Madeleine McCann: A Pundit Says, Judge Eurico Reis Orders And The Sun Omits
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
THE SUN: “Shut up: Maddie cop by judge”
Police national director Alipio Ribeiro “stunned his men” by “admitting” the decision to make “doctors” Kate and Gerry McCann suspects was “hasty”
Judge Eurico Reis said it is “not the cop’s role to publicly comment on cases under investigation. The judge raged: ‘It is his duty to SHUT UP.’”
And: “Portugal’s top prosecutor Antonio Cluny branded Ribeiro’s comment ‘extremely worrying’” – Why worrying? Because of what he said? Or because a policeman has given his personal views about an ongoing case? The Sun fails to make this clear
The McCanns spokesman tells us: “You cannot have the head of the police force openly questioning the validity of the way in which they were made suspects and then not have a review”
Can’t you? Can someone expert in Portuguese law tells us if you can or cannot…
FERGUS Shanahan: “COPS SO WRONG”
Alipis Ribero is on the radiop. Says Shanahan: “In effect, Mr Ribeiro is saying: ‘We never had any evidence agsint Kate and Gerry. We didn’t take Madeleine’s disappearance seriously… Some of our detectives thought Kate and Gerry looked dodgy. So we made them suspects and hoped something might turn up.”
The tabloids, meanwhile, look at “creepy” Robert Murat, also a suspect - you know, the one the Sun calls an “oddball“
DAILY STAR: “BLOW FOR MADDIE PARENTS”
“TORMENTED Kate and Gerry McCann are to remain official suspects over their daughter’s disappearance. They hoped to have their ‘arguido’ status lifted after Portugal’s top cop Alipio Ribeiro admitted it may have been a mistake to put them in the frame. But government legal advisers yesterday denied they were planning to clear their names”
So the personal views of a policeman are not a deciding factor in an ongoing investigation?
“The 39-year-olds may be considered suspects for as long as the investigation continues – possibly years”
Read all about it!
DAILY MIRROR: “STILL SUSPECTS – Maddy probe team in row over letting McCanns off hook”
Says Judge Eurico Reis: “This case has had more than enough media exposure”
Mr Ribeiro is on the radio…
Says “media pundit” Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa: “He killed the investigation when he said there was haste in making the McCanns arguidos in the case”
Says Antonio Cluny, who we heard from earlier in the Sun: “I don’t know if he’s right or not but this conduct of speaking about pending cases is extremely worrying”
Why did the Sun end its Mr Cluny quote short?
LIVERPOOL DAILY POST: “Madeleine McCann: Liverpool grandad hoping for a miracle”
Says Mr Healy: “Like most people I would like to think that if there is a spark of hope I have to hang on to it. They haven’t found anything yet. We have to believe a miracle can happen. I still believe she is alive and until someone tells me different I will believe”
IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Maddy’s grandad hopes for miracle”
Brian Healey says he is pleased that “Alipio Rebeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said detectives were too hasty in making the couple suspects over their daughter’s disappearance”
Says he: “I am glad he has said it, it will get things moving to reinstate the fact they’re innocent”
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February 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
curses
i am discovered ! !
and i would have got away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky kids
lol
February 5th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
467
Remegius
Yes the whole media circus is more of self-preservation than finding Maddie.
Surely if they thought about the twins twice they would have not embarked upon it. Or at least stopped when it was getting out of hand.
If the twins grow up being told the ‘abduction’ version of events, inevitably they will come across information out in the public domain questioning their parents’ version of events. I think this will have quite an emotional impact.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
472 Denzylle 471 Sally
I agree it is very likely that at some stage, the twins will uncover something, or recover something, or put things together.
Will they keep the secret?
Will they write a book about it after mum and dad kick the bucket or toss them out or whatever?
What will come out in school, a place where Kate and Gerry can’t control everything?
It is interesting to note that the murder of teenager Martha Moxley was solved, and her killer convicted, only after a very long passage of time during which her killer had allegedly admitted raping and murdering her to psychologists and even to an alcoholics anonymous program.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
the watcher - you cunning old beep you
spinning like that - do you wear pink shirts perchance
February 5th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Batman Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
hi Nosey
sucked, licked and dragged all over the kitchen floor.
my kind of night
February 5th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Remigius
470
I do wonder whether the parents have noticed anything that suggests their other children have any latent memories that are significant.
