Madeleine McCann: The Gardener Questioned, Marcos Correia Cries Rape And Kelsey Lynn Kudla Says
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DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE: BRITISH ODD-JOB MAN QUIZZED”
A new suspect?
“An anonymous email sent to Portuguese detectives claimed that Daniel Groom was spotted lurking in an alley close to the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine vanished”
The paper says he looks not too unlike the man seen walking from the holiday complex holding a child. You know, that man with no face…
Says Mr Groom: “I think I am being framed. I am the victim of a smear campaign by someone with a grudge against me… During the week two detectives had arrived in town and begun asking friends about my whereabouts. I rang them after they left a message with a friend. I met them in a car park in Praia da Luz… They were two detectives from the Lisbon area, a good cop and a bad cop. One guy was quite small and smoked a cigar. The other guy was really fat, wore girly sunglasses and kept looking around him all the time”
A good cop? We know all about the bad cops (see the Sun). But this good cop..?
They showed him the email. It went:
“Is it a coincidence that this man started working as a gardener in the area and a child went missing?
“Maybe he walked through the car park at the front of the McCanns’ apartment and a little way down the dark alley between the two buildings where he could see and probably hear that the McCanns were there.
“After that maybe he listened at the window of the McCanns’ apartment for any sign that someone such as a babysitter was there. No television…nothing.
“Did this man initially see the McCanns and Madeleine whilst working on an empty apartment/villa and note that the children were left alone? Did he then come back to watch the McCanns when it was dark and not during daylight hours?”
This is front-page news…
Says Groom: “After a few minutes they said they thought it was all b******t. They said if they needed to talk to me again they would, but they thought they were barking up the wrong tree”
A gardening joke to end. Mr Groom may survive his ordeal
“KEEP LOOKING FOR HER, BEGS GRANDAD” – Says Brian Healey: “There has been so much that has been said and written, much of it untrue and hurtful, but so often it seems to me as if the only really important person in all this has been forgotten – and that’s Madeleine”
Indeed. ‘Nuff said…
“Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate”
As we say, ‘nuff said…
THE SUN: “’Paedo dumped Maddie in lake’”
“MADELEINE McCann was raped and killed within 48 hours of being snatched then thrown in a reservoir, a Portuguese lawyer claimed yesterday. Human rights solicitor Marcos Aragao Correia said underworld sources tipped him off on May 6, three days after the tot vanished in Praia da Luz”
May 6?
Correia says he told the police. He then told Metodo 3, the McCanns’ private detectives. Correia says Madeleine’s body was in a reservoir with a small beach and showers for campers, late identified as the Barragem do Arade reservoir
Remerb when X marked the spot - “Vermoedelijke Vindplaats”
“KATE dad: Back off my daughter” – Says Brian Healy: “Some people don’t seem to want to know about the real Kate. She is such a warm and caring person, as well as being intelligent. But you can’t win because people say, ‘He would say that, he’s her father’”
Why would we care? A child is missing, why is it important we like Kate McCann?
“READERS in fury at ’sick stunt’”
“SUN readers bombarded our MySun discussion forums yesterday to vent their disgust following our revelations that an agency is ready to hire out a Maddie lookalike”
“LOOKALIKE mum: Let us help” – “The tearful mum of a tiny lookalike who hopes to play Madeleine McCann in a film insisted last night: ‘We only want to help’. American Kris Pfister, whose three-year-old Kelsey Lynn Kudla bears a stunning resemblance to the missing tot, added: “I feel for Maddie’s family — I am on their team”
Well, no, you’re not. But you are in the papers. Fame beckons? Tonight, Matthew, I’m going to be…
Quote of the week: “Since people started telling her she looked like Maddie, Kelsey’s been following the news. She cries when she hears she’s still missing. When we read there may be a documentary or film on the hunt, she said, ‘Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”
Here’s Kels-seeeey. (Come, on, Kelsey, you’re on… Smile!)
“People say that I look like Maddie. She lost her mummy and daddy. I want to help bring her home”
DAILY STAR: “MADDIE WAS ‘SNATCHED AND MURDERED’”
“Madeleine McCann was abducted, raped, murdered and thrown in a reservoir, a lawyer claimed last night”
It’s Marcos Correia again. Who told him? He will not say. But the paper notes: “He spent three weeks at the reservoir with investigators from the McCanns’ Metodo 3 agency. Last night he called on the police to search it extensively”
They have done. You can read about it here
Are these underworld figures known to Antonio Toscano?
