Madeleine McCann: A Pundit Says, Judge Eurico Reis Orders And The Sun Omits
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
THE SUN: “Shut up: Maddie cop by judge”
Police national director Alipio Ribeiro “stunned his men” by “admitting” the decision to make “doctors” Kate and Gerry McCann suspects was “hasty”
Judge Eurico Reis said it is “not the cop’s role to publicly comment on cases under investigation. The judge raged: ‘It is his duty to SHUT UP.’”
And: “Portugal’s top prosecutor Antonio Cluny branded Ribeiro’s comment ‘extremely worrying’” – Why worrying? Because of what he said? Or because a policeman has given his personal views about an ongoing case? The Sun fails to make this clear
The McCanns spokesman tells us: “You cannot have the head of the police force openly questioning the validity of the way in which they were made suspects and then not have a review”
Can’t you? Can someone expert in Portuguese law tells us if you can or cannot…
FERGUS Shanahan: “COPS SO WRONG”
Alipis Ribero is on the radiop. Says Shanahan: “In effect, Mr Ribeiro is saying: ‘We never had any evidence agsint Kate and Gerry. We didn’t take Madeleine’s disappearance seriously… Some of our detectives thought Kate and Gerry looked dodgy. So we made them suspects and hoped something might turn up.”
The tabloids, meanwhile, look at “creepy” Robert Murat, also a suspect - you know, the one the Sun calls an “oddball“
DAILY STAR: “BLOW FOR MADDIE PARENTS”
“TORMENTED Kate and Gerry McCann are to remain official suspects over their daughter’s disappearance. They hoped to have their ‘arguido’ status lifted after Portugal’s top cop Alipio Ribeiro admitted it may have been a mistake to put them in the frame. But government legal advisers yesterday denied they were planning to clear their names”
So the personal views of a policeman are not a deciding factor in an ongoing investigation?
“The 39-year-olds may be considered suspects for as long as the investigation continues – possibly years”
Read all about it!
DAILY MIRROR: “STILL SUSPECTS – Maddy probe team in row over letting McCanns off hook”
Says Judge Eurico Reis: “This case has had more than enough media exposure”
Mr Ribeiro is on the radio…
Says “media pundit” Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa: “He killed the investigation when he said there was haste in making the McCanns arguidos in the case”
Says Antonio Cluny, who we heard from earlier in the Sun: “I don’t know if he’s right or not but this conduct of speaking about pending cases is extremely worrying”
Why did the Sun end its Mr Cluny quote short?
LIVERPOOL DAILY POST: “Madeleine McCann: Liverpool grandad hoping for a miracle”
Says Mr Healy: “Like most people I would like to think that if there is a spark of hope I have to hang on to it. They haven’t found anything yet. We have to believe a miracle can happen. I still believe she is alive and until someone tells me different I will believe”
IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Maddy’s grandad hopes for miracle”
Brian Healey says he is pleased that “Alipio Rebeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said detectives were too hasty in making the couple suspects over their daughter’s disappearance”
Says he: “I am glad he has said it, it will get things moving to reinstate the fact they’re innocent”
Posted: 5th, February 2008 | In: Madeleine McCann Comments (958) | Follow the Comments on our RSS feed: RSS 2.0 | TrackBack | Permalink
Comments
- KSA crew on Wikileaks Publishes 500,000 9/11 FBI And NYPD Pager Messages, Conspiracy Theorists Read On
- Emily on Miley Cyrus Says Twilight Is A Bad Cult And Zac Effron Is Hot
- susan jones on Susan Boyle Weeps As The Press Set About Destroying Her
- The Real Stig on The Great Cathay Pacific Blocked Toilet Mystery
- SoDak-GhostDog on Interview With Survior Of James Arthur Ray’s Sedona Sweat Lodge
February 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
384
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
++++++++++++++++
I just want to see their performance in court in Portugal - without a safety net.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
re rogatory letters - just my tuppence worth.
I believe that the uk has sent them back not necessarily because there was something wrong with them but because they did not consider eurojust appropriate, and the portugeuse have been asked to sent them through an appropriate channel. Which i think means official government channels from portugal, does this make the issue political and not legal?? i don’t know…
I don’t know what difference this makes - though i’m sure it must make some difference.
Could it be that the person whos desk they landed on does not want to make a decision?
If the matter is made official politically does this benefit team mcc or the pj??
Will it make a difference in the event that extradition is sought and appealed against?
Will it make the process quicker or slower ( i read that eurojust take 10 days also that they take up to year to process cases?? )
can anyone enlighten me to the differences this will make?
whatever the reasons, and whatever process is decided upon, one thing is clear and that someone is handeling this case very carefully. I assume that this must be a good thing - but will await more news….
February 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
382 It’s not a matter of forgiving.. its a matter of law.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
dcb
I think I will finger my citylink guy, and join them
I wonder how easy it is?
Would Clarrie ” jump ” on any sighting?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
380
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
++++++++++++++++++
Ah - she joins the sexy sisters in oblivion.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
cool and calm
Do you think the care-givers will be as forgiving when all the evidence comes out?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Aardvarko 371 said… They will, of course, lose custody of the twins.