If there are any, the sooner they were manifested, the sooner the parents could take ‘action’ to deny these memories and ‘change’ the young minds, and the easier it would be for them (the parents). However, if this were to happen, it would do untold psychological damage to the children in the longer term.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
470
Remigius Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
468 Denzylle
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Yes, I would think psychological testing of the children would give excellent clues as to what happened to Madeleine. Such as acting out bedtime rituals while on holiday————what stories were told, what songs were sung———–such as “Just a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down”, etc. as an example, of course.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
468 Denzylle
Such observations with child “play” would perhaps give us the answers that we crave, or clues to those answers, but it would most likely place these children in grave danger, unless some member of the family who is not in complete denial can act swiftly and responsibly.
But yes, such playing out of repressed memory could become quite alarming to the parents.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
466 Marie Nicholas
I’ll say it again: children who are alive are infinitely better off than children who are dead.
So yes, if it means sending the children off to live with adults who are not suspected or implicated in murders, then I would be in favor of that. Supervised visitation.
It is not practical for the state to extend its services to protecting the minor children of all persons implicated in killing/abusing/neglecting their other child, who is now likely dead from one of those causes. But are surviving children in such households at greater risk of death, injury or both? Of course they are.
What to do, what to do….that is the hardest part. But it appears that in the McCann situation, the child authorities have been apprised. Clarence Mitchell can claim whatever he likes, but the state and British police are now responsible for whatever happens to these children.
Foster care in Portugal might have provided a strong incentive for the Tapas to come clean on what happened to madeleine, but that opportunity has come and gone.
so I suppose the children will just have to be at increased risk. There is little we, the public, can do that Tony Bennett has not already done.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
[...]
Before her disappearance, Mr McCann said the holiday had been “idyllic” and Madeleine was having fun with her brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, who are twins.
“She might look like Kate, but in terms of personality she is more of a McCann. She is very funny and often a little ringleader in nursery and with her friends,” he said.
“She was running around shouting, ‘Be a monster, be a monster’ and we would chase her.”
[...]
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/6692161.stm
Published: 2007/05/25 17:39:40 GMT
© BBC MMVII
And now the siblings play ‘find the monster that took…’ their sister.
Unwittingly, the parents have provided the link between the twins’ fantasy and that of their sister.
On a related note, it’s well known that young children being helped by psychologists (and sometimes in criminal cases) will play out what thye have witnessed with dolls and other play props. Perhaps someone needs to be watching their play at home and at nursery more closely…
February 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
465 MikeSA
Do you think the McCanns are capable of staying out of the limelight?
That would mean, to not write letters, make phone calls, etc., whenever someone’s child goes missing (no matter what the circumstances) to say “Oh, we know exactly what you are going through. Our sympathies are with you.”
Why not also start a “Child Murderers Anonymous” club while you’re at it?
The McCanns’ constant, persistent, unstinting efforts to link all missing children cases to their own situation is interesting. It tells us a lot about their obvious desperation.
Do you really think that criminal lawyers worth their salt just up and decide to divulge supposed confidences from their clients (presumably hardened criminals who don’t want to get caught or implicated–perhaps organized crime figures) about child rape and murder, and then dip into their own pockets to “help solve the crime?”
You may well believe that. But I think to believe that is naive at best.
That the McCanns appear to WANT us to believe it is, well, it appears to be just like everything they do and say–it’s calculated to make you look elsewhere, even when the only “there” there is is, well, it is THEM.
Just my opinion.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
464 Remigius
I understand your point of view very well. What I think is, between two evils for the children, which one choose?
I definitely believe that the parents and the Tapas know more than they say, and that the PJ wouldn’t follow with the case without good reasons to do it. I also think it is callous and dangerous to leave children at night the way they did.
Poor children. Even if they don’t understand, they must feel that something isn’t right.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
At what stage will Team mcc make the call that it’s better to keep their heads below the parapet for a while at least?
Any chance, considering how public opinion appears to be swinging against them at the moment, that that’s why it’s a bit quiet at the moment?
I think public opinion is important to them for two reasons.
Firstly, they need public support to keep the fund topped up.
Secondly, I think that any defence or attempt to avoid returning to Portugal in the event any charges actually get laid, would be based on them claiming that they would not have a fair trial.
I am not a fan of wild conspiracy theories.
Yes, I do belive there are some very real conspiracies around, but some of the more bizarre ones tend to leave me a bit cold. Maybe I’m a bit naeve.