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine was ‘raped, murdered - and then dumped in reservoir’”
“Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added”
Or not. The reservoir was searched
“PORTUGUESE police ‘want to keep Madeleine file secret for another three months’”
Says Clarence Mitchell the couple’s spokesman: “We are disappointed, but not surprised given that the police are still investigating.
“We had expected this request, however our lawyers will be examining it and once again we would urge the police to come over and interview who they want to.
“DEATH threats for woman hiring out Madeleine lookalikes” - Shona Juliet-Adams, owner of Juliet Adams Modelling and Talent Casting Agency, says: “”I have had threatening phone calls and death threats. I am not speaking to anybody until I have spoken to the police about my security - I received death threats”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns suffer ‘almost inhumane’ police delay”
Kate and Gerry McCann could remain official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance for “several more months”
Clarence Mitchell says: “This is extremely disappointing. We will continue to co-operate with the Portuguese police, of course. However, the delay in resolving the case and eliminating Gerry and Kate is now becoming almost inhumane”
“BAD taste jokes need time to be funny” - An interactive humour survey at the Science Museum’s Dana centre in central London. Only seven per cent of the audience felt that a joke about Bhutto’s death was funny or amusing and only 31 per cent felt humour involving the McCanns was appropriate”
A Joke: “Dr Harold Shipman’s last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan”
FOX NEWS (USA): “Report: Agency Worker Receives Death Threats Over Madeleine McCann Look-Alikes”
“Shona Juliet-Adams, 41, whose agency offers the look-alikes for about $1,174 an hour, said she has been receiving ‘threatening phone calls and death threats’”
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January 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
674 chenier Says: January 12th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
657 Peter O Says: January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
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Edit….
I wonder whether the film thing was leaked from IMG?
Does anyone have any ideas?
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Pure supposition…. It was suggested by several contributors that maybe Esther was the source? This may have some legs if indeed it was the “Movie” that finally forced her to quit? Perhaps she spoke “off the record” to someone? Haven’t seen Meeja…. for several days, perhaps they could shed some light?
January 12th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
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agw Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Self righteous judgmental (sic) people never change.
That’s from Cheryl at 16.00hrs today
What can I can say?
Let’s try …Who wants to try throwing the first stone?
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Uh oh - sicing the big ones on me are you, AGW? Well, I’m sure you know what I am thinking but I won’t say anything further as I don’t care to get a yellow, red, black or green card thrown at me.
January 12th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
OCCAM’s RAZOR -
Occam’s razor (sometimes spelled Ockham’s razor)
The principle is often paraphrased as “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.”
abductors, paedo rings, watching the flat for days, in the door, out the window, taking Maddie to Morocco or Malta: all that is very, very complicated.
January 12th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Evening all
January 12th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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Peter O Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
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One of the odd things about it is the way in which they slice and dice words.
It does make one wonder whether they have any grasp of the concept of truth.
It also confirms that the PJ are entirely justified in regarding the Tapas 9’s statements with extreme scepticism.
After all, if you have no problem in denying that you propose to make a film, because what you propose to do is make a docudrama, then a lot of other things which you have denied are brought into question.
I wonder whether the film thing was leaked from IMG?
Does anyone have any ideas?
January 12th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Sledgehammer do you know David Payne/Fiona Payne/Dianne Webster?
January 12th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
662 Wanderer Says: January 12th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
657
Actually, Peter, I think you have that figured out. (unless they change their minds)
They do seem to be hung up on words, perhaps they are true believers that words speak louder than actions.
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Sorry, perhaps I wasn’t clear. What I mean is that precise choice of words seems very important to these people? They would, in my opinion, happily go ahead and take part in the making of a Docudrama and claim that it wasn’t in fact a Movie. Syntactically correct, but nonetheless misleading.
There are a number of things they have said which may well have similar semantics around them, in my opinion. E.g. We (neither Kate nor I) were involved in the disappearance of over lovely daughter Madeleine. (Sorry, I’m paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact quote.)