……………………..
You obviously have no understanding of the principles of the Children’s Act! (an Act of Parliament) and the subsequent powers of the Social Workers working within that remit.
Even if both parents were found guilty and jailed (very unlikely) the twins would be placed in the custody of approved family members until their release. These arrangements would already have been put in place during the statutory meeting with Social Services that took place on The McCanns return to UK. It’s routine.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
dcb
Yes she was of no further use, poor deluded wannabe.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
How could Branson offer to pay for their defence, but only if they were innocent?
What happens to the bill if they’re found guilty?
Remember the fund will be all gone by then, and the McCanns obviuosly don’t have much or they wouldn’t have needed the fund money for the mortgage payments.
I think there may have been a misquotation here somewhere.
————-
Mods and Admin
Clearly he’s inferring that he will support them until proved guilty. The assume innonce until proved guilty routine.
They become liable for the bill. The FUND was meant to be for finding Madeleine, not legal fees defending her parents.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
375
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
hee hee what a load of wasters they are.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
But no-one is answering the BIG question in my mind. Is Gail home yet?
February 5th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I remember Branson saying that he had spent some time time with the Mc’s and that he was sure of their innocence. So how does that square with the payment of defense fee’s but only if their found not guily? I thought he was sure? He told us he was sure, didn’t he?
Peter O
That’s two hissy fits in two days!. Did it ever cross your mind that Pro-Mc’s deliberately force Mods into removing them to get just the reaction you have given. Pro’s would love this site to be known as a biased site. A very good psychiatrist once said ” It’s better to lose your patient after three months than three years”. Mods did what they had to do at the time they had to do it IMO. Anyway if your going, take care.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
For the Record
Edited By Fiona Parker 05/02/2008
News picturesThe balloons released to symbolise every day Madeleine McCann has been missing, and the picture of a little girl holding a poster of Maddy, took place in Madrid last June, not last week. (Page 16, January 31)
Felixstowe is in Suffolk, not Kent. (Page 19, February 2).
The Daily Mirror tries to correct errors and clear up confusion as soon as possible. Readers should phone 020 7293 3953, fax 020 7293 3975, email readers@mirror.co.uk or write to Readers’ Editor, Daily Mirror, 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5AP. The Press Complaints Commission (PCC) is the independent body which governs the newspaper industry. It has a Code of Practice we adhere to. This, along with details on how to complain, is available from Halton House, 20/23 High Holborn, London EC1N 2JD. Website http://www.pcc.org.uk or email complaints@pcc.org.uk Telephone: 020 7831 0022 Helpline: 0845 600 2757.
________________________________________
Ha Ha HaHA
February 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
369
Salomon ES Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
+++++++++++++++++++
I agree with your summary, in particular I think the UK press, being starved of any official information, have had to rely on speculation and of course the PR man appointed by Camp Mccann. I am sure the PJ would just like to conclude its investigation, however it pans out, without having to constantly have to account for itself.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
369 Salomon
When I sent my post, yours hadn’t arrived.
I see you have good faith in the progress of the case. Good.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Marie Nicholas 370 got to go now. Will be away until news justify my return
What I think is that we’ll have to wait another couple of weeks before interviews take place and further action is taken. In the meantime expect some ludicrous (and hurtful speculation) by Clarence mitchell to discredit the portuguese investigation.
More of the same that we had for the last 8 months…
Only closer to the Summer (closer to expiry of secrecy) will we see a REAL BREAKTHROUGH in this case IMO.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Much as I’d love to believe some of the conspiracy theories, I believe the situation with Madeleine is all probably just a lot simpler.
PJ & UK are ultimately working towards the same goal. UK, to avoid legal challenges etc, must make sure everything is tied up tighter than a ducks a***. This does give the impression that they are being over-obstructive.
There are various “forces” at large who are doing all they can to disrupt the smooth running of this case, for reasons which have yet to become clear.
However, I think the case surrounding Madeleine will be resolved, and her parents will be punished for their part in it, be that negligence, manslaughter, or worse. They may also face further charges regarding obstruction of justice, obtaining money by deception etc. They will, of course, lose custody of the twins.
The “other forces” involved are, I believe, powerful enough to keep themselves out of the limelight (this is evident already), and also powerful enough to ensure that the McCanns and the other Tapas individuals either keep quiet, or are ignored/dismissed as batty.
To sum up, I think we will find out what happened to Madeleine, but much of the circumstances surrounding this will remain unknown.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Salomon
Will YOU tell us what You think now that you got us to say what we did ?
You say you are beginning to enjoy it.
It xas a pleasure!
February 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
IMO of course…
Answer to Question 1 - Rogatory Letters and Intentions of the Home Office
The Home Office does not have any interest whatsoever in delaying the questionning of the Tapas gang by asking the portuguese authorities to amend the letters. Even if we are to believe that there would be an interest in protecting the McCanns. The fact that these letters have been sent back for further revision indicates IMO that the Home Office want to have a robust basis to act beyond any possible legal challenge on the procedures followed. That to me is encouraging.
