Madeleine McCann: Tabloid Columnists On Harry Potter, Frtizl And Bile
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to the columnists’ views on Madeleine McCann and family:
JANE MOORE (Sun): “Silence is not an option for the McCanns”
“Just suppose little Madeleine is trapped in a cellar somewhere, hidden from view while her warped captor conducts a seemingly normal life upstairs.”
Like Elisabeth Frtizl? It’s Tabloid Bingo. Eye down…
LORRAINE KELLY (Sun): “They deserve sympathy, not condemnation”
Since my daughter Rosie was a baby, she has always come everywhere with us when we go on holiday, especially to child-friendly countries such as Portugal, Spain and Greece. We wouldn’t have dreamed about leaving her behind to go for a meal because we go away to spend as much time as possible together as a family.
JON GAUNT (Sun): “I have little support for them”
Do you remember when you put your first baby to bed with a listening monitor and sat downstairs watching the box almost with subtitles on so you could hear every heartbeat?
If you heard an unexpected cough or belch you would sprint up the stairs faster than druggy Dwain Chambers on steroids to check on your little angel. That’s called parenting, isn’t it?
I wonder if the McCanns were as casual with their passports and valuables when they went out at night because as far as I am concerned there is nothing more precious than your child and they appear to have had scant regard for their safety.
ALLISON PEARSON (Mail): “The McCann campaign must NOT go on for ever”
Since May 3 last year, how many parents have mentally run the “Maddie safety test|” before daring to turn away from their children even for a moment? That may be her lasting legacy and our greatest burden.
Still, my small boy is not satisfied. “Maddie” is the big story of his childhood, bigger even than Harry Potter and infinitely more disturbing.
Harry Potter is Madeleine McCann? It’s all just stories. Any others?
There is a fascination in a momentary mistake that can never be undone, no matter how much a mother persecutes herself. In Greek tragedy, Antigone, the daughter of King Oedipus, cannot rest until she has recovered the body of her brother after his death in battle and given it a proper burial. One suffering leads to another. And there is some of that obsession, and that remorselessness, in the case of the McCanns.
But:
Do the two doctors really deserve two whole hours of prime-time when so many other people’s kids are lost and thousands are dying in Zimbabwe? Even those, like me, who have never doubted Gerry and Kate’s innocence must feel a flinch of unease.
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April 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Hypothetically, I am Marie of Roumania…
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Is there a complex there too? Blimey!
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Alas, I must confess to being Antigonised by your comments…
April 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Transparent then?
April 30th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
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Lone Pigeon Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is no grey area. None whatsoever.
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More white eh?
Nope…it’s clearer than that…
April 30th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Hypothetically, I am Marie of Roumania…
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Is there a complex there too? Blimey!
April 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
473 Gandolf - did Amaral request neglect charges?
But Kate’s statement to ITV Documentary said that Amaral accused her of accidentally killing her daughter. That’s not neglect charges where I come from.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
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Gandolf Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
For criminal neglect, there must be evidence that it was ‘wilful’, which in this context means deliberate or reckless.Although there is no definable threshold for when a minor neglectful act becomesa criminal offence, each single incident must be examined in the context of other acts or omissions and the possibility of a criminal offence should be considered.There will be occasions when the issue is one of poor parenting and/or lack ofknowledge of the carer rather than a deliberate and wilful act.
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In their case,it was wilful…after having talked for 2 long minutes over their “childcare” arrangement..It was reckless,it is a criminal offence and being treated as such.A blatant failure at GOOD parenting
You are trying to find excuses for the neglect,thus,admiting it
April 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
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Lone Pigeon Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is no grey area. None whatsoever.
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More white eh?
April 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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Gandolf Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
What you or I think is irrelevant LP, it is what the prosecutor thinks that counts, and he did not think he had enough for neglect charges, as requested by Insp. Amaral.
He must think he’s got enough for something else then eh gandolf.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
What you or I think is irrelevant LP, it is what the prosecutor thinks that counts, and he did not think he had enough for neglect charges, as requested by Insp. Amaral.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
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Salomon ES Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Garth 457 - erm… it looks like lots of people think that the McCanns lie. Which is very unfair because they clearly don’t.
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There is also a lot of people who think they tell truths. And your point is………..
April 30th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Chenier
Ooh you little booga you.
But granted, I led you up the garden path on that one.
Anyway, i am well aware of the fact that no baby ‘listening’ service at that particular complex was provided. However, im speaking hypothetically, i.e…………. if it had happened in another MW resort where a baby ‘listening’ service was and is provided.
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Hypothetically, I am Marie of Roumania…
April 30th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is no grey area. None whatsoever.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
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Lone Pigeon Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
466
Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Thanks Gandolf
Thats what i’ve been trying to say!
Yeah, but you can’t can you? You can’t quite grasp it….
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Not quite my man. Im showing the ‘grey’ area for what it is. You on the other hand dont seem to be able to graps that!
April 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Thanks Gandolf
Thats what i’ve been trying to say!
Yeah, but you can’t can you? You can’t quite grasp it….
April 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
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Gandolf Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
For criminal neglect, there must be evidence that it was ‘wilful’, which in this context means deliberate or reckless.Although there is no definable threshold for when a minor neglectful act becomesa criminal offence, each single incident must be examined in the context of other acts or omissions and the possibility of a criminal offence should be considered.There will be occasions when the issue is one of poor parenting and/or lack ofknowledge of the carer rather than a deliberate and wilful act.
I think leaving them for more than one night is pretty wilful - don’t you?
