed by both McCanns. The proper authorities were doing nothing about it. I applied for a summons to be issued. It was refused as the Magistrates (in Leicestershire) were not persuaded by the arguments used in my application that they had jurisdiction to entertain the claim. It was not refused for any other reason. That is all that happened.
Any British citizen may approach a Magistrate and inform him/her that a crime has been committed. This happens occasionally when the authorities, for one reason or another, decide not to pursue a crime.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
535…coolandcalm
He may be a good Doctor….seems to lack in the good parent department though.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
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Daisy Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Chenier,
If you are so concerned about factual observations, then why not make your observations based on all my posts since I started posting? If I use your logic, then I must conclude most people here are not concerned about Maddie, because the amount of words dedicated to the little girl are minimal. Is that your logic?
Yes, your original post was not in bold. I chose not to edit out the other paragraph therefore “highlighted” (bold) the paragraph I was referring to in my response. The content was the same, word by word.
And I still believe you are “attacking” when you make such remarkable conclusions about someone posting in here, just because it doesn’t fit with your factual analysis.
Sorry, that is not MY logic.
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This must be the most spectacular headline and article in the entire case since last May; any rational person would regard the claim that Madeleine was raped, murdered and dumped in a reservoir in Portugal as being of a wholly different order of magnitude to, say, the faked outrage about Madeleine look-alikes.
If you are trying to contend that the two stories are comparable then may I suggest that you provide some support for the contention?
As for the nonsense about the posters here not discussing Madeleine, I would point out that it is the McCanns who claim to be talking about Madeleine, when in fact they talk about themselves, incessantly. That fact has been commented on, at great length, here on Anorak and elsewhere.
The never-ending playing of the victim card, when the true victim is Madeleine, is one of the reasons that public opinion has changed considerably over the last few months.
And I made no ‘remarkable conclusions’ in considering your posts on this topic.
I merely pointed out that you had devoted 6 words to the reported horrible death of a young child and 98 words to slagging off the PJ, and drew the logical conclusion that whatever your reasons might be posting here, they do not stem from a genuine concern for the fate of that little child….
January 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
534…Miss Match
The so-called “reputation of Brits” being child-haters is a myth.
Most British love their children dearly and would never desert them.
Exceptions I know….just look at Dr G P and Co.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
503
chenier Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
‘I would get a really good look around and have a really good think. And I’d think: Where are you? Who are you? Who is secretly watching my family? Because someone was watching my family very, very carefully. And taking notes.’ ”
I suppose that her comments could be construed as paranoia, but on re-reading it the thing that sticks out is that this really doesn’t sound like a woman with advanced qualifications.
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Well Gerry doesn’t write like someone with advanced qualifications either! What strikes me that the emphasis is on “whodunnit” rather than “if only we hadn’t”. It is normal for people faced with death of a loved one to want to go back in time but to a time before the tragic event which might have prevented its occurance. For example, a woman I knew whose brother drowned on holiday felt responsible because she had suggested that resort to him, she did not make comments on the tide, weather or lifeguards? The response seems odd to me as have other comments made by KM.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I was way ahead of the good doctor Matt.
I’ve been saying it for years as has most of the travel industry but hoteliers are scared of losing custom. Especially those that rely on the shrinking package holiday market.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I’m about to start on the vino. It is after 6.00pm here in Italy. Cheers everyone!
An observation - the UK is so much more child friendly than South Italy in that there are baby changing facilities, high chairs in restaurants, parent and toddler parking spots, toys in doctors waiting rooms, etc, etc. None of those things exist here in South Italy, but you see so many more children out and about with their parents, especially during the evenings, than you do in the UK.
British parents generally do not take their children out and about with them after 8.00pm.
Absolutely no excuse not to get a baby sitter though and simply abandon them.
The Madeleine McCann case was shown on Italian TV and Gerry’s comment justifying leaving the three children, (we thought it was safe….) didn’t go down to well amongst my Italian friends and family.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
they could get everbody back on board with a polygraph……
why wont they take one?
better to let everbody think where guilty than take a polygrapgh and remove all doubt
January 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Marmite.. love it. (good for us veggies)
Vegemite.. not savoury enough for me after being used to marmite.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
528…coolandcalm
Your quotes re what needs to be done abroad re children.
Dr G P had a “Wider Agenda” too re that.
Unfortunate that he didn’t apply his theory to his own family though.
January 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
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Thorn Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Clouseau 501
Guilty of what ??
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guilty of child neglect and lying to the pj for starters
January 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
524
the rumor and speculation regarding their daughters alleged abduction