January 12th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
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chenier Says:
“That there was no abduction, and that Madeleine died as a result of an accident when her parents had left her with her even younger siblings….”
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Timely, thanks. After Matt’s post re CM being the new friend who has taught the twins to make dens in their bedroom, I was about to go off on a complicated tangent whereby G announced to “friends” that their kids have a new “friend” so we’re all safe in the knowl;edge that we have “one of those” on our case.
Need to start thinking simply! No really.
Also need to read VF mag article so I can comment on up to date stuff and not just past messages cropping up and influencing what should be curent musing! if you get me drift.
January 12th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
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chenier Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
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Peter O Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
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The one very noticeable thing post discussions with Social Services is that the media started blurring the pictures of the twin’s faces and thus reducing their handiness as a photogenic prop.
It’s pretty disgraceful that the McCanns did not insist on this right from the beginning…
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I noticed that blurring once they got back to the UK. My presumption was it was a policy of the papers over there not to show a young child’s face. Over here that is not done at all to protect a child from being recognized by all, which should be done.
January 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
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Cheryl Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
554
Julie Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
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Then I apologize I never saw the statements when this first started on here. However, in reading the postings on here since I came on , will an apology undo and erase from people’s memories the many outright nasty things said on here and in turn smearing their names, making some outright horrible accusations about them personally re their children - all in the name of sleuthing or satire? Not just on here but other forums and newspapers…once words are written seldom are they forgotten by those who read them.
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Cheryl, no an apology will never undo something that has been wrongly said. However, I have learnt that when someone has wronged me, and they have the guts to stand up and apologise for what they said, then I prefer to forget. Obviously in the Mc’s case, if they are actually found to not be guilty of the disappearance of Madeleine, they will still have to bear the brunt of the fact that their negligence resulted in her disappearance! This will be their cross to bear for the rest of their lives, and ultimately it was their position to protect their children … something which they failed to do. The only thing that I will be prepared to apologise for is that I assume (and still do) that their actions caused Madeleine’s disappearance - DIRECTLY - as I do not believe that there was a stranger abduction here!
January 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
664 - Gloria,
I think the ’simple solution’ is that one of the parents lost control and killed Madeleine in a fit of rage, or she had a fatal accident on the 2nd May during the evening when they were out and they came home and found her badly injured.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
CHERYL is nearly there,
Would someone explain to her why window of opportunity G Mccann 9.05 to Tanner 9.15 gave an abductor just 4 possible minutes and what said abductor had to achieve in that time, because she obviously doesn’t have access to as much info as we do. I would like to explain myself but have a pint of ale beckoning me from the bar…….
Oh the front door was locked by the way Gerry stopped using it because it might wake the twins LMAO
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Daisy Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:57 am
Just watch the Sky report from Martin Brunt. They show how quickly someone could have taken a child and walked out. It is probably less than a minute.
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Cheryl Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Is he the one who said he just listened at the door (according to newspapers that is)? So, if Gerry is at 9:00 everything okay, no one before 9:30?, Oldfield next - doesn’t bother to visually check all 3 - then 10:00 Kate finds her gone - then the ‘impossible’ could have been very possible from 9:05! They stalk, they wait, they take very quickly - she could have been gone from 9:05 or whatever time right after Gerry M. left the room.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
661…chenier
Is worth another even bigger GOSH…when one considers that the Express was the
most proMccann paper going in the early months. And the comments reflected that
support during thoase early months.
A truly massive swing since.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Power to the people comes to mind, after reading the express article. Well written and thoughtful, and so, so true.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
652
Slyfox Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
…But what would be the simplest solution to this case? I’m so caught up in the twists and turns that I can’t see it!
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The parents weren’t prepared to tell the truth about the events of that evening and decided to cry “ABDUCTION”. Twists and turns naturally followed.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
646 willo Says: January 12th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Daisy is not from Australia.
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But s/he doesn’t claim to be from Australia? Thought Daisy said s/he was Chilean living in Australia? (apologies if I’ve got the wrong person.)
January 12th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
657
Actually, Peter, I think you have that figured out. (unless they change their minds)
They do seem to be hung up on words, perhaps they are true believers that words speak louder than actions.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
‘Here, on the Daily Express website, more than 60,000 comments have been posted about the case – nearly three quarters of which are hostile to the McCanns.’