Answer to Question 2 - Ribeiro’s faith in the tactical competence of his detectives
Ribeiro is a magistrate and he will have a very particular view on procedures to be followed by investigator as opposed to magistrate from the MP. This tactical mistake by amaral - making the McCanns suspects 8 days before the new CPP (more than the statements) have led to his dismissal. Why did Ribeiro come out with this statement now? Because he was honest and didn’t measure the consequences. It does not in anyway affect the confidence of the team he appointed to lead the investigation - and puts him in very good standing with the magistrates overseeing the investigation who allegedly were not consulted before the McCanns were made arguidos
Answer to Question 3 - There’s no conspiracy IMO. The McCanns called in a few favours, they got them, the thing got out of hand primarily for political eagerness to capitalise on a news story, and it all ended up in a potentially embarrassing situation for everyone. British media have been (for a long time) interested in fiction rather than information. That’s what Clarence offers as opposed to silence from the PJ.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
If it is up to the Home to tell the Portuguese what is and isn’t acceptable, isn’t that rather like allowing the MCanns to run the investigation.
And what is the point of Eurojust being involved if one party can say ‘its unacceptable’, that could go on forever.
I feel Eurojust should be the referee here, not the UK nor the Portuguese.
But I suppose it depends on what is seen to be important, and as I see it justice for Madeleine should be. Someonecommitted a crime, someone is trying to determine who , but the innocent victim just seems insignificant
February 5th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
357
Salomon ES Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
“………If we are to believe the inumerous conspiracy theories that circulate on internet fora and that involve Gordon BRown, the British Government and indeed the British establishment in trying to cover-up and protect the McCanns…..”
—————————————————————————————–
We have had it drawn to our attention, especially recently that the departments within our Government seem to work to their own agendas and as a consequence “the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing’ occurs.
If we are to believe it all that is!
February 5th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Question 3 :
One isn’t exclusive of the other, for various reasons :
- various people with various intentions, and a battle between conflicting interests and influences. Not the samepeople winning all the time.
- maybe some people not realising in time what the British Police was going to bring.
I think conspiracy is a big word and doesn’t apply anyway. But maybe some people disturbed.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
357
Salomon ES Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
+++++++++++++++++
Maybe I should have added to my reply at 360 that although I don’t believe there was a conspiracy in what happened to madeleine, I believe in the very early stages thereafter there was a misguided attempt at cover up.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
till later
February 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
353
Salomon ES
One can only assume, that without the cooperation of british authorities, portuguese police would still be looking for Madeleine in Morocco, Chile and Bosnia. Please discuss.
hahaha
February 5th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
357
Salomon ES
Of course the porto police ,must be reduce to his insignificance in order to give importance to the Brits police
All this ,show how diplomatic the P.J. ,has been
February 5th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
353 Salomon
I won’t go into the detail of your questions (lack of time). But
Question 1 : Are the Home Office’s intentions to jelp with the investigation, to discourage them or to delay them? I can’t answer.
Question 2 : my feeling is that the PJ have their problems like any task force woukd have. Problems inside (Conflicts between personnalities and opinions. People who don’t think ahead. People who ignore the orders etc… Problems outside (public pressure/ Political pressure. judicial authorities etc….).
That’s why I am not over optimistic about the issue, in spite of strong clues that make me think they aren’t mistaken. Some of my hope comes from the involvment of British Police into it.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
357
Salomon ES Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
“………If we are to believe the inumerous conspiracy theories that circulate on internet fora and that involve Gordon BRown, the British Government and indeed the British establishment in trying to cover-up and protect the McCanns…..”
+++++++++++++++++
Reply 3 - I don’t believe them so cannot enter into discussion.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
357
Salomon ES
wrong again
There are other countries that have ,that kind of shiffer dogs ,even Portugal has
February 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
152
SteveT Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 11:57 am
I thoght Branson had pledged £100,000 if they are found innocent. That will be a drop in the ocean for their legal costs.
***************
Actually, it is not clear what the Filthy Rich Trio pledged. Branson, Kennedy, and Winyard. There are conflicting reports. Did they really put up any money, or not? For example, one report says that Kennedy’s support is “principally” paying for Ed Smethurst and Clarence Mitchell!!! Other reports have him offering a “reward”, encouraging poor Moroccans to ask all over if someone has seen a blonde girl. Still other reports say that Branson is willing to pay for the defense, but only if the McCanns are not found guilty.
But I would agree that these three, Winyard, Kennedy and Branson, are the ones most willing to (for some reason) to loudly claim that the McCanns are innocent and that the Metodo3 theory is promising.
Their motivation for doing so is not clear at all. I think it is related to the iniatives shown by Bell Pottinger, and the purpose is to protect someone in the Royal Bank of Scotland. Just a guess, like anyone else’s. Who knows what these people are capable of? It could be much worse than any one of us can imagine.