April 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
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Gandolf Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
For criminal neglect, there must be evidence that it was ‘wilful’, which in this context means deliberate or reckless.Although there is no definable threshold for when a minor neglectful act becomesa criminal offence, each single incident must be examined in the context of other acts or omissions and the possibility of a criminal offence should be considered.There will be occasions when the issue is one of poor parenting and/or lack ofknowledge of the carer rather than a deliberate and wilful act.
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Thanks Gandolf
Thats what i’ve been trying to say!
April 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Chenier
Ooh you little booga you.
But granted, I led you up the garden path on that one.
Anyway, i am well aware of the fact that no baby ‘listening’ service at that particular complex was provided. However, im speaking hypothetically, i.e…………. if it had happened in another MW resort where a baby ‘listening’ service was and is provided.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
For criminal neglect, there must be evidence that it was ‘wilful’, which in this context means deliberate or reckless.Although there is no definable threshold for when a minor neglectful act becomesa criminal offence, each single incident must be examined in the context of other acts or omissions and the possibility of a criminal offence should be considered.There will be occasions when the issue is one of poor parenting and/or lack ofknowledge of the carer rather than a deliberate and wilful act.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
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jo Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
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It means that he’s a prat.
His disgraceful comment in the Mail about ‘child pornography’ simply demonstrates that the guy shoots his mouth off about subjects he is appallingly ignorant on.
Attempting to climb on board yet another bandwagon…
April 30th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
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Salomon
April 30th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Garth 457 - erm… it looks like lots of people think that the McCanns lie. Which is very unfair because they clearly don’t.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Chenier wrote
“Garth, the offence which we are discussing is causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable adult. Death is an indispensible requirement.”
Exactly, so how do y ou know she died? Because to bring a charge about due to the reasons you have given unfortunately proof is necessary. The discussion is pointless.
“And if Madeleine had been in the creche nothing would have happened to her…”
I could have sworn i said ‘baby listening’ service!
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Garth, your memory is getting ever shorter; you said:
‘Would it have made you feel better if the ‘baby sitting’ service provided by the MW complex had been undertaken?’
And you wouldn’t have said ‘baby listening’ service because, as a well-informed individual, you would have been aware that there was no baby listening service at PDL.
As were the McCanns.
As for the ’show me the body’ bit, I suggest that you take the opportunity offered by the transcripts of 197,745 criminal trials held at London’s central criminal court and run a search looking for cases where no body was found…
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/
April 30th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Justine McGuiness
“Gerry is presentable and single-minded, an alpha male to his fingertips. Indeed, I expect even he would admit that his manner may have rubbed some of the Portuguese police up the wrong way at times.”
What does this actually mean?
An alpha man? A womanizer?
An arrogant b…,trying to play “macho” with the PJ?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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Salomon ES Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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Ah right! So as a result of the points you make then it is obvious to a blind man that the McCanns are lying.
i get your point!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Chenier wrote
“Garth, the offence which we are discussing is causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable adult. Death is an indispensible requirement.”
Exactly, so how do y ou know she died? Because to bring a charge about due to the reasons you have given unfortunately proof is necessary. The discussion is pointless.
“And if Madeleine had been in the creche nothing would have happened to her…”
I could have sworn i said ‘baby listening’ service!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
val Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 9:20 am
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1314472,00.html Edit/…
My question would be ” Don”t you feel embarassed that your Celebrity status is
solely due to neglecting your children”s safety and welfare”.
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Excellent question, Val! The programme may be designed for them to accumulate all viewpoints in order to be prepared if matters go to Court.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
go folks
Garth will be on the blower to Rothley Towers calling for back up…..
April 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
448 Garth - no evidence that the McCanns are lying whatsoever.
They have just confessed that they abandoned their children - and that in many people’s moral judgement and indeed interpretation of portuguese law that is wrong and maybe a criminal act. Not saying they’re lying, just saying that they are negligent that’s all.
There’s also that bit when they said that they would be willing to cooperate fully with the portuguese police - they then change their mind and decide not to go to Portugal unless the reconstruction is broadcast live on the BBC. They had a change of minds - fair enough… happens… not saying they lied.
Oh….wait… there’s also that bit when they say that they wouldn’t leave portugal without Madeleine… but they did didn’t they? End of holidays all that… not saying they lie, just had a change of heart - fair enough.
What about using the money to pay the mortgage when they said the money was going to be used to “leave no stone unturned”? Do you remember that one? Think they lied? NO WAY… they didn’t… they just got confused and made an accidental payment to their mortgage bank… they don’t lie. they’re honest people.
And… last but not least… do you remember the bit about taking lie detector tests? I do… but then they didn’t did they? Of course not… didn’t have time.
Garth - i agree with you… what evidence is there that the McCanns are lying? None whatsoever my friend… none whatsoever!!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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chenier
Oh…yes,they did have a 2 minutes discussion
I cant believe Garth carries on believing all this either.Instead,I think he is a born “anarchist”.He has a great hability at being “against” anything,even the most blatant truth. Nor do I believe t believe half a plit second ,he approves leaving small children alone
April 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
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Garth Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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“Well, that would depend on what you define as serious injury. I personally tend to feel that being dead is pretty serious, but you presumably disagree…”
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Enlighten me Chenier………….. have you any proof of your claim?
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“And they didn’t have any babysitting arrangements; that’s the point…”
Would it have made you feel better if the ‘baby sitting’ service provided by the MW complex had been undertaken? Who would you blame then for her disappearance?
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Garth, the offence which we are discussing is causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable adult. Death is an indispensible requirement.
And if Madeleine had been in the creche nothing would have happened to her…