Gosh.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
the simplist solution is one where the parents killed their child by accident and dumped her body, then screamed ‘abduction’.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
654
irish girl spain Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
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Just love it when you post here! You remind me so much of an Irish friend that I had here in SA (she moved back to Ireland a couple of years ago, and I’ve lost contact). Why do you only stay for such a short time? Hang around and have a little debate with us once in a while will you?
January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Why didn’t tanner see the shutter open
why didn’t tanner see the window open
why didn’t tanner see the door open
Oldfield had two chances once at the back and once at the front
why didn’t oldfield see the shutter open
why didn’t oldfield see the window open
why didn’t O’brian see the door open etc…………
why didn’t tanner see ……………..on the way back to tapas again
why didn’t tanner see on the way back to apartment again
why didn’t O’brian see on way back to tapas……
etc…….etc…….etc………
January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
632 chenier Says: January 12th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Try:
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/31262/Have-they-lost-our-sympathy-
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Here’s a little “Clarification” from that article:
Mitchell was swift to try to dispel the notion of fictionalisation of Madeleine’s story. “Our objection is to the word ‘movie’,” he said.
“We had a discussion with IMG a month ago and that’s as far as we’ve got. We discussed a film in the broadest terms possible. It may or may not happen. A similar meeting was held with ITV about some kind of factual drama, with actors playing Kate and Gerry. We get approaches from all kinds of media all the time.”
And Gerry said:
Gerry McCann, meanwhile, denied that he and his wife were co-operating with any kind of film.
“We can categorically deny that we are considering a movie about Madeleine’s disappearance. This is simply untrue,” he wrote in his blog on Wednesday. “
Ahh.. so it’s just the word Movie they object to? Docudrama would be ok then? Perhaps I have sadly become far too cynical with this whole charade.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
554
Julie Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
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Then I apologize I never saw the statements when this first started on here. However, in reading the postings on here since I came on , will an apology undo and erase from people’s memories the many outright nasty things said on here and in turn smearing their names, making some outright horrible accusations about them personally re their children - all in the name of sleuthing or satire? Not just on here but other forums and newspapers…once words are written seldom are they forgotten by those who read them.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
652
Slyfox Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
…But what would be the simplest solution to this case? I’m so caught up in the twists and turns that I can’t see it!
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That there was no abduction, and that Madeleine died as a result of an accident when her parents had left her with her even younger siblings….
January 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Wonder what fairy story is going to be in the papers tomorrow.
Feckers, making money out of that lovely little girl.
Disgusting.
January 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
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646
willo Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Daisy is not from Australia.
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willo, why do you keep saying this? Please tell us more ……..
January 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
646 Willo
Did she say she was? Only asking because I don’t know. If she did, and she’s not, then interesting.
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i-dont-believe-them Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Has OCCAM’s RAZOR been mentioned?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_Razor
(Occam’s razor (sometimes spelled Ockham’s razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle is often paraphrased as “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood.
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But what would be the simplest solution to this case? I’m so caught up in the twists and turns that I can’t see it!
January 12th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
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i-dont-believe-them Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
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Well, in the light of the Express article which Anna kindly produced for us, Occam’s razor seems likely to be cutting off the money which the McCanns apparently desperately need.
We finally got the comment we were waiting for about Esther McVey bailing out of the Fund, and I think I saw something earlier about her removing some references to the McCanns from her blog…
January 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I absolutely CRINGE when I see parents swinging their little ones by the arms (as in the photo in the Daily Express article kindly prompted by Anna and linked by Chenier).
It is SO dangerous, and can have very harmful effects on a growing child’s arm! Can someone please get hold of these loving parents and give them a crash course on parenting!
January 12th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
628 Miss Match Says: January 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Isn’t wine brilliant.
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Mods and Admin
have a really nice chianti, bought for Xmas, my tipple for this evening, so should be quite mellow later, or nod off…..
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Having drunk all of the really nice Rioja, Cabernet Sauvignon and the other rubbish… (not this evening I hasten to add), I’m now slumming it with a nice Pinot Grigio, soon to be joined by one of Mrs Peter O’s finest Chillies! Cheers all.