I suspect that there is no major political pressure being applied other than ensuring that correct procedures are followed.
I think the involvement of several high profile figures was purely down to people’s good nature being taken advantage of through fortuitous contacts and in the “heat of the moment”.
In all honesty, if any of us were parents whose child had vanished, or had friends or relatives whose child had vanished, I have little doubt most of us would pull every string we could find, and I think it would reflect extremely poorly on any high profile figure who came across as unreceptive to such a tragedy.
I do think, as PeterO has always so eloquently stated, that the mcc’s and maybe even some of their entourage and family either know or suspect a little more than has been revealed to the rest of us sitting here in the peanut gallery.
We can hypothsize (and I certainly have on several occasions) quite what that knowledge and involvement might be, but I suspect that the reason the case is taking so long to resolve is quite simple.
I suspect that there might well be some substance to the various snippets and rumours about sniffer dogs, bodily fluids etc.
Even so, even if the PJ have confirmed that fluids from a corpse were found in the boot pf the/a car, and in the flat, and even if they have been able to prove that those fluids did come from Madeleine, I would suspect that the problem would then be proving exactly who was responsible for that evidence being there.
Imo, that’s where the complexity of the case lies.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
436 Marie Nicholas
You also ask (hypothetically, I presume) whether the children of ALL the Tapas 9 should be placed in foster homes.
I never suggested a foster home for anyone.
Presumably, all the children of the Tapas 9 have decent, non-homicidal relatives or close friends who can care for them until the puzzle of what happened to Madeleine is solved.
But the real question behind what you wrote is whether all the children of the Tapas 9 are in danger.
My answer to you is that I believe ALL the children of the Tapas 9 are in greater danger of being killed (intentionally or accidentally) or greivously harmed than other children whose parents are not suspected of murder/homicide/abuse/bad acts/neglect. ALL these children are definitely at greater risk for being harmed and/or abused. this is my opinion. But it also a function of logic.
Until these people fully divulge what really happened that night, or perhaps earlier, on that fateful vacation, all these children remain in danger above and beyond what you’d consider the norm. Something the children remember, something that jars their memory, something that they overhear from their parents or find secreted in their homes, some piece of the puzzle falling into place, may one day place ANY or ALL of these children in great danger.
so yes, they are ALL at increased risk of physical harm, in my opinion.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Nite birdie
February 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
nite all - have a good evening
February 5th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
459
Julie Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
#
457
Lone Pigeon Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Don’t worry - i’ll take my time
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My kinda birdie
hahahaha
February 5th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
436 Marie Nichols
Moroever, the parents are named suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, which police definitely consider now to be a possible homicide, either accidental or murder.
You don’t need to have the parents convicted of anything to see the very obvious danger that their surviving children are in.
What saves the twins from immediate harm, I believe, is the fact that they are very, very young, cannot communicate or understand fully what they’ve seen and heard (yet), and so present no threat to the parents.
One day, this may change.
If you think this is something the McCanns will never discuss again, and the twins will never overhear anything implicating their parents, or find, say, an incriminating scrap of clothing or blanket or any kind of evidence, then and only then can you talk about safety.
But we know this is not practical.
So it is my opinion that yes, the twins remain in grave danger of physical harm, and this danger will increase as they grow older and become more aware of their surroundings and unique situation. Can they be trusted to keep the dark family secrets? Can they be trusted to always obey their parents?
sometimes it works. Often, it doesn’t. It is a real risk, in my opinion.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
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457
Lone Pigeon Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Don’t worry - i’ll take my time
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My kinda birdie
February 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
436 Marie Nicholas
A child alive is far better off than a child not alive, no matter how big and lovely their family house may be.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
456
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
not too fast now aye
Don’t worry - i’ll take my time
February 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
not too fast now aye
February 5th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
454
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
February 5th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
lone pigeon
My eggs are ready for karona
I’M COMING
February 5th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
lone pigeon
My eggs are ready for karona
February 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Goodnight everyone
I have things to flip
February 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
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February 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
444 MikeSA
Thanks for your opinion.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
man on the hill
Thats the best teacher to be
February 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Mrs pigeon aka brandon F Says:
man on the hill
“Are you a teacher?”
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Only to my children. I make music.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Mike SA
Whaow. I missed all of that with Sledgehammer and am now